Got two 4X8 sheets of plywood today at Lowes. Making some stacking
shelves for the shop, and had them slice them for me.
Getting them sliced into pieces 11 7/8", figuring about 1/8" for
the cut, would give 7 pieces at 11 7/8" and 1 at slightly wider, per
sheet. Well, that's always the way it worked before. Not today.
Usually they measure each cut individually, and don't use a stop
block. Last time I wound up with one piece at 10 7/8" and one at approx
14", because of doing it this way.
So, this time I insisted on them using a stop block. No prob,
right? Yeah, right.
I watched the guy measure the first cut, it was right on. I
watched him put in the stop block, it was right on. I watched the
pieces get cut. No prob. I looked at the pieces after they were cut.
I couldn't believe it.
The first sheet went well. The second sheet went well. Then I got
to eyballing the pieces. The last cut from the first sheet was about 2
inches narrower than the first 7. OK, I can live with that. Don't know
how it happened, but, I can live with it. But, the last cut from the
second sheet was only about 3 inches wide. I sorta felt like standing
there, using my finger on my lips, and going brrrrrr.
The guy didn't use a clamp on the stop block. He used a spring
clamp. The only thing I can figure is, every time he slid the rest of
the sheet in place, for another cut, he moved the stop block just a bit.
So, now I know to either, let them measure each cut individually, or, if
they use a stop block, to have them use a C clamp on it.
I can use all the pieces, with only a minor bit of extra waste.
That, and the fact that I was already in a hurry, decided me to just go
ahead and take them.
It really amazed me tho. I thought no one was going to screw up
using a stop block. Especially since I was right there watching, and
seeing that it was done right. But, it's like they say, anything that
can be screwed up, will be screwed up, sooner or later. I'm just happy
I can use it as is. I'd have hated standing around in there while they
cut two new sheets, and too even more time.
I can carry full size sheets in my pickup, but it's a real problem
for me anymore, handling a full size sheet, and especially at home, and
setting one up to cut. But, I've been thinking that if I could just get
the sheets into the truck, no prob from there on. I could get them
home, pull them a foot or so out of the truck, and use a saw guide to
slice them to size, right on the tailgate. Maybe rest them on a couple
of pieces of 2X4, so the blade has clearance.
Oh yeah, the guy that cut for me, well, two guys actually, one was
in his 30s, and the other probably somewhere between 25 and 30, no
little teenager. Amazing.
JOAT
If history repeats itself, I should think we can expect the same thing
again.
- Terry Venables
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 25 Sep 2003. Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
Joat, I don't know what size pickup you have but I have a Ranger (and an
S10 before that) I have a "rack" in the bed so i can carry sheet goods
flat, keeps them above the wheel well. I have them load it onto one of
the horizontal carts, unless i have someone with me. from there it is
fairly easy to get it into the truck. When i get it home, I slide it
out part way, support the cutoff with a saw horse and cut with a guide.
the rack helps considerably both in transport and in cutting to
manageable size (accurately).
BRuce
Jack-of-all-trades - JOAT wrote:
> Got two 4X8 sheets of plywood today at Lowes. Making some stacking
> shelves for the shop, and had them slice them for me.
>
> Getting them sliced into pieces 11 7/8", figuring about 1/8" for
> the cut, would give 7 pieces at 11 7/8" and 1 at slightly wider, per
> sheet. Well, that's always the way it worked before. Not today.
>
> Usually they measure each cut individually, and don't use a stop
> block. Last time I wound up with one piece at 10 7/8" and one at approx
> 14", because of doing it this way.
>
> So, this time I insisted on them using a stop block. No prob,
> right? Yeah, right.
>
> I watched the guy measure the first cut, it was right on. I
> watched him put in the stop block, it was right on. I watched the
> pieces get cut. No prob. I looked at the pieces after they were cut.
> I couldn't believe it.
>
> The first sheet went well. The second sheet went well. Then I got
> to eyballing the pieces. The last cut from the first sheet was about 2
> inches narrower than the first 7. OK, I can live with that. Don't know
> how it happened, but, I can live with it. But, the last cut from the
> second sheet was only about 3 inches wide. I sorta felt like standing
> there, using my finger on my lips, and going brrrrrr.
>
> The guy didn't use a clamp on the stop block. He used a spring
> clamp. The only thing I can figure is, every time he slid the rest of
> the sheet in place, for another cut, he moved the stop block just a bit.
> So, now I know to either, let them measure each cut individually, or, if
> they use a stop block, to have them use a C clamp on it.
>
> I can use all the pieces, with only a minor bit of extra waste.
> That, and the fact that I was already in a hurry, decided me to just go
> ahead and take them.
>
> It really amazed me tho. I thought no one was going to screw up
> using a stop block. Especially since I was right there watching, and
> seeing that it was done right. But, it's like they say, anything that
> can be screwed up, will be screwed up, sooner or later. I'm just happy
> I can use it as is. I'd have hated standing around in there while they
> cut two new sheets, and too even more time.
>
> I can carry full size sheets in my pickup, but it's a real problem
> for me anymore, handling a full size sheet, and especially at home, and
> setting one up to cut. But, I've been thinking that if I could just get
> the sheets into the truck, no prob from there on. I could get them
> home, pull them a foot or so out of the truck, and use a saw guide to
> slice them to size, right on the tailgate. Maybe rest them on a couple
> of pieces of 2X4, so the blade has clearance.
>
> Oh yeah, the guy that cut for me, well, two guys actually, one was
> in his 30s, and the other probably somewhere between 25 and 30, no
> little teenager. Amazing.
>
>
> JOAT
> If history repeats itself, I should think we can expect the same thing
> again.
> - Terry Venables
>
> Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
> Web Page Update 25 Sep 2003. Some tunes I like.
> http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
>
--
---
BRuce
I went to Home Depot a little while ago and had a 10ft board cut to 6ft
because that's all I wanted. When I took it to the cashier she measured
it and it was 6ft, 2in long. She pulled out a chart and wanted to charge
me for the extra 2in. I told her that she could take it back to the saw,
not charge me for the 2in or I was leaving and would go to Loews across
the street. She just charged me for the 6ft and that was that.
Peace ~ Sir Edgar
=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8=
=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8=F8
I woul have had them cut each in two. I can handle 2 x 8, but not 4 x 8.
Jack-of-all-trades - JOAT wrote:
> Got two 4X8 sheets of plywood today at Lowes. Making some stacking
> shelves for the shop, and had them slice them for me.
>
> Getting them sliced into pieces 11 7/8", figuring about 1/8" for
> the cut, would give 7 pieces at 11 7/8" and 1 at slightly wider, per
> sheet. Well, that's always the way it worked before. Not today.
>
> Usually they measure each cut individually, and don't use a stop
> block. Last time I wound up with one piece at 10 7/8" and one at approx
> 14", because of doing it this way.
>
> So, this time I insisted on them using a stop block. No prob,
> right? Yeah, right.
>
> I watched the guy measure the first cut, it was right on. I
> watched him put in the stop block, it was right on. I watched the
> pieces get cut. No prob. I looked at the pieces after they were cut.
> I couldn't believe it.
>
> The first sheet went well. The second sheet went well. Then I got
> to eyballing the pieces. The last cut from the first sheet was about 2
> inches narrower than the first 7. OK, I can live with that. Don't know
> how it happened, but, I can live with it. But, the last cut from the
> second sheet was only about 3 inches wide. I sorta felt like standing
> there, using my finger on my lips, and going brrrrrr.
>
> The guy didn't use a clamp on the stop block. He used a spring
> clamp. The only thing I can figure is, every time he slid the rest of
> the sheet in place, for another cut, he moved the stop block just a bit.
> So, now I know to either, let them measure each cut individually, or, if
> they use a stop block, to have them use a C clamp on it.
>
> I can use all the pieces, with only a minor bit of extra waste.
> That, and the fact that I was already in a hurry, decided me to just go
> ahead and take them.
>
> It really amazed me tho. I thought no one was going to screw up
> using a stop block. Especially since I was right there watching, and
> seeing that it was done right. But, it's like they say, anything that
> can be screwed up, will be screwed up, sooner or later. I'm just happy
> I can use it as is. I'd have hated standing around in there while they
> cut two new sheets, and too even more time.
>
> I can carry full size sheets in my pickup, but it's a real problem
> for me anymore, handling a full size sheet, and especially at home, and
> setting one up to cut. But, I've been thinking that if I could just get
> the sheets into the truck, no prob from there on. I could get them
> home, pull them a foot or so out of the truck, and use a saw guide to
> slice them to size, right on the tailgate. Maybe rest them on a couple
> of pieces of 2X4, so the blade has clearance.
>
> Oh yeah, the guy that cut for me, well, two guys actually, one was
> in his 30s, and the other probably somewhere between 25 and 30, no
> little teenager. Amazing.
>
>
> JOAT
> If history repeats itself, I should think we can expect the same thing
> again.
> - Terry Venables
>
> Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
> Web Page Update 25 Sep 2003. Some tunes I like.
> http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
"alexy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >Actually about 1/2 or 5/8" narrower, Grandpa. The sheet started life as
4' x
> >8', then they milled the tongue on the edge. The overall sheet is still
4x8,
> >but when put together with others, they don't cover 4' each. Got caught
on
> >this one myself when we started rebuilding the front porch 2-3 yrs. ago,
had
> >to do some fast re-framing of the floor joists!
> >Nahmie
> >
>
> I think the joists still should be on some divisor of 96, such as 12,
> 16, or 24, since the length of the sheets should be perpendicular to
> the joists. Also, don't pack the tongue and grove too tight, unless
> you enjoy the musicality of a squeaking floor.
> --
> Alex
> Make the obvious change in the return address to reply by email.
True, but in this case the size/layout of the porch floor dictated long
sides parallel to joists.
Nahmie
Jack-of-all-trades - JOAT wrote:
> It really amazed me tho. I thought no one was going to screw up
> using a stop block. Especially since I was right there watching, and
> seeing that it was done right. But, it's like they say, anything that
> can be screwed up, will be screwed up, sooner or later. I'm just happy
> I can use it as is. I'd have hated standing around in there while they
> cut two new sheets, and too even more time.
>
>
JOAT, some people can screw up a wet dream.
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Are you positive that the sheet(s) were 4x8 to start with? I bought
some 3/4" 4x8 (so I thought) plywood T&G for the flooring in my 12x16
shop. Turns out they were 8' long all right, but were not 4' wide,
about 1" narrower. Really pissed me off because I then had a 2" gap
along the 16' side & had to buy another sheet of that shit to fill it
in. Of course I didn't notice it until I'd already liquid nailed and
screwed 2 sheets of the flooring down & layed out the 3rd.
Jack-of-all-trades - JOAT wrote:
> Got two 4X8 sheets of plywood today at Lowes. Making some stacking
> shelves for the shop, and had them slice them for me.
Fri, Sep 26, 2003, 7:38pm (EDT-2) jsdebooATcomcast.net (Grandpa) asks:
Are you positive that the sheet(s) were 4x8 to start with? <snip>
Yes. But wouldn't matter anyway, because both were the same size.
So all the cuts should have came out the same, but didn't.
JOAT
If history repeats itself, I should think we can expect the same thing
again.
- Terry Venables
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 25 Sep 2003. Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
"Grandpa" <jsdebooATcomcast.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Are you positive that the sheet(s) were 4x8 to start with? I bought
> some 3/4" 4x8 (so I thought) plywood T&G for the flooring in my 12x16
> shop. Turns out they were 8' long all right, but were not 4' wide,
> about 1" narrower.
Actually about 1/2 or 5/8" narrower, Grandpa. The sheet started life as 4' x
8', then they milled the tongue on the edge. The overall sheet is still 4x8,
but when put together with others, they don't cover 4' each. Got caught on
this one myself when we started rebuilding the front porch 2-3 yrs. ago, had
to do some fast re-framing of the floor joists!
Nahmie
"Norman D. Crow" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Grandpa" <jsdebooATcomcast.net> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Are you positive that the sheet(s) were 4x8 to start with? I bought
>> some 3/4" 4x8 (so I thought) plywood T&G for the flooring in my 12x16
>> shop. Turns out they were 8' long all right, but were not 4' wide,
>> about 1" narrower.
>
>Actually about 1/2 or 5/8" narrower, Grandpa. The sheet started life as 4' x
>8', then they milled the tongue on the edge. The overall sheet is still 4x8,
>but when put together with others, they don't cover 4' each. Got caught on
>this one myself when we started rebuilding the front porch 2-3 yrs. ago, had
>to do some fast re-framing of the floor joists!
>Nahmie
>
I think the joists still should be on some divisor of 96, such as 12,
16, or 24, since the length of the sheets should be perpendicular to
the joists. Also, don't pack the tongue and grove too tight, unless
you enjoy the musicality of a squeaking floor.
--
Alex
Make the obvious change in the return address to reply by email.
Next time leave 'em. I nearly always come away from Lowes with free ply from
the cut off can.
"Jack-of-all-trades - JOAT" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Got two 4X8 sheets of plywood today at Lowes. Making some stacking
> shelves for the shop, and had them slice them for me.
>
> Getting them sliced into pieces 11 7/8", figuring about 1/8" for
> the cut, would give 7 pieces at 11 7/8" and 1 at slightly wider, per
> sheet. Well, that's always the way it worked before. Not today.
>
> Usually they measure each cut individually, and don't use a stop
> block. Last time I wound up with one piece at 10 7/8" and one at approx
> 14", because of doing it this way.
>
> So, this time I insisted on them using a stop block. No prob,
> right? Yeah, right.
>
> I watched the guy measure the first cut, it was right on. I
> watched him put in the stop block, it was right on. I watched the
> pieces get cut. No prob. I looked at the pieces after they were cut.
> I couldn't believe it.
>
> The first sheet went well. The second sheet went well. Then I got
> to eyballing the pieces. The last cut from the first sheet was about 2
> inches narrower than the first 7. OK, I can live with that. Don't know
> how it happened, but, I can live with it. But, the last cut from the
> second sheet was only about 3 inches wide. I sorta felt like standing
> there, using my finger on my lips, and going brrrrrr.
>
> The guy didn't use a clamp on the stop block. He used a spring
> clamp. The only thing I can figure is, every time he slid the rest of
> the sheet in place, for another cut, he moved the stop block just a bit.
> So, now I know to either, let them measure each cut individually, or, if
> they use a stop block, to have them use a C clamp on it.
>
> I can use all the pieces, with only a minor bit of extra waste.
> That, and the fact that I was already in a hurry, decided me to just go
> ahead and take them.
>
> It really amazed me tho. I thought no one was going to screw up
> using a stop block. Especially since I was right there watching, and
> seeing that it was done right. But, it's like they say, anything that
> can be screwed up, will be screwed up, sooner or later. I'm just happy
> I can use it as is. I'd have hated standing around in there while they
> cut two new sheets, and too even more time.
>
> I can carry full size sheets in my pickup, but it's a real problem
> for me anymore, handling a full size sheet, and especially at home, and
> setting one up to cut. But, I've been thinking that if I could just get
> the sheets into the truck, no prob from there on. I could get them
> home, pull them a foot or so out of the truck, and use a saw guide to
> slice them to size, right on the tailgate. Maybe rest them on a couple
> of pieces of 2X4, so the blade has clearance.
>
> Oh yeah, the guy that cut for me, well, two guys actually, one was
> in his 30s, and the other probably somewhere between 25 and 30, no
> little teenager. Amazing.
>
>
> JOAT
> If history repeats itself, I should think we can expect the same thing
> again.
> - Terry Venables
>
> Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
> Web Page Update 25 Sep 2003. Some tunes I like.
> http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
>
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 01:17:04 GMT, "Tom Whatley"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Next time leave 'em. I nearly always come away from Lowes with free ply from
>the cut off can.
My local Lowes and HD both have "No Precision Cuts" signs posted. You
can still leave 'em, but you will have paid for them.
Barry
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 03:18:22 GMT, B a r r y B u r k e J r .
<[email protected]> wrote:
>My local Lowes and HD both have "No Precision Cuts" signs posted. You
>can still leave 'em, but you will have paid for them.
My plywood dealer (very up-market, but good prices) will happily cut
to any reasonable precision you like, so long as it's during the week
and you phone ahead - which might take a day or two, if they're busy
cutting other jobs. Turn up on a Saturday morning and ask them "just
to rip a sheet in half so it fits in the car", then you'll get within
1/4"
But not clamping a stop block properly is cock-up, not inaccuracy.
--
Smert' spamionam
"Norman D. Crow" <[email protected]> .
>
> True, but in this case the size/layout of the porch floor dictated long
> sides parallel to joists.
> Nahmie
>
>
You do realize the is a reduction in the load carrying ability when it is
used in that manner?
--
Jim in NC