On Wednesday, August 17, 2016 at 7:27:51 PM UTC-4, Swingman wrote:
> On 8/13/2016 7:12 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
>=20
> > The domain name and webhosting are EASY. They're also CHEAP as a
> > business expense goes, ~$5/month for hosting and ~$10 per year for a
> > domain name. (You have to be willing to shop the domain name around,
> > they give you a $10 offer then bump it up to 50 or more the next renewa=
l
> > period. Fortunately, you can rent it for 8-9 years at a time.)
> >
> > What to put on the site, how to put it on the site and look good,
>=20
> Started building business websites with notepad in the early 90's. Fast=
=20
> forward 25 years and in the past two months have re-vamped my wife's=20
> 501(c)(3) business website using SquareSpace:
>=20
> http://www.witr.org/
>=20
> > how not to drive your potential readers away in 5 seconds, etc...
> > those are the hard parts. It will also be the expensive part, but
> > well worth it.
>=20
> Trooth, it is indeed much easier these days, and relatively inexpensive.=
=20
> So far this site has been responsible for increasing her summer music=20
> camp season, as well as the kid's concerts and theater attendance about=
=20
> three fold.
>=20
> And the ability for clients to signup for classes and make donations=20
> online, all without the hassle of site security for commerce/credit=20
> cards etc., has been a surprise to her.
>=20
I like the witr website. The Stripe website (privacy policy) is a=20
different story.
On the witr website "you" (the site owner) say:
"All transactions are secure and encrypted, and we never store your=20
credit card information. Payments are processed through Stripe.=20
Payment information is also governed by Stripe's privacy policy."
I can tell that "you", the site owner, are talking to "me", the person=20
about to enter a bunch of personal and financial information.
However, when I click on the "Stripe's privacy policy" link, the
first line reads:
"Welcome to Stripe!
Stripe (=E2=80=9Cwe=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9Cus=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cour=E2=80=9D=
) developed this service to make it easy for=20
you to accept payments online so you can focus on your own product or=20
service."
OK, so they are not talking to *me*, they are talking to the site owner
who is using their services. What about me? What are the privacy rights=20
and expectations of the visitor to a site that uses the Stripe services?=20
I'll admit that I didn't read every single word of Stripe's Privacy Policy,
but the sections that I did scan sure seem to be addressing the entity
that has the account with them, not the person entering personal informatio=
n
on the account owner's website; information that is going to get passed=20
through to Stripe.
> About time to give her an (large) invoice ... ;)
>=20
Careful...have you run up any debt that she might want to recoup? ;-)
Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> I had 12 rules of life to carve out and the hammer handle broke after
> 10 of them. Never did finish.
I heard you broke all 10 of them when you came down from the mountain and
saw the people worshiping that golden calf.
Puckdropper
Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On 8/13/2016 12:55 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
>> On Mon, 8 Aug 2016 13:36:35 -0700 (PDT)
>> MJ <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> The owner has NEVER ever built a website. Seems he might be
>>> techo-phobic or just not interested in having to maintain a site.
>>> You
>>
>> probably not aware that you can have a website that is free and
>> reliable now
>>
>> may have looked into years ago and saw too much noise
>>
>
> Doubt that free and reliable makes a difference. Still plenty of
> people that see no need for computers and those phones that don't have
> cords any more.
>
> Gota go now. I have to get a new ribbon for my Royal typewriter so I
> can mail a few letters to my friends.
>
>
The domain name and webhosting are EASY. They're also CHEAP as a
business expense goes, ~$5/month for hosting and ~$10 per year for a
domain name. (You have to be willing to shop the domain name around,
they give you a $10 offer then bump it up to 50 or more the next renewal
period. Fortunately, you can rent it for 8-9 years at a time.)
What to put on the site, how to put it on the site and look good, how
not to drive your potential readers away in 5 seconds, etc... those are
the hard parts. It will also be the expensive part, but well worth it.
Puckdropper
On 8/13/2016 7:12 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> On 8/13/2016 12:55 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
>>> On Mon, 8 Aug 2016 13:36:35 -0700 (PDT) MJ <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
[snip]
>> Gota go now. I have to get a new ribbon for my Royal typewriter so
>> I can mail a few letters to my friends.
>>
>>
>
> The domain name and webhosting are EASY. They're also CHEAP as a
> business expense goes, ~$5/month for hosting and ~$10 per year for a
> domain name. (You have to be willing to shop the domain name
> around, they give you a $10 offer then bump it up to 50 or more the
> next renewal period. Fortunately, you can rent it for 8-9 years at a
> time.)
>
> What to put on the site, how to put it on the site and look good,
> how not to drive your potential readers away in 5 seconds, etc...
> those are the hard parts. It will also be the expensive part, but
> well worth it.
There are some very good web hosting outfits that offer excellent
service, pricing and include the cost of your domain in their rates.
They ALL offer low rates for the first block of service and then it goes
up. I am currently using www.greengeeks.com and find them far superior
to three other outfits I've used in the past.
Beware of Globat.com or powweb.com. Both owned by the same parent
company and have unreliable service (IMHO) and jack up their rates after
the initial period - by a lot. They claim you will be paying the "going
rate" after your initial period and I'd be fine with that if it were
true. However, every time I was up for renewal, I'd look at their
current offer where they would say you pay X now but 1.8X when you renew
and the renewal rate they wanted to charge me was more like 2.3X.
I'd complain and they would always adjust it downward to what it should
be. I got tired of their games and the clogs in their mail servers
where email sent from my account might not appear elsewhere for anywhere
from 1 hour to 22 hours and vice versa. Sent them packing and now all
is well.
On 8/13/2016 7:35 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/13/2016 8:01 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
>> Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>>
>>> I had 12 rules of life to carve out and the hammer handle broke after
>>> 10 of them. Never did finish.
>>
>> I heard you broke all 10 of them when you came down from the mountain and
>> saw the people worshiping that golden calf.
>>
>> Puckdropper
>>
>
> I liked that golden calf so much I had it bronzed.
What a waste of good veal!
BTW, wasn't the 11th rule supposed to be "Finish All Projects You
Start"? <g>
On Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 3:25:56 PM UTC-4, Swingman wrote:
> On 8/18/2016 12:42 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>
> > On the witr website "you" (the site owner) say:
> >
> > "All transactions are secure and encrypted, and we never store your
> > credit card information. Payments are processed through Stripe.
> > Payment information is also governed by Stripe's privacy policy."
>
> Nope, nowhere _on the witr website_ do you see those words above. Here
> is what is actually said, snipped for brvity:
>
> "Alternately, the Donate Button ..snip.. will allow you to make a
> convenient, simple, secure, and encrypted online donation via credit
> card (no data is stored on our servers)."
>
> Which is the factual and actual truth.
You are correct, I did not notice the major change in the url after
the second Donate button was pressed. My error.
>
> Take a look at the change in address bar when you click on the Donate
> button at the bottom of the Donate page ... you are no longer on the
> website, governed by "http"; but instead have been immediately directed,
> via an "https" connection, to a secure, third party server.
>
> > I can tell that "you", the site owner, are talking to "me", the person
> > about to enter a bunch of personal and financial information.
>
> But, as clearly indicated in words and practice, information entered not
> on the website, but instead via secure connection to a third party website.
>
> > What about me? What are the privacy rights and expectations of the
> > visitor to a site that uses the Stripe services?
>
> Simple ... you have a problem trusting that a secure website due to
> their TOS, don't pull the trigger, send in a check. :)
>
I would but I couldn't fit as many 0's after the 1 as I wanted to so
I said screw it. Maybe when I get more checks I'll send in a bunch of
smaller donations. Please stand by.
On 8/18/2016 12:42 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On the witr website "you" (the site owner) say:
>
> "All transactions are secure and encrypted, and we never store your
> credit card information. Payments are processed through Stripe.
> Payment information is also governed by Stripe's privacy policy."
Nope, nowhere _on the witr website_ do you see those words above. Here
is what is actually said, snipped for brvity:
"Alternately, the Donate Button ..snip.. will allow you to make a
convenient, simple, secure, and encrypted online donation via credit
card (no data is stored on our servers)."
Which is the factual and actual truth.
Take a look at the change in address bar when you click on the Donate
button at the bottom of the Donate page ... you are no longer on the
website, governed by "http"; but instead have been immediately directed,
via an "https" connection, to a secure, third party server.
> I can tell that "you", the site owner, are talking to "me", the person
> about to enter a bunch of personal and financial information.
But, as clearly indicated in words and practice, information entered not
on the website, but instead via secure connection to a third party website.
> What about me? What are the privacy rights and expectations of the
> visitor to a site that uses the Stripe services?
Simple ... you have a problem trusting that a secure website due to
their TOS, don't pull the trigger, send in a check. :)
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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
>
> On 8/13/2016 12:55 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
> > On Mon, 8 Aug 2016 13:36:35 -0700 (PDT)
> > MJ <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> The owner has NEVER ever built a website. Seems he might be
> >> techo-phobic or just not interested in having to maintain a site. You
> >
> > probably not aware that you can have a website that is free and
> > reliable now
> >
> > may have looked into years ago and saw too much noise
> >
>
> Doubt that free and reliable makes a difference. Still plenty of people
> that see no need for computers and those phones that don't have cords
> any more.
>
> Gota go now. I have to get a new ribbon for my Royal typewriter so I
> can mail a few letters to my friends.
In the modern world that is suicide for most businesses.
On 8/13/2016 7:12 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
> The domain name and webhosting are EASY. They're also CHEAP as a
> business expense goes, ~$5/month for hosting and ~$10 per year for a
> domain name. (You have to be willing to shop the domain name around,
> they give you a $10 offer then bump it up to 50 or more the next renewal
> period. Fortunately, you can rent it for 8-9 years at a time.)
>
> What to put on the site, how to put it on the site and look good,
Started building business websites with notepad in the early 90's. Fast
forward 25 years and in the past two months have re-vamped my wife's
501(c)(3) business website using SquareSpace:
http://www.witr.org/
> how not to drive your potential readers away in 5 seconds, etc...
> those are the hard parts. It will also be the expensive part, but
> well worth it.
Trooth, it is indeed much easier these days, and relatively inexpensive.
So far this site has been responsible for increasing her summer music
camp season, as well as the kid's concerts and theater attendance about
three fold.
And the ability for clients to signup for classes and make donations
online, all without the hassle of site security for commerce/credit
cards etc., has been a surprise to her.
About time to give her an (large) invoice ... ;)
--
eWoodShop: www.eWoodShop.com
Wood Shop: www.e-WoodShop.net
https://www.google.com/+eWoodShop
https://plus.google.com/+KarlCaillouet/posts
http://www.custommade.com/by/ewoodshop/
https://www.facebook.com/eWoodShop-206166666122228
KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
On Saturday, August 13, 2016 at 10:44:02 PM UTC-4, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
> On 8/13/2016 7:35 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 8/13/2016 8:01 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
> >> Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote in
> >> news:[email protected]:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> I had 12 rules of life to carve out and the hammer handle broke after
> >>> 10 of them. Never did finish.
> >>
> >> I heard you broke all 10 of them when you came down from the mountain and
> >> saw the people worshiping that golden calf.
> >>
> >> Puckdropper
> >>
> >
> > I liked that golden calf so much I had it bronzed.
>
> What a waste of good veal!
>
> BTW, wasn't the 11th rule supposed to be "Finish All Projects You
> Start"? <g>
Rule 11 Corollary:
The sooner you fall behind, the more time you have to catch up.
On Monday, August 8, 2016 at 1:05:09 PM UTC-7, Electric Comet wrote:
> no doubt this topic has come up here but have not seen a recent thread
>=20
> in my search i do not find a website for iturra design
>=20
> anyone know different
The owner has NEVER ever built a website. Seems he might be techo-phobic or=
just not interested in having to maintain a site. You can request a catalo=
g (yes it's printed!) and you will get one in about month (it seems they on=
ly send them out when they have a print run).=20
Good luck.
MJM
On 8/13/2016 12:55 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Aug 2016 13:36:35 -0700 (PDT)
> MJ <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> The owner has NEVER ever built a website. Seems he might be
>> techo-phobic or just not interested in having to maintain a site. You
>
> probably not aware that you can have a website that is free and
> reliable now
>
> may have looked into years ago and saw too much noise
>
Doubt that free and reliable makes a difference. Still plenty of people
that see no need for computers and those phones that don't have cords
any more.
Gota go now. I have to get a new ribbon for my Royal typewriter so I
can mail a few letters to my friends.
On 8/8/16 2:36 PM, MJ wrote:
> On Monday, August 8, 2016 at 1:05:09 PM UTC-7, Electric Comet wrote:
>> no doubt this topic has come up here but have not seen a recent thread
>>
>> in my search i do not find a website for iturra design
>>
>> anyone know different
>
> The owner has NEVER ever built a website. Seems he might
be techo-phobic or just not interested in having to maintain a site.
You can request a catalog (yes it's printed!) and you will get one in
about month (it seems they only send them out when they have a print run).
>
> Good luck.
>
> MJM
>
Catalog copy (2010) pdf located here:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/25128636/Iturra_Design_catalogue_2010.pdf
On Mon, 8 Aug 2016 13:36:35 -0700 (PDT)
MJ <[email protected]> wrote:
> The owner has NEVER ever built a website. Seems he might be
> techo-phobic or just not interested in having to maintain a site. You
probably not aware that you can have a website that is free and
reliable now
may have looked into years ago and saw too much noise
> can request a catalog (yes it's printed!) and you will get one in
> about month (it seems they only send them out when they have a print
> run).
will have to try to get one of these
On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 14:16:20 -0400
Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
> Doubt that free and reliable makes a difference. Still plenty of
> people that see no need for computers and those phones that don't
> have cords any more.
not only do they see no need but they have a complete lack of trust
and they are correct because pretty much everything is compromised
and only the perception is managed at this point but even apple is
offering bug bounties now
> Gota go now. I have to get a new ribbon for my Royal typewriter so I
> can mail a few letters to my friends.
well my carrier pigeon has a bad wing so i upgraded to a ibm selectric
On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 21:43:58 -0500, Unquestionably Confused
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On 8/13/2016 7:35 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 8/13/2016 8:01 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
>>> Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote in
>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I had 12 rules of life to carve out and the hammer handle broke after
>>>> 10 of them. Never did finish.
>>>
>>> I heard you broke all 10 of them when you came down from the mountain and
>>> saw the people worshiping that golden calf.
>>>
>>> Puckdropper
>>>
>>
>> I liked that golden calf so much I had it bronzed.
>
>What a waste of good veal!
>
>BTW, wasn't the 11th rule supposed to be "Finish All Projects You
>Start"? <g>
>
There's a reason everyone forgot that one. The rest are easy.
On 8/13/2016 1:16 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/13/2016 12:55 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
>> On Mon, 8 Aug 2016 13:36:35 -0700 (PDT)
>> MJ <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> The owner has NEVER ever built a website. Seems he might be
>>> techo-phobic or just not interested in having to maintain a site. You
>>
>> probably not aware that you can have a website that is free and
>> reliable now
>>
>> may have looked into years ago and saw too much noise
>>
>
> Doubt that free and reliable makes a difference. Still plenty of people
> that see no need for computers and those phones that don't have cords
> any more.
>
> Gota go now. I have to get a new ribbon for my Royal typewriter so I
> can mail a few letters to my friends.
>
When did you quit using the hammer and chisel? '~)
On 8/13/2016 2:18 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 8/13/2016 1:16 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 8/13/2016 12:55 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
>>> On Mon, 8 Aug 2016 13:36:35 -0700 (PDT)
>>> MJ <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The owner has NEVER ever built a website. Seems he might be
>>>> techo-phobic or just not interested in having to maintain a site. You
>>>
>>> probably not aware that you can have a website that is free and
>>> reliable now
>>>
>>> may have looked into years ago and saw too much noise
>>>
>>
>> Doubt that free and reliable makes a difference. Still plenty of people
>> that see no need for computers and those phones that don't have cords
>> any more.
>>
>> Gota go now. I have to get a new ribbon for my Royal typewriter so I
>> can mail a few letters to my friends.
>>
>
> When did you quit using the hammer and chisel? '~)
I had 12 rules of life to carve out and the hammer handle broke after 10
of them. Never did finish.
On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 15:59:49 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 8/13/2016 2:18 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 8/13/2016 1:16 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 8/13/2016 12:55 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 8 Aug 2016 13:36:35 -0700 (PDT)
>>>> MJ <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The owner has NEVER ever built a website. Seems he might be
>>>>> techo-phobic or just not interested in having to maintain a site. You
>>>>
>>>> probably not aware that you can have a website that is free and
>>>> reliable now
>>>>
>>>> may have looked into years ago and saw too much noise
>>>>
>>>
>>> Doubt that free and reliable makes a difference. Still plenty of people
>>> that see no need for computers and those phones that don't have cords
>>> any more.
>>>
>>> Gota go now. I have to get a new ribbon for my Royal typewriter so I
>>> can mail a few letters to my friends.
>>>
>>
>> When did you quit using the hammer and chisel? '~)
>
>I had 12 rules of life to carve out and the hammer handle broke after 10
>of them. Never did finish.
Wood burning just plan a
head.
On 8/13/2016 8:01 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>>
>> I had 12 rules of life to carve out and the hammer handle broke after
>> 10 of them. Never did finish.
>
> I heard you broke all 10 of them when you came down from the mountain and
> saw the people worshiping that golden calf.
>
> Puckdropper
>
I liked that golden calf so much I had it bronzed.