"RicodJour" <[email protected]> wroteto use.
>
> Unfortunately I frequently run into odd length cord requirements. I
> only have Imperial cords and a lot of times I find out the location
> that needs power is a metric distance away, so I just make do.
<Chuckle>
What happens when yu need a fraction length cord? Get out the ax or cable
cutters? <g>
--
Jim in NC
On Jan 16, 5:03=A0pm, "Morgans" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "RicodJour" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> > I'm with you for almost all of that, but I use a cord tie to hold the
> > unused coiled cord together by the receptacle so the whole cord
> > doesn't have to be unrolled.
>
> =A0I can buy that. =A0I usually need the whole length, and when I don't, =
I have
> a few shorter cords around to use.
Unfortunately I frequently run into odd length cord requirements. I
only have Imperial cords and a lot of times I find out the location
that needs power is a metric distance away, so I just make do.
R
On Jan 13, 8:55=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> An online tip from WoodSmith
>
> Enjoy
>
> Lew
> ---------------------------http://woodsmithtips.com/l/56e3-124636
I was taught this method on my first day on the job in construction (I
was a plumbers laborer). Every job truck on every job site I saw for
years had cords hanging on the racks just like this. I find it is
great for heavy rubber cords, which we used. Not so much for the stiff
plastic thin cords typically used around the shop.
On Jan 14, 1:10=A0am, Robert Allison <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 1/13/2011 10:55 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>
> > An online tip from WoodSmith
>
> >http://woodsmithtips.com/l/56e3-124636
>
> I have been doing that with all of the extension cords that I carry
> around with me for decades. =A0BUT,...I always start braiding in the
> middle and work toward the ends. =A0That way, if I only need to use 20
> feet of cord, that is all I pull out of the braid. =A0I also mark the
> middle of my cords so that it is easy to remember where to start
> braiding. =A0Once you do it for awhile, the cords will "remember" how to
> go back together and they almost braid themselves.
Hey Bob. Haven't seen you in a while, where've you been?
I've mucked about with various methods, but I never tried one where
you start in the middle. I like that better than the regular looping
method as that pretty much requires you to undo all of the cord every
time. Your method addresses the problem of when you only need to use
a portion of the cord, which for me at least, is a fair bit of the
time, particularly on long cords. But doesn't that leave the
remainder of the looped cord in the middle of the run? If there's
excess I like to have excess cord left by the receptacle so there's
less likelihood of it getting in the way. Is there a way of doing
that with your method? It seems the only way to do that with your
looping method is to pull out double what you need and leave half of
it by the receptacle.
R
On Jan 15, 11:44=A0pm, Robert Allison <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 1/15/2011 10:27 AM, RicodJour wrote:
>
> > Yeah, right, Bob, semi-retired. =A0You're down to what? - 40 hours a
> > week now? =A0;) =A0I didn't know you were a woodworker. =A0I always tho=
ught
> > of you as the big-time industrial dude that was constantly shaking his
> > head at the advice being given on alt.building.construction.
>
> Woodworker, pipefitter. =A0They are amazingly similar in many ways. =A035
> hours a week, now <g>
Only 35...? You must be at loose ends. Maybe you could get a part
time job to fill in. ;)
> >=A0 I think
> > of Bob Morrison frequently. =A0When he died I felt a great loss. =A0Gre=
at
> > guy, great sense of humor and his advice was always spot on and
> > practical. =A0I think his loss was when ABC stopped being a busy group
> > and became a Usenet backwater. =A0A double loss.
>
> I miss Bob, too. =A0I always tried to be as cordial as him, but I wasn't
> nearly as good at it as he was.
I knew better than to even try. He had...what's that word I'm looking
for...? Right, patience. I got shortchanged in that department. I
remember his stories of that bar he used to own. Sounded like a
golden era.
> Good to hear from you Rico.
You, too, Bob. Don't be a stranger.
R
The over under and braiding have all been shown on an episode of fine
home builder tips about 6 -7 mos ago.
I use the over under for my air hoses. Allows me to pull it out easily.
On 1/14/2011 1:03 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 1/13/11 10:55 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>> An online tip from WoodSmith
>>
>> Enjoy
>>
>> Lew
>> ---------------------------
>> http://woodsmithtips.com/l/56e3-124636
>>
>
> This and all the other techniques posted have been tried in the audio
> video world, since we work with very long cable that often contain
> dozens of very small gauge conductors which can make the cable verry
> prone to kinking.
>
> I've like them but they all take up way too much space on the wall. I
> prefer a simple "over/under" loop. Unfortunately, it's near impossible
> for me to do an adequate description of the technique with text. Maybe
> I'll post a video.
>
>
On 1/13/2011 10:55 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> An online tip from WoodSmith
>
> Enjoy
>
> Lew
> ---------------------------
> http://woodsmithtips.com/l/56e3-124636
>
>
I have been doing that with all of the extension cords that I carry
around with me for decades. BUT,...I always start braiding in the
middle and work toward the ends. That way, if I only need to use 20
feet of cord, that is all I pull out of the braid. I also mark the
middle of my cords so that it is easy to remember where to start
braiding. Once you do it for awhile, the cords will "remember" how to
go back together and they almost braid themselves.
Robert Allison
New Braunfels, TX
"Luigi Z. anasi" wrote:
Cool. Better than the method I now use which I learned (you will
appreciate this, Lew) on a sailing trip around Vancouver Island.
-----------------------------
The larger the cord, the better it works.
I can think of a few reasons why it might not be the best on boat a
boat, but might be worth a try.
Lew
"-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote
> On 1/14/11 12:03 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> This and all the other techniques posted have been tried in the audio
>> video world, since we work with very long cable that often contain
>> dozens of very small gauge conductors which can make the cable verry
>> prone to kinking.
>>
>> I've like them but they all take up way too much space on the wall. I
>> prefer a simple "over/under" loop. Unfortunately, it's near impossible
>> for me to do an adequate description of the technique with text. Maybe
>> I'll post a video.
>>
>
> This guy does a decent job of explaining.
> Actually he explains waaaaaaay too much for waaaaaaay too long. :-)
> Fast forward to 1 minute and play....
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-74OEVUOKOw
>
>
> --
>
> -MIKE-
>
When I went to work for the fire department in '53, one of the first things
I was taught was how to coil the "booster hose" aka "ready line" aka "red
line" a relatively stiff 1" ID hose line. "Over/under" works like a charm.
I've used the method ever since for electric cords and air hose.
Max
On 1/14/2011 12:50 PM, RicodJour wrote:
> On Jan 14, 1:10 am, Robert Allison<[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 1/13/2011 10:55 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>>
>>> An online tip from WoodSmith
>>
>>> http://woodsmithtips.com/l/56e3-124636
>>
>> I have been doing that with all of the extension cords that I carry
>> around with me for decades. BUT,...I always start braiding in the
>> middle and work toward the ends. That way, if I only need to use 20
>> feet of cord, that is all I pull out of the braid. I also mark the
>> middle of my cords so that it is easy to remember where to start
>> braiding. Once you do it for awhile, the cords will "remember" how to
>> go back together and they almost braid themselves.
>
> Hey Bob. Haven't seen you in a while, where've you been?
>
> I've mucked about with various methods, but I never tried one where
> you start in the middle. I like that better than the regular looping
> method as that pretty much requires you to undo all of the cord every
> time. Your method addresses the problem of when you only need to use
> a portion of the cord, which for me at least, is a fair bit of the
> time, particularly on long cords. But doesn't that leave the
> remainder of the looped cord in the middle of the run? If there's
> excess I like to have excess cord left by the receptacle so there's
> less likelihood of it getting in the way. Is there a way of doing
> that with your method? It seems the only way to do that with your
> looping method is to pull out double what you need and leave half of
> it by the receptacle.
>
> R
Rico, I have been working industrial stuff for the last three years,
60-70 hours a week. Haven't had much time to post, nor the energy.
Semi=retired now, so plenty of time, though still not much energy.
As far as the cords go, yes you have to leave the extra in the middle,
but if it is in the way, I just undo more or all of it.
As to the previous poster, I have never had any problem with heat or
loss of power due to the braiding left braided. I use 12 ga. or larger
cords almost exclusively, though, so that may help. More expensive, but
I haven't burned up any equipment in the last 25 years or so, so maybe
it has been worth it.
--
--
Robert Allison
New Braunfels, TX
"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote
> Threee days before Tucson, Howard Dean explained that the
> tea party movement is "the last gasp of the generation that
> has trouble with diversity." Rising to the challenge of
> lowering his reputation and the tone of public discourse,
> Dean smeared tea partiers as racists: They oppose Obama's
> agenda, Obama is African-American, ergo...
>
> Let us hope that Dean is the last gasp of the generation
> of liberals whose default position in any argument is to
> indict opponents as racists. This McCarthyism of the left
> -- devoid of intellectual content, unsupported by data --
> is a mental tic, not an idea but a tactic for avoiding
> engagement with ideas. It expresses limitless contempt for
> the American people, who have reciprocated by reducing
> liberalism to its current characteristics of electoral
> weakness and bad sociology. --George Will 14 JAN 2011
> Article titled "Tragedies often spark plenty of analysis"
Yabbut, does either one of them know how to coil a cord?
Max
On 1/15/2011 10:27 AM, RicodJour wrote:
> On Jan 14, 8:06 pm, Robert Allison<[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 1/14/2011 12:50 PM, RicodJour wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jan 14, 1:10 am, Robert Allison<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> On 1/13/2011 10:55 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>>
>>>>> An online tip from WoodSmith
>>
>>>>> http://woodsmithtips.com/l/56e3-124636
>>
>>>> I have been doing that with all of the extension cords that I carry
>>>> around with me for decades. BUT,...I always start braiding in the
>>>> middle and work toward the ends. That way, if I only need to use 20
>>>> feet of cord, that is all I pull out of the braid. I also mark the
>>>> middle of my cords so that it is easy to remember where to start
>>>> braiding. Once you do it for awhile, the cords will "remember" how to
>>>> go back together and they almost braid themselves.
>>
>>> Hey Bob. Haven't seen you in a while, where've you been?
>>
>>> I've mucked about with various methods, but I never tried one where
>>> you start in the middle. I like that better than the regular looping
>>> method as that pretty much requires you to undo all of the cord every
>>> time. Your method addresses the problem of when you only need to use
>>> a portion of the cord, which for me at least, is a fair bit of the
>>> time, particularly on long cords. But doesn't that leave the
>>> remainder of the looped cord in the middle of the run? If there's
>>> excess I like to have excess cord left by the receptacle so there's
>>> less likelihood of it getting in the way. Is there a way of doing
>>> that with your method? It seems the only way to do that with your
>>> looping method is to pull out double what you need and leave half of
>>> it by the receptacle.
>>
>>
>> Rico, I have been working industrial stuff for the last three years,
>> 60-70 hours a week. Haven't had much time to post, nor the energy.
>> Semi=retired now, so plenty of time, though still not much energy.
>
> Yeah, right, Bob, semi-retired. You're down to what? - 40 hours a
> week now? ;) I didn't know you were a woodworker. I always thought
> of you as the big-time industrial dude that was constantly shaking his
> head at the advice being given on alt.building.construction.
Woodworker, pipefitter. They are amazingly similar in many ways. 35
hours a week, now <g>
I think
> of Bob Morrison frequently. When he died I felt a great loss. Great
> guy, great sense of humor and his advice was always spot on and
> practical. I think his loss was when ABC stopped being a busy group
> and became a Usenet backwater. A double loss.
I miss Bob, too. I always tried to be as cordial as him, but I wasn't
nearly as good at it as he was.
>> As far as the cords go, yes you have to leave the extra in the middle,
>> but if it is in the way, I just undo more or all of it.
>>
>> As to the previous poster, I have never had any problem with heat or
>> loss of power due to the braiding left braided. I use 12 ga. or larger
>> cords almost exclusively, though, so that may help. More expensive, but
>> I haven't burned up any equipment in the last 25 years or so, so maybe
>> it has been worth it.
>
> I've never had a problem with the cords creating a problem due to heat
> or power drop. I always use a GFI with a fused plug strip and that
> trips if I'm overextending things. I also make it a point to not buy
> cheap cords, particularly since I live in a climate where it has a
> habit of getting cold in the winter and the cheap cords get stiff.
> The way that copper prices have risen I wonder if there's anyone going
> around scooping up any old extension cord, regardless of condition, at
> yard sales. Come to think of it, maybe my extension cords are my
> retirement fund. ;)
>
> R
Good to hear from you Rico.
--
Robert Allison
New Braunfels, TX
-MIKE- wrote:
>
> This guy does a decent job of explaining.
> Actually he explains waaaaaaay too much for waaaaaaay too long. :-)
> Fast forward to 1 minute and play....
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-74OEVUOKOw
Here's one that actually shows the under of over/under better. I shoot
people if I see them setting up to wrap any of my chords over their arm.
Doesn't matter is it's extension chords or mic chords.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MziOBf60Kn0&feature=related
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 13:23:47 -0800, "Artemus" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> I contractor-cuddle my 12 and 16ga cords now, but am tired of it. I'm
>> thinking about getting one of the round style cordminders.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/4kkogmm These are cheap and look it. Reviews?
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/4dy57zg These are really cheap and break the first
>> time they're dropped with wire on them.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/49hwpfq This may be the type I want, but are they
>> durable? Ten bucks at Wally World.
>
>I have a couple of the Horrible Freight versions of this and they have
>been quite durable and easy to use. My only gripe is that in order to
>get the claimed capacity the cord has to be layered on perfectly like
>thread on a spool. I like Leon's capacity increasers and may make
>some waterproof ones.
Aha, $8.99 at HF might be cheaper than shipping.
http://www.harborfreight.com/150-ft-extension-cord-reel-39343.html
--
Threee days before Tucson, Howard Dean explained that the
tea party movement is "the last gasp of the generation that
has trouble with diversity." Rising to the challenge of
lowering his reputation and the tone of public discourse,
Dean smeared tea partiers as racists: They oppose Obama's
agenda, Obama is African-American, ergo...
Let us hope that Dean is the last gasp of the generation
of liberals whose default position in any argument is to
indict opponents as racists. This McCarthyism of the left
-- devoid of intellectual content, unsupported by data --
is a mental tic, not an idea but a tactic for avoiding
engagement with ideas. It expresses limitless contempt for
the American people, who have reciprocated by reducing
liberalism to its current characteristics of electoral
weakness and bad sociology. --George Will 14 JAN 2011
Article titled "Tragedies often spark plenty of analysis"
On Jan 14, 2:47=A0pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 1/14/11 1:06 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>
> > -MIKE- wrote:
>
> >> This guy does a decent job of explaining.
> >> Actually he explains waaaaaaay too much for waaaaaaay too long. =A0:-)
> >> Fast forward to 1 minute and play....
> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D-74OEVUOKOw
>
> > Here's one that actually shows the under of over/under better. =A0I sho=
ot
> > people if I see them setting up to wrap any of my chords over their arm=
.
> > Doesn't matter is it's extension chords or mic chords.
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DMziOBf60Kn0&feature=3Drelated
>
> I saw that one, Mike, but I couldn't get through 30 secs of that that
> guy. =A0:-)
>
> --
>
> =A0 -MIKE-
>
> =A0 "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
> =A0 =A0 =A0--Elvin Jones =A0(1927-2004)
> =A0 --
> =A0http://mikedrums.com
> =A0 [email protected]
> =A0 ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply
I used to work on tankers during my school years (co-op) and we coiled
our heave lines that way. I used to be able to throw those a long way
without tangles.
I bought a book on knots back then... fascinating those knots... I
still know a few of those which make me a hit at parties...LOL
"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> I contractor-cuddle my 12 and 16ga cords now, but am tired of it. I'm
> thinking about getting one of the round style cordminders.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/4kkogmm These are cheap and look it. Reviews?
I have one of these. They are OK for that cord you NEVER use. They look OK
but tend to be a PIA to use.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/4dy57zg These are really cheap and break the first
> time they're dropped with wire on them.
don't know.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/49hwpfq This may be the type I want, but are they
> durable? Ten bucks at Wally World.
These are GREAT! You hold the black center piece with one hand and wind
with the other.
I have a couple and are are extremely easy to use. Very durable, infact I
modified one to hold a 100' air hose. I adde two MDF rings to the outside
to increase it's capacity. This one is stupid simple and works great. IIRC
HD carries tghem also.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/468bgkv Priced right, free shipping with almost any
> other order from Amazon at the time, and I have a long list there...
> Durablility reviews, anyone?
Probably not as easy to use as the above one.
>
> Cordpro XLs are too expensive and look kinda flimsy. Reviews?
>
> http://tinyurl.com/4l5tlks This one looks great and durable, but it
> only holds half my 12ga cord. Price isn't too bad.
Probably works a lot like the orange one above that is said is OK for the
cord you never use. The trouble with them is that you have to have to set
them down or hold them agains your body so that you can crank them. The
simple on that I raved about above does not have to be held agains a
stationary object to get it to reel in or out your cord.
"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 14:51:32 -0600, "Leon" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>>
>>Pictures!
>>
>>http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/5358178850/#/photos/lcb11211/5358178850/lightbox/
>
> Cool, those look like they have some nylon in 'em for strength.
You are probably right, I have never reallly thought about it. The material
drills and bends like nylon yet gives no hint of being breakable. You could
sling the spool and the extension cord across the yard and it would be no
worse for wear.
>
>
>>http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/5357561891/in/photostream/#/photos/lcb11211/5357561891/in/photostream/lightbox/
>
> Toilet seats? You screwed on toilet seats for extensions?
> Sacre bleu!
No they are perfectly round. LOL. Actually each side is made up of half
round rings and joined with a couple Domino tennons. Made a perfect joint.
>
> Thankee, sir.
"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 21:43:05 -0500, "Morgans"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> An online tip from WoodSmith
>>>
>>> Enjoy
>>
>>I hate that method, with a passion.
>>
>> If any of my workers were to loop my cords like that, If they did it
>> again
>>after I told them not to, I would fire their arse.
>>
>>All that method does, is create lots of random loops for any and all other
>>tools in the van to get tangled up with when either the cord or tool is
>>removed from said van.
>>
>>The more expensive cords are more flexible, and coil neatly, once they are
>>coiled like a rope. If they are rolled the same way every time, they get
>>trained, and are easy to make a neat roll. I start from the female end,
>>and
>>coil it fairly large, with a small twist in each loop to make it lie flat
>>in
>>the coil. The other key is to always unroll the whole cord when putting
>>it
>>to use, so there are no loops to get tangled. Just walk as you unroll it,
>>back and forth, if need be, but uncoil the whole thing before putting it
>>down. A handy tip is to get some of those Velcro straps and put them on
>>the cord right at the end, so they are always with the cord to fasten the
>>coil before hanging it up.
>
> I contractor-cuddle my 12 and 16ga cords now, but am tired of it. I'm
> thinking about getting one of the round style cordminders.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/4kkogmm These are cheap and look it. Reviews?
>
> http://tinyurl.com/4dy57zg These are really cheap and break the first
> time they're dropped with wire on them.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/49hwpfq This may be the type I want, but are they
> durable? Ten bucks at Wally World.
I have had a Bayco KW 130 for near twenty years. Works just fine. It is made
out of a semi flexible plastic that is very durable.
"RicodJour" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> I'm with you for almost all of that, but I use a cord tie to hold the
> unused coiled cord together by the receptacle so the whole cord
> doesn't have to be unrolled.
I can buy that. I usually need the whole length, and when I don't, I have
a few shorter cords around to use.
--
Jim in NC
"Robert Allison" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>
> I have been doing that with all of the extension cords that I carry around
> with me for decades. BUT,...I always start braiding in the middle and
> work toward the ends. That way, if I only need to use 20 feet of cord,
> that is all I pull out of the braid. I also mark the middle of my cords
> so that it is easy to remember where to start braiding. Once you do it
> for awhile, the cords will "remember" how to go back together and they
> almost braid themselves.
>
> Robert Allison
> New Braunfels, TX
FWIW, out door extension cords are often used to cacacity. Even during
normal use they will generate heat and if used in a tangled mess, on a cord
reel, or if they are braded they will generate even more heat if not allowed
to vent/cool in an open/paid out orientation. It is advised that extension
cords not be used unless fully opened or spread out.
"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 10:13:28 -0600, "Leon" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>
>>> I have had a Bayco KW 130 for near twenty years. Works just fine. It is
>>> made out of a semi flexible plastic that is very durable.
>>
>>I will second and third that, I even modified one of mine to hold more.
>
> Thanks for both posts. How did you modify yours without weakening it?
> JPG at 11?
>
I take a picture and post it somewhere, I'll give you a reference.
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> An online tip from WoodSmith
>
> Enjoy
I hate that method, with a passion.
If any of my workers were to loop my cords like that, If they did it again
after I told them not to, I would fire their arse.
All that method does, is create lots of random loops for any and all other
tools in the van to get tangled up with when either the cord or tool is
removed from said van.
The more expensive cords are more flexible, and coil neatly, once they are
coiled like a rope. If they are rolled the same way every time, they get
trained, and are easy to make a neat roll. I start from the female end, and
coil it fairly large, with a small twist in each loop to make it lie flat in
the coil. The other key is to always unroll the whole cord when putting it
to use, so there are no loops to get tangled. Just walk as you unroll it,
back and forth, if need be, but uncoil the whole thing before putting it
down. A handy tip is to get some of those Velcro straps and put them on
the cord right at the end, so they are always with the cord to fasten the
coil before hanging it up.
--
Jim in NC
Buy the cheap ones and once you put some current through them they soften
right up...LOL
"RicodJour" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:d1447aa5-003f-4616-9619-1369eade4b4d@y31g2000vbt.googlegroups.com...
I've never had a problem with the cords creating a problem due to heat
or power drop. I always use a GFI with a fused plug strip and that
trips if I'm overextending things. I also make it a point to not buy
cheap cords, particularly since I live in a climate where it has a
habit of getting cold in the winter and the cheap cords get stiff.
The way that copper prices have risen I wonder if there's anyone going
around scooping up any old extension cord, regardless of condition, at
yard sales. Come to think of it, maybe my extension cords are my
retirement fund. ;)
R
On Jan 13, 8:55=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> An online tip from WoodSmith
>
> Enjoy
>
> Lew
> ---------------------------http://woodsmithtips.com/l/56e3-124636
Cool. Better than the method I now use which I learned (you will
appreciate this, Lew) on a sailing trip around Vancouver Island. The
owner insisted we coiled all ropes and lines the same way he did when
he was mountain climbing, which I think is called a butterfly coil
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DR8X90k5U6vQ). At first I thought: "OK,
it's his boat, so we do it his way." But then I realized that it was
much better than that standard sailor way of flaking a line (http://
www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DPeeOpFwvFoo). The butterfly coil works really
well on extensions also, they don't tangle. And for people in Canadian
banana belt and other climates, there is less of chance of breaking
the extension plastic cover when you uncoil in the cold.
Luigi
On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 14:51:32 -0600, "Leon" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 10:13:28 -0600, "Leon" <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>>> I have had a Bayco KW 130 for near twenty years. Works just fine. It is
>>>>> made out of a semi flexible plastic that is very durable.
>>>>
>>>>I will second and third that, I even modified one of mine to hold more.
>>>
>>> Thanks for both posts. How did you modify yours without weakening it?
>>> JPG at 11?
>>>
>>
>>
>> I take a picture and post it somewhere, I'll give you a reference.
>>
>
>Pictures!
>
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/5358178850/#/photos/lcb11211/5358178850/lightbox/
Cool, those look like they have some nylon in 'em for strength.
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/5357561891/in/photostream/#/photos/lcb11211/5357561891/in/photostream/lightbox/
Toilet seats? You screwed on toilet seats for extensions?
Sacre bleu!
Thankee, sir.
--
Threee days before Tucson, Howard Dean explained that the
tea party movement is "the last gasp of the generation that
has trouble with diversity." Rising to the challenge of
lowering his reputation and the tone of public discourse,
Dean smeared tea partiers as racists: They oppose Obama's
agenda, Obama is African-American, ergo...
Let us hope that Dean is the last gasp of the generation
of liberals whose default position in any argument is to
indict opponents as racists. This McCarthyism of the left
-- devoid of intellectual content, unsupported by data --
is a mental tic, not an idea but a tactic for avoiding
engagement with ideas. It expresses limitless contempt for
the American people, who have reciprocated by reducing
liberalism to its current characteristics of electoral
weakness and bad sociology. --George Will 14 JAN 2011
Article titled "Tragedies often spark plenty of analysis"
On Jan 17, 3:13=A0pm, "Morgans" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "RicodJour" <[email protected]> wroteto use.
>
> > Unfortunately I frequently run into odd length cord requirements. =A0I
> > only have Imperial cords and a lot of times I find out the location
> > that needs power is a metric distance away, so I just make do.
>
> <Chuckle>
>
> What happens when you need a fraction length cord? =A0Get out the ax or c=
able
> cutters? =A0<g>
No. I use my cable stretcher. I used to use my string theory cord,
but last time it swung too close to a singularity, started
superconducting massive amounts of energy into the fourth dimension,
and I had to yank the Festool Domino cord out quickly while it was
still running. Too quickly - bad results. Tunguska...? Yep, that
was me. {sheepish grin}
R
-MIKE- wrote:
>>
>
> I saw that one, Mike, but I couldn't get through 30 secs of that that
> guy. :-)
I know what you mean. The only reason I posted it was because he clearly
showed the under which is what people usually have trouble getting.
--
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On Jan 14, 8:06=A0pm, Robert Allison <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 1/14/2011 12:50 PM, RicodJour wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 14, 1:10 am, Robert Allison<[email protected]> =A0wrote:
> >> On 1/13/2011 10:55 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>
> >>> An online tip from WoodSmith
>
> >>>http://woodsmithtips.com/l/56e3-124636
>
> >> I have been doing that with all of the extension cords that I carry
> >> around with me for decades. =A0BUT,...I always start braiding in the
> >> middle and work toward the ends. =A0That way, if I only need to use 20
> >> feet of cord, that is all I pull out of the braid. =A0I also mark the
> >> middle of my cords so that it is easy to remember where to start
> >> braiding. =A0Once you do it for awhile, the cords will "remember" how =
to
> >> go back together and they almost braid themselves.
>
> > Hey Bob. =A0Haven't seen you in a while, where've you been?
>
> > I've mucked about with various methods, but I never tried one where
> > you start in the middle. =A0I like that better than the regular looping
> > method as that pretty much requires you to undo all of the cord every
> > time. =A0Your method addresses the problem of when you only need to use
> > a portion of the cord, which for me at least, is a fair bit of the
> > time, particularly on long cords. =A0But doesn't that leave the
> > remainder of the looped cord in the middle of the run? =A0If there's
> > excess I like to have excess cord left by the receptacle so there's
> > less likelihood of it getting in the way. =A0Is there a way of doing
> > that with your method? =A0It seems the only way to do that with your
> > looping method is to pull out double what you need and leave half of
> > it by the receptacle.
>
>
> Rico, I have been working industrial stuff for the last three years,
> 60-70 hours a week. =A0Haven't had much time to post, nor the energy.
> Semi=3Dretired now, so plenty of time, though still not much energy.
Yeah, right, Bob, semi-retired. You're down to what? - 40 hours a
week now? ;) I didn't know you were a woodworker. I always thought
of you as the big-time industrial dude that was constantly shaking his
head at the advice being given on alt.building.construction. I think
of Bob Morrison frequently. When he died I felt a great loss. Great
guy, great sense of humor and his advice was always spot on and
practical. I think his loss was when ABC stopped being a busy group
and became a Usenet backwater. A double loss.
> As far as the cords go, yes you have to leave the extra in the middle,
> but if it is in the way, I just undo more or all of it.
>
> As to the previous poster, I have never had any problem with heat or
> loss of power due to the braiding left braided. =A0I use 12 ga. or larger
> cords almost exclusively, though, so that may help. =A0More expensive, bu=
t
> I haven't burned up any equipment in the last 25 years or so, so maybe
> it has been worth it.
I've never had a problem with the cords creating a problem due to heat
or power drop. I always use a GFI with a fused plug strip and that
trips if I'm overextending things. I also make it a point to not buy
cheap cords, particularly since I live in a climate where it has a
habit of getting cold in the winter and the cheap cords get stiff.
The way that copper prices have risen I wonder if there's anyone going
around scooping up any old extension cord, regardless of condition, at
yard sales. Come to think of it, maybe my extension cords are my
retirement fund. ;)
R
On Jan 14, 9:43=A0pm, "Morgans" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > An online tip from WoodSmith
>
> > Enjoy
>
> I hate that method, with a passion.
>
> =A0If any of my workers were to loop my cords like that, If they did it a=
gain
> after I told them not to, I would fire their arse.
>
> All that method does, is create lots of random loops for any and all othe=
r
> tools in the van to get tangled up with when either the cord or tool is
> removed from said van.
>
> The more expensive cords are more flexible, and coil neatly, once they ar=
e
> coiled like a rope. =A0If they are rolled the same way every time, they g=
et
> trained, and are easy to make a neat roll. =A0I start from the female end=
, and
> coil it fairly large, with a small twist in each loop to make it lie flat=
in
> the coil. =A0The other key is to always unroll the whole cord when puttin=
g it
> to use, so there are no loops to get tangled. =A0Just walk as you unroll =
it,
> back and forth, if need be, but uncoil the whole thing before putting it
> down. =A0A handy tip is to get some of those Velcro =A0straps and put the=
m on
> the cord right at the end, so they are always with the cord to fasten the
> coil before hanging it up.
I'm with you for almost all of that, but I use a cord tie to hold the
unused coiled cord together by the receptacle so the whole cord
doesn't have to be unrolled.
R
On 1/13/11 10:55 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> An online tip from WoodSmith
>
> Enjoy
>
> Lew
> ---------------------------
> http://woodsmithtips.com/l/56e3-124636
>
This and all the other techniques posted have been tried in the audio
video world, since we work with very long cable that often contain
dozens of very small gauge conductors which can make the cable verry
prone to kinking.
I've like them but they all take up way too much space on the wall. I
prefer a simple "over/under" loop. Unfortunately, it's near impossible
for me to do an adequate description of the technique with text. Maybe
I'll post a video.
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--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
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On 1/14/11 12:03 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 1/13/11 10:55 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>> An online tip from WoodSmith
>>
>> Enjoy
>>
>> Lew
>> ---------------------------
>> http://woodsmithtips.com/l/56e3-124636
>>
>
> This and all the other techniques posted have been tried in the audio
> video world, since we work with very long cable that often contain
> dozens of very small gauge conductors which can make the cable verry
> prone to kinking.
>
> I've like them but they all take up way too much space on the wall. I
> prefer a simple "over/under" loop. Unfortunately, it's near impossible
> for me to do an adequate description of the technique with text. Maybe
> I'll post a video.
>
This guy does a decent job of explaining.
Actually he explains waaaaaaay too much for waaaaaaay too long. :-)
Fast forward to 1 minute and play....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-74OEVUOKOw
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On 1/14/11 1:06 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> -MIKE- wrote:
>
>>
>> This guy does a decent job of explaining.
>> Actually he explains waaaaaaay too much for waaaaaaay too long. :-)
>> Fast forward to 1 minute and play....
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-74OEVUOKOw
>
> Here's one that actually shows the under of over/under better. I shoot
> people if I see them setting up to wrap any of my chords over their arm.
> Doesn't matter is it's extension chords or mic chords.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MziOBf60Kn0&feature=related
>
I saw that one, Mike, but I couldn't get through 30 secs of that that
guy. :-)
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--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
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On 1/14/11 5:40 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> -MIKE- wrote:
>
>>>
>>
>> I saw that one, Mike, but I couldn't get through 30 secs of that that
>> guy. :-)
>
> I know what you mean. The only reason I posted it was because he clearly
> showed the under which is what people usually have trouble getting.
>
Yes, he did.
After forcing myself to either watch (with a bong) or fast forward
(since I don't smoke pot) I FF'd and saw it. :-)
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--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
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On 1/15/11 2:51 PM, Leon wrote:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/5358178850/#/photos/lcb11211/5358178850/lightbox/
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/5357561891/in/photostream/#/photos/lcb11211/5357561891/in/photostream/lightbox/
>
Probably increases the mass to make winding a bit easier, too.
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply
"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> I contractor-cuddle my 12 and 16ga cords now, but am tired of it. I'm
> thinking about getting one of the round style cordminders.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/4kkogmm These are cheap and look it. Reviews?
>
> http://tinyurl.com/4dy57zg These are really cheap and break the first
> time they're dropped with wire on them.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/49hwpfq This may be the type I want, but are they
> durable? Ten bucks at Wally World.
I have a couple of the Horrible Freight versions of this and they have
been quite durable and easy to use. My only gripe is that in order to
get the claimed capacity the cord has to be layered on perfectly like
thread on a spool. I like Leon's capacity increasers and may make
some waterproof ones.
Art
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 10:13:28 -0600, "Leon" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>> I have had a Bayco KW 130 for near twenty years. Works just fine. It is
>>>> made out of a semi flexible plastic that is very durable.
>>>
>>>I will second and third that, I even modified one of mine to hold more.
>>
>> Thanks for both posts. How did you modify yours without weakening it?
>> JPG at 11?
>>
>
>
> I take a picture and post it somewhere, I'll give you a reference.
>
Pictures!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/5358178850/#/photos/lcb11211/5358178850/lightbox/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/5357561891/in/photostream/#/photos/lcb11211/5357561891/in/photostream/lightbox/
On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 23:05:18 -0800, "CW" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 21:43:05 -0500, "Morgans"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>> An online tip from WoodSmith
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy
>>>
>>>I hate that method, with a passion.
>>>
>>> If any of my workers were to loop my cords like that, If they did it
>>> again
>>>after I told them not to, I would fire their arse.
>>>
>>>All that method does, is create lots of random loops for any and all other
>>>tools in the van to get tangled up with when either the cord or tool is
>>>removed from said van.
>>>
>>>The more expensive cords are more flexible, and coil neatly, once they are
>>>coiled like a rope. If they are rolled the same way every time, they get
>>>trained, and are easy to make a neat roll. I start from the female end,
>>>and
>>>coil it fairly large, with a small twist in each loop to make it lie flat
>>>in
>>>the coil. The other key is to always unroll the whole cord when putting
>>>it
>>>to use, so there are no loops to get tangled. Just walk as you unroll it,
>>>back and forth, if need be, but uncoil the whole thing before putting it
>>>down. A handy tip is to get some of those Velcro straps and put them on
>>>the cord right at the end, so they are always with the cord to fasten the
>>>coil before hanging it up.
>>
>> I contractor-cuddle my 12 and 16ga cords now, but am tired of it. I'm
>> thinking about getting one of the round style cordminders.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/4kkogmm These are cheap and look it. Reviews?
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/4dy57zg These are really cheap and break the first
>> time they're dropped with wire on them.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/49hwpfq This may be the type I want, but are they
>> durable? Ten bucks at Wally World.
>
>I have had a Bayco KW 130 for near twenty years. Works just fine. It is made
>out of a semi flexible plastic that is very durable.
Thanks, CW. I'll check the local Wally to see if that one's a Bayco.
Geroy's, the seller on Amazon, wants $9.16 apiece to ship $4.45 items.
--
Threee days before Tucson, Howard Dean explained that the
tea party movement is "the last gasp of the generation that
has trouble with diversity." Rising to the challenge of
lowering his reputation and the tone of public discourse,
Dean smeared tea partiers as racists: They oppose Obama's
agenda, Obama is African-American, ergo...
Let us hope that Dean is the last gasp of the generation
of liberals whose default position in any argument is to
indict opponents as racists. This McCarthyism of the left
-- devoid of intellectual content, unsupported by data --
is a mental tic, not an idea but a tactic for avoiding
engagement with ideas. It expresses limitless contempt for
the American people, who have reciprocated by reducing
liberalism to its current characteristics of electoral
weakness and bad sociology. --George Will 14 JAN 2011
Article titled "Tragedies often spark plenty of analysis"
"-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 1/15/11 2:51 PM, Leon wrote:
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/5358178850/#/photos/lcb11211/5358178850/lightbox/
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/5357561891/in/photostream/#/photos/lcb11211/5357561891/in/photostream/lightbox/
>>
>
> Probably increases the mass to make winding a bit easier, too.
Actually the added mass simply makes it heavier. The reel works fine with
the mass of what it is winding.
>
> --
>
> -MIKE-
>
> "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
> --Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
> --
> http://mikedrums.com
> [email protected]
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>
"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 21:43:05 -0500, "Morgans"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>> An online tip from WoodSmith
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy
>>>
>>>I hate that method, with a passion.
>>>
>>> If any of my workers were to loop my cords like that, If they did it
>>> again
>>>after I told them not to, I would fire their arse.
>>>
>>>All that method does, is create lots of random loops for any and all
>>>other
>>>tools in the van to get tangled up with when either the cord or tool is
>>>removed from said van.
>>>
>>>The more expensive cords are more flexible, and coil neatly, once they
>>>are
>>>coiled like a rope. If they are rolled the same way every time, they get
>>>trained, and are easy to make a neat roll. I start from the female end,
>>>and
>>>coil it fairly large, with a small twist in each loop to make it lie flat
>>>in
>>>the coil. The other key is to always unroll the whole cord when putting
>>>it
>>>to use, so there are no loops to get tangled. Just walk as you unroll
>>>it,
>>>back and forth, if need be, but uncoil the whole thing before putting it
>>>down. A handy tip is to get some of those Velcro straps and put them on
>>>the cord right at the end, so they are always with the cord to fasten the
>>>coil before hanging it up.
>>
>> I contractor-cuddle my 12 and 16ga cords now, but am tired of it. I'm
>> thinking about getting one of the round style cordminders.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/4kkogmm These are cheap and look it. Reviews?
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/4dy57zg These are really cheap and break the first
>> time they're dropped with wire on them.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/49hwpfq This may be the type I want, but are they
>> durable? Ten bucks at Wally World.
>
> I have had a Bayco KW 130 for near twenty years. Works just fine. It is
> made out of a semi flexible plastic that is very durable.
I will second and third that, I even modified one of mine to hold more.
On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 10:13:28 -0600, "Leon" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> I have had a Bayco KW 130 for near twenty years. Works just fine. It is
>> made out of a semi flexible plastic that is very durable.
>
>I will second and third that, I even modified one of mine to hold more.
Thanks for both posts. How did you modify yours without weakening it?
JPG at 11?
--
Threee days before Tucson, Howard Dean explained that the
tea party movement is "the last gasp of the generation that
has trouble with diversity." Rising to the challenge of
lowering his reputation and the tone of public discourse,
Dean smeared tea partiers as racists: They oppose Obama's
agenda, Obama is African-American, ergo...
Let us hope that Dean is the last gasp of the generation
of liberals whose default position in any argument is to
indict opponents as racists. This McCarthyism of the left
-- devoid of intellectual content, unsupported by data --
is a mental tic, not an idea but a tactic for avoiding
engagement with ideas. It expresses limitless contempt for
the American people, who have reciprocated by reducing
liberalism to its current characteristics of electoral
weakness and bad sociology. --George Will 14 JAN 2011
Article titled "Tragedies often spark plenty of analysis"
On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 21:43:05 -0500, "Morgans"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> An online tip from WoodSmith
>>
>> Enjoy
>
>I hate that method, with a passion.
>
> If any of my workers were to loop my cords like that, If they did it again
>after I told them not to, I would fire their arse.
>
>All that method does, is create lots of random loops for any and all other
>tools in the van to get tangled up with when either the cord or tool is
>removed from said van.
>
>The more expensive cords are more flexible, and coil neatly, once they are
>coiled like a rope. If they are rolled the same way every time, they get
>trained, and are easy to make a neat roll. I start from the female end, and
>coil it fairly large, with a small twist in each loop to make it lie flat in
>the coil. The other key is to always unroll the whole cord when putting it
>to use, so there are no loops to get tangled. Just walk as you unroll it,
>back and forth, if need be, but uncoil the whole thing before putting it
>down. A handy tip is to get some of those Velcro straps and put them on
>the cord right at the end, so they are always with the cord to fasten the
>coil before hanging it up.
I contractor-cuddle my 12 and 16ga cords now, but am tired of it. I'm
thinking about getting one of the round style cordminders.
http://tinyurl.com/4kkogmm These are cheap and look it. Reviews?
http://tinyurl.com/4dy57zg These are really cheap and break the first
time they're dropped with wire on them.
http://tinyurl.com/49hwpfq This may be the type I want, but are they
durable? Ten bucks at Wally World.
http://tinyurl.com/468bgkv Priced right, free shipping with almost any
other order from Amazon at the time, and I have a long list there...
Durablility reviews, anyone?
Cordpro XLs are too expensive and look kinda flimsy. Reviews?
http://tinyurl.com/4l5tlks This one looks great and durable, but it
only holds half my 12ga cord. Price isn't too bad.
--
Threee days before Tucson, Howard Dean explained that the
tea party movement is "the last gasp of the generation that
has trouble with diversity." Rising to the challenge of
lowering his reputation and the tone of public discourse,
Dean smeared tea partiers as racists: They oppose Obama's
agenda, Obama is African-American, ergo...
Let us hope that Dean is the last gasp of the generation
of liberals whose default position in any argument is to
indict opponents as racists. This McCarthyism of the left
-- devoid of intellectual content, unsupported by data --
is a mental tic, not an idea but a tactic for avoiding
engagement with ideas. It expresses limitless contempt for
the American people, who have reciprocated by reducing
liberalism to its current characteristics of electoral
weakness and bad sociology. --George Will 14 JAN 2011
Article titled "Tragedies often spark plenty of analysis"