At least in the past, FLAME WARS were mainly woodworking related. But
for the most part, name calling and such was kept to a minimum, and
often valuable woodworking information was learned.
Politics, especially polarizing politics doesn't do much in the way of
producing any useful woodworking information and frankly, there are
other news groups dedicated to politics that seem, at least to me, to be
a better place for political exchanges - that go on and on and on and on
and . . .
So - a question.
Why all the plans for Arts & Craft / Greene & Greene / Stickley pieces
in magazines - and NONE on chinese furniture and joinery. There's a
long and
deep pool of joinery and design waiting to be tapped by an editor and I
for one
am awaiting some of that info with great anticipation.
What would you like to see woodworking magazines get into?
charlie b
In article <[email protected]>, charlie b
<[email protected]> wrote:
> At least in the past, FLAME WARS were mainly woodworking related. But
> for the most part, name calling and such was kept to a minimum, and
> often valuable woodworking information was learned.
>
> Politics, especially polarizing politics doesn't do much in the way of
> producing any useful woodworking information and frankly, there are
> other news groups dedicated to politics that seem, at least to me, to be
> a better place for political exchanges - that go on and on and on and on
> and . . .
>
> So - a question.
>
> Why all the plans for Arts & Craft / Greene & Greene / Stickley pieces
> in magazines - and NONE on chinese furniture and joinery. There's a
> long and
> deep pool of joinery and design waiting to be tapped by an editor and I
> for one
> am awaiting some of that info with great anticipation.
>
> What would you like to see woodworking magazines get into?
I've stopped buying any of the magazines, as it's the same old crap
over and over and over...
ANYTHING new or different would be welcome, but how would I know,
having abandoned them?
On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 00:16:00 -0800, the infamous charlie b
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>At least in the past, FLAME WARS were mainly woodworking related. But
>for the most part, name calling and such was kept to a minimum, and
>often valuable woodworking information was learned.
>
>Politics, especially polarizing politics doesn't do much in the way of
>producing any useful woodworking information and frankly, there are
>other news groups dedicated to politics that seem, at least to me, to be
>a better place for political exchanges - that go on and on and on and on
>and . . .
And the chances of those topics moving to the other realms are, what?
Zip, right.
>So - a question.
>
>Why all the plans for Arts & Craft / Greene & Greene / Stickley pieces
>in magazines - and NONE on chinese furniture and joinery. There's a
>long and
>deep pool of joinery and design waiting to be tapped by an editor and I
>for one
>am awaiting some of that info with great anticipation.
I, for one, do not plan on spending 4 years learning and perfecting
Japanese and/or Chinese joinery _just_ so I can make a temple,
Charlie. ;)
>What would you like to see woodworking magazines get into?
Just received the 2nd issue of a 2-year scrip to PopWood for $18 and
I'm enjoying the articles on design. Mo dat, preese. And less
"modern" furniture. And fewer articles on "distressing" furniture.
Oh, gimme more toolmaking, too!
--
Challenges are gifts that force us to search for a new center of gravity.
Don't fight them. Just find a different way to stand.
-- Oprah Winfrey
On Mar 26, 1:16=A0am, charlie b <[email protected]> wrote:
> At least in the past, FLAME WARS were mainly woodworking related. =A0But
> for the most part, name calling and such was kept to a minimum, and
> often valuable woodworking information was learned.
>
> Politics, especially polarizing politics doesn't do much in the way of
> producing any useful woodworking information and frankly, there are
> other news groups dedicated to politics that seem, at least to me, to be
> a better place for political exchanges - that go on and on and on and on
> and . . .
>
> So - a question.
>
> Why all the plans for Arts & Craft / Greene & Greene / Stickley pieces
> in magazines - and NONE on chinese furniture and joinery. =A0There's a
> long and
> deep pool of joinery and design waiting to be tapped by an editor and I
> for one
> am awaiting some of that info with great anticipation.
>
> What would you like to see woodworking magazines get into?
>
> charlie b
Finishing, finishing and finishing, especially coloring. I spend weeks
trying to dial in a color. How can I make a nice warm reddish brown
maple finish? How can I age pine such that it looks natural, etc.
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 02:39:23 -0400, the infamous "Bill"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>"charlie b" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>> What would you like to see woodworking magazines get into?
>>
>> charlie b
>
>
>How many others would like to see luthery in a magazine? I'm already on
>"Stewart MacDonald's" email list, but I think he's preaching to "techs", not
>woodworkers. A mountain dulcimer project may seem interesting to many
>readers and doesn't seem like it would be too difficult. I may make one as
>a gift for my wife.
Yeah, that might be cool. How about a standup bass? No? Violin,
then, please.
--
"Not always right, but never uncertain." --Heinlein
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"charlie b" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> At least in the past, FLAME WARS were mainly woodworking related. But
> for the most part, name calling and such was kept to a minimum, and
> often valuable woodworking information was learned.
>
> Politics, especially polarizing politics doesn't do much in the way of
> producing any useful woodworking information and frankly, there are
> other news groups dedicated to politics that seem, at least to me, to be
> a better place for political exchanges - that go on and on and on and on
> and . . .
>
> So - a question.
>
> Why all the plans for Arts & Craft / Greene & Greene / Stickley pieces
> in magazines - and NONE on chinese furniture and joinery. There's a
> long and
> deep pool of joinery and design waiting to be tapped by an editor and I
> for one
> am awaiting some of that info with great anticipation.
>
> What would you like to see woodworking magazines get into?
>
> charlie b
regarding the chinese joinery... here's the simple way:
http://www.finewoodworking.com/SkillsAndTechniques/SkillsAndTechniquesPDF.aspx?id=2905
And the difficult way:
Demystifying a complex Chinese Joint by Randolph Demercado
It is in Fine WoodWorking issue Sept/Oct 1998 pages 108 to 112 and it is a
double-mitered, dovetail-keyed, mortise and tenon joint.
I have the issue, but can't seem to find the article on FWW online.
jc
"charlie b" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> At least in the past, FLAME WARS were mainly woodworking related. But
> for the most part, name calling and such was kept to a minimum, and
> often valuable woodworking information was learned.
>
> Politics, especially polarizing politics doesn't do much in the way of
> producing any useful woodworking information and frankly, there are
> other news groups dedicated to politics that seem, at least to me, to be
> a better place for political exchanges - that go on and on and on and on
> and . . .
>
> So - a question.
>
> Why all the plans for Arts & Craft / Greene & Greene / Stickley pieces
> in magazines - and NONE on chinese furniture and joinery. There's a
> long and
> deep pool of joinery and design waiting to be tapped by an editor and I
> for one
> am awaiting some of that info with great anticipation.
>
> What would you like to see woodworking magazines get into?
>
> charlie b
Japanese carpentry. Though, if you've seen examples, 'carpentry' does not do
it justice.
More on Tansu would be nice.
And there is all manner of miniature work that does not seem to get
mainstream woodworking media coverage.
charlie b wrote:
> At least in the past, FLAME WARS were mainly woodworking related. But
> for the most part, name calling and such was kept to a minimum, and
> often valuable woodworking information was learned.
>
> Politics, especially polarizing politics doesn't do much in the way of
> producing any useful woodworking information and frankly, there are
> other news groups dedicated to politics that seem, at least to me, to
> be a better place for political exchanges - that go on and on and on
> and on and . . .
>
> So - a question.
>
> Why all the plans for Arts & Craft / Greene & Greene / Stickley pieces
> in magazines - and NONE on chinese furniture and joinery. There's a
> long and
> deep pool of joinery and design waiting to be tapped by an editor and
> I for one
> am awaiting some of that info with great anticipation.
>
> What would you like to see woodworking magazines get into?
>
> charlie b
magazines only print what writers pitch and provide to them. you have to get
the writers involved or it won't happen.
> charlie b wrote:
>> What would you like to see woodworking magazines get into?
>>
>> charlie b
Well, as long as you are asking like that: Luthery (instrument making).
I could submit a photo-essay detailing the washtub-bass I built for my
wife (so don't rule it out by saying the topic is too difficult...lol)!
Of course, the likes of Gibson, Martin, Taylor, et. al. may be
vehemently opposed to my idea. I suspect they have successfully
brain-washed most people into believing that only they are capable of
making musical instruments.
Bill
On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 00:16:00 -0800, charlie b wrote:
> Why all the plans for Arts & Craft / Greene & Greene / Stickley pieces
> in magazines - and NONE on chinese furniture and joinery. There's a
> long and deep pool of joinery and design waiting to be tapped by an
> editor and I for one am awaiting some of that info with great
> anticipation.
I have a several books on joinery, and a few have a little bit on Chinese
joinery. I look at them and think I'm not that good and may well never
be. I suspect that's why you don't see much in the magazines. With few
exceptions, they cater to beginning and intermediate woodworkers, whose
reaction to those joints would probably be worse than mine.
But I did like the suggestion about more on finishing. Especially more
on dyes because they're so much more versatile than stains. More on
shellac, which is a lot tougher finish than most people think. More on
toning to avoid blotching.
I'm glad you brought the subject up. And I vow to respond no more to OT
political posts. At least for a few months :-).
--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
charlie b wrote:
> Why all the plans for Arts & Craft / Greene & Greene / Stickley pieces
> in magazines - and NONE on chinese furniture and joinery. There's a
> long and
> deep pool of joinery and design waiting to be tapped by an editor and I
> for one
> am awaiting some of that info with great anticipation.
>
I agree with some of the others, it's the complexity of much of the
Chinese and Japanese joinery that is frightening to the beginners and
intermediate woodworkers who buy the mags. That joinery takes years to
learn and you have to be very dedicated to perfect it. Western joinery
techniques are faster to learn to do sort of well, and lend themselves
better to machine work. The right types of joints also hold up for as
long as the builder is alive if done well.
That being said, I have read some books on joinery from Asia, and it's
kind of like tool porn, very fun to look at and dream about. I'd like
to see some brave, skilled souls submit their articles to FWW and other
mags.
On another topic, I'd like to see more information on re-use and
recycling in woodworking. We have been depleting our forests of the
best wood for centuries, and now we are running out of just about
everything, but there is still good wood in old furniture. Recycling
wood from buildings is very popular these days, and why not look to old
furniture normally slated for the dump as a source of materials? Even
some of the crappily-built stuff from long ago (and there was a lot!)
has good wood in it. How about ideas on how to re-mill or re-use old
parts? Ideas on removing old finishes safely? How to take apart old
stuff with the least effort and damage? How to save and re-use other
parts and materials? When to re-use, when to discard?
scritch
"charlie b" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> At least in the past, FLAME WARS were mainly woodworking related. But
> for the most part, name calling and such was kept to a minimum, and
> often valuable woodworking information was learned.
>
> Politics, especially polarizing politics doesn't do much in the way of
> producing any useful woodworking information and frankly, there are
> other news groups dedicated to politics that seem, at least to me, to be
> a better place for political exchanges - that go on and on and on and on
> and . . .
>
> So - a question.
>
> Why all the plans for Arts & Craft / Greene & Greene / Stickley pieces
> in magazines - and NONE on chinese furniture and joinery. There's a
> long and
> deep pool of joinery and design waiting to be tapped by an editor and I
> for one
> am awaiting some of that info with great anticipation.
>
> What would you like to see woodworking magazines get into?
>
> charlie b
Here's a couple of magazines I wish were still published:
'Scale Woodcraft' last issues I have are from 1985. Issue to hand has
articles on forming architectural model moldings and how to photograph your
work.
'Maritime Life and Traditions' I think this disappeared around 2000. Issue
at hand contains articles on building a full sized replica of a three-masted
barque built in Quebec in 1845 and an article on constructing model boats.
"charlie b" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> What would you like to see woodworking magazines get into?
>
> charlie b
How many others would like to see luthery in a magazine? I'm already on
"Stewart MacDonald's" email list, but I think he's preaching to "techs", not
woodworkers. A mountain dulcimer project may seem interesting to many
readers and doesn't seem like it would be too difficult. I may make one as
a gift for my wife.
Bill
"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "charlie b" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> What would you like to see woodworking magazines get into?
>>
>> charlie b
>
>
> How many others would like to see luthery in a magazine?
Almost anything would be more interesting than the latest incarnation of the
"perfect bench", "perfect router table", "best table saw jigs", barrister
bookcase, shaker hutch ... well, you get my drift. The magazines all seem to
be on a four year cycle except for the annual router table issue.
> I'm already on "Stewart MacDonald's" email list, but I think he's
> preaching to "techs", not woodworkers. A mountain dulcimer project may
> seem interesting to many readers and doesn't seem like it would be too
> difficult. I may make one as a gift for my wife.
>
> Bill
>
"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 02:39:23 -0400, the infamous "Bill"
> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>>
>>"charlie b" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>
>>> What would you like to see woodworking magazines get into?
>>>
>>> charlie b
>>
>>
>>How many others would like to see luthery in a magazine? I'm already on
>>"Stewart MacDonald's" email list, but I think he's preaching to "techs",
>>not
>>woodworkers. A mountain dulcimer project may seem interesting to many
>>readers and doesn't seem like it would be too difficult. I may make one
>>as
>>a gift for my wife.
>
> Yeah, that might be cool. How about a standup bass? No? Violin,
> then, please.
I am interested in fiddle too..but I don't think it shouldn't be the first
instrument to build (I don't think it should be the first instrument one
learns to play either,
at least not with the DIY approach). Plus, talk about spending more money on
tools...
Whatever intrument was pursued, it may make for good reading--maybe
interesting
listening too!
Bill
>
> --
> "Not always right, but never uncertain." --Heinlein
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On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 08:16:13 -0700 (PDT), the infamous
"SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>On Mar 26, 1:16 am, charlie b <[email protected]> wrote:
>> At least in the past, FLAME WARS were mainly woodworking related. But
>> for the most part, name calling and such was kept to a minimum, and
>> often valuable woodworking information was learned.
>>
>> Politics, especially polarizing politics doesn't do much in the way of
>> producing any useful woodworking information and frankly, there are
>> other news groups dedicated to politics that seem, at least to me, to be
>> a better place for political exchanges - that go on and on and on and on
>> and . . .
>>
>> So - a question.
>>
>> Why all the plans for Arts & Craft / Greene & Greene / Stickley pieces
>> in magazines - and NONE on chinese furniture and joinery. There's a
>> long and
>> deep pool of joinery and design waiting to be tapped by an editor and I
>> for one
>> am awaiting some of that info with great anticipation.
>>
>> What would you like to see woodworking magazines get into?
>>
>> charlie b
>
>Finishing, finishing and finishing, especially coloring. I spend weeks
>trying to dial in a color. How can I make a nice warm reddish brown
>maple finish?
Just traipse down to Homey's Despot and pick up a pint of MinWhacked
RBS, Sonomy. (Proof of what bears do in the woods.)
>How can I age pine such that it looks natural, etc.
Pre- or post-distressed? (Ayieeeeeeeeeeeeee!)
--
"Not always right, but never uncertain." --Heinlein
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On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 00:16:00 -0800, charlie b wrote:
> So - a question.
>
> Why all the plans for Arts & Craft / Greene & Greene / Stickley pieces
> in magazines - and NONE on chinese furniture and joinery. There's a
> long and
> deep pool of joinery and design waiting to be tapped by an editor and I
> for one
> am awaiting some of that info with great anticipation.
>
> What would you like to see woodworking magazines get into?
>
> charlie b
Both the Chinese and the Japanese have some excellent craftsmen that are
doing excellent work with wood. I agree with you Charlie that magazines
in this country should be doing articles and showing us how they do it.
There is enough material there to keep up the articles some time, if not
years.
Paul T.
"SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Mar 26, 1:16 am, charlie b <[email protected]> wrote:
> At least in the past, FLAME WARS were mainly woodworking related. But
> for the most part, name calling and such was kept to a minimum, and
> often valuable woodworking information was learned.
>
> Politics, especially polarizing politics doesn't do much in the way of
> producing any useful woodworking information and frankly, there are
> other news groups dedicated to politics that seem, at least to me, to be
> a better place for political exchanges - that go on and on and on and on
> and . . .
>
> So - a question.
>
> Why all the plans for Arts & Craft / Greene & Greene / Stickley pieces
> in magazines - and NONE on chinese furniture and joinery. There's a
> long and
> deep pool of joinery and design waiting to be tapped by an editor and I
> for one
> am awaiting some of that info with great anticipation.
>
> What would you like to see woodworking magazines get into?
>
> charlie b
Finishing, finishing and finishing, especially coloring. I spend weeks
trying to dial in a color. How can I make a nice warm reddish brown
maple finish? How can I age pine such that it looks natural, etc.
You may have hit on an entirely new magazine idea. Finishing, it often
seems is half (or more) of the work on a piece, so why not have a separate
mag for it. It would be a very specialized magazine, but there are more
specialized ones out there in other fields that seem to do well. Taunton?
How about it?
jc
charlie b wrote:
... snip
>
> Why all the plans for Arts & Craft / Greene & Greene / Stickley pieces
> in magazines - and NONE on chinese furniture and joinery. There's a
> long and
> deep pool of joinery and design waiting to be tapped by an editor and I
> for one
> am awaiting some of that info with great anticipation.
>
> What would you like to see woodworking magazines get into?
>
> charlie b
More on some of the older styles -- Federal, Chippendale, William & Mary,
Queene Ann, etc. Not just the big pieces, but some of the more mundane
things as well. FWW has done a pretty good job of occasionally touching on
those styles.
--
There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage
Rob Leatham
On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 07:42:51 -0700, the infamous Mark & Juanita
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>charlie b wrote:
>
>... snip
>>
>> Why all the plans for Arts & Craft / Greene & Greene / Stickley pieces
>> in magazines - and NONE on chinese furniture and joinery. There's a
>> long and
>> deep pool of joinery and design waiting to be tapped by an editor and I
>> for one
>> am awaiting some of that info with great anticipation.
>>
>> What would you like to see woodworking magazines get into?
>>
>> charlie b
>
> More on some of the older styles -- Federal, Chippendale, William & Mary,
>Queene Ann, etc. Not just the big pieces, but some of the more mundane
>things as well. FWW has done a pretty good job of occasionally touching on
>those styles.
To each their own. That was one reason I didn't renew FWW. Price was
the biggie, though. $35 for half a dozen issues? Ouch.
--
"Not always right, but never uncertain." --Heinlein
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