On 8/29/2010 10:18 AM, Han wrote:
> Robatoy<[email protected]> wrote in news:b7a5c998-8d59-4536-9b5a-
> [email protected]:
>
>> As there are quite a few woodworkers here involved with kitchens,
>> here's a new toy:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wBe3SDCcz8
>
> I like the idea, especially since it doesn't require me to buy new cookware
> such as an induction system.
> Maar, potjandorie, Rob!!
> Where is there more info than the Youtube video? Such as how much and
> where to buy?
It appears "concept only" at this stage of the game.
Although no self respecting coonass would cook on an electric stove,
that one did pique my interest.
After all, we do like cooking gadgets, and that appears to the Mother of
them ALL. ;)
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On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 11:03:52 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 8/29/2010 10:31 AM, Robatoy wrote:
>
>> Once the tooling matrixes and silkscreens are paid for (no biggie IME)
>> they have to be able to sell them. I expect an expensive, but short,
>> honeymoon, then a serious price drop IF the thing even gets out of the
>> gate. You can charge only SO much for 'cool' for only SO long.
>> My guess? $ 3500.00 initially.
>
>Agreed ... but lot's folks don't seem to blink at $3.5k these days for a
>cooktop. Current kitchen job has a 48" Capital gas range being installed
>that is twice that.
The range we're looking at is a bit over $2500 but it'll cost around $1000 to
get gas to it (the propane tank is on the opposite end of the house). We're
debating whether it's worth it, or just stay with an electric range, also
$2500. $3500 isn't out of sight, though I'd be afraid of its reliability
around lightning.
>(I was tempted to send them the video last night to see it "The William"
>might be of interest in lieu of the Capital ... I just want to play with
>it.) ;)
"Swingman" wrote
> >
> AAMOF, I'm picking up the vent liner and motor blower on Monday in
> preparation for building the vent hood cabinet, which is going to be a
> PITA ... I HATE the idea of building a frameless Euro style cabinet
> enclosing that kind of baggage, but it's all the rage, donchaknow!
>
Brings back memories.
I had to install a "replacement" microwave into a cabinet in my last house.
This included the vent and blower for the stove unit below. Supposedly, you
could just pull out the old one and stick in the new one. Perhaps in dreams
that would happen. But not in the real world
The biggest problem was that the vent from the microwave was in a different
location than the old one. I had to build, from sheet metal, a new vent. To
port the new vent to the old hole going out of the wall.
It took about a half hour to pull out the old unit and get the area cleaned
up. It took a whole day of screwing around and fabricating parts with
minimal tooling to get the new unit installed. It was nice when it was all
done. But it was a bitch to install.
I never pay attention to fantasies of "Easy Installs" any more.
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 11:03:52 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 8/29/2010 10:31 AM, Robatoy wrote:
>
>> Once the tooling matrixes and silkscreens are paid for (no biggie IME)
>> they have to be able to sell them. I expect an expensive, but short,
>> honeymoon, then a serious price drop IF the thing even gets out of the
>> gate. You can charge only SO much for 'cool' for only SO long.
>> My guess? $ 3500.00 initially.
I'll bet they're more.
>Agreed ... but lot's folks don't seem to blink at $3.5k these days for a
>cooktop. Current kitchen job has a 48" Capital gas range being installed
>that is twice that.
I blinked heavily when the front office gal at the dentist's office
said she wanted $2,243 to do a root canal, post'n'prep, and porcelain
w/ high noble crown on -one- tooth. My jaw is still bruised.
I may wear a mask and go armed into the next medical office. Two can
play that game, eh? ;)
--
If we attend continually and promptly to the little that we can do,
we shall ere long be surprised to find how little remains that we
cannot do. -- Samuel Butler
On Aug 29, 11:18=A0am, Han <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in news:b7a5c998-8d59-4536-9b5a-
> [email protected]:
>
> > As there are quite a few woodworkers here involved with kitchens,
> > here's a new toy:
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D2wBe3SDCcz8
>
> I like the idea, especially since it doesn't require me to buy new cookwa=
re
> such as an induction system. =A0
> Maar, potjandorie, Rob!! =A0
> Where is there more info than the Youtube video? =A0Such as how much and
> where to buy?
>
> --
> Best regards
> Han
> email address is invalid
Niet zo ongeduldig! Wait 5 years and they will go the way of plasma
TV. The pricing is up against that phenomenon called: "Screw that, too
rich for my blood, a $ 500.00 unit looks just as nice and when do WE
ever need 21 different pots and pans." Or this old chestnut: "Too much
can go wrong."
Once the tooling matrixes and silkscreens are paid for (no biggie IME)
they have to be able to sell them. I expect an expensive, but short,
honeymoon, then a serious price drop IF the thing even gets out of the
gate. You can charge only SO much for 'cool' for only SO long.
My guess? $ 3500.00 initially.
On Aug 29, 4:43=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Swingman" wrote:
> > Although no self respecting coonass would cook on an electric stove,
> > that one did pique my interest.
>
> ---------------------
>
> Same with this buckeye.
>
> Lew
Same with this Canuck.
On Aug 29, 3:35=A0pm, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
> I blinked heavily when the front office gal at the dentist's office
> said she wanted $2,243 to do a root canal, post'n'prep, and porcelain
> w/ high noble crown on -one- tooth.
That would seem a fair price for the oft overlooked Optical/Rectal
severance surgery. You know the one. The surgery that improves one's
shitty outlook?
On 8/29/2010 2:39 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> I hope you have in in writing on the estimates or designer
> conversation letters that you were against internals.
Haven't lived this long being naive, C-less ... everything is spec'ed,
then built to spec ... you be sure and do the same, cher. ;)
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On 8/29/2010 11:43 AM, Han wrote:
> Swingman<[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> On 8/29/2010 10:31 AM, Robatoy wrote:
>>
>>> Once the tooling matrixes and silkscreens are paid for (no biggie IME)
>>> they have to be able to sell them. I expect an expensive, but short,
>>> honeymoon, then a serious price drop IF the thing even gets out of the
>>> gate. You can charge only SO much for 'cool' for only SO long.
>>> My guess? $ 3500.00 initially.
>>
>> Agreed ... but lot's folks don't seem to blink at $3.5k these days for a
>> cooktop. Current kitchen job has a 48" Capital gas range being installed
>> that is twice that.
>>
>> (I was tempted to send them the video last night to see it "The William"
>> might be of interest in lieu of the Capital ... I just want to play with
>> it.) ;)
>
> Go for it, Karl!!
LOL ... it was tempting. But, there have been too many changes on this
job already (there is a high dollar "designer" who's whims must be
appeased, despite the impossibility thereof), and the range is purchased.
AAMOF, I'm picking up the vent liner and motor blower on Monday in
preparation for building the vent hood cabinet, which is going to be a
PITA ... I HATE the idea of building a frameless Euro style cabinet
enclosing that kind of baggage, but it's all the rage, donchaknow!
It's always something ...
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Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in news:b7a5c998-8d59-4536-9b5a-
[email protected]:
> As there are quite a few woodworkers here involved with kitchens,
> here's a new toy:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wBe3SDCcz8
I like the idea, especially since it doesn't require me to buy new cookware
such as an induction system.
Maar, potjandorie, Rob!!
Where is there more info than the Youtube video? Such as how much and
where to buy?
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 16:39:56 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 8/29/2010 2:39 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>
>> I hope you have in in writing on the estimates or designer
>> conversation letters that you were against internals.
>
>Haven't lived this long being naive, C-less ... everything is spec'ed,
>then built to spec ... you be sure and do the same, cher. ;)
You betcha, ma petite. ;)
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If we attend continually and promptly to the little that we can do,
we shall ere long be surprised to find how little remains that we
cannot do. -- Samuel Butler
Steve Turner <[email protected]> wrote in news:i5duhq$2qi$2
@news.eternal-september.org:
> How about a similar concept, but with a honeycomb of little gas burners?
> Probably be a BITCH to clean though...
Gas burners are self cleaning ...
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Han
email address is invalid
Swingman <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On 8/29/2010 10:31 AM, Robatoy wrote:
>
>> Once the tooling matrixes and silkscreens are paid for (no biggie IME)
>> they have to be able to sell them. I expect an expensive, but short,
>> honeymoon, then a serious price drop IF the thing even gets out of the
>> gate. You can charge only SO much for 'cool' for only SO long.
>> My guess? $ 3500.00 initially.
>
> Agreed ... but lot's folks don't seem to blink at $3.5k these days for a
> cooktop. Current kitchen job has a 48" Capital gas range being installed
> that is twice that.
>
> (I was tempted to send them the video last night to see it "The William"
> might be of interest in lieu of the Capital ... I just want to play with
> it.) ;)
Go for it, Karl!!
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Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
Swingman <[email protected]> wrote in news:TKmdnS8rJrE4C-
[email protected]:
> AAMOF, I'm picking up the vent liner and motor blower on Monday in
> preparation for building the vent hood cabinet, which is going to be a
> PITA ... I HATE the idea of building a frameless Euro style cabinet
> enclosing that kind of baggage, but it's all the rage, donchaknow!
In 2002 we redid the kitchen (kitchenlet, since it is really small), and
the GE stove + microwave with exhaust had to be vented by going up in the
cabinet above, then through the ceiling to the outside. We never have
enough real suction there and it's noisy as hell!
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
Swingman <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On 8/29/2010 12:23 PM, Han wrote:
>
>> In 2002 we redid the kitchen (kitchenlet, since it is really small),
>> and the GE stove + microwave with exhaust had to be vented by going
>> up in the cabinet above, then through the ceiling to the outside. We
>> never have enough real suction there and it's noisy as hell!
>
> I fully expect this to be the case with regard to noise, as it is
> 1200cfm inline blower. Wish I had a tape recording of the conversation
> regarding using an exterior blower instead, which the "designer" poo
> poohed. :(
I discussed a different fan (and larger duct) with the coinstruction
artists, but no luck <booh>.
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
On Aug 28, 7:43=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> As there are quite a few woodworkers here involved with kitchens,
> here's a new toy:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D2wBe3SDCcz8
Left me with more questions than answers. Though for that
commercial, they should have spent another $5 and at least finished
the top of the cabinets. (Hint: Look at the top of the cabinet under
the cook-top.)
Allen
On Aug 29, 11:20=A0am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" wrote:
> > As there are quite a few woodworkers here involved with kitchens,
> > here's a new toy:
>
> -----------------------------
> Wonder how do you burn pepper skins?
>
> Lew
I use a Benzomatic hand held burner on a hose off a slightly fatter
tankette of butane.
I hit the pepper from all angles, quickly and evenly. The meat of the
pepper doesn't even stand a chance to warm up much. You can tell when
the skin is burnt when it stops crackling. The burnt skin rinses off
under the tap (which is turned ON...I mention this specifically as
there always a few who take issue with justabout anything in here)
sometimes a potato-cleaning brush makes it go quicker.
I have one of those in my pan drawer specifically for that purpose.
Been doing this for years and years, thousands of peppers.
http://www.bernzomatic.com/products/kits/torch-kits.aspx?prodid=3DTS8000BZK=
C
The pepper then gets sliced into slabettes and quickly/lightly saut=E9ed
in some hot olive oil and put on home-made bread with some course salt
sprinkled on the peppers. Who needs meat? (Okay, *I* do.)
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:b7a5c998-8d59-4536-9b5a-c8fa9555cd8a@x42g2000yqx.googlegroups.com...
> As there are quite a few woodworkers here involved with kitchens,
> here's a new toy:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wBe3SDCcz8
Pretty darn cool.
On 8/29/2010 10:20 AM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Robatoy" wrote:
>
>> As there are quite a few woodworkers here involved with kitchens,
>> here's a new toy:
> -----------------------------
> Wonder how do you burn pepper skins?
>
>
> Lew
We like to crisp up tortillas for our fajitas over an open flame by plopping
them onto a grate over one of the burners on our gas stove and moving them
around and flipping them with a pair of tongs.
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On 8/29/2010 10:29 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 8/29/2010 10:18 AM, Han wrote:
>> Robatoy<[email protected]> wrote in news:b7a5c998-8d59-4536-9b5a-
>> [email protected]:
>>
>>> As there are quite a few woodworkers here involved with kitchens,
>>> here's a new toy:
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wBe3SDCcz8
>>
>> I like the idea, especially since it doesn't require me to buy new cookware
>> such as an induction system.
>> Maar, potjandorie, Rob!!
>> Where is there more info than the Youtube video? Such as how much and
>> where to buy?
>
> It appears "concept only" at this stage of the game.
>
> Although no self respecting coonass would cook on an electric stove, that one
> did pique my interest.
>
> After all, we do like cooking gadgets, and that appears to the Mother of them
> ALL. ;)
How about a similar concept, but with a honeycomb of little gas burners?
Probably be a BITCH to clean though...
--
See Nad. See Nad go. Go Nad!
To reply, eat the taco.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/
Robatoy wrote:
> On Aug 29, 11:20 am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Robatoy" wrote:
>>> As there are quite a few woodworkers here involved with kitchens,
>>> here's a new toy:
>>
>> -----------------------------
>> Wonder how do you burn pepper skins?
>>
>> Lew
>
> I use a Benzomatic hand held burner on a hose off a slightly fatter
> tankette of butane.
> I hit the pepper from all angles, quickly and evenly. The meat of the
> pepper doesn't even stand a chance to warm up much. You can tell when
> the skin is burnt when it stops crackling. The burnt skin rinses off
> under the tap (which is turned ON...I mention this specifically as
> there always a few who take issue with justabout anything in here)
> sometimes a potato-cleaning brush makes it go quicker.
> I have one of those in my pan drawer specifically for that purpose.
> Been doing this for years and years, thousands of peppers.
> http://www.bernzomatic.com/products/kits/torch-kits.aspx?prodid=TS8000BZKC
>
> The pepper then gets sliced into slabettes and quickly/lightly sautéed
> in some hot olive oil and put on home-made bread with some course salt
> sprinkled on the peppers. Who needs meat? (Okay, *I* do.)
Good idea! I bet that would work for removing pin feathers from chickens or
toasting marshmallows.
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 12:34:33 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 8/29/2010 12:23 PM, Han wrote:
>
>> In 2002 we redid the kitchen (kitchenlet, since it is really small), and
>> the GE stove + microwave with exhaust had to be vented by going up in the
>> cabinet above, then through the ceiling to the outside. We never have
>> enough real suction there and it's noisy as hell!
>
>I fully expect this to be the case with regard to noise, as it is
>1200cfm inline blower. Wish I had a tape recording of the conversation
>regarding using an exterior blower instead, which the "designer" poo
>poohed. :(
I hope you have in in writing on the estimates or designer
conversation letters that you were against internals.
--
If we attend continually and promptly to the little that we can do,
we shall ere long be surprised to find how little remains that we
cannot do. -- Samuel Butler
On 8/29/2010 10:31 AM, Robatoy wrote:
> Once the tooling matrixes and silkscreens are paid for (no biggie IME)
> they have to be able to sell them. I expect an expensive, but short,
> honeymoon, then a serious price drop IF the thing even gets out of the
> gate. You can charge only SO much for 'cool' for only SO long.
> My guess? $ 3500.00 initially.
Agreed ... but lot's folks don't seem to blink at $3.5k these days for a
cooktop. Current kitchen job has a 48" Capital gas range being installed
that is twice that.
(I was tempted to send them the video last night to see it "The William"
might be of interest in lieu of the Capital ... I just want to play with
it.) ;)
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"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Aug 29, 11:18 am, Han <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in news:b7a5c998-8d59-4536-9b5a-
> [email protected]:
>
> > As there are quite a few woodworkers here involved with kitchens,
> > here's a new toy:
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wBe3SDCcz8
>
> I like the idea, especially since it doesn't require me to buy new
> cookware
> such as an induction system.
> Maar, potjandorie, Rob!!
> Where is there more info than the Youtube video? Such as how much and
> where to buy?
>
> --
> Best regards
> Han
> email address is invalid
Niet zo ongeduldig! Wait 5 years and they will go the way of plasma
TV. The pricing is up against that phenomenon called: "Screw that, too
rich for my blood, a $ 500.00 unit looks just as nice and when do WE
ever need 21 different pots and pans." Or this old chestnut: "Too much
can go wrong."
Once the tooling matrixes and silkscreens are paid for (no biggie IME)
they have to be able to sell them. I expect an expensive, but short,
honeymoon, then a serious price drop IF the thing even gets out of the
gate. You can charge only SO much for 'cool' for only SO long.
My guess? $ 3500.00 initially.
I think that is probably a good guess.
On Sat, 28 Aug 2010 17:43:29 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:
>As there are quite a few woodworkers here involved with kitchens,
>here's a new toy:
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wBe3SDCcz8
FINALLY: Something which will cost -more- than a Festeringtool!
(but less than a Pagani Zonda)
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If we attend continually and promptly to the little that we can do,
we shall ere long be surprised to find how little remains that we
cannot do. -- Samuel Butler
On 8/29/2010 12:23 PM, Han wrote:
> In 2002 we redid the kitchen (kitchenlet, since it is really small), and
> the GE stove + microwave with exhaust had to be vented by going up in the
> cabinet above, then through the ceiling to the outside. We never have
> enough real suction there and it's noisy as hell!
I fully expect this to be the case with regard to noise, as it is
1200cfm inline blower. Wish I had a tape recording of the conversation
regarding using an exterior blower instead, which the "designer" poo
poohed. :(
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Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)