EC

Electric Comet

05/02/2018 9:11 AM

how to make money on power cords


got a hundred foot power cord and it was cheaper than buying the same
cord in bulk

but it was also two feet short and i bet most people do not measure the
cords they buy


but if you are making and selling cords two feet adds up to more profit




















This topic has 40 replies

CS

Clare Snyder

in reply to Electric Comet on 05/02/2018 9:11 AM

06/02/2018 1:43 PM

On Tue, 6 Feb 2018 09:10:58 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 11:43:08 AM UTC-5, Clare Snyder wrote:
>> On Tue, 6 Feb 2018 04:13:01 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 1:32:01 AM UTC-5, Clare Snyder wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 05 Feb 2018 20:26:15 -0800, pyotr filipivich
>> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Electric Comet <[email protected]> on Mon, 5 Feb 2018
>> >> >09:11:50 -0800 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>got a hundred foot power cord and it was cheaper than buying the same
>> >> >>cord in bulk
>> >> >>
>> >> >>but it was also two feet short and i bet most people do not measure the
>> >> >>cords they buy
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>but if you are making and selling cords two feet adds up to more profit
>> >> >
>> >> > How can you make a profit if you're selling power cords cheaper
>> >> >than bulk cord, and including two endings?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> You are making the cord assembly in China and only inventorying ONE
>> >> part instead of 3. Also, the molded on ends are MUCH simpler and
>> >> cheaper to make than ones you attach. There are no screws, and the
>> >> plastic is molded in one piece, not 2 or 3, with no holes that need
>> >> to be molded in or drilled for assembly screws. It's simply crimp on
>> >> the ends, insert them in a jug in the mold, and inject plastic.
>> >
>> >So it's cheaper to own an injection molding system and all the supplies and maintenance
>> >equipment than to just manufacture the cord itself with no connectors?
>> >
>> >Show me that business plan.
>> You need the injection molding equipment to make the ends to attach
>> to the bulk cord. And you need at least three times as many molds
>> (cap, cover, and retainer) You can usually buy the cable without ends
>> for less than the cable with ends, and virtually ALWAYS can buy the
>> made-upcable forless than the cost of the bulk cable plus ends - which
>> is what I THINK the OP stated.
>>
>> You are just being SNARKY again.
>
>No, I'm not. You responded directly to a question related to making more profit on a cord with
>ends vs. a bulk cord. I too do not see how, all else being equal (length, quality, wire size, price,
>etc.) you can make more profit if you are adding injected molded connectors, the metal prongs,
>etc. as opposed to just selling the bulk cord.


Seeing the OP's last posting, I may have mis-interpreted the original
post.
I see, by his noting "the ends are cut off" he was saying he bought
the made up cord with both ends for less than the cost of just the
cable - not what I read from the initial post.

Then it just comes down to the cost of handling/stocking.

Cheaper to stock packaged goods than handle the
cutting/measuring/dispensing of bulk product and the high "shrinkage"
involved.
The 100 ft or 30 meter cord IS what it IS - unlike bulkcord which can
be mis-measured, misslabeled, etc

CS

Clare Snyder

in reply to Electric Comet on 05/02/2018 9:11 AM

06/02/2018 1:31 AM

On Mon, 05 Feb 2018 20:26:15 -0800, pyotr filipivich
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Electric Comet <[email protected]> on Mon, 5 Feb 2018
>09:11:50 -0800 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>>
>>got a hundred foot power cord and it was cheaper than buying the same
>>cord in bulk
>>
>>but it was also two feet short and i bet most people do not measure the
>>cords they buy
>>
>>
>>but if you are making and selling cords two feet adds up to more profit
>
> How can you make a profit if you're selling power cords cheaper
>than bulk cord, and including two endings?


You are making the cord assembly in China and only inventorying ONE
part instead of 3. Also, the molded on ends are MUCH simpler and
cheaper to make than ones you attach. There are no screws, and the
plastic is molded in one piece, not 2 or 3, with no holes that need
to be molded in or drilled for assembly screws. It's simply crimp on
the ends, insert them in a jug in the mold, and inject plastic.

Ll

Leon

in reply to Electric Comet on 05/02/2018 9:11 AM

06/02/2018 10:27 AM

Scott Lurndal <[email protected]> wrote:
> Bob Davis <[email protected]> writes:
>>>> When it comes to the "world market" the usa is only a flea on a
>> pimple on the ass of the world market.
>>
>> The USA is an enormous buying market to the rest of the world. Many
>> countries would die or be severely crippled without the US market.
>
> Can you name just one of the "many"?
>

Probably Mexico, OPEC is not doing as well these days, Taiwan. Japan?

sS

[email protected] (Scott Lurndal)

in reply to Electric Comet on 05/02/2018 9:11 AM

06/02/2018 7:00 PM

Leon <[email protected]> writes:
>Scott Lurndal <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Bob Davis <[email protected]> writes:
>>>>> When it comes to the "world market" the usa is only a flea on a
>>> pimple on the ass of the world market.
>>>
>>> The USA is an enormous buying market to the rest of the world. Many
>>> countries would die or be severely crippled without the US market.
>>
>> Can you name just one of the "many"?
>>
>
>Probably Mexico,
> OPEC is not doing as well these days,

What hurts Mexico, hurts the USA as well. I'm sure China
would be happy to pick up the slack - they're already the
second largest importer into Mexico after the USA.

https://globaledge.msu.edu/countries/mexico/tradestats

Notice that Mexico imports more POL than
it exports.

> Taiwan. Japan?
>

https://globaledge.msu.edu/countries/japan/tradestats

CS

Clare Snyder

in reply to Electric Comet on 05/02/2018 9:11 AM

05/02/2018 4:03 PM

On Mon, 5 Feb 2018 09:11:50 -0800, Electric Comet
<[email protected]> wrote:

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>got a hundred foot power cord and it was cheaper than buying the same
>cord in bulk
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>but it was also two feet short and i bet most people do not measure the
>cords they buy
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>but if you are making and selling cords two feet adds up to more profit
>
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Your cord was made overseas to international measurements. It was a 30
meter cord, so it was about 18 inches short (94.425 ft)

ONLY the USA still sells "100 ft" cords.
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Dt

DerbyDad03

in reply to Electric Comet on 05/02/2018 9:11 AM

05/02/2018 1:19 PM

On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 4:03:14 PM UTC-5, Clare Snyder wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Feb 2018 09:11:50 -0800, Electric Comet
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >got a hundred foot power cord and it was cheaper than buying the same
> >cord in bulk
> >
> >but it was also two feet short and i bet most people do not measure the
> >cords they buy
> >
> >
> >but if you are making and selling cords two feet adds up to more profit
> >
> >
> >
>
> Your cord was made overseas to international measurements. It was a 30
> meter cord, so it was about 18 inches short (94.425 ft)

I can't believe I'm about to defend EC

30 meters minus 18 inches is 94.425 feet? I think you need to check your math.

>
> ONLY the USA still sells "100 ft" cords.

Which is apparently where he bought it.

Are you saying that a cord labeled as 100 ft in a US store is actually only 30 meters because
of where it was made? So a cord can't be manufactured at 30.48 meters for sale as a 100 ft
cord in a non-metric market? Hint: Yes, they can.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/HDX-100-ft-16-3-Extension-Cord-HD-277-525/100650619

CS

Clare Snyder

in reply to Electric Comet on 05/02/2018 9:11 AM

05/02/2018 9:09 PM

On Mon, 05 Feb 2018 21:28:03 GMT, Puckdropper <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Clare Snyder <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>>
>> You are not, but the rest of the world, including where the cord was
>> made (almost certainly China or one of the lesser Pac Rim countries)
>> is.
>>
>> When it comes to the "world market" the usa is only a flea on a
>> pimple on the ass of the world market.
>
>The US is the one of the few countries that hasn't forced a change to
>metric, and unfortunately I think we're going to have to. I, for one,
>hate the "Is it metric or SAE?" game, the identical sets of tools, the
>almost-but-not-really-the-same screw threads and so on.
>
>In the mean time, I would be in favor of labeling standards/laws that
>indicate the converted/approximated/rounded measurement. In the comet's
>cord example, you'd see the cord labeled as 30m / ~100 ft.
>
>Puckdropper
As it is labelled in Canada.

Usually 30 meters, nominal 100 ft.

Mm

MJ

in reply to Electric Comet on 05/02/2018 9:11 AM

05/02/2018 2:11 PM


> > ONLY the USA still sells "100 ft" cords.
>
> Which is apparently where he bought it.
>
> Are you saying that a cord labeled as 100 ft in a US store is actually only 30 meters because
> of where it was made? So a cord can't be manufactured at 30.48 meters for sale as a 100 ft
> cord in a non-metric market? Hint: Yes, they can.
>
> https://www.homedepot.com/p/HDX-100-ft-16-3-Extension-Cord-HD-277-525/100650619

I did a check on the link. The 100 ft cord is labeled 30.48 meters. When I used a on-line calculator it came out to 100 feet.

If I were EC, I'd contact the seller of his "100 ft" cord. Explain that labeling something that it isn't is against the law. I'd suspect that the seller will refund the money and if he were helpful, he would tell us where he bought the short cable.

MJ

Dt

DerbyDad03

in reply to Electric Comet on 05/02/2018 9:11 AM

06/02/2018 4:13 AM

On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 1:32:01 AM UTC-5, Clare Snyder wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Feb 2018 20:26:15 -0800, pyotr filipivich
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Electric Comet <[email protected]> on Mon, 5 Feb 2018
> >09:11:50 -0800 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
> >>
> >>got a hundred foot power cord and it was cheaper than buying the same
> >>cord in bulk
> >>
> >>but it was also two feet short and i bet most people do not measure the
> >>cords they buy
> >>
> >>
> >>but if you are making and selling cords two feet adds up to more profit
> >
> > How can you make a profit if you're selling power cords cheaper
> >than bulk cord, and including two endings?
>
>
> You are making the cord assembly in China and only inventorying ONE
> part instead of 3. Also, the molded on ends are MUCH simpler and
> cheaper to make than ones you attach. There are no screws, and the
> plastic is molded in one piece, not 2 or 3, with no holes that need
> to be molded in or drilled for assembly screws. It's simply crimp on
> the ends, insert them in a jug in the mold, and inject plastic.

So it's cheaper to own an injection molding system and all the supplies and maintenance
equipment than to just manufacture the cord itself with no connectors?

Show me that business plan.

Dt

DerbyDad03

in reply to Electric Comet on 05/02/2018 9:11 AM

06/02/2018 9:10 AM

On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 11:43:08 AM UTC-5, Clare Snyder wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Feb 2018 04:13:01 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 1:32:01 AM UTC-5, Clare Snyder wrote:
> >> On Mon, 05 Feb 2018 20:26:15 -0800, pyotr filipivich
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Electric Comet <[email protected]> on Mon, 5 Feb 2018
> >> >09:11:50 -0800 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
> >> >>
> >> >>got a hundred foot power cord and it was cheaper than buying the same
> >> >>cord in bulk
> >> >>
> >> >>but it was also two feet short and i bet most people do not measure the
> >> >>cords they buy
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>but if you are making and selling cords two feet adds up to more profit
> >> >
> >> > How can you make a profit if you're selling power cords cheaper
> >> >than bulk cord, and including two endings?
> >>
> >>
> >> You are making the cord assembly in China and only inventorying ONE
> >> part instead of 3. Also, the molded on ends are MUCH simpler and
> >> cheaper to make than ones you attach. There are no screws, and the
> >> plastic is molded in one piece, not 2 or 3, with no holes that need
> >> to be molded in or drilled for assembly screws. It's simply crimp on
> >> the ends, insert them in a jug in the mold, and inject plastic.
> >
> >So it's cheaper to own an injection molding system and all the supplies and maintenance
> >equipment than to just manufacture the cord itself with no connectors?
> >
> >Show me that business plan.
> You need the injection molding equipment to make the ends to attach
> to the bulk cord. And you need at least three times as many molds
> (cap, cover, and retainer) You can usually buy the cable without ends
> for less than the cable with ends, and virtually ALWAYS can buy the
> made-upcable forless than the cost of the bulk cable plus ends - which
> is what I THINK the OP stated.
>
> You are just being SNARKY again.

No, I'm not. You responded directly to a question related to making more profit on a cord with
ends vs. a bulk cord. I too do not see how, all else being equal (length, quality, wire size, price,
etc.) you can make more profit if you are adding injected molded connectors, the metal prongs,
etc. as opposed to just selling the bulk cord.

JC

J. Clarke

in reply to Electric Comet on 05/02/2018 9:11 AM

06/02/2018 11:08 PM

On Tue, 06 Feb 2018 13:43:57 -0500, Clare Snyder <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Tue, 6 Feb 2018 09:10:58 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 11:43:08 AM UTC-5, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>> On Tue, 6 Feb 2018 04:13:01 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 1:32:01 AM UTC-5, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>> >> On Mon, 05 Feb 2018 20:26:15 -0800, pyotr filipivich
>>> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >Electric Comet <[email protected]> on Mon, 5 Feb 2018
>>> >> >09:11:50 -0800 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>got a hundred foot power cord and it was cheaper than buying the same
>>> >> >>cord in bulk
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>but it was also two feet short and i bet most people do not measure the
>>> >> >>cords they buy
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>but if you are making and selling cords two feet adds up to more profit
>>> >> >
>>> >> > How can you make a profit if you're selling power cords cheaper
>>> >> >than bulk cord, and including two endings?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> You are making the cord assembly in China and only inventorying ONE
>>> >> part instead of 3. Also, the molded on ends are MUCH simpler and
>>> >> cheaper to make than ones you attach. There are no screws, and the
>>> >> plastic is molded in one piece, not 2 or 3, with no holes that need
>>> >> to be molded in or drilled for assembly screws. It's simply crimp on
>>> >> the ends, insert them in a jug in the mold, and inject plastic.
>>> >
>>> >So it's cheaper to own an injection molding system and all the supplies and maintenance
>>> >equipment than to just manufacture the cord itself with no connectors?
>>> >
>>> >Show me that business plan.
>>> You need the injection molding equipment to make the ends to attach
>>> to the bulk cord. And you need at least three times as many molds
>>> (cap, cover, and retainer) You can usually buy the cable without ends
>>> for less than the cable with ends, and virtually ALWAYS can buy the
>>> made-upcable forless than the cost of the bulk cable plus ends - which
>>> is what I THINK the OP stated.
>>>
>>> You are just being SNARKY again.
>>
>>No, I'm not. You responded directly to a question related to making more profit on a cord with
>>ends vs. a bulk cord. I too do not see how, all else being equal (length, quality, wire size, price,
>>etc.) you can make more profit if you are adding injected molded connectors, the metal prongs,
>>etc. as opposed to just selling the bulk cord.
>
>
> Seeing the OP's last posting, I may have mis-interpreted the original
>post.
>I see, by his noting "the ends are cut off" he was saying he bought
>the made up cord with both ends for less than the cost of just the
>cable - not what I read from the initial post.
>
> Then it just comes down to the cost of handling/stocking.
>
>Cheaper to stock packaged goods than handle the
>cutting/measuring/dispensing of bulk product and the high "shrinkage"
>involved.
> The 100 ft or 30 meter cord IS what it IS - unlike bulkcord which can
>be mis-measured, misslabeled, etc

Also, is it actually the same quality cable? The extension cords Home
Depot stocks are generally SJTW while the stranded cable they stock is
generally SJOOW, which should stand up to a good deal more abuse.

Mm

MJ

in reply to Electric Comet on 05/02/2018 9:11 AM

05/02/2018 2:17 PM

I apologize, I didn't read your posting clearly. Your right - stores do label as 100 feet as 30.48 (HD) or 30.5 (Loses). In either case, your getting 100 feet. Though with 30,5 meters it's slightly more.

Again, I am sorry I didn't read closely.

MJ

> Are you saying that a cord labeled as 100 ft in a US store is actually only 30 meters because
> of where it was made? So a cord can't be manufactured at 30.48 meters for sale as a 100 ft
> cord in a non-metric market? Hint: Yes, they can.
>
> https://www.homedepot.com/p/HDX-100-ft-16-3-Extension-Cord-HD-277-525/100650619

CS

Clare Snyder

in reply to Electric Comet on 05/02/2018 9:11 AM

05/02/2018 9:10 PM

On Mon, 5 Feb 2018 15:46:06 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

>On 2/5/2018 3:06 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>> On Mon, 5 Feb 2018 10:08:53 -0800, Electric Comet
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 05 Feb 2018 12:21:51 -0500
>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>>> Are you sure that you didn't buy a 30 meter cord, by mistake ?
>>>
>>> yes we are not on the metric system here
>>
>> You are not, but the rest of the world, including where the cord was
>> made (almost certainly China or one of the lesser Pac Rim countries)
>> is.
>>
>> When it comes to the "world market" the usa is only a flea on a
>> pimple on the ass of the world market.
>
>And Canada is a wart on that fleas ass.

Except we are metric, so we don't get swatted.
>
>
>
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>>>
>>>> Do you lay awake at night dreaming up these things ?
>>>
>>> those are mutually exclusive
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

BD

Bob Davis

in reply to Electric Comet on 05/02/2018 9:11 AM

05/02/2018 8:55 PM

>> When it comes to the "world market" the usa is only a flea on a
pimple on the ass of the world market.

The USA is an enormous buying market to the rest of the world. Many countries would die or be severely crippled without the US market.

Ll

Leon

in reply to Electric Comet on 05/02/2018 9:11 AM

05/02/2018 3:38 PM

On 2/5/2018 3:03 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Feb 2018 09:11:50 -0800, Electric Comet
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> got a hundred foot power cord and it was cheaper than buying the same
>> cord in bulk
>>
>> but it was also two feet short and i bet most people do not measure the
>> cords they buy
>>
>>
>> but if you are making and selling cords two feet adds up to more profit
>>
>>
>>
>
> Your cord was made overseas to international measurements. It was a 30
> meter cord, so it was about 18 inches short (94.425 ft)
>
> ONLY the USA still sells "100 ft" cords.
>>

Don't get him started how much the saw mill is making for shorting 2x4's
1/4" on each side.

OR the difference of the donut hole diameter and the hole diameter.

Ll

Leon

in reply to Electric Comet on 05/02/2018 9:11 AM

05/02/2018 3:39 PM

On 2/5/2018 3:18 PM, dpb wrote:
> On 2/5/2018 3:03 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
> ...
>
>> Your cord was made overseas to international measurements. It was a 30
>> meter cord, so it was about 18 inches short (94.425 ft)
>>
>>   ONLY the USA still sells "100 ft" cords.
> ...
> But if it were packaged and labeled in US as 100-ft (and there are any
> number that are), if it isn't actually 100-ft it's a class-action
> lawsuit for an enterprising lawyer...

The cords measure shorter in the winter. ;~)

>
> We don't know where EC obtained said cord; off eBay/Amazon or the like
> with suppliers from everywhere direct and many, if not most, just
> drop-shippers instead of actual trackable businesses, it is quite
> possible it was/is 30 m and the come-on had 100-ft in the title.
>
> I didn't go look just now specifically, but I've seen any number of
> similar things where the one measurement is given with the other in
> parenthesis...which can be either the metric or English first and often
> the same vendor will have both versions so search engine finds it either
> way with the one the search was done for first...
>
> --

Ll

Leon

in reply to Electric Comet on 05/02/2018 9:11 AM

06/02/2018 12:45 PM

On 2/6/2018 10:49 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Feb 2018 10:27:38 -0600, Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Scott Lurndal <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Bob Davis <[email protected]> writes:
>>>>>> When it comes to the "world market" the usa is only a flea on a
>>>> pimple on the ass of the world market.
>>>>
>>>> The USA is an enormous buying market to the rest of the world. Many
>>>> countries would die or be severely crippled without the US market.
>>>
>>> Can you name just one of the "many"?
>>>
>>
>> Probably Mexico, OPEC is not doing as well these days, Taiwan. Japan?
>
> Taiwan and Japan would need to re-adjust - but would survive.
>
> MY point was making "commodity" product special for the USA in
> strictly US measurement units instead of metric often doesn't make any
> sense at all, because in the "world market" the US market is
> insignificant.
>
> With Trump's protectionism, even MORE insignificant.
>
> We have the same problem in Canada, with many suppliers unwilling to
> label in both English and French, meaning their products cannot be
> legally retailed in Canada. This is because our share of the market is
> even more insignificant - but at an importer CAN import and re-label a
> product if the IMPORTER thinks it makes financial sense to do so.
>


Something I have always found odd and just an observation, a lot of
instructions, including some I have seen from Leigh DT Jigs is that many
dimensions are in relatively even inch or fractions of an inch
measurements. Also on the same drawing of instructions are measurements
in hundred's of a mm.

Check out the dimensions on the last page.
https://www.leighjigs.com/data/SPDT%20and%20BJ%20User%20Guide%20Dec8%2015.pdf

I would have thought Leigh would have made holes in even mm's and
converted to a close fraction.

IIRC this is true on some brands of full extension drawer slides.

Pp

Puckdropper

in reply to Electric Comet on 05/02/2018 9:11 AM

05/02/2018 9:28 PM

Clare Snyder <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>
> You are not, but the rest of the world, including where the cord was
> made (almost certainly China or one of the lesser Pac Rim countries)
> is.
>
> When it comes to the "world market" the usa is only a flea on a
> pimple on the ass of the world market.

The US is the one of the few countries that hasn't forced a change to
metric, and unfortunately I think we're going to have to. I, for one,
hate the "Is it metric or SAE?" game, the identical sets of tools, the
almost-but-not-really-the-same screw threads and so on.

In the mean time, I would be in favor of labeling standards/laws that
indicate the converted/approximated/rounded measurement. In the comet's
cord example, you'd see the cord labeled as 30m / ~100 ft.

Puckdropper
--
http://www.puckdroppersplace.us/rec.woodworking
A mini archive of some of rec.woodworking's best and worst!

Ll

Leon

in reply to Electric Comet on 05/02/2018 9:11 AM

05/02/2018 3:46 PM

On 2/5/2018 3:06 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Feb 2018 10:08:53 -0800, Electric Comet
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 05 Feb 2018 12:21:51 -0500
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>> Are you sure that you didn't buy a 30 meter cord, by mistake ?
>>
>> yes we are not on the metric system here
>
> You are not, but the rest of the world, including where the cord was
> made (almost certainly China or one of the lesser Pac Rim countries)
> is.
>
> When it comes to the "world market" the usa is only a flea on a
> pimple on the ass of the world market.

And Canada is a wart on that fleas ass.




>>
>>> Do you lay awake at night dreaming up these things ?
>>
>> those are mutually exclusive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

sS

[email protected] (Scott Lurndal)

in reply to Electric Comet on 05/02/2018 9:11 AM

07/02/2018 2:32 PM

J. Clarke <[email protected]> writes:
>On Tue, 06 Feb 2018 13:43:57 -0500, Clare Snyder <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>

>>
>>Cheaper to stock packaged goods than handle the
>>cutting/measuring/dispensing of bulk product and the high "shrinkage"
>>involved.
>> The 100 ft or 30 meter cord IS what it IS - unlike bulkcord which can
>>be mis-measured, misslabeled, etc
>
>Also, is it actually the same quality cable? The extension cords Home
>Depot stocks are generally SJTW while the stranded cable they stock is
>generally SJOOW, which should stand up to a good deal more abuse.

And, again, the cord manufacturer is buying the wire for perhaps
20% of the retail cost that EC would have paid for bulk wire at the
same hardware store, if it isn't just manufacturing the wire itself.

sS

[email protected] (Scott Lurndal)

in reply to Electric Comet on 05/02/2018 9:11 AM

06/02/2018 1:53 PM

Bob Davis <[email protected]> writes:
>>> When it comes to the "world market" the usa is only a flea on a
>pimple on the ass of the world market.
>
>The USA is an enormous buying market to the rest of the world. Many countries would die or be severely crippled without the US market.

Can you name just one of the "many"?

Dt

DerbyDad03

in reply to Electric Comet on 05/02/2018 9:11 AM

06/02/2018 4:40 AM

On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 11:41:00 PM UTC-5, Clare Snyder wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Feb 2018 19:23:09 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 9:09:58 PM UTC-5, Clare Snyder wrote:
> >> On Mon, 05 Feb 2018 21:28:03 GMT, Puckdropper <[email protected]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Clare Snyder <[email protected]> wrote in
> >> >news:[email protected]:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> You are not, but the rest of the world, including where the cord was
> >> >> made (almost certainly China or one of the lesser Pac Rim countries)
> >> >> is.
> >> >>
> >> >> When it comes to the "world market" the usa is only a flea on a
> >> >> pimple on the ass of the world market.
> >> >
> >> >The US is the one of the few countries that hasn't forced a change to
> >> >metric, and unfortunately I think we're going to have to. I, for one,
> >> >hate the "Is it metric or SAE?" game, the identical sets of tools, the
> >> >almost-but-not-really-the-same screw threads and so on.
> >> >
> >> >In the mean time, I would be in favor of labeling standards/laws that
> >> >indicate the converted/approximated/rounded measurement. In the comet's
> >> >cord example, you'd see the cord labeled as 30m / ~100 ft.
> >> >
> >> >Puckdropper
> >> As it is labelled in Canada.
> >>
> >> Usually 30 meters, nominal 100 ft.
> >
> >Do you have a link that shows that? I provided a US based link that shows both 100 ft and
> >30.48 m, which are equivalent.
> >
> >Do you have one that shows an accurate metric measure and a nominal US measure
> >such as you described?
>
>
> I don't have the label any more, but I bought several cords a few
> years ago that had 15 meter and 30 meter with "nominal 50ft" and
> "Nominal100 ft" in brackets on the label. (or possibly "replaces 100
> ft")
>

I was looking for a link, not a label.

> I believe they were from Princess Auto but may have been from TSC.

PA must have changed their listing methods. They now list their extension in either
exact SAE or exact metric. Apparently no dual labeling. Times change, I guess.

https://www.princessauto.com/en/b/all-seasons/outdoor/electrical/extension-cords/N-81zlwn

Dt

DerbyDad03

in reply to Electric Comet on 05/02/2018 9:11 AM

05/02/2018 7:23 PM

On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 9:09:58 PM UTC-5, Clare Snyder wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Feb 2018 21:28:03 GMT, Puckdropper <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >Clare Snyder <[email protected]> wrote in
> >news:[email protected]:
> >
> >>
> >> You are not, but the rest of the world, including where the cord was
> >> made (almost certainly China or one of the lesser Pac Rim countries)
> >> is.
> >>
> >> When it comes to the "world market" the usa is only a flea on a
> >> pimple on the ass of the world market.
> >
> >The US is the one of the few countries that hasn't forced a change to
> >metric, and unfortunately I think we're going to have to. I, for one,
> >hate the "Is it metric or SAE?" game, the identical sets of tools, the
> >almost-but-not-really-the-same screw threads and so on.
> >
> >In the mean time, I would be in favor of labeling standards/laws that
> >indicate the converted/approximated/rounded measurement. In the comet's
> >cord example, you'd see the cord labeled as 30m / ~100 ft.
> >
> >Puckdropper
> As it is labelled in Canada.
>
> Usually 30 meters, nominal 100 ft.

Do you have a link that shows that? I provided a US based link that shows both 100 ft and
30.48 m, which are equivalent.

Do you have one that shows an accurate metric measure and a nominal US measure
such as you described?

CS

Clare Snyder

in reply to Electric Comet on 05/02/2018 9:11 AM

06/02/2018 11:49 AM

On Tue, 6 Feb 2018 10:27:38 -0600, Leon <[email protected]> wrote:

>Scott Lurndal <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Bob Davis <[email protected]> writes:
>>>>> When it comes to the "world market" the usa is only a flea on a
>>> pimple on the ass of the world market.
>>>
>>> The USA is an enormous buying market to the rest of the world. Many
>>> countries would die or be severely crippled without the US market.
>>
>> Can you name just one of the "many"?
>>
>
>Probably Mexico, OPEC is not doing as well these days, Taiwan. Japan?

Taiwan and Japan would need to re-adjust - but would survive.

MY point was making "commodity" product special for the USA in
strictly US measurement units instead of metric often doesn't make any
sense at all, because in the "world market" the US market is
insignificant.

With Trump's protectionism, even MORE insignificant.

We have the same problem in Canada, with many suppliers unwilling to
label in both English and French, meaning their products cannot be
legally retailed in Canada. This is because our share of the market is
even more insignificant - but at an importer CAN import and re-label a
product if the IMPORTER thinks it makes financial sense to do so.

sS

[email protected] (Scott Lurndal)

in reply to Electric Comet on 05/02/2018 9:11 AM

06/02/2018 1:53 PM

pyotr filipivich <[email protected]> writes:
>Electric Comet <[email protected]> on Mon, 5 Feb 2018
>09:11:50 -0800 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>>
>>got a hundred foot power cord and it was cheaper than buying the same
>>cord in bulk
>>
>>but it was also two feet short and i bet most people do not measure the
>>cords they buy
>>
>>
>>but if you are making and selling cords two feet adds up to more profit
>
> How can you make a profit if you're selling power cords cheaper
>than bulk cord, and including two endings?

Easy. You buy wholesale 1,000,000 feet of wire at 20% the retail cost.

CS

Clare Snyder

in reply to Electric Comet on 05/02/2018 9:11 AM

05/02/2018 4:06 PM

On Mon, 5 Feb 2018 10:08:53 -0800, Electric Comet
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Mon, 05 Feb 2018 12:21:51 -0500
>[email protected] wrote:
>
>> Are you sure that you didn't buy a 30 meter cord, by mistake ?
>
>yes we are not on the metric system here

You are not, but the rest of the world, including where the cord was
made (almost certainly China or one of the lesser Pac Rim countries)
is.

When it comes to the "world market" the usa is only a flea on a
pimple on the ass of the world market.
>
>> Do you lay awake at night dreaming up these things ?
>
>those are mutually exclusive
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

CS

Clare Snyder

in reply to Electric Comet on 05/02/2018 9:11 AM

06/02/2018 11:43 AM

On Tue, 6 Feb 2018 04:13:01 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 1:32:01 AM UTC-5, Clare Snyder wrote:
>> On Mon, 05 Feb 2018 20:26:15 -0800, pyotr filipivich
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >Electric Comet <[email protected]> on Mon, 5 Feb 2018
>> >09:11:50 -0800 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>> >>
>> >>got a hundred foot power cord and it was cheaper than buying the same
>> >>cord in bulk
>> >>
>> >>but it was also two feet short and i bet most people do not measure the
>> >>cords they buy
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>but if you are making and selling cords two feet adds up to more profit
>> >
>> > How can you make a profit if you're selling power cords cheaper
>> >than bulk cord, and including two endings?
>>
>>
>> You are making the cord assembly in China and only inventorying ONE
>> part instead of 3. Also, the molded on ends are MUCH simpler and
>> cheaper to make than ones you attach. There are no screws, and the
>> plastic is molded in one piece, not 2 or 3, with no holes that need
>> to be molded in or drilled for assembly screws. It's simply crimp on
>> the ends, insert them in a jug in the mold, and inject plastic.
>
>So it's cheaper to own an injection molding system and all the supplies and maintenance
>equipment than to just manufacture the cord itself with no connectors?
>
>Show me that business plan.
You need the injection molding equipment to make the ends to attach
to the bulk cord. And you need at least three times as many molds
(cap, cover, and retainer) You can usually buy the cable without ends
for less than the cable with ends, and virtually ALWAYS can buy the
made-upcable forless than the cost of the bulk cable plus ends - which
is what I THINK the OP stated.

You are just being SNARKY again.

h

in reply to Electric Comet on 05/02/2018 9:11 AM

05/02/2018 11:12 PM

>>
>> Usually 30 meters, nominal 100 ft.
>
>Do you have a link that shows that? I provided a US based link that shows both 100 ft and
>30.48 m, which are equivalent.
>
>Do you have one that shows an accurate metric measure and a nominal US measure
>such as you described?


Nope. I see the proper measurements shown on the
Home Depot, Lowes, Home Hardware, CTC web sites.
30 m 98.4 ft.
http://tinyurl.com/ydactkbo
100 ft 30.5 m.
http://tinyurl.com/y933m5uf

pf

pyotr filipivich

in reply to Electric Comet on 05/02/2018 9:11 AM

05/02/2018 8:26 PM

Electric Comet <[email protected]> on Mon, 5 Feb 2018
09:11:50 -0800 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>
>got a hundred foot power cord and it was cheaper than buying the same
>cord in bulk
>
>but it was also two feet short and i bet most people do not measure the
>cords they buy
>
>
>but if you are making and selling cords two feet adds up to more profit

How can you make a profit if you're selling power cords cheaper
than bulk cord, and including two endings?
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

CS

Clare Snyder

in reply to Electric Comet on 05/02/2018 9:11 AM

05/02/2018 11:40 PM

On Mon, 5 Feb 2018 19:23:09 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 9:09:58 PM UTC-5, Clare Snyder wrote:
>> On Mon, 05 Feb 2018 21:28:03 GMT, Puckdropper <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Clare Snyder <[email protected]> wrote in
>> >news:[email protected]:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> You are not, but the rest of the world, including where the cord was
>> >> made (almost certainly China or one of the lesser Pac Rim countries)
>> >> is.
>> >>
>> >> When it comes to the "world market" the usa is only a flea on a
>> >> pimple on the ass of the world market.
>> >
>> >The US is the one of the few countries that hasn't forced a change to
>> >metric, and unfortunately I think we're going to have to. I, for one,
>> >hate the "Is it metric or SAE?" game, the identical sets of tools, the
>> >almost-but-not-really-the-same screw threads and so on.
>> >
>> >In the mean time, I would be in favor of labeling standards/laws that
>> >indicate the converted/approximated/rounded measurement. In the comet's
>> >cord example, you'd see the cord labeled as 30m / ~100 ft.
>> >
>> >Puckdropper
>> As it is labelled in Canada.
>>
>> Usually 30 meters, nominal 100 ft.
>
>Do you have a link that shows that? I provided a US based link that shows both 100 ft and
>30.48 m, which are equivalent.
>
>Do you have one that shows an accurate metric measure and a nominal US measure
>such as you described?


I don't have the label any more, but I bought several cords a few
years ago that had 15 meter and 30 meter with "nominal 50ft" and
"Nominal100 ft" in brackets on the label. (or possibly "replaces 100
ft")

I believe they were from Princess Auto but may have been from TSC.

Ll

Leon

in reply to Electric Comet on 05/02/2018 9:11 AM

06/02/2018 12:53 PM

On 2/5/2018 8:31 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Feb 2018 15:39:41 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>> On 2/5/2018 3:18 PM, dpb wrote:
>>> On 2/5/2018 3:03 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> Your cord was made overseas to international measurements. It was a 30
>>>> meter cord, so it was about 18 inches short (94.425 ft)
>>>>
>>>>   ONLY the USA still sells "100 ft" cords.
>>> ...
>>> But if it were packaged and labeled in US as 100-ft (and there are any
>>> number that are), if it isn't actually 100-ft it's a class-action
>>> lawsuit for an enterprising lawyer...
>>
>> The cords measure shorter in the winter. ;~)
>
> That's not all that measures shorter when it's cold, eh Leon?
>

Yeah, fuel in my gas tank... ;~)

k

in reply to Electric Comet on 05/02/2018 9:11 AM

05/02/2018 9:31 PM

On Mon, 5 Feb 2018 15:39:41 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

>On 2/5/2018 3:18 PM, dpb wrote:
>> On 2/5/2018 3:03 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>> ...
>>
>>> Your cord was made overseas to international measurements. It was a 30
>>> meter cord, so it was about 18 inches short (94.425 ft)
>>>
>>>   ONLY the USA still sells "100 ft" cords.
>> ...
>> But if it were packaged and labeled in US as 100-ft (and there are any
>> number that are), if it isn't actually 100-ft it's a class-action
>> lawsuit for an enterprising lawyer...
>
>The cords measure shorter in the winter. ;~)

That's not all that measures shorter when it's cold, eh Leon?

EC

Electric Comet

in reply to Electric Comet on 05/02/2018 9:11 AM

05/02/2018 10:08 AM

On Mon, 05 Feb 2018 12:21:51 -0500
[email protected] wrote:

> Are you sure that you didn't buy a 30 meter cord, by mistake ?

yes we are not on the metric system here

> Do you lay awake at night dreaming up these things ?

those are mutually exclusive







dn

dpb

in reply to Electric Comet on 05/02/2018 9:11 AM

05/02/2018 3:18 PM

On 2/5/2018 3:03 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
...

> Your cord was made overseas to international measurements. It was a 30
> meter cord, so it was about 18 inches short (94.425 ft)
>
> ONLY the USA still sells "100 ft" cords.
...
But if it were packaged and labeled in US as 100-ft (and there are any
number that are), if it isn't actually 100-ft it's a class-action
lawsuit for an enterprising lawyer...

We don't know where EC obtained said cord; off eBay/Amazon or the like
with suppliers from everywhere direct and many, if not most, just
drop-shippers instead of actual trackable businesses, it is quite
possible it was/is 30 m and the come-on had 100-ft in the title.

I didn't go look just now specifically, but I've seen any number of
similar things where the one measurement is given with the other in
parenthesis...which can be either the metric or English first and often
the same vendor will have both versions so search engine finds it either
way with the one the search was done for first...

--

dn

dpb

in reply to Electric Comet on 05/02/2018 9:11 AM

06/02/2018 10:50 AM

On 2/5/2018 3:06 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
...

> When it comes to the "world market" the usa is only a flea on a
> pimple on the ass of the world market.
...


That's just nonsense...2016 statistics, of global importers,

1 US $2.3T(rillion)
2 China $1.6T
3 Germany $1.0T

<https://www.statista.com/statistics/268184/leading-import-countries-worldwide/>

--

EC

Electric Comet

in reply to Electric Comet on 05/02/2018 9:11 AM

06/02/2018 9:01 AM

On Mon, 05 Feb 2018 20:26:15 -0800
pyotr filipivich <[email protected]> wrote:


> How can you make a profit if you're selling power cords
> cheaper than bulk cord, and including two endings?

economies of scale is a term to describe the benefits of producing
something on a large scale so that the costs are spread over the
many products produced and profits might be small but the number
of products sold creates a large profit

this finished cord was all machine made just like the bulk cord
the cord end price is reduced to a cost that can also be absorbed
via scale


addressing the higher price for bulk cord

most bulk consumers would not think to consider comparing the cost
of bulk with finished product so they never know to complain

and most bulk buyers might have an account and they may not give
a lot of attention to the price when they purchase in bulk
and the price is often not seen until the bookeeper looks at it
at some future time

like an electrical contractor








EC

Electric Comet

in reply to Electric Comet on 05/02/2018 9:11 AM

06/02/2018 9:05 AM

On Mon, 5 Feb 2018 14:11:11 -0800 (PST)
MJ <[email protected]> wrote:

> that labeling something that it isn't is against the law. I'd suspect
> that the seller will refund the money and if he were helpful, he
> would tell us where he bought the short cable.

not sure where i bought it
it was one of those multiple errands and all day out kind of things


also the cord ends are clipped off







h

in reply to Electric Comet on 05/02/2018 9:11 AM

05/02/2018 12:21 PM

On Mon, 5 Feb 2018 09:11:50 -0800, Electric Comet
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>got a hundred foot power cord and it was cheaper than buying the same
>cord in bulk
>but it was also two feet short and i bet most people do not measure the
>cords they buy
>but if you are making and selling cords two feet adds up to more profit
>


Are you sure that you didn't buy a 30 meter cord, by mistake ?

30 meter = 98.425 196 85 feet

Do you lay awake at night dreaming up these things ?

John T.

CS

Clare Snyder

in reply to Electric Comet on 05/02/2018 9:11 AM

06/02/2018 3:40 PM

On Tue, 6 Feb 2018 12:45:27 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

>On 2/6/2018 10:49 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
>> On Tue, 6 Feb 2018 10:27:38 -0600, Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Scott Lurndal <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Bob Davis <[email protected]> writes:
>>>>>>> When it comes to the "world market" the usa is only a flea on a
>>>>> pimple on the ass of the world market.
>>>>>
>>>>> The USA is an enormous buying market to the rest of the world. Many
>>>>> countries would die or be severely crippled without the US market.
>>>>
>>>> Can you name just one of the "many"?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Probably Mexico, OPEC is not doing as well these days, Taiwan. Japan?
>>
>> Taiwan and Japan would need to re-adjust - but would survive.
>>
>> MY point was making "commodity" product special for the USA in
>> strictly US measurement units instead of metric often doesn't make any
>> sense at all, because in the "world market" the US market is
>> insignificant.
>>
>> With Trump's protectionism, even MORE insignificant.
>>
>> We have the same problem in Canada, with many suppliers unwilling to
>> label in both English and French, meaning their products cannot be
>> legally retailed in Canada. This is because our share of the market is
>> even more insignificant - but at an importer CAN import and re-label a
>> product if the IMPORTER thinks it makes financial sense to do so.
>>
>
>
>Something I have always found odd and just an observation, a lot of
>instructions, including some I have seen from Leigh DT Jigs is that many
>dimensions are in relatively even inch or fractions of an inch
>measurements. Also on the same drawing of instructions are measurements
>in hundred's of a mm.
>
>Check out the dimensions on the last page.
>https://www.leighjigs.com/data/SPDT%20and%20BJ%20User%20Guide%20Dec8%2015.pdf
>
>I would have thought Leigh would have made holes in even mm's and
>converted to a close fraction.
>
>IIRC this is true on some brands of full extension drawer slides.

In many cases these are "legacy designs" that date from the
"imperial measurement" days before Metric became the
internationalstandard.

CS

Clare Snyder

in reply to Electric Comet on 05/02/2018 9:11 AM

07/02/2018 12:20 AM

On Tue, 06 Feb 2018 23:08:53 -0500, J. Clarke
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Tue, 06 Feb 2018 13:43:57 -0500, Clare Snyder <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 6 Feb 2018 09:10:58 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 11:43:08 AM UTC-5, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 6 Feb 2018 04:13:01 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 1:32:01 AM UTC-5, Clare Snyder wrote:
>>>> >> On Mon, 05 Feb 2018 20:26:15 -0800, pyotr filipivich
>>>> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >Electric Comet <[email protected]> on Mon, 5 Feb 2018
>>>> >> >09:11:50 -0800 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>got a hundred foot power cord and it was cheaper than buying the same
>>>> >> >>cord in bulk
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>but it was also two feet short and i bet most people do not measure the
>>>> >> >>cords they buy
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>but if you are making and selling cords two feet adds up to more profit
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > How can you make a profit if you're selling power cords cheaper
>>>> >> >than bulk cord, and including two endings?
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> You are making the cord assembly in China and only inventorying ONE
>>>> >> part instead of 3. Also, the molded on ends are MUCH simpler and
>>>> >> cheaper to make than ones you attach. There are no screws, and the
>>>> >> plastic is molded in one piece, not 2 or 3, with no holes that need
>>>> >> to be molded in or drilled for assembly screws. It's simply crimp on
>>>> >> the ends, insert them in a jug in the mold, and inject plastic.
>>>> >
>>>> >So it's cheaper to own an injection molding system and all the supplies and maintenance
>>>> >equipment than to just manufacture the cord itself with no connectors?
>>>> >
>>>> >Show me that business plan.
>>>> You need the injection molding equipment to make the ends to attach
>>>> to the bulk cord. And you need at least three times as many molds
>>>> (cap, cover, and retainer) You can usually buy the cable without ends
>>>> for less than the cable with ends, and virtually ALWAYS can buy the
>>>> made-upcable forless than the cost of the bulk cable plus ends - which
>>>> is what I THINK the OP stated.
>>>>
>>>> You are just being SNARKY again.
>>>
>>>No, I'm not. You responded directly to a question related to making more profit on a cord with
>>>ends vs. a bulk cord. I too do not see how, all else being equal (length, quality, wire size, price,
>>>etc.) you can make more profit if you are adding injected molded connectors, the metal prongs,
>>>etc. as opposed to just selling the bulk cord.
>>
>>
>> Seeing the OP's last posting, I may have mis-interpreted the original
>>post.
>>I see, by his noting "the ends are cut off" he was saying he bought
>>the made up cord with both ends for less than the cost of just the
>>cable - not what I read from the initial post.
>>
>> Then it just comes down to the cost of handling/stocking.
>>
>>Cheaper to stock packaged goods than handle the
>>cutting/measuring/dispensing of bulk product and the high "shrinkage"
>>involved.
>> The 100 ft or 30 meter cord IS what it IS - unlike bulkcord which can
>>be mis-measured, misslabeled, etc
>
>Also, is it actually the same quality cable? The extension cords Home
>Depot stocks are generally SJTW while the stranded cable they stock is
>generally SJOOW, which should stand up to a good deal more abuse.


That too


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