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"Mike"

03/08/2010 11:40 AM

Wine cellar door question

I am building a wine cellar. The door choices are mindboggling but I have
narrowed it down to two similar doors (3'0x8'0, two panels, top is glass
2/3, bottom is raised panel 1/3). The first door is solid mahogany. The
other is mahogany veneer over MDF. Both are rated for exterior. I am in
FL. The cellar will be cooled to 55 (humidity at 60-70%), the other side
will be at about 75, humidity at 40-50%. I'm told that the MDF will hold up
better and not warp. Any thoughts?


This topic has 20 replies

LZ

Luigi Zanasi

in reply to "Mike" on 03/08/2010 11:40 AM

04/08/2010 9:45 PM

On Aug 3, 8:48=A0am, "Mike" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Mike" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...>I am building a wi=
ne cellar. =A0The door choices are mindboggling but I have
> >narrowed it down to two similar doors (3'0x8'0, two panels, top is glass
> >2/3, bottom is raised panel 1/3). =A0The first door is solid mahogany. =
=A0The
> >other is mahogany veneer over MDF. =A0Both are rated for exterior. =A0I =
am in
> >FL. =A0The cellar will be cooled to 55 (humidity at 60-70%), the other s=
ide
> >will be at about 75, humidity at 40-50%. =A0I'm told that the MDF will h=
old
> >up better and not warp. =A0Any thoughts?
>
> I should add that the price difference is immaterial and the core is FSC
> certified laminated veneer lumber (LVL) core not MDF.

I made mine out of lauan door skins (1/8") sandwiching a extruded
polystyrene core (blue Styrofoam) and a western red cedar 2X2 frame.
More insulation =3D better

But living int he Yukon, the municipal water comes in at 2-4 degrees
Celsius, so I run all my water through radiators on the wine cellar
ceiling. Keeps it at 10-12 degrees all year round.

Luigi

Rr

RicodJour

in reply to "Mike" on 03/08/2010 11:40 AM

03/08/2010 9:14 AM

On Aug 3, 11:40=A0am, "Mike" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I am building a wine cellar. =A0The door choices are mindboggling but I h=
ave
> narrowed it down to two similar doors (3'0x8'0, two panels, top is glass
> 2/3, bottom is raised panel 1/3). =A0The first door is solid mahogany. =
=A0The
> other is mahogany veneer over MDF. =A0Both are rated for exterior. =A0I a=
m in
> FL. =A0The cellar will be cooled to 55 (humidity at 60-70%), the other si=
de
> will be at about 75, humidity at 40-50%. =A0I'm told that the MDF will ho=
ld up
> better and not warp. =A0Any thoughts?

If the door is sealed on all six sides either one will do just fine.

R

LZ

Luigi Zanasi

in reply to "Mike" on 03/08/2010 11:40 AM

05/08/2010 12:01 PM

On Aug 5, 10:52=A0am, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Aug 5, 1:45=A0pm, Luigi Zanasi <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 5, 6:16=A0am, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Or copper/aluminum fin tube baseboard radiators - probably the easies=
t
> > > way to have an in-line water heat exchanger hung from a ceiling.
>
> > That's it. & soldered using lead-free solder by my plumber.
>
> Good solution. =A0Is there much condensation?

Like I told Rob, only on the pipes leading to the cellar. That issue
was solved using regular foam pipe insulation, not after ruining a
number of ceiling tiles.

The wine cellar itself is drier than I would like, but that's not a
serious issue. (yes I did try a humidifier which eventually crapped
out & I didn't bother to replace it.

Luigi

Luigi

LZ

Luigi Zanasi

in reply to "Mike" on 03/08/2010 11:40 AM

05/08/2010 10:52 AM

On Aug 5, 10:17=A0am, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
> In article <[email protected].=
com>, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Aug 5, 10:39=3DA0am, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> On Aug 5, 9:16=3DA0am, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> > On Aug 5, 9:07=3DA0am, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
> >> > > =3DA0"Morgans" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> > > >"Luigi Zanasi" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> >> > > >But living int he Yukon, the municipal water comes in at 2-4 degr=
ees
> >> > > >Celsius, so I run all my water through radiators on the wine cell=
ar
> >> > > >ceiling. =3DA0Keeps it at 10-12 degrees all year round.
>
> >> > > >That sounds like a good way to drink lots of lead tainted water, =
unl=3D
> >ess you
> >> > > >are very careful to use only radiators made without lead solder.
>
> >> > > No, not really. Unless the water is significantly acidic, the amou=
nt of lead
> >> > > that leaches into it from leaded solder is really rather low, and =
allowing the
> >> > > tap to run for 30 to 60 seconds before filling one's glass elimina=
tes nearly
> >> > > all of it.
>
> >> > > >That would limit you to only using plastic end cap radiators.
>
> >> > > What, you think he's running it through *automobile* radiators?? C=
ould be, but
> >> > > I rather doubt it. More likely, he's using normal residential radi=
ators, which
> >> > > are typically made of cast iron.
>
> >> > Or copper/aluminum fin tube baseboard radiators - probably the easie=
st
> >> > way to have an in-line water heat exchanger hung from a ceiling.
>
> >> Condensation wouldn't become an issue?
>
> >It's a wine cellar. =A0Dank and dripping ceilings are a feature. =A0;)
>
> >I have no experience with them, so I can't comment on how an inline
> >radiator would work out and how much condensation. =A0A dehumidifier?
>
> A fan controlled by a humidistat would be a better choice. Dehumidifiers =
put
> out a fair amount of heat, and unless there's a way to exhaust that from =
the
> room, it would likely defeat the purpose of using a water-chilled radiato=
r.
>
> And of course if the ambient humidity isn't very high to begin with,
> condensation isn't much of an issue.

No condensation in the wine cellar itself, since it's already cool &
we generally have low ambient humidity (I do live in Canada's driest
city).

> >I was addressing my empathetic aching back's issue with hoisting a
> >surplus cast iron radiator and suspending it from the ceiling. =A0I see
> >a bunch of downside, and not much upside with going cast iron.
>
> So use a drywall hoist. <g> Actually, the downside is also the upside: lo=
ts of
> mass there. Once it's chilled, it's going to *stay* chilled.

The thermal mass is supplied by the vino itself. The cellar is 4 feet
by 10 feet by 8' high & generally holds three to five 54-litre (15
gallons, Doug) demijohns as well as a similar amount of bottled
stuff. :-)

Luigi

Rc

Robatoy

in reply to "Mike" on 03/08/2010 11:40 AM

05/08/2010 2:02 PM

On Aug 5, 3:01=A0pm, Luigi Zanasi <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Aug 5, 10:52=A0am, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 5, 1:45=A0pm, Luigi Zanasi <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 5, 6:16=A0am, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > Or copper/aluminum fin tube baseboard radiators - probably the easi=
est
> > > > way to have an in-line water heat exchanger hung from a ceiling.
>
> > > That's it. & soldered using lead-free solder by my plumber.
>
> > Good solution. =A0Is there much condensation?
>
> Like I told Rob, only on the pipes leading to the cellar. That issue
> was solved using regular foam pipe insulation, not after ruining a
> number of ceiling tiles.
>
> The wine cellar itself is drier than I would like, but that's not a
> serious issue. (yes I did try a humidifier which eventually crapped
> out & I didn't bother to replace it.
>
> Luigi
>
> Luigi

I put a truck radiator in a garage window once (late 60's) and ran
tapwater through it and used a box fan to blow the cool air into the
garage. After a few minutes it started to cool off AND pretty much
'rain' in the garage ruining one of my Bardot posters. At first I
thought the old rad had a leak in it.

LZ

Luigi Zanasi

in reply to "Mike" on 03/08/2010 11:40 AM

05/08/2010 10:21 PM

On Aug 5, 12:15=A0pm, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
> In article <[email protected]=
.com>, Luigi Zanasi <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >The thermal mass is supplied by the vino itself. The cellar is 4 feet
> >by 10 feet by 8' high & generally holds three to five 54-litre (15
> >gallons, Doug) demijohns as well as a similar amount of bottled
> >stuff. =A0:-)
>
> You make your own, then? How come I haven't ever seen you over at
> rec.crafts.winemaking?

Yes you have.

http://groups.google.ca/group/rec.crafts.winemaking/browse_frm/thread/12e66=
2f91023fc18/ccfb8ed6c18567ec?hl=3Den&lnk=3Dgst&q=3DLuigi#ccfb8ed6c18567ec

:-)

I was there in the mid-late 90s, but sort of gave up on it, don't
exactly remember why.

Luigi

Rr

RicodJour

in reply to "Mike" on 03/08/2010 11:40 AM

05/08/2010 6:16 AM

On Aug 5, 9:07=A0am, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
> "Morgans" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >"Luigi Zanasi" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> >But living int he Yukon, the municipal water comes in at 2-4 degrees
> >Celsius, so I run all my water through radiators on the wine cellar
> >ceiling. =A0Keeps it at 10-12 degrees all year round.
>
> >That sounds like a good way to drink lots of lead tainted water, unless =
you
> >are very careful to use only radiators made without lead solder. =A0
>
> No, not really. Unless the water is significantly acidic, the amount of l=
ead
> that leaches into it from leaded solder is really rather low, and allowin=
g the
> tap to run for 30 to 60 seconds before filling one's glass eliminates nea=
rly
> all of it.
>
> >That would limit you to only using plastic end cap radiators.
>
> What, you think he's running it through *automobile* radiators?? Could be=
, but
> I rather doubt it. More likely, he's using normal residential radiators, =
which
> are typically made of cast iron.

Or copper/aluminum fin tube baseboard radiators - probably the easiest
way to have an in-line water heat exchanger hung from a ceiling.

R

LZ

Luigi Zanasi

in reply to "Mike" on 03/08/2010 11:40 AM

05/08/2010 10:46 AM

On Aug 5, 7:39=A0am, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Aug 5, 9:16=A0am, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Aug 5, 9:07=A0am, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
>
> > > =A0"Morgans" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >"Luigi Zanasi" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> > > >But living int he Yukon, the municipal water comes in at 2-4 degrees
> > > >Celsius, so I run all my water through radiators on the wine cellar
> > > >ceiling. =A0Keeps it at 10-12 degrees all year round.
>
> > > >That sounds like a good way to drink lots of lead tainted water, unl=
ess you
> > > >are very careful to use only radiators made without lead solder. =A0
>
> > > No, not really. Unless the water is significantly acidic, the amount =
of lead
> > > that leaches into it from leaded solder is really rather low, and all=
owing the
> > > tap to run for 30 to 60 seconds before filling one's glass eliminates=
nearly
> > > all of it.
>
> > > >That would limit you to only using plastic end cap radiators.
>
> > > What, you think he's running it through *automobile* radiators?? Coul=
d be, but
> > > I rather doubt it. More likely, he's using normal residential radiato=
rs, which
> > > are typically made of cast iron.
>
> > Or copper/aluminum fin tube baseboard radiators - probably the easiest
> > way to have an in-line water heat exchanger hung from a ceiling.
>
> > R
>
> Condensation wouldn't become an issue?

It did on the way to the cellar. It dripped all over the suspended
ceiling. But pipe insulation fixed that.

Luigi

Rr

RicodJour

in reply to "Mike" on 03/08/2010 11:40 AM

05/08/2010 8:08 AM

On Aug 5, 10:39=A0am, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Aug 5, 9:16=A0am, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Aug 5, 9:07=A0am, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
> > > =A0"Morgans" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >"Luigi Zanasi" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> > > >But living int he Yukon, the municipal water comes in at 2-4 degrees
> > > >Celsius, so I run all my water through radiators on the wine cellar
> > > >ceiling. =A0Keeps it at 10-12 degrees all year round.
>
> > > >That sounds like a good way to drink lots of lead tainted water, unl=
ess you
> > > >are very careful to use only radiators made without lead solder. =A0
>
> > > No, not really. Unless the water is significantly acidic, the amount =
of lead
> > > that leaches into it from leaded solder is really rather low, and all=
owing the
> > > tap to run for 30 to 60 seconds before filling one's glass eliminates=
nearly
> > > all of it.
>
> > > >That would limit you to only using plastic end cap radiators.
>
> > > What, you think he's running it through *automobile* radiators?? Coul=
d be, but
> > > I rather doubt it. More likely, he's using normal residential radiato=
rs, which
> > > are typically made of cast iron.
>
> > Or copper/aluminum fin tube baseboard radiators - probably the easiest
> > way to have an in-line water heat exchanger hung from a ceiling.
>
>
> Condensation wouldn't become an issue?

It's a wine cellar. Dank and dripping ceilings are a feature. ;)

I have no experience with them, so I can't comment on how an inline
radiator would work out and how much condensation. A dehumidifier?

I was addressing my empathetic aching back's issue with hoisting a
surplus cast iron radiator and suspending it from the ceiling. I see
a bunch of downside, and not much upside with going cast iron.

R

Rc

Robatoy

in reply to "Mike" on 03/08/2010 11:40 AM

05/08/2010 7:39 AM

On Aug 5, 9:16=A0am, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Aug 5, 9:07=A0am, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > =A0"Morgans" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >"Luigi Zanasi" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> > >But living int he Yukon, the municipal water comes in at 2-4 degrees
> > >Celsius, so I run all my water through radiators on the wine cellar
> > >ceiling. =A0Keeps it at 10-12 degrees all year round.
>
> > >That sounds like a good way to drink lots of lead tainted water, unles=
s you
> > >are very careful to use only radiators made without lead solder. =A0
>
> > No, not really. Unless the water is significantly acidic, the amount of=
lead
> > that leaches into it from leaded solder is really rather low, and allow=
ing the
> > tap to run for 30 to 60 seconds before filling one's glass eliminates n=
early
> > all of it.
>
> > >That would limit you to only using plastic end cap radiators.
>
> > What, you think he's running it through *automobile* radiators?? Could =
be, but
> > I rather doubt it. More likely, he's using normal residential radiators=
, which
> > are typically made of cast iron.
>
> Or copper/aluminum fin tube baseboard radiators - probably the easiest
> way to have an in-line water heat exchanger hung from a ceiling.
>
> R

Condensation wouldn't become an issue?

Rr

RicodJour

in reply to "Mike" on 03/08/2010 11:40 AM

05/08/2010 10:52 AM

On Aug 5, 1:45=A0pm, Luigi Zanasi <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Aug 5, 6:16=A0am, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Or copper/aluminum fin tube baseboard radiators - probably the easiest
> > way to have an in-line water heat exchanger hung from a ceiling.
>
> That's it. & soldered using lead-free solder by my plumber.

Good solution. Is there much condensation?

R

Mj

"Morgans"

in reply to "Mike" on 03/08/2010 11:40 AM

05/08/2010 8:30 AM


"Luigi Zanasi" <[email protected]> wrote

But living int he Yukon, the municipal water comes in at 2-4 degrees
Celsius, so I run all my water through radiators on the wine cellar
ceiling. Keeps it at 10-12 degrees all year round.

Luigi
*****************************
That sounds lik a good way to drink lots of lead tainted water, unless you
are very careful to use only radiators made without lead solder. That would
limit you to only using plastic end cap radiators.
--
Jim in NC

LZ

Luigi Zanasi

in reply to "Mike" on 03/08/2010 11:40 AM

07/08/2010 9:51 AM

On Aug 6, 4:01=A0am, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
> In article <[email protected]=
.com>, Luigi Zanasi <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Aug 5, 12:15=3DA0pm, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
> >> In article <[email protected]=
ups=3D
> >..com>, Luigi Zanasi <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> >The thermal mass is supplied by the vino itself. The cellar is 4 feet
> >> >by 10 feet by 8' high & generally holds three to five 54-litre (15
> >> >gallons, Doug) demijohns as well as a similar amount of bottled
> >> >stuff. :-)
>
> >> You make your own, then? How come I haven't ever seen you over at
> >> rec.crafts.winemaking?
>
> >Yes you have.
>
> >http://groups.google.ca/group/rec.crafts.winemaking/browse_frm/thread...
> >2f91023fc18/ccfb8ed6c18567ec?hl=3D3Den&lnk=3D3Dgst&q=3D3DLuigi#ccfb8ed6c=
18567ec
>
> >:-)
>
> That was eleven years ago! I've slept since then.
>
:-) It was pretty funny. I was quite amused to see that when I
searched on Luigi in rec.crafts.winemaking, the first post that showed
up also had Doug Miller participating in the same thread. ;-) I hadn't
remembered that you participated in that group too.

Luigi

LZ

Luigi Zanasi

in reply to "Mike" on 03/08/2010 11:40 AM

05/08/2010 10:45 AM

On Aug 5, 6:16=A0am, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Aug 5, 9:07=A0am, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
>
>
>
> > =A0"Morgans" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >"Luigi Zanasi" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> > >But living int he Yukon, the municipal water comes in at 2-4 degrees
> > >Celsius, so I run all my water through radiators on the wine cellar
> > >ceiling. =A0Keeps it at 10-12 degrees all year round.
>
> > >That sounds like a good way to drink lots of lead tainted water, unles=
s you
> > >are very careful to use only radiators made without lead solder. =A0
>
> > No, not really. Unless the water is significantly acidic, the amount of=
lead
> > that leaches into it from leaded solder is really rather low, and allow=
ing the
> > tap to run for 30 to 60 seconds before filling one's glass eliminates n=
early
> > all of it.
>
> > >That would limit you to only using plastic end cap radiators.
>
> > What, you think he's running it through *automobile* radiators?? Could =
be, but
> > I rather doubt it. More likely, he's using normal residential radiators=
, which
> > are typically made of cast iron.
>
> Or copper/aluminum fin tube baseboard radiators - probably the easiest
> way to have an in-line water heat exchanger hung from a ceiling.
>
> R

That's it. & soldered using lead-free solder by my plumber.

Luigi

JS

Jack Stein

in reply to "Mike" on 03/08/2010 11:40 AM

03/08/2010 12:37 PM

Mike wrote:
> I am building a wine cellar. The door choices are mindboggling but I have
> narrowed it down to two similar doors (3'0x8'0, two panels, top is glass
> 2/3, bottom is raised panel 1/3). The first door is solid mahogany. The
> other is mahogany veneer over MDF. Both are rated for exterior. I am in
> FL. The cellar will be cooled to 55 (humidity at 60-70%), the other side
> will be at about 75, humidity at 40-50%. I'm told that the MDF will hold up
> better and not warp. Any thoughts?

Exterior doors should have no problem, pick the one you like best, if it
were I, I'd go for the solid mahogany, just because...

--
Jack
News Flash: Government Motors (GM) fines their top competitor $16 Mil.
http://jbstein.com

sD

[email protected] (Doug Miller)

in reply to "Mike" on 03/08/2010 11:40 AM

05/08/2010 1:07 PM

In article <[email protected]>, "Morgans" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Luigi Zanasi" <[email protected]> wrote
>
>But living int he Yukon, the municipal water comes in at 2-4 degrees
>Celsius, so I run all my water through radiators on the wine cellar
>ceiling. Keeps it at 10-12 degrees all year round.
>
>Luigi
>*****************************
>That sounds lik a good way to drink lots of lead tainted water, unless you
>are very careful to use only radiators made without lead solder.

No, not really. Unless the water is significantly acidic, the amount of lead
that leaches into it from leaded solder is really rather low, and allowing the
tap to run for 30 to 60 seconds before filling one's glass eliminates nearly
all of it.

>That would
>limit you to only using plastic end cap radiators.

What, you think he's running it through *automobile* radiators?? Could be, but
I rather doubt it. More likely, he's using normal residential radiators, which
are typically made of cast iron.

sD

[email protected] (Doug Miller)

in reply to "Mike" on 03/08/2010 11:40 AM

05/08/2010 5:17 PM

In article <[email protected]>, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Aug 5, 10:39=A0am, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Aug 5, 9:16=A0am, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > On Aug 5, 9:07=A0am, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
>> > > =A0"Morgans" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > > >"Luigi Zanasi" <[email protected]> wrote
>>
>> > > >But living int he Yukon, the municipal water comes in at 2-4 degrees
>> > > >Celsius, so I run all my water through radiators on the wine cellar
>> > > >ceiling. =A0Keeps it at 10-12 degrees all year round.
>>
>> > > >That sounds like a good way to drink lots of lead tainted water, unl=
>ess you
>> > > >are very careful to use only radiators made without lead solder.
>>
>> > > No, not really. Unless the water is significantly acidic, the amount of lead
>> > > that leaches into it from leaded solder is really rather low, and allowing the
>> > > tap to run for 30 to 60 seconds before filling one's glass eliminates nearly
>> > > all of it.
>>
>> > > >That would limit you to only using plastic end cap radiators.
>>
>> > > What, you think he's running it through *automobile* radiators?? Could be, but
>> > > I rather doubt it. More likely, he's using normal residential radiators, which
>> > > are typically made of cast iron.
>>
>> > Or copper/aluminum fin tube baseboard radiators - probably the easiest
>> > way to have an in-line water heat exchanger hung from a ceiling.
>>
>>
>> Condensation wouldn't become an issue?
>
>It's a wine cellar. Dank and dripping ceilings are a feature. ;)
>
>I have no experience with them, so I can't comment on how an inline
>radiator would work out and how much condensation. A dehumidifier?

A fan controlled by a humidistat would be a better choice. Dehumidifiers put
out a fair amount of heat, and unless there's a way to exhaust that from the
room, it would likely defeat the purpose of using a water-chilled radiator.

And of course if the ambient humidity isn't very high to begin with,
condensation isn't much of an issue.
>
>I was addressing my empathetic aching back's issue with hoisting a
>surplus cast iron radiator and suspending it from the ceiling. I see
>a bunch of downside, and not much upside with going cast iron.

So use a drywall hoist. <g> Actually, the downside is also the upside: lots of
mass there. Once it's chilled, it's going to *stay* chilled.

sD

[email protected] (Doug Miller)

in reply to "Mike" on 03/08/2010 11:40 AM

05/08/2010 7:15 PM

In article <4ce3be66-5954-4b45-99ed-48e6c7b3aa1e@z30g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Luigi Zanasi <[email protected]> wrote:

>The thermal mass is supplied by the vino itself. The cellar is 4 feet
>by 10 feet by 8' high & generally holds three to five 54-litre (15
>gallons, Doug) demijohns as well as a similar amount of bottled
>stuff. :-)

You make your own, then? How come I haven't ever seen you over at
rec.crafts.winemaking?

sD

[email protected] (Doug Miller)

in reply to "Mike" on 03/08/2010 11:40 AM

06/08/2010 11:01 AM

In article <7669bc3b-f4c2-4e53-bb41-d388220ab3e0@u38g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, Luigi Zanasi <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Aug 5, 12:15=A0pm, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]=
>..com>, Luigi Zanasi <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >The thermal mass is supplied by the vino itself. The cellar is 4 feet
>> >by 10 feet by 8' high & generally holds three to five 54-litre (15
>> >gallons, Doug) demijohns as well as a similar amount of bottled
>> >stuff. :-)
>>
>> You make your own, then? How come I haven't ever seen you over at
>> rec.crafts.winemaking?
>
>Yes you have.
>
>http://groups.google.ca/group/rec.crafts.winemaking/browse_frm/thread/12e66=
>2f91023fc18/ccfb8ed6c18567ec?hl=3Den&lnk=3Dgst&q=3DLuigi#ccfb8ed6c18567ec
>
>:-)

That was eleven years ago! I've slept since then.
>
>I was there in the mid-late 90s, but sort of gave up on it, don't
>exactly remember why.

I mostly lurk there now.

Mn

"Mike"

in reply to "Mike" on 03/08/2010 11:40 AM

03/08/2010 11:48 AM


"Mike" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>I am building a wine cellar. The door choices are mindboggling but I have
>narrowed it down to two similar doors (3'0x8'0, two panels, top is glass
>2/3, bottom is raised panel 1/3). The first door is solid mahogany. The
>other is mahogany veneer over MDF. Both are rated for exterior. I am in
>FL. The cellar will be cooled to 55 (humidity at 60-70%), the other side
>will be at about 75, humidity at 40-50%. I'm told that the MDF will hold
>up better and not warp. Any thoughts?
>
I should add that the price difference is immaterial and the core is FSC
certified laminated veneer lumber (LVL) core not MDF.



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