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GarageWoodworks

07/02/2010 9:58 AM

Through Loose Tenons

I have been thinking of trying this for a while, but never have.
Through loose tenons. I would keep them square instead of rounded.
Seems like it should work. The only problem I can think of is that
you would need to make sure that the tenon stock to matches in color
to the adjoining rail (if a lot of the tenon is exposed).

I expect to get a few "just use integral tenons for this", but
obviously I've considered that already and choose to explore "loose
tenons".

Ever tried it?


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[email protected] (Jerome Meekings)

in reply to GarageWoodworks on 07/02/2010 9:58 AM

14/02/2010 5:06 PM

charlie b <[email protected]> wrote:

> head over to YouTube and search for
> DOMINO Through Mortise
>
> or
>
> www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVlrlevz-Z8
>
> The Festool DOMINO is REAL handy.
>
> charlie b
Hi Charlie

That link and the refference are not coming up for me.
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GarageWoodworks

in reply to GarageWoodworks on 07/02/2010 9:58 AM

07/02/2010 12:16 PM

On Feb 7, 3:04=A0pm, "Nonny" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:cd15764c-00d7-46ce-9190-cd6099a4215a@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Feb 7, 12:58 pm, GarageWoodworks
> > <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >> I have been thinking of trying this for a while, but never
> >> have.
> >> Through loose tenons. =A0I would keep them square instead of
> >> rounded.
> >> Seems like it should work. =A0The only problem I can think of is
> >> that
> >> you would need to make sure that the tenon stock to matches in
> >> color
> >> to the adjoining rail (if a lot of the tenon is exposed).
>
> >> I expect to get a few "just use integral tenons for this", but
> >> obviously I've considered that already and choose to explore
> >> "loose
> >> tenons".
>
> >> Ever tried it?
>
> > One more thing, my e-mail is no longer valid due to the amount
> > spam so
> > please visit my website if you choose to contact me directly.
>
> >www.garagewoodworks.com
>
> Nice web site. =A0Is Stamey's (sp?) barbecue still in the area?

Thank you and yes it is, but I've never eaten there.

>
> --
> Nonny
>
> ELOQUIDIOT (n) A highly educated, sophisticated,
> and articulate person who has absolutely no clue
> concerning what they are talking about.
> The person is typically a media commentator or politician.

cb

charlie b

in reply to GarageWoodworks on 07/02/2010 9:58 AM

07/02/2010 1:42 PM

You didn't mention the specific application you had in mind.
If the through mortise length (can a hole have a length?) is
under about 1 1/2" - the loose tenon isn't over about 3/8"
thick - and round ends are acceptable

then

head over to YouTube and search for
DOMINO Through Mortise

or

www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVlrlevz-Z8

The Festool DOMINO is REAL handy.

charlie b

Gb

GarageWoodworks

in reply to GarageWoodworks on 07/02/2010 9:58 AM

07/02/2010 12:15 PM

On Feb 7, 2:27=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 2/7/2010 11:58 AM, GarageWoodworks wrote:
>
> > I have been thinking of trying this for a while, but never have.
> > Through loose tenons. =A0I would keep them square instead of rounded.
> > Seems like it should work. =A0The only problem I can think of is that
> > you would need to make sure that the tenon stock to matches in color
> > to the adjoining rail (if a lot of the tenon is exposed).
> > Ever tried it?
>
> Experimented with a batch of gift calendar frames with exposed loose
> tenons a few years back. Tried some round and some square just for
> grins. Both 1/4" tenon stock through 3/4" stiles, so they were small and
> bit hard to work with.
>
> I did try a slight, traditional bevel on the exposed corners of both
> types. The square ones came out just fine, the rounded exposed tenons
> looked more like blunted spearheads by the time I got through butchering
> them. :(
>
> (If I use rounded through loose tenons again, I will just leave them
> exposed for what they are.)
>
> All said/done, it's doable, it works, and there is no reason why you
> can't do it.

Ok. Thanks. I'm going to give it a go when I can find the time.

>
> Also think using loose tenons thicker than 1/4" would allow for a
> better, more traditional look, and a lot easier to effect ... 3/8" thick
> would be about a small as I would want to go.
>
> FWIW ...
>
> --www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 10/22/08
> KarlC@ (the obvious)

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"Nonny"

in reply to GarageWoodworks on 07/02/2010 9:58 AM

07/02/2010 12:04 PM


"GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:cd15764c-00d7-46ce-9190-cd6099a4215a@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 7, 12:58 pm, GarageWoodworks
> <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> I have been thinking of trying this for a while, but never
>> have.
>> Through loose tenons. I would keep them square instead of
>> rounded.
>> Seems like it should work. The only problem I can think of is
>> that
>> you would need to make sure that the tenon stock to matches in
>> color
>> to the adjoining rail (if a lot of the tenon is exposed).
>>
>> I expect to get a few "just use integral tenons for this", but
>> obviously I've considered that already and choose to explore
>> "loose
>> tenons".
>>
>> Ever tried it?
>
> One more thing, my e-mail is no longer valid due to the amount
> spam so
> please visit my website if you choose to contact me directly.
>
> www.garagewoodworks.com

Nice web site. Is Stamey's (sp?) barbecue still in the area?

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ELOQUIDIOT (n) A highly educated, sophisticated,
and articulate person who has absolutely no clue
concerning what they are talking about.
The person is typically a media commentator or politician.

Gb

GarageWoodworks

in reply to GarageWoodworks on 07/02/2010 9:58 AM

07/02/2010 2:27 PM

On Feb 7, 4:42=A0pm, charlie b <[email protected]> wrote:
> You didn't mention the specific application you had in mind.
> If the through mortise length

>(can a hole have a length?)

Good question. I once drilled a 1" diameter hole into the end of a 1"
diameter dowel and it took me hours to try and measure the length of
the hole.

> is under about 1 1/2" - the loose tenon isn't over about 3/8"
> thick - and round ends are acceptable
>
> then
>
> head over to YouTube and search for
> DOMINO Through Mortise
>
> or
>
> www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DFVlrlevz-Z8
>
> The Festool DOMINO is REAL handy.

Unfortunately out of my price range.

>
> charlie b

Gb

GarageWoodworks

in reply to GarageWoodworks on 07/02/2010 9:58 AM

07/02/2010 10:06 AM

On Feb 7, 12:58=A0pm, GarageWoodworks <[email protected]>
wrote:
> I have been thinking of trying this for a while, but never have.
> Through loose tenons. =A0I would keep them square instead of rounded.
> Seems like it should work. =A0The only problem I can think of is that
> you would need to make sure that the tenon stock to matches in color
> to the adjoining rail (if a lot of the tenon is exposed).
>
> I expect to get a few "just use integral tenons for this", but
> obviously I've considered that already and choose to explore "loose
> tenons".
>
> Ever tried it?

One more thing, my e-mail is no longer valid due to the amount spam so
please visit my website if you choose to contact me directly.

www.garagewoodworks.com

dd

"dadiOH"

in reply to GarageWoodworks on 07/02/2010 9:58 AM

07/02/2010 3:32 PM

GarageWoodworks wrote:
> I have been thinking of trying this for a while, but never have.
> Through loose tenons. I would keep them square instead of rounded.
> Seems like it should work. The only problem I can think of is that
> you would need to make sure that the tenon stock to matches in color
> to the adjoining rail (if a lot of the tenon is exposed).

End grain isn't going to match. Viva la difference!
__________

> I expect to get a few "just use integral tenons for this", but
> obviously I've considered that already and choose to explore "loose
> tenons".
>
> Ever tried it?

Yeah. I wedged them too.

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Larry Jaques

in reply to GarageWoodworks on 07/02/2010 9:58 AM

09/02/2010 7:01 AM

On Sun, 7 Feb 2010 09:58:55 -0800 (PST), the infamous GarageWoodworks
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

>I have been thinking of trying this for a while, but never have.
>Through loose tenons.

You realize, don't you, Brian, that the phrase sounds an awful lot
like the title for a tawdry romance novel or cheesy daytime soap
opera?

"Through Loose Tenons", the story of a girl, her dog, her doctor,
his horse, and seven of the town drunks.



>I would keep them square instead of rounded.
>Seems like it should work. The only problem I can think of is that
>you would need to make sure that the tenon stock to matches in color
>to the adjoining rail (if a lot of the tenon is exposed).


Right. An pine tenon wouldn't look right in a jarrah piece. <snort>


>I expect to get a few "just use integral tenons for this", but
>obviously I've considered that already and choose to explore "loose
>tenons".
>
>Ever tried it?

Newp, but I'll bet it would work just fine, given good joinery
workmanship.

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after a journey that no one can take for us or spare us.
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Sk

Swingman

in reply to GarageWoodworks on 07/02/2010 9:58 AM

07/02/2010 1:27 PM

On 2/7/2010 11:58 AM, GarageWoodworks wrote:
> I have been thinking of trying this for a while, but never have.
> Through loose tenons. I would keep them square instead of rounded.
> Seems like it should work. The only problem I can think of is that
> you would need to make sure that the tenon stock to matches in color
> to the adjoining rail (if a lot of the tenon is exposed).

> Ever tried it?

Experimented with a batch of gift calendar frames with exposed loose
tenons a few years back. Tried some round and some square just for
grins. Both 1/4" tenon stock through 3/4" stiles, so they were small and
bit hard to work with.

I did try a slight, traditional bevel on the exposed corners of both
types. The square ones came out just fine, the rounded exposed tenons
looked more like blunted spearheads by the time I got through butchering
them. :(

(If I use rounded through loose tenons again, I will just leave them
exposed for what they are.)

All said/done, it's doable, it works, and there is no reason why you
can't do it.

Also think using loose tenons thicker than 1/4" would allow for a
better, more traditional look, and a lot easier to effect ... 3/8" thick
would be about a small as I would want to go.

FWIW ...

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