I'm curious...how long do you figure it would take you to make a drawer?
Obviously, it takes less time per unit when you are making numerous but I'm
talking about one drawer from rough lumber to ready to finish including the
following steps...
surface lumber to thickness needed
rip as needed
crosscut as needed
mill work for joining (sides to back, front, bottom, etc)
assembly
sanding
I have just one to make and figure it is going to take me at least a full
day but I don't move as fast as I used to. You?
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"dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> I'm curious...how long do you figure it would take you to make a
> drawer? Obviously, it takes less time per unit when you are making
> numerous but I'm talking about one drawer from rough lumber to ready
> to finish including the following steps...
>
> surface lumber to thickness needed
> rip as needed
> crosscut as needed
> mill work for joining (sides to back, front, bottom, etc)
> assembly
> sanding
>
> I have just one to make and figure it is going to take me at least a
> full day but I don't move as fast as I used to. You?
>
Stock Selection: 30 seconds to an hour (I use my scrap wood first)
Rough Plan: 5-10 minutes
Sawing: 30 minutes for rips, 5 for cross cuts (I usually have to cut bad
edges off first)
Basic jointery (screws): 5 minutes to predrill all the holes, 10 to
clamp, align, and screw
Cutting replacement pieces: 10-15 minutes each. (Assuming I don't have to
saw down thicker wood)
Planing: 30 minutes
Sanding: Depends on how rough the pieces are.
So it looks like it'll take somewhere around 4 hours to build a single
drawer. Might as well build multiple when I'm at it, it'll probably add
only another 20 minutes or so for each one.
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On May 6, 4:41=A0am, "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote:
> SonomaProducts.com wrote:
> >> 255 minutes. If I added correctly. Maybe I'm not so slow after all
> >> when you add in coffee breaks :)
>
> > =A0So now try walking into the shop having done no prep except a good
> > drawing, grab some wood and see if it isn't 4 hours before you a nice
> > dovetailed drawer in your hands, ready to finish. And again 4 hours
> > and 15 minutes for 2.
>
> I wasn't implying that you were slow, just that your estimate sounded pre=
tty
> realistic to me.
>
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Yep, tone can be lost in writing. I didn't think you were dis-ing me,
I was just expanding on my first post. The addition surprised me but
after I gave it a second thought I figured yeah 4 hours is about right.
SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>> surface lumber to thickness needed
>> rip as needed
>> crosscut as needed
>> mill work for joining (sides to back, front, bottom, etc)
>> assembly
>> sanding
>
> I do these types of estimates all the time when designing and pricing
> my furniture kits (which someday I'll start selling) and then I test
> my assumptions so I am getting pretty good.
>
> I would add in one step of "Rough breakdown of stock" for sorting
> selecting and rough cross cutting
> 20 minutes
>
> surface lumber to thickness needed: 20 minutes with handling and setup
>
> rip as needed: 15 minutes plus 15 minutes to cut bottom from larger
> stock
>
> crosscut as needed: assuming sled setup with high accuracy: 30 minutes
>
> mill work for joining (sides to back, front, bottom, etc)
> - Setup dovetail jig 45 minutes
> - run dovetails 15 min
> - setup dado\slot cutter for bottom 20 min
> - run slots 15 min
> - 20 minutes to setup and run roundover router for tops of drawre
> sides
> assembly: 20 minutes
>
> sanding: Mostly done before assembly 15 mins 5 minutes after assembly
>
> Add 10\15 minutes for every additional drawer you want to do.
255 minutes. If I added correctly. Maybe I'm not so slow after all when
you add in coffee breaks :)
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"dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote in news:YPkEn.397833$0t.368645
@newsfe17.ams2:
> Puckdropper wrote:
>> Basic jointery (screws): 5 minutes to predrill all the holes, 10 to
>> clamp, align, and screw
>
> Screws? In drawers? Uhh, OK...
> __________
It's what I used on my last series of drawers. Nothing fancy, just a
pair of screws in the corners. I'm not going for fine furniture, just a
tool chest that's wide (36" wide) and narrow (11" deep).
>> Cutting replacement pieces: 10-15 minutes each. (Assuming I don't
>> have to saw down thicker wood)
>
> What's a replacement piece?
>
A piece for something I screwed up. Sketchup has the ability to stretch
boards, I do not.
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Puckdropper wrote:
> "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote in news:YPkEn.397833$0t.368645
> @newsfe17.ams2:
>
>> Puckdropper wrote:
>
>>> Basic jointery (screws): 5 minutes to predrill all the holes, 10 to
>>> clamp, align, and screw
>>
>> Screws? In drawers? Uhh, OK...
>> __________
>
> It's what I used on my last series of drawers. Nothing fancy, just a
> pair of screws in the corners. I'm not going for fine furniture,
> just a tool chest that's wide (36" wide) and narrow (11" deep).
>
>>> Cutting replacement pieces: 10-15 minutes each. (Assuming I don't
>>> have to saw down thicker wood)
>>
>> What's a replacement piece?
>>
>
> A piece for something I screwed up.
Oh, THOSE :)
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dpb wrote:
> dadiOH wrote:
>> I'm curious...how long do you figure it would take you to make a
>> drawer? Obviously, it takes less time per unit when you are making
>> numerous but I'm talking about one drawer from rough lumber to ready
>> to finish including the following steps...
>>
>> surface lumber to thickness needed
>> rip as needed
>> crosscut as needed
>> mill work for joining (sides to back, front, bottom, etc)
>> assembly
>> sanding
>>
>> I have just one to make and figure it is going to take me at least a
>> full day but I don't move as fast as I used to. You?
>>
>
> All 'pends on what kind of drawer and what size...I could knock a
> bench or inexpensive kitchen cabinet drawer together in about an hour
> or less; a serpentine breakfront might be just a tad longer... :)
An hour? Come work for me, I'll buy you beer :)
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>
>
> Making several at one time is certainly more time-effective. I can
> make a drawer in 4 hours or up to 2 days. With handcut dovetails I
> might be close to finishing one drawer in the time it takes to set up
> a dovetailing jig. Turning/sanding/finishing a wooden knob might take
> a half hour.
It usually takes me about an hour longer than my in-laws are visiting for
;-)
Larry C
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> I'm curious...how long do you figure it would take you to make a drawer?
> Obviously, it takes less time per unit when you are making numerous but
> I'm talking about one drawer from rough lumber to ready to finish
> including the following steps...
>
> surface lumber to thickness needed
> rip as needed
> crosscut as needed
> mill work for joining (sides to back, front, bottom, etc)
> assembly
> sanding
>
> I have just one to make and figure it is going to take me at least a full
> day but I don't move as fast as I used to. You?
>
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>Got a video last week from Wood Magazine showing a single set up on table
>saw to do ALL the cuts for a drawer. Saved some where in my favorites but
>cannot locate it. Try searching on Wood Magazine. WW
J. Clarke wrote:
> On 5/5/2010 4:45 PM, dadiOH wrote:
>> J. Clarke wrote:
>>> On 5/5/2010 9:36 AM, dadiOH wrote:
>>>> I'm curious...how long do you figure it would take you to make a
>>>> drawer? Obviously, it takes less time per unit when you are making
>>>> numerous but I'm talking about one drawer from rough lumber to
>>>> ready to finish including the following steps...
>>>>
>>>> surface lumber to thickness needed
>>>> rip as needed
>>>> crosscut as needed
>>>> mill work for joining (sides to back, front, bottom, etc)
>>>> assembly
>>>> sanding
>>>>
>>>> I have just one to make and figure it is going to take me at least
>>>> a full day but I don't move as fast as I used to. You?
>>>
>>> Too many unknowns, and do you mean how long in labor hours or in
>>> clock hours (noting that clock hours will be longer because it
>>> includes time spent waiting for glue and finish to set)? Also how
>>> big a drawer and what tools do you have? Running a board throw a
>>> planer takes a few seconds, planing one flat with hand tools takes
>>> a lot longer.
>>
>> Clock.
>
> In that case figure at least a day, possibly as long as a week,
> depending on how many stages of glue-up you need and what kind of glue
> and finish you're using.
>
>> Drawer size - within reason - doesn't much matter. Usual tools,
>> mostly...cabinet saw, RAS, bandsaw, router table, lathe, drill
>> press, combo belt/disc sander, 16" drum sander.
>
> How fast is that drum sander? Don't see a planer so I presume that
> that's what you're going to use for thicknessing.
Right. As to speed, depends on grit, how hard and wide the wood. When
surfacing rough hardwood up to 5"-6" wide I often take off 1/16 at a time
with 40 grit but normally 1/32; with 80/120 and finer, 1/48; anything finer
1/64 max. Goes pretty quick and no tear out ;)
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J. Clarke wrote:
> On 5/5/2010 9:36 AM, dadiOH wrote:
>> I'm curious...how long do you figure it would take you to make a
>> drawer? Obviously, it takes less time per unit when you are making
>> numerous but I'm talking about one drawer from rough lumber to ready
>> to finish including the following steps...
>>
>> surface lumber to thickness needed
>> rip as needed
>> crosscut as needed
>> mill work for joining (sides to back, front, bottom, etc)
>> assembly
>> sanding
>>
>> I have just one to make and figure it is going to take me at least a
>> full day but I don't move as fast as I used to. You?
>
> Too many unknowns, and do you mean how long in labor hours or in clock
> hours (noting that clock hours will be longer because it includes time
> spent waiting for glue and finish to set)? Also how big a drawer and
> what tools do you have? Running a board throw a planer takes a few
> seconds, planing one flat with hand tools takes a lot longer.
Clock. Drawer size - within reason - doesn't much matter. Usual tools,
mostly...cabinet saw, RAS, bandsaw, router table, lathe, drill press, combo
belt/disc sander, 16" drum sander.
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Lew Hodgett wrote:
> dadiOH wrote:
>> I'm curious...how long do you figure it would take you to make a
>> drawer?
> <snip>
>
> Depends.
>
> How long do you spend doing the set-ups?
>
> Doing set-ups will require at least 80% of the time.
Aye, matey, there's the rub. That and waiting for glue to dry.
____________
> Making drawers is like eating potato chips, you just can't do one<G>.
How true. Of drawers and many other things.
A number of years ago I made all the passage dors for our house. About a
dozen, IIRC. I'd rougheed out a sketh of how they were to be made and
look...solid butternut, arched top, "V" quirks in the panels. I asked my
wife if that was satisfactory, she asked me to make one - ONE! - so she
could see how it would look. I explained tha making one would take a lot of
time because I'd be in divorce court :)
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Puckdropper wrote:
> "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> I'm curious...how long do you figure it would take you to make a
>> drawer? Obviously, it takes less time per unit when you are making
>> numerous but I'm talking about one drawer from rough lumber to ready
>> to finish including the following steps...
>>
>> surface lumber to thickness needed
>> rip as needed
>> crosscut as needed
>> mill work for joining (sides to back, front, bottom, etc)
>> assembly
>> sanding
>>
>> I have just one to make and figure it is going to take me at least a
>> full day but I don't move as fast as I used to. You?
>>
>
> Stock Selection: 30 seconds to an hour (I use my scrap wood first)
> Rough Plan: 5-10 minutes
> Sawing: 30 minutes for rips, 5 for cross cuts (I usually have to cut
> bad edges off first)
> Basic jointery (screws): 5 minutes to predrill all the holes, 10 to
> clamp, align, and screw
Screws? In drawers? Uhh, OK...
__________
> Cutting replacement pieces: 10-15 minutes each. (Assuming I don't
> have to saw down thicker wood)
What's a replacement piece?
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On May 5, 9:36=A0am, "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'm curious...how long do you figure it would take you to make a drawer?
> Obviously, it takes less time per unit when you are making numerous but I=
'm
> talking about one drawer from rough lumber to ready to finish including t=
he
> following steps...
>
> surface lumber to thickness needed
> rip as needed
> crosscut as needed
> mill work for joining (sides to back, front, bottom, etc)
> assembly
> sanding
>
> I have just one to make and figure it is going to take me at least a full
> day but I don't move as fast as I used to. =A0You?
>
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This opens the oft asked question, "What is my time worth?" and
whether to make or buy items.
If your time is limited and the resulting cabinet is needed yesterday,
you might do well to purchase a complete drawer such as sold by
numerous vendors, ie Rockler has them in custom sizes and 5 different
species.
If on the other hand you are retired and you need to fill time with
cabinet work, by all means build it yourself from scratch.
A compromise might be to purchase drawer side stock, which comes in
several standard heights at lumber yards which cater to professional
cabinet makers.
Time is money!
Joe G
>
> surface lumber to thickness needed
> rip as needed
> crosscut as needed
> mill work for joining (sides to back, front, bottom, etc)
> assembly
> sanding
I do these types of estimates all the time when designing and pricing
my furniture kits (which someday I'll start selling) and then I test
my assumptions so I am getting pretty good.
I would add in one step of "Rough breakdown of stock" for sorting
selecting and rough cross cutting
20 minutes
surface lumber to thickness needed: 20 minutes with handling and setup
rip as needed: 15 minutes plus 15 minutes to cut bottom from larger
stock
crosscut as needed: assuming sled setup with high accuracy: 30 minutes
mill work for joining (sides to back, front, bottom, etc)
- Setup dovetail jig 45 minutes
- run dovetails 15 min
- setup dado\slot cutter for bottom 20 min
- run slots 15 min
- 20 minutes to setup and run roundover router for tops of drawre
sides
assembly: 20 minutes
sanding: Mostly done before assembly 15 mins 5 minutes after assembly
Add 10\15 minutes for every additional drawer you want to do.
On Wed, 5 May 2010 09:36:38 -0400, "dadiOH" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I'm curious...how long do you figure it would take you to make a drawer?
>Obviously, it takes less time per unit when you are making numerous but I'm
>talking about one drawer from rough lumber to ready to finish including the
>following steps...
>
>surface lumber to thickness needed
>rip as needed
>crosscut as needed
>mill work for joining (sides to back, front, bottom, etc)
>assembly
>sanding
>
>I have just one to make and figure it is going to take me at least a full
>day but I don't move as fast as I used to. You?
Making several at one time is certainly more time-effective. I can
make a drawer in 4 hours or up to 2 days. With handcut dovetails I
might be close to finishing one drawer in the time it takes to set up
a dovetailing jig. Turning/sanding/finishing a wooden knob might take
a half hour.
On Thu, 6 May 2010 13:55:27 -0400, "Larry C"
<[email protected]> wrote the following:
>>
>>
>> Making several at one time is certainly more time-effective. I can
>> make a drawer in 4 hours or up to 2 days. With handcut dovetails I
>> might be close to finishing one drawer in the time it takes to set up
>> a dovetailing jig. Turning/sanding/finishing a wooden knob might take
>> a half hour.
>
>It usually takes me about an hour longer than my in-laws are visiting for
>;-)
Ah, the honest answer finally surfaces. <bseg>
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> 255 minutes. =A0If I added correctly. =A0Maybe I'm not so slow after all =
when
> you add in coffee breaks =A0:)
>
So now try walking into the shop having done no prep except a good
drawing, grab some wood and see if it isn't 4 hours before you a nice
dovetailed drawer in your hands, ready to finish. And again 4 hours
and 15 minutes for 2.
One-off's are expensive.
I would say if I did this in my buddies cabinet shop it could be
almost twice as fast if he didn't have any big complex setups to undo
on any of the equipment but if doing this in a typical garage shop I
stand by my estmate.
If I was building 100 of them, I could probably build fixtures and do
effecient planning and probably get then down to 10 minutes each using
manual machinery and assembly.
SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>> 255 minutes. If I added correctly. Maybe I'm not so slow after all
>> when you add in coffee breaks :)
>>
> So now try walking into the shop having done no prep except a good
> drawing, grab some wood and see if it isn't 4 hours before you a nice
> dovetailed drawer in your hands, ready to finish. And again 4 hours
> and 15 minutes for 2.
I wasn't implying that you were slow, just that your estimate sounded pretty
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dadiOH wrote:
> I'm curious...how long do you figure it would take you to make a drawer?
> Obviously, it takes less time per unit when you are making numerous but I'm
> talking about one drawer from rough lumber to ready to finish including the
> following steps...
>
> surface lumber to thickness needed
> rip as needed
> crosscut as needed
> mill work for joining (sides to back, front, bottom, etc)
> assembly
> sanding
>
> I have just one to make and figure it is going to take me at least a full
> day but I don't move as fast as I used to. You?
>
All 'pends on what kind of drawer and what size...I could knock a bench
or inexpensive kitchen cabinet drawer together in about an hour or less;
a serpentine breakfront might be just a tad longer... :)
(OBTW, I also work faster when I'm not monitoring the wreck...)
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On 5/5/2010 9:36 AM, dadiOH wrote:
> I'm curious...how long do you figure it would take you to make a drawer?
> Obviously, it takes less time per unit when you are making numerous but I'm
> talking about one drawer from rough lumber to ready to finish including the
> following steps...
>
> surface lumber to thickness needed
> rip as needed
> crosscut as needed
> mill work for joining (sides to back, front, bottom, etc)
> assembly
> sanding
>
> I have just one to make and figure it is going to take me at least a full
> day but I don't move as fast as I used to. You?
Too many unknowns, and do you mean how long in labor hours or in clock
hours (noting that clock hours will be longer because it includes time
spent waiting for glue and finish to set)? Also how big a drawer and
what tools do you have? Running a board throw a planer takes a few
seconds, planing one flat with hand tools takes a lot longer.
On 5/5/2010 4:45 PM, dadiOH wrote:
> J. Clarke wrote:
>> On 5/5/2010 9:36 AM, dadiOH wrote:
>>> I'm curious...how long do you figure it would take you to make a
>>> drawer? Obviously, it takes less time per unit when you are making
>>> numerous but I'm talking about one drawer from rough lumber to ready
>>> to finish including the following steps...
>>>
>>> surface lumber to thickness needed
>>> rip as needed
>>> crosscut as needed
>>> mill work for joining (sides to back, front, bottom, etc)
>>> assembly
>>> sanding
>>>
>>> I have just one to make and figure it is going to take me at least a
>>> full day but I don't move as fast as I used to. You?
>>
>> Too many unknowns, and do you mean how long in labor hours or in clock
>> hours (noting that clock hours will be longer because it includes time
>> spent waiting for glue and finish to set)? Also how big a drawer and
>> what tools do you have? Running a board throw a planer takes a few
>> seconds, planing one flat with hand tools takes a lot longer.
>
> Clock.
In that case figure at least a day, possibly as long as a week,
depending on how many stages of glue-up you need and what kind of glue
and finish you're using.
> Drawer size - within reason - doesn't much matter. Usual tools,
> mostly...cabinet saw, RAS, bandsaw, router table, lathe, drill press, combo
> belt/disc sander, 16" drum sander.
How fast is that drum sander? Don't see a planer so I presume that
that's what you're going to use for thicknessing.
GROVER wrote:
> On May 5, 9:36 am, "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I'm curious...how long do you figure it would take you to make a
>> drawer? Obviously, it takes less time per unit when you are making
>> numerous but I'm talking about one drawer from rough lumber to ready
>> to finish including the following steps...
>>
>> surface lumber to thickness needed
>> rip as needed
>> crosscut as needed
>> mill work for joining (sides to back, front, bottom, etc)
>> assembly
>> sanding
>>
>> I have just one to make and figure it is going to take me at least a
>> full day but I don't move as fast as I used to. You?
>>
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>
> This opens the oft asked question, "What is my time worth?" and
> whether to make or buy items.
> If your time is limited and the resulting cabinet is needed yesterday,
> you might do well to purchase a complete drawer such as sold by
> numerous vendors, ie Rockler has them in custom sizes and 5 different
> species.
> If on the other hand you are retired and you need to fill time with
> cabinet work, by all means build it yourself from scratch.
> A compromise might be to purchase drawer side stock, which comes in
> several standard heights at lumber yards which cater to professional
> cabinet makers.
>
> Time is money!
At one time, my time was worth a good bit of money but I've been retired for
20 years (quit at 57) so now it is worth zilch. If it wasn't I would not
have contracted my house myself and done all the interior save drywall.
Some of that too.
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StephenM wrote:
>> All 'pends on what kind of drawer and what size...I could knock a
>> bench or inexpensive kitchen cabinet drawer together in about an
>> hour or less; a serpentine breakfront might be just a tad longer...
>> :)
>
> Expanding on that: Joinery makes a big difference.
>
> Dovetailed?
Yeah, sides to front. Sliding dovetail, the fronts overlay the face frame.
Backs just a rabbet into grooves on the sides, bottom in grooves all around.
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Lew Hodgett wrote:
> RE: Subject
>
> If you are going to make a drawer(s) for sale then time required to
> build is important.
>
> If OTOH, if it's not for a sale item, what difference does it make?
>
> Just cuirious.
>
> Lew
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> All 'pends on what kind of drawer and what size...I could knock a bench or
> inexpensive kitchen cabinet drawer together in about an hour or less; a
> serpentine breakfront might be just a tad longer... :)
>
Expanding on that: Joinery makes a big difference.
Dovetailed? Hand or machine? If machine, do you have experience with the
jig?
A lock rabet would take much less time.
-Steve