"Scott Lurndal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> How may production shops do _any_ hand sanding at all?
Probably more than you realize, I am not production "most of the time,
some times I am", but have 9 different electric sanders of various types and
still pull ot the sponge sanding pads for easing sharp corners.
On Oct 9, 4:44=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Festool has new fall 2009 pricing and the prickes on many items have drop=
ped
> quite a bit, up to 25%
>
> http://www.festoolusa.com/SysNotes/SysNotes-Oct-2009.html
As usual. most of the stuff is drool-worthy, but $25 for a sanding
block...? Even for Festool, that's a stretch.
R
On Oct 9, 10:44=A0pm, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Oct 9, 8:46=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > In the time it takes to do all that, I can mount an acrylic vanity
> > sink and put $ 150.00 in my pocket.
>
> BTW, bragging about your sexual peccadilloes and your man-whore ways
> isn't impressing anyone. =A0=3D:O
>
> R
LOL...peccadilloes????? WTF... are you from the 1930's?
Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
> CHANGING the subject, have you noticed the new design indexing levers on the
> new Domino's? If so do you know any thing about it?
There is a lot on the FOG " http://festoolownersgroup.com/" the general
impression is that it is because of a law suit by Maffel. Some like them
the majority preffer the old style. Also the old style are being sold at
a discount now so if you want one get it now.
I have the old style and would not want the new version.
--
>replace spamblock with my family name to e-mail me
>Pics at http://www.meekings.net/diving/index.shtml
>and http://www.meekings.net/photo-groups/nui/index.shtml
Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
> From what I can see, the
> indexing tabs would perhaps not fit the mortises very well.
Festool suggest that the indexing tabs are too close to be used to space
mortises by dropping them into an existing mortice, they should only
index from the edge of the workpiece. The Cross Stops still have
indexing pins and can be used for spacing 100mm to 205mm
--
>replace spamblock with my family name to e-mail me
>Pics at http://www.meekings.net/diving/index.shtml
>and http://www.meekings.net/photo-groups/nui/index.shtml
On Oct 9, 4:44=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Festool has new fall 2009 pricing and the prickes on many items have drop=
ped
> quite a bit, up to 25%
>
> http://www.festoolusa.com/SysNotes/SysNotes-Oct-2009.html
hmmmmmmmm
574216 Router OF 2000 E $475.00 $380.00
On Oct 11, 2:39=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
[snip]
*coughs* David Eisan, the wRECker from way back, now carries Festool.
That is becoming a very dangerous stretch of road he's on.
Federated Tool now selling General, MiniMax, Festool....., then
further down the road Gorilla CNC, then the BMW motorcycle dealer,
then Lee Valley...all within a couple of miles.
Danger, danger..lock up your credit cards and cheque books....
On Oct 12, 12:54=A0pm, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
> Robatoy <[email protected]> writes:
>
> >Milling the stock will take $ 25.00 of my time.
> >In the time it takes to do all that, I can mount an acrylic vanity
> >sink and put $ 150.00 in my pocket.
>
> A specious argument, of course, since it costs you the same amount
> of "dollars" to watch TV, wash the dishes or wash the car.
>
> scott
Hell, might as well throw sleep in there too.
I divide my day in 3 chunks of 8 hours... give or take.
Sleep 8
Family, my time, hobby time. 8
Productive work 8 hours.
Making sanding blocks is not hobby time or sleep time...it is actual
productivity time..... lost.
Every hour of shop time is accounted for at different rates, depending
what it is we're doing.
So, I get 40 hours per week during which time I need to generate all
the money I need.... and I'd be nuts to spend any of my free time
making sanding blocks that will never be as good as those I can buy
from Festool. That $ 100.00 I can make cutting out some letters for a
sign company on my CNC..WHILE I mount a vanity sink.
On Oct 9, 7:29=A0pm, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
> Robatoy <[email protected]> writes:
> >On Oct 9, 4:48=3DA0pm, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> On Oct 9, 4:44=3DA0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> > Festool has new fall 2009 pricing and the prickes on many items have=
dr=3D
> >opped
> >> > quite a bit, up to 25%
>
> >> >http://www.festoolusa.com/SysNotes/SysNotes-Oct-2009.html
>
> >> As usual. most of the stuff is drool-worthy, but $25 for a sanding
> >> block...? =3DA0Even for Festool, that's a stretch.
>
> >> R
>
> >It is not a sanding bloc. It is an adaptable ergonomic extension of
> >one's hand. YOU make one for 25 bucks. (And have it work as well.)
>
> Chunk of twobyfour, milled S4S to approx 4"Lx3"Wx1.25"D; laminate 3/16" c=
ork to one face. Choose
> dimensions to be an integral multiple of a standard sheet of sandpaper wh=
en
> long end of sandpaper wraps over top 1" of block.
>
> Attach sandpaper with two small strips of duct tape.
>
> Total cost less than USD1.00.
>
> scott
I spent $ 25.00 reading your suggestion. To try to buy a small piece
of 3/16 cork will cost me $25.00 in time and materials
Milling the stock will take $ 25.00 of my time.
In the time it takes to do all that, I can mount an acrylic vanity
sink and put $ 150.00 in my pocket.
If your time is free, you don't need a lot of tools. A brace & bit is
even cordless.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 15:39:27 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I am seriously at a point where I am going to toss all the damned
>>tools I own, heavy iron (not CNC) included and go to their track-saw
>>system. It makes too much sense. Who needs a CMS when you can do
>>everything with that table/track combo.
>
> I was thinking about that the other day. There are a few things that
> the table saw can do that the track saw can't.
>
> Running a dado blade was the first thing I thought of. Second was the
> fact that many times when I cut something, I like to cut it oversize
> and then sneak up on the final cut. That process has a significant
> visual aspect to it and I suspect that would be pretty difficult with
> the track saw. Then there's the need for cutting thinker pieces of
> stock. I don't remember exactly the maximum cutting capability of the
> track saw, but it's certainly much less than say a 10" blade in a
> table saw.
>
> I understand your angst, but I do believe there's a number of things
> the table saw is capable of doing that the track saw would fail
> miserably at. I think it's closer to being a niche market tool,
> although most certainly a very capable one.
I pinged you with a link to Festool links. There are literally hundreds of
reviews and videos of Festool products sorted by type of work. There is
bound to be an answer to all of your questions about any Festool.
I am happy however to answer any of your questions that I can.
Re: MirKa's Abranet
Cuts faster than sandpaper for each grit.
Don't bear down on them or they'll heat
up quicker than sand paper and that
heat can cause a lot of small surface checks
in the wood.
Excellent air flow for dust collection - over
the entire disk rather than just 5 or
8 holes.
Don't load up as quick as sandpaper
- AND - they can be washed with
soap and water and reused.
Like paper disks, ovehanging edges can
tear and snag.
At three times the price of sandpaper
disks, it's about a wash since the Abranet
will last about three times longer.
On Oct 12, 3:08=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Scott Lurndal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > How may production shops do _any_ hand sanding at all?
>
> Probably more than you realize, =A0I am =A0not production "most of the ti=
me,
> some times I am", but have 9 different electric sanders of various types =
and
> still pull ot the sponge sanding pads for easing sharp corners.
You mentioned, IIRC, that you use sanding sponges. There is a
noticeable difference between brands. We use them a LOT. They're
perfect for what we do.. the edges of solid surface countertops. But,
they're not all created equal. The best I have found are Dynamic brand
sponges. The sponge is firmer than others and stays together much
better during hard use. But if I can slap some PSA on the Festool
sponges...I mill be a happy, happy guy.... and how could anyone turn
down such a cool green box?
"Jerome Meekings" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1j7o6bg.183s8co11tyytyN%[email protected]...
> Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> From what I can see, the
>> indexing tabs would perhaps not fit the mortises very well.
>
> Festool suggest that the indexing tabs are too close to be used to space
> mortises by dropping them into an existing mortice, they should only
> index from the edge of the workpiece. The Cross Stops still have
> indexing pins and can be used for spacing 100mm to 205mm
I can see that, I dont think I have ever used the Domino indexing pins for
spacing from existing mortises.
> --
>>replace spamblock with my family name to e-mail me
>>Pics at http://www.meekings.net/diving/index.shtml
>>and http://www.meekings.net/photo-groups/nui/index.shtml
On Oct 10, 3:34=A0am, [email protected] wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 15:39:27 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >I am seriously at a point where I am going to toss all the damned
> >tools I own, heavy iron (not CNC) included and go to their track-saw
> >system. It makes too much sense. Who needs a CMS when you can do
> >everything with that table/track combo.
>
> I was thinking about that the other day. There are a few things that
> the table saw can do that the track saw can't.
>
> Running a dado blade was the first thing I thought of. Second was the
> fact that many times when I cut something, I like to cut it oversize
> and then sneak up on the final cut. That process has a significant
> visual aspect to it and I suspect that would be pretty difficult with
> the track saw.
Perhaps. Or maybe you'd learn to stop sneaking around and just cut
the damn thing once. ;)
> Then there's the need for cutting thinker pieces of
> stock. I don't remember exactly the maximum cutting capability of the
> track saw, but it's certainly much less than say a 10" blade in a
> table saw.
The Festool TS75 has a 8.25" blade and a cut depth of 2.75" while on
the track.
A 10" Delta TS has a 3.25" depth of cut. That can be a significant
difference, but I don't know if it qualifies for "much less".
> I understand your angst, but I do believe there's a number of things
> the table saw is capable of doing that the track saw would fail
> miserably at. I think it's closer to being a niche market tool,
> although most certainly a very capable one.
Yes, it's a niche tool - and the niche is woodworking.
R
On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 19:16:57 -0500, "Leon" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Yeah.. hummmmmmmm and the Domino is reduced quite a bit also. Although it
>may be the first design.
Looked to me to be about a 10% reduction. Not sure it would be worth
it if it was the first design. If someone's got the money to throw at
Festool, then I'd think they're not concerned much with a 10% cost
difference.
On Oct 9, 4:48=A0pm, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Oct 9, 4:44=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Festool has new fall 2009 pricing and the prickes on many items have dr=
opped
> > quite a bit, up to 25%
>
> >http://www.festoolusa.com/SysNotes/SysNotes-Oct-2009.html
>
> As usual. most of the stuff is drool-worthy, but $25 for a sanding
> block...? =A0Even for Festool, that's a stretch.
>
> R
It is not a sanding bloc. It is an adaptable ergonomic extension of
one's hand. YOU make one for 25 bucks. (And have it work as well.)
I am seriously at a point where I am going to toss all the damned
tools I own, heavy iron (not CNC) included and go to their track-saw
system. It makes too much sense. Who needs a CMS when you can do
everything with that table/track combo.
.
.
.
.
.
.
but I'll be damned if I am going to pay $ 400+ for a frickin drill.
IT'S A DRILL FFS!!!!
On Oct 9, 10:43=A0pm, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Oct 9, 8:46=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 9, 7:29=A0pm, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
>
> > > Robatoy <[email protected]> writes:
> > > >On Oct 9, 4:48=3DA0pm, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >> On Oct 9, 4:44=3DA0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > >> > Festool has new fall 2009 pricing and the prickes on many items =
have dr=3D
> > > >opped
> > > >> > quite a bit, up to 25%
>
> > > >> >http://www.festoolusa.com/SysNotes/SysNotes-Oct-2009.html
>
> > > >> As usual. most of the stuff is drool-worthy, but $25 for a sanding
> > > >> block...? =3DA0Even for Festool, that's a stretch.
>
> > > >> R
>
> > > >It is not a sanding bloc. It is an adaptable ergonomic extension of
> > > >one's hand. YOU make one for 25 bucks. (And have it work as well.)
>
> > > Chunk of twobyfour, milled S4S to approx 4"Lx3"Wx1.25"D; laminate 3/1=
6" cork to one face. Choose
> > > dimensions to be an integral multiple of a standard sheet of sandpape=
r when
> > > long end of sandpaper wraps over top 1" of block.
>
> > > Attach sandpaper with two small strips of duct tape.
>
> > > Total cost less than USD1.00.
>
> > > scott
>
> > I spent $ 25.00 reading your suggestion. To try to buy a small piece
> > of 3/16 cork will cost me $25.00 in time and materials
> > Milling the stock will take $ 25.00 of my time.
> > In the time it takes to do all that, I can mount an acrylic vanity
> > sink and put $ 150.00 in my pocket.
>
> > If your time is free, you don't need a lot of tools. A brace & bit is
> > even cordless.
>
> And my hand is not your hand - mine are talented. =A0:)~
> If I were to make a sanding block for my own, I have gobs, I tell you
> gobs, of material laying about that would work, and the block would
> fit my hand exactly, not Heinrich Festool's.
>
> When you compare apples to apples you should realize there are
> different apples. =A0Let me ask you this, mon ferret - with all of your
> skills, do you customize your tools to fit you and the way you work?
> Or are you a "that's the way they designed it, and that's the way it
> stays" type of guy?
>
> R
A block doesn't have that spongy feeling.
But hey, whatever blows up your skirt.
On Oct 12, 3:43=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:4f63044c-d0e8-444a-948a-64a601b20af3@p35g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
>
> You mentioned, IIRC, that you use sanding sponges. There is a
> noticeable difference between brands. We use them a LOT. They're
> perfect for what we do.. the edges of solid surface countertops. But,
> they're not all created equal. The best I have found are Dynamic brand
> sponges. The sponge is firmer than others and stays together much
> better during hard use. But if I can slap some PSA on the Festool
> sponges...I mill be a happy, happy guy.... and how could anyone turn
> down such a cool green box?
>
> Dynamic brand? =A0Any particular source? =A0My main complaint is the poin=
ted
> corner of a board tearing a hole in the sponge but for easing corners wit=
h
> out a rounded over edge they are perfect.
>
> I don't know about the GREEN box, =A0I think it would mess up my fungshwa=
y.
The Dynamic brand sponges will also tear when you go at a corner the
wrong way, just not as easily as the cheaper brands. I just sand
towards the corner... it takes a few more swipes, but nothing as
annoying as having the %&%^% sponge ripped out of your hands and
ending up with a palm full of hurt.
It looks like DYNAMIC might be a local/Canuckistani thing...mmmm.. I
will investigate further.
At the Toronto Woodworking Machinery show, a couple of weeks back,
there was an abrasive guy SIA(who also SOLD abrasives..snort, guffaw,
chortle) who had some nice-feeling firm sponges. Those had one grit
all around as opposed to the DYNAMIC ones which have a combo..medium/
fine or course/medium. I have his card..and I will see what I can find
out. It would be no bother to send you a box of them.
*investigating*
*investigating*
*investigating*
*investigating*
*investigating*
.
.
.
well... would you look at this.. these guys have the exact same line-
up as DYNAMIC. A safe bet they use the same source. Based in NC.
http://www.sia-abrasives.com/industries/en/awb_wood.php
"Scott Lurndal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Chunk of twobyfour, milled S4S to approx 4"Lx3"Wx1.25"D; laminate 3/16"
> cork to one face. Choose
> dimensions to be an integral multiple of a standard sheet of sandpaper
> when
> long end of sandpaper wraps over top 1" of block.
>
> Attach sandpaper with two small strips of duct tape.
>
> Total cost less than USD1.00.
>
> scott
But shape that 2x4 into the same shape as the Festool block or one that will
fit your hand the same way and you waste at least $25 of your time & buold
the box to put it in. LOL... Me, I simply don't have the need for a sanding
block that often. Althought I found a great use for those sanding sponges.
On Oct 10, 3:34=A0am, [email protected] wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 15:39:27 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >I am seriously at a point where I am going to toss all the damned
> >tools I own, heavy iron (not CNC) included and go to their track-saw
> >system. It makes too much sense. Who needs a CMS when you can do
> >everything with that table/track combo.
>
> I was thinking about that the other day. There are a few things that
> the table saw can do that the track saw can't.
>
> Running a dado blade was the first thing I thought of. Second was the
> fact that many times when I cut something, I like to cut it oversize
> and then sneak up on the final cut. That process has a significant
> visual aspect to it and I suspect that would be pretty difficult with
> the track saw.
Perhaps. Or maybe you'd learn to stop sneaking around and just cut
the damn thing once. ;)
> Then there's the need for cutting thinker pieces of
> stock. I don't remember exactly the maximum cutting capability of the
> track saw, but it's certainly much less than say a 10" blade in a
> table saw.
The Festool TS75 has a 8.25" blade and a cut depth of 2.75" while on
the track.
A 10" Delta TS has a 3.25" depth of cut. That can be a significant
difference, but I don't know if it qualifies for "much less".
> I understand your angst, but I do believe there's a number of things
> the table saw is capable of doing that the track saw would fail
> miserably at. I think it's closer to being a niche market tool,
> although most certainly a very capable one.
Yes, it's a niche tool - and the niche is woodworking.
R
"Jerome Meekings" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1j7mn7p.xn6zyuisgb9vN%[email protected]...
> Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> CHANGING the subject, have you noticed the new design indexing levers on
>> the
>> new Domino's? If so do you know any thing about it?
>
> There is a lot on the FOG " http://festoolownersgroup.com/" the general
> impression is that it is because of a law suit by Maffel. Some like them
> the majority preffer the old style. Also the old style are being sold at
> a discount now so if you want one get it now.
>
> I have the old style and would not want the new version.
Well how bout that! I was indicating to another poster that this was a
spossibly a situation similar to the PC 557 Type 2 from Type 1 because of a
patent problem on design concerning DeWalt. From what I can see, the
indexing tabs would perhaps not fit the mortises very well.
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:4f63044c-d0e8-444a-948a-64a601b20af3@p35g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
You mentioned, IIRC, that you use sanding sponges. There is a
noticeable difference between brands. We use them a LOT. They're
perfect for what we do.. the edges of solid surface countertops. But,
they're not all created equal. The best I have found are Dynamic brand
sponges. The sponge is firmer than others and stays together much
better during hard use. But if I can slap some PSA on the Festool
sponges...I mill be a happy, happy guy.... and how could anyone turn
down such a cool green box?
Dynamic brand? Any particular source? My main complaint is the pointed
corner of a board tearing a hole in the sponge but for easing corners with
out a rounded over edge they are perfect.
I don't know about the GREEN box, I think it would mess up my fungshway.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 15:44:13 -0500, "Leon" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>Festool has new fall 2009 pricing and the prickes on many items have
>>dropped
>>quite a bit, up to 25%
>
> Leon, I wanted to ask you. Recent advertising for the Domino
> advertises a 'Plus' version and some new attachments. Have you looked
> at these new differences between your Domino and the new version?
IIRC the Plus that you are referering to is the Domino FD500 Q "Set". The
set is the Domino FD500 Q "plus" the "cross stop" and the "trim stop".
Yes, I bought the domino FD 500 Q Set with those accessories. And yes IMHO
they are worth having. The trim stop aids in cutting mortises in the ends
of thin stock, too narrow to index against the indexing pins. The cross
stop lets you accurately index farther away from the corner edge of the wood
and or make mortises with indexed spacing farther apart than the indexing
pins on the Domino allow.
The original Domino and the cross stop accessory use a spring loaded
retracting steel dowel for indexing against the edge of the wood or inside a
previousely drilled mortise. The current version of the Domino seems to
have a revamped indexng system that replaced the retracting dowel with
what appears to be a spring loaded retractable lever. The cross stop
appears to continue to use the spring loaded retractable steel dowel.
Robatoy wrote:
> On Oct 11, 2:39 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> [snip]
>
> *coughs* David Eisan, the wRECker from way back, now carries Festool.
> That is becoming a very dangerous stretch of road he's on.
> Federated Tool now selling General, MiniMax, Festool....., then
> further down the road Gorilla CNC, then the BMW motorcycle dealer,
> then Lee Valley...all within a couple of miles.
> Danger, danger..lock up your credit cards and cheque books....
Har. Gonna trade SWMBO for the sander... Ouch! Dang it sweetie pie.
Didn't see you standing therrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Oooh that's gonna
leave a mark. Just kiddinggggggg! Honest!!
Erggg.
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Oct 9, 4:44 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Festool has new fall 2009 pricing and the prickes on many items have
> dropped
> quite a bit, up to 25%
>
> http://www.festoolusa.com/SysNotes/SysNotes-Oct-2009.html
hmmmmmmmm
574216 Router OF 2000 E $475.00 $380.00
Yeah.. hummmmmmmm and the Domino is reduced quite a bit also. Although it
may be the first design.
Robatoy <[email protected]> writes:
>On Oct 9, 7:29=A0pm, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
>> Robatoy <[email protected]> writes:
>> >On Oct 9, 4:48=3DA0pm, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> On Oct 9, 4:44=3DA0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >> > Festool has new fall 2009 pricing and the prickes on many items have=
> dr=3D
>> >opped
>> >> > quite a bit, up to 25%
>>
>> >> >http://www.festoolusa.com/SysNotes/SysNotes-Oct-2009.html
>>
>> >> As usual. most of the stuff is drool-worthy, but $25 for a sanding
>> >> block...? =3DA0Even for Festool, that's a stretch.
>>
>> >> R
>>
>> >It is not a sanding bloc. It is an adaptable ergonomic extension of
>> >one's hand. YOU make one for 25 bucks. (And have it work as well.)
>>
>> Chunk of twobyfour, milled S4S to approx 4"Lx3"Wx1.25"D; laminate 3/16" c=
>ork to one face. Choose
>> dimensions to be an integral multiple of a standard sheet of sandpaper wh=
>en
>> long end of sandpaper wraps over top 1" of block.
>>
>> Attach sandpaper with two small strips of duct tape.
>>
>> Total cost less than USD1.00.
>>
>> scott
>
>I spent $ 25.00 reading your suggestion. To try to buy a small piece
How may production shops do _any_ hand sanding at all?
Sanding blocks are aimed at hobby folks, for whom the above
exercise won't cost anywhere near USD150.
It sounds like you're a slow reader, too, or you charge obscene
hourly charges :-)
>of 3/16 cork will cost me $25.00 in time and materials
No kids corkboards around? You can't pick it up next time you're
at the home center/lumberyard/junkyard?
>Milling the stock will take $ 25.00 of my time.
>In the time it takes to do all that, I can mount an acrylic vanity
>sink and put $ 150.00 in my pocket.
A specious argument, of course, since it costs you the same amount
of "dollars" to watch TV, wash the dishes or wash the car.
scott
"charlieb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Re: MirKa's Abranet
>
> Cuts faster than sandpaper for each grit.
> Don't bear down on them or they'll heat
> up quicker than sand paper and that
> heat can cause a lot of small surface checks
> in the wood.
Good to know
>
> Excellent air flow for dust collection - over
> the entire disk rather than just 5 or
> 8 holes.
No doubt, but the 8 holes seem to be plenty, I did not notice an
improvement.
>
> Don't load up as quick as sandpaper
> - AND - they can be washed with
> soap and water and reused.
This seems to be a distinct advantage.
> Like paper disks, ovehanging edges can
> tear and snag.
OK, that was what I was fearfull of.
> At three times the price of sandpaper
> disks, it's about a wash since the Abranet
> will last about three times longer.
Only 3 times more? I need to look somewhere else for my refills. LOL.
IIRC my gut was telling me 5 times more expensive than Festool. IIRC this
sample pack was $20 for about 7-8 disks. Festool disks $23 for 50.
CHANGING the subject, have you noticed the new design indexing levers on the
new Domino's? If so do you know any thing about it?
Leon
Robatoy <[email protected]> writes:
>On Oct 9, 4:48=A0pm, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Oct 9, 4:44=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > Festool has new fall 2009 pricing and the prickes on many items have dr=
>opped
>> > quite a bit, up to 25%
>>
>> >http://www.festoolusa.com/SysNotes/SysNotes-Oct-2009.html
>>
>> As usual. most of the stuff is drool-worthy, but $25 for a sanding
>> block...? =A0Even for Festool, that's a stretch.
>>
>> R
>
>It is not a sanding bloc. It is an adaptable ergonomic extension of
>one's hand. YOU make one for 25 bucks. (And have it work as well.)
Chunk of twobyfour, milled S4S to approx 4"Lx3"Wx1.25"D; laminate 3/16" cork to one face. Choose
dimensions to be an integral multiple of a standard sheet of sandpaper when
long end of sandpaper wraps over top 1" of block.
Attach sandpaper with two small strips of duct tape.
Total cost less than USD1.00.
scott
[email protected] writes:
>On 09 Oct 2009 23:29:53 GMT, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal)
>wrote:
>
>>>It is not a sanding bloc. It is an adaptable ergonomic extension of
>>>one's hand. YOU make one for 25 bucks. (And have it work as well.)
>
>>Attach sandpaper with two small strips of duct tape.
>>Total cost less than USD1.00.
>
>And total time needed to make one? You need to factor in everything
15 or 20 minutes to make several (mill a single 3' 2x4, glue the cork
to it, cross cut to desired length, presto 9 or 10 blocks; enough
for one per grit. Takes longer to let the glue dry.
scott
On Oct 9, 8:16=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:250971e2-96f6-4f66-8e48-449c1d8615af@p35g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 9, 4:44 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Festool has new fall 2009 pricing and the prickes on many items have
> > dropped
> > quite a bit, up to 25%
>
> >http://www.festoolusa.com/SysNotes/SysNotes-Oct-2009.html
>
> hmmmmmmmm
> 574216 Router OF 2000 E $475.00 $380.00
>
> Yeah.. hummmmmmmm =A0and the Domino is reduced quite a bit also. =A0Altho=
ugh it
> may be the first design.
If you figure that the Milwaukee 5625 is around 300 dollars...that 80
buck difference is quickly found in MY pocket. *S*
I know somebody who has that 2000 watt Festool router...and I have
handled it, used it a bit...and I tell you...smooooooth and gobs of
power...GOBS I tell ya! GOBS!
On Oct 10, 10:55=A0am, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Oct 10, 3:34=A0am, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > Then there's the need for cutting thinker pieces of
> > stock. I don't remember exactly the maximum cutting capability of the
> > track saw, but it's certainly much less than say a 10" blade in a
> > table saw.
>
> The Festool TS75 has a 8.25" blade and a cut depth of 2.75" while on
> the track.
> A 10" Delta TS has a 3.25" depth of cut. =A0That can be a significant
> difference, but I don't know if it qualifies for "much less".
I just ran across another Festool, the AP85 (older model or overseas
model, perhaps), that has a 3.35" depth of cut.
R
On Oct 10, 3:34=A0am, [email protected] wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 15:39:27 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >I am seriously at a point where I am going to toss all the damned
> >tools I own, heavy iron (not CNC) included and go to their track-saw
> >system. It makes too much sense. Who needs a CMS when you can do
> >everything with that table/track combo.
>
> I was thinking about that the other day. There are a few things that
> the table saw can do that the track saw can't.
>
> Running a dado blade was the first thing I thought of. Second was the
> fact that many times when I cut something, I like to cut it oversize
> and then sneak up on the final cut. That process has a significant
> visual aspect to it and I suspect that would be pretty difficult with
> the track saw. Then there's the need for cutting thinker pieces of
> stock. I don't remember exactly the maximum cutting capability of the
> track saw, but it's certainly much less than say a 10" blade in a
> table saw.
>
> I understand your angst, but I do believe there's a number of things
> the table saw is capable of doing that the track saw would fail
> miserably at. I think it's closer to being a niche market tool,
> although most certainly a very capable one.
The 75 model will cut thick stock...as thick as I will ever use,
The dado is handled by the OF2000 router, using the same track.
But... I know what you're saying. The tracksaw is not a panacea.
On Oct 9, 8:46=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Oct 9, 7:29=A0pm, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal) wrote:
>
>
>
> > Robatoy <[email protected]> writes:
> > >On Oct 9, 4:48=3DA0pm, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >> On Oct 9, 4:44=3DA0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > >> > Festool has new fall 2009 pricing and the prickes on many items ha=
ve dr=3D
> > >opped
> > >> > quite a bit, up to 25%
>
> > >> >http://www.festoolusa.com/SysNotes/SysNotes-Oct-2009.html
>
> > >> As usual. most of the stuff is drool-worthy, but $25 for a sanding
> > >> block...? =3DA0Even for Festool, that's a stretch.
>
> > >> R
>
> > >It is not a sanding bloc. It is an adaptable ergonomic extension of
> > >one's hand. YOU make one for 25 bucks. (And have it work as well.)
>
> > Chunk of twobyfour, milled S4S to approx 4"Lx3"Wx1.25"D; laminate 3/16"=
cork to one face. Choose
> > dimensions to be an integral multiple of a standard sheet of sandpaper =
when
> > long end of sandpaper wraps over top 1" of block.
>
> > Attach sandpaper with two small strips of duct tape.
>
> > Total cost less than USD1.00.
>
> > scott
>
> I spent $ 25.00 reading your suggestion. To try to buy a small piece
> of 3/16 cork will cost me $25.00 in time and materials
> Milling the stock will take $ 25.00 of my time.
> In the time it takes to do all that, I can mount an acrylic vanity
> sink and put $ 150.00 in my pocket.
>
> If your time is free, you don't need a lot of tools. A brace & bit is
> even cordless.
And my hand is not your hand - mine are talented. :)~
If I were to make a sanding block for my own, I have gobs, I tell you
gobs, of material laying about that would work, and the block would
fit my hand exactly, not Heinrich Festool's.
When you compare apples to apples you should realize there are
different apples. Let me ask you this, mon ferret - with all of your
skills, do you customize your tools to fit you and the way you work?
Or are you a "that's the way they designed it, and that's the way it
stays" type of guy?
R
On Oct 9, 8:46=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> In the time it takes to do all that, I can mount an acrylic vanity
> sink and put $ 150.00 in my pocket.
BTW, bragging about your sexual peccadilloes and your man-whore ways
isn't impressing anyone. =3D:O
R
On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 15:44:13 -0500, "Leon" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Festool has new fall 2009 pricing and the prickes on many items have dropped
>quite a bit, up to 25%
Leon, I wanted to ask you. Recent advertising for the Domino
advertises a 'Plus' version and some new attachments. Have you looked
at these new differences between your Domino and the new version?
On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 15:39:27 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I am seriously at a point where I am going to toss all the damned
>tools I own, heavy iron (not CNC) included and go to their track-saw
>system. It makes too much sense. Who needs a CMS when you can do
>everything with that table/track combo.
I was thinking about that the other day. There are a few things that
the table saw can do that the track saw can't.
Running a dado blade was the first thing I thought of. Second was the
fact that many times when I cut something, I like to cut it oversize
and then sneak up on the final cut. That process has a significant
visual aspect to it and I suspect that would be pretty difficult with
the track saw. Then there's the need for cutting thinker pieces of
stock. I don't remember exactly the maximum cutting capability of the
track saw, but it's certainly much less than say a 10" blade in a
table saw.
I understand your angst, but I do believe there's a number of things
the table saw is capable of doing that the track saw would fail
miserably at. I think it's closer to being a niche market tool,
although most certainly a very capable one.
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:6dacff30-106c-4502-ac4b-b13c3d3d3c2c@g19g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...
Sneup!
.
.
.
well... would you look at this.. these guys have the exact same line-
up as DYNAMIC. A safe bet they use the same source. Based in NC.
http://www.sia-abrasives.com/industries/en/awb_wood.php
thanks I'll look in to that.
BTY my son bought me a sample pack of the Mirca Abranet disks for my
birthday a few weeks ago. I finally used them and was impressed. They seem
to last but I have not use them that much. The sample pack and "one" of
every grit. Needless to say I'll be getting a single grit pack in the
future. My only reluctance is using them in areas that could damage one
prematurely. In my latest project, the towers the was a lot of sanding on
surfaces smaller than the disk. How do these things hold up against the
occasional snag that usually tears paper up immediately? I can see using
them on large flat surfaces but am a bit shy about the edges of the
surfaces.
On 09 Oct 2009 23:29:53 GMT, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
>>It is not a sanding bloc. It is an adaptable ergonomic extension of
>>one's hand. YOU make one for 25 bucks. (And have it work as well.)
>Attach sandpaper with two small strips of duct tape.
>Total cost less than USD1.00.
And total time needed to make one? You need to factor in everything
when you're calculating your numbers. But, I have to agree, it's an
expensive version of a simple sanding block would be sufficient in 99%
of most cases.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 19:16:57 -0500, "Leon" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>Yeah.. hummmmmmmm and the Domino is reduced quite a bit also. Although
>>it
>>may be the first design.
>
> Looked to me to be about a 10% reduction. Not sure it would be worth
> it if it was the first design. If someone's got the money to throw at
> Festool, then I'd think they're not concerned much with a 10% cost
> difference.
Then again, looking at the owners manual I caonnot see the advantage to the
changed indexing system. It appears that possibly you would have to
purchase the cross stop accessory if you want to index farther in from the
edge of the board than what the Domino will do by itself. With the original
version you could use the Domino index pins in previousely cut mortises, I
am not sure that is possible with the new indexing tabs. It may be a kind
of similar situation with the PC 557 plate joiner. Type 1 was OK, Type 2
was implemented because of a patent infringement and basically sucked, Type
3 fixed Type 2 problems.
All specualtuon bit sometimes changes are not always for the good of the
consumer.