Why bother.... ?

On 7/31/2011 1:33 PM, Dave wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 12:27:57 -0500, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Not any longer ... :(
>
> Can't beautify your garden, can't save any moneyr at Rocker... You're
> not really enjoying your Sunday much are you? Condolences.

LOL. ... and got a house full of estrogen to boot ... the girls just got
back from a ten day musical tour in Alabama, Texas, Florida, Louisiana
at three this morning and are heading to all points of the compass. Can
you spell Trips to the airport?

Actually, it's good to have them all back. They can mow. :)

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"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 7/31/2011 9:52 AM, k-nuttle wrote:
>
>> You must not be a regular reader of the fine print on coupon, and the
>> like.
>
> You ASSume wrongly, Bubba ... the point is that the fine print keeps
> getting finer, so as to include more and more exclusions, and even then
> takes up half the fucking coupon.

Like all the disclaimers on all the big pharma drug ads [during the
nightly news] take up more of the 30 second spot than the plug for the drug.

Dave in Houston

On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 19:33:26 -0500, "Dave In Texas" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Like all the disclaimers on all the big pharma drug ads [during the
>nightly news] take up more of the 30 second spot than the plug for the drug.

Blame the lawyers and insurance companies for that.

"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Han <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>> > In article <[email protected]>,
>> > "Dave In Texas" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >> news:[email protected]...
>> >> > On 7/31/2011 9:52 AM, k-nuttle wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> You must not be a regular reader of the fine print on coupon, and
>> >> >> the like.
>> >> >
>> >> > You ASSume wrongly, Bubba ... the point is that the fine print
>> >> > keeps getting finer, so as to include more and more exclusions, and
>> >> > even then takes up half the fucking coupon.
>> >>
>> >> Like all the disclaimers on all the big pharma drug ads [during
>> >> the
>> >> nightly news] take up more of the 30 second spot than the plug for
>> >> the drug.
>> >>
>> >> Dave in Houston
>> >>
>> >
>> > GOT to love some of those pharma ads. Like:
>> >
>> > FLUXORANIMS to help you fight depression.
>> > .
>> > .
>> > .
>> > MAY cause feelings of suicide, irritability, murder, a craving for
>> > Celine Dijon CD's, the purchase of a Fiat.

My two favorites are for the ED drug Midixafloppin and the
antidepressant Fukirol.

Dave in Houston

"Dave in Texas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> My two favorites are for the ED drug Midixafloppin and the
> antidepressant Fukirol. <== TYPO ==> 'sposed to been Fukitol. See APBW.

Dave in Houston

On Mon, 1 Aug 2011 21:23:57 -0500, "Dave in Texas" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Dave in Texas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>> My two favorites are for the ED drug Midixafloppin and the
>> antidepressant Fukirol. <== TYPO ==> 'sposed to been Fukitol. See APBW.
>
> Dave in Houston


Good try, but they're never funny when you have to explain them.

"Swingman" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> "We have an exclusive coupon just for you! Use it to slice 20% off the
> regular price of the item of your choice."

Rocker's coupons are semi-useless, although a couple of times I've been able
to find enough stuff I wanted to make it worthwhile. Woodcraft's aren't
quite so bad, their coupons can usually get me down to the local store
(which is what they are designed to do)--like I need an excuse.

On 7/31/2011 9:52 AM, k-nuttle wrote:

> You must not be a regular reader of the fine print on coupon, and the like.

You ASSume wrongly, Bubba ... the point is that the fine print keeps
getting finer, so as to include more and more exclusions, and even then
takes up half the fucking coupon.

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On 7/31/2011 12:20 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 12:14:42 -0500, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 7/31/2011 11:59 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>> such a sale impossible. Other than that, yes, it's a come-on. What
>>> advertisement isn't?
>>
>> Yep, a come-on which has reached the status of a "turn-off" ...
>
> You've set your expectations way too high. ;-)


Not any longer ... :(

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I don't usually order from Rockler, I find their prices to be insanely high.

By comparison, Woodcraft and Lee Valley are usually less.
While Rockler has some nice items, I don't have a store near me. And
there shipping has been a profit maker too.


Woodcraft occasionally has the 20% coupon... but it excludes Festool,
Fein, Leigh and some others. But in general the list is not very long.
You usually have to spend $40 or $50 to make it valid. But recently they
had one for 20% off minimum purchase $25...

It really pays to spend more to make the savings add up.

On 7/31/2011 11:17 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 7/31/2011 9:52 AM, k-nuttle wrote:
>
>> You must not be a regular reader of the fine print on coupon, and the
>> like.
>
> You ASSume wrongly, Bubba ... the point is that the fine print keeps
> getting finer, so as to include more and more exclusions, and even then
> takes up half the fucking coupon.
>

Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Dave In Texas" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > On 7/31/2011 9:52 AM, k-nuttle wrote:
>> >
>> >> You must not be a regular reader of the fine print on coupon, and
>> >> the like.
>> >
>> > You ASSume wrongly, Bubba ... the point is that the fine print
>> > keeps getting finer, so as to include more and more exclusions, and
>> > even then takes up half the fucking coupon.
>>
>> Like all the disclaimers on all the big pharma drug ads [during
>> the
>> nightly news] take up more of the 30 second spot than the plug for
>> the drug.
>>
>> Dave in Houston
>>
>
> GOT to love some of those pharma ads. Like:
>
> FLUXORANIMS to help you fight depression.
> .
> .
> .
> MAY cause feelings of suicide, irritability, murder, a craving for
> Celine Dijon CD's, the purchase of a Fiat.

That is ad libbed a bit, Rob!!
It really is no wonder that those types of medications cut both ways.
Consult your friendly local pharmacologist - nearest medical school is
good enough.

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Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> Han <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>> > In article <[email protected]>,
>> > "Dave In Texas" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >> news:[email protected]...
>> >> > On 7/31/2011 9:52 AM, k-nuttle wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> You must not be a regular reader of the fine print on coupon,
>> >> >> and the like.
>> >> >
>> >> > You ASSume wrongly, Bubba ... the point is that the fine print
>> >> > keeps getting finer, so as to include more and more exclusions,
>> >> > and even then takes up half the fucking coupon.
>> >>
>> >> Like all the disclaimers on all the big pharma drug ads
>> >> [during the
>> >> nightly news] take up more of the 30 second spot than the plug for
>> >> the drug.
>> >>
>> >> Dave in Houston
>> >>
>> >
>> > GOT to love some of those pharma ads. Like:
>> >
>> > FLUXORANIMS to help you fight depression.
>> > .
>> > .
>> > .
>> > MAY cause feelings of suicide, irritability, murder, a craving for
>> > Celine Dijon CD's, the purchase of a Fiat.
>>
>> That is ad libbed a bit, Rob!!
>> It really is no wonder that those types of medications cut both ways.
>> Consult your friendly local pharmacologist - nearest medical school
>> is good enough.
>
> Okay.. I might have ad libbed that Fiat part...

And you didn't know I used to own Fiats. The old (second hand) 1100 was
great, the later one was not so great.


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Swingman <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> "We have an exclusive coupon just for you! Use it to slice 20% off the
> regular price of the item of your choice."
>
> Yabbut:
>
> "This offer is for Internet orders only at Rockler.com and excludes
> sale items, power tools, Leigh jigs, Porter Cable dovetail jigs,
> Festool products, CNC Shark, Rockwell Jawhorse, Rockwell Blade Runner,
> Power Sharpening systems, Direct Ship items and Rockler Gift Cards.
> This offer cannot be combined with other offers or applied to previous
> orders. This offer not valid on RocklerPro.com. Hurry, offer expires
> 8/7/11. Rockler Woodworking and Hardware reserves the right to limit
> quantities, correct errors or omissions and modify or end this
> promotion at any time."
>
> Nuff said ...
>

Swingman,

I could not agree more. My wife and I have a joke that anytime a next to
worthless coupon shows up in the mail I refer to it as a "Rockler
Coupon".

I almost never buy anything there.

Steve

On 7/31/2011 11:59 AM, [email protected] wrote:

> such a sale impossible. Other than that, yes, it's a come-on. What
> advertisement isn't?

Yep, a come-on which has reached the status of a "turn-off" ...


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On 7/31/2011 9:43 AM, Swingman wrote:
> "We have an exclusive coupon just for you! Use it to slice 20% off the
> regular price of the item of your choice."
>
> Yabbut:
>
> "This offer is for Internet orders only at Rockler.com and excludes sale
> items, power tools, Leigh jigs, Porter Cable dovetail jigs, Festool
> products, CNC Shark, Rockwell Jawhorse, Rockwell Blade Runner, Power
> Sharpening systems, Direct Ship items and Rockler Gift Cards. This offer
> cannot be combined with other offers or applied to previous orders. This
> offer not valid on RocklerPro.com. Hurry, offer expires 8/7/11. Rockler
> Woodworking and Hardware reserves the right to limit quantities, correct
> errors or omissions and modify or end this promotion at any time."
>
> Nuff said ...
>

They could shorten the exception exclusion by simply stating 20% off
except anything you would now want to buy... Or 20% of everything except
anything you would want to buy.

On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 12:27:57 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 7/31/2011 12:20 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 12:14:42 -0500, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/31/2011 11:59 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>>> such a sale impossible. Other than that, yes, it's a come-on. What
>>>> advertisement isn't?
>>>
>>> Yep, a come-on which has reached the status of a "turn-off" ...
>>
>> You've set your expectations way too high. ;-)
>
>
>Not any longer ... :(

;-)

I've always been suspect of sales. I've been seeing more of this sort of ad
recently. The first were from HF. Since they have little I want, at any
price, I guess I'm jaded to the copycats. When one of these sales comes
along, I will look through Rockler's (or Woodcraft's) catalog to see if there
is anything I want that the sale makes worthwhile buying now. Sometimes they
set a hook but not often.

BTW, just for kicks, I added a Laguna Drift Master fence ($400) to the basket.
Nope, the sale didn't take. Did I miss something in the exclusion list? ;-)

Rockler also sent out a bunch of coupons ($5 off $15, $10 off $50, and $20 off
$100, IIRC), good in-store. I'll bring them along when I go up to Atlanta,
next time.

On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 18:52:21 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 11:23:13 -0400, FrozenNorth
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>On 7/31/11 11:17 AM, Swingman wrote:
>>>> On 7/31/2011 9:52 AM, k-nuttle wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You must not be a regular reader of the fine print on coupon, and the
>>>>> like.
>>>>
>>>> You ASSume wrongly, Bubba ... the point is that the fine print keeps
>>>> getting finer, so as to include more and more exclusions, and even then
>>>> takes up half the fucking coupon.
>>>>
>>>Not only that, but they appear to have excluded everything but handtools
>>>from the list you can apply the coupon to.
>>
>>A couple of weeks ago I bagged a Forrest Dado King in a similar (25% off)
>>sale. That was worthwhile. ;-)
>
>Pffft. A couple of years ago, I bought the Ridge Carbide dado set for about
>40% less than the price of a Forrest Dado King. *That* was worthwhile.

No one around carries Ridge or I might buy them instead of Forrest blades. I
don't buy what I can't see. That said, $210 for the Dado King wasn't too bad.

On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 12:14:42 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 7/31/2011 11:59 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>
>> such a sale impossible. Other than that, yes, it's a come-on. What
>> advertisement isn't?
>
>Yep, a come-on which has reached the status of a "turn-off" ...

You've set your expectations way too high. ;-)

On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 09:43:20 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:

>"We have an exclusive coupon just for you! Use it to slice 20% off the
>regular price of the item of your choice."
>
>Yabbut:
>
>"This offer is for Internet orders only at Rockler.com and excludes sale
>items, power tools, Leigh jigs, Porter Cable dovetail jigs, Festool
>products, CNC Shark, Rockwell Jawhorse, Rockwell Blade Runner, Power
>Sharpening systems, Direct Ship items and Rockler Gift Cards. This offer
>cannot be combined with other offers or applied to previous orders. This
>offer not valid on RocklerPro.com. Hurry, offer expires 8/7/11. Rockler
>Woodworking and Hardware reserves the right to limit quantities, correct
>errors or omissions and modify or end this promotion at any time."

Sears often advertises "10% off every appliance" with no disclaimers. Go into
the store and you find that certain brands are excluded. Always Electrolux,
for instance. There are some items (Festool, Leigh and PC jigs, for sure) are
price controlled by the manufacturer. The margins on power tools would make
such a sale impossible. Other than that, yes, it's a come-on. What
advertisement isn't?

>Nuff said ...

"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "We have an exclusive coupon just for you! Use it to slice 20% off the
> regular price of the item of your choice."
>
> Yabbut:
>
> "This offer is for Internet orders only at Rockler.com and excludes sale
> items, power tools, Leigh jigs, Porter Cable dovetail jigs, Festool
> products, CNC Shark, Rockwell Jawhorse, Rockwell Blade Runner, Power
> Sharpening systems, Direct Ship items and Rockler Gift Cards. This offer
> cannot be combined with other offers or applied to previous orders. This
> offer not valid on RocklerPro.com. Hurry, offer expires 8/7/11. Rockler
> Woodworking and Hardware reserves the right to limit quantities, correct
> errors or omissions and modify or end this promotion at any time."
>
> Nuff said ...
>
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So, they had a screwdriver that was coupon eligible?

On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 11:23:13 -0400, FrozenNorth
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On 7/31/11 11:17 AM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 7/31/2011 9:52 AM, k-nuttle wrote:
>>
>>> You must not be a regular reader of the fine print on coupon, and the
>>> like.
>>
>> You ASSume wrongly, Bubba ... the point is that the fine print keeps
>> getting finer, so as to include more and more exclusions, and even then
>> takes up half the fucking coupon.
>>
>Not only that, but they appear to have excluded everything but handtools
>from the list you can apply the coupon to.

A couple of weeks ago I bagged a Forrest Dado King in a similar (25% off)
sale. That was worthwhile. ;-)

On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 12:27:57 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:

>Not any longer ... :(

Can't beautify your garden, can't save any moneyr at Rocker... You're
not really enjoying your Sunday much are you? Condolences.

On 7/31/2011 10:43 AM, Swingman wrote:
> "We have an exclusive coupon just for you! Use it to slice 20% off the
> regular price of the item of your choice."
>
> Yabbut:
>
> "This offer is for Internet orders only at Rockler.com and excludes sale
> items, power tools, Leigh jigs, Porter Cable dovetail jigs, Festool
> products, CNC Shark, Rockwell Jawhorse, Rockwell Blade Runner, Power
> Sharpening systems, Direct Ship items and Rockler Gift Cards. This offer
> cannot be combined with other offers or applied to previous orders. This
> offer not valid on RocklerPro.com. Hurry, offer expires 8/7/11. Rockler
> Woodworking and Hardware reserves the right to limit quantities, correct
> errors or omissions and modify or end this promotion at any time."
>
> Nuff said ...
>
You must not be a regular reader of the fine print on coupon, and the like.

On 7/31/11 11:17 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 7/31/2011 9:52 AM, k-nuttle wrote:
>
>> You must not be a regular reader of the fine print on coupon, and the
>> like.
>
> You ASSume wrongly, Bubba ... the point is that the fine print keeps
> getting finer, so as to include more and more exclusions, and even then
> takes up half the fucking coupon.
>
Not only that, but they appear to have excluded everything but handtools
from the list you can apply the coupon to.

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On 7/31/11 9:43 AM, Swingman wrote:
> "We have an exclusive coupon just for you! Use it to slice 20% off the
> regular price of the item of your choice."
>
> Yabbut:
>
> "This offer is for Internet orders only at Rockler.com and excludes sale
> items, power tools, Leigh jigs, Porter Cable dovetail jigs, Festool
> products, CNC Shark, Rockwell Jawhorse, Rockwell Blade Runner, Power
> Sharpening systems, Direct Ship items and Rockler Gift Cards. This offer
> cannot be combined with other offers or applied to previous orders. This
> offer not valid on RocklerPro.com. Hurry, offer expires 8/7/11. Rockler
> Woodworking and Hardware reserves the right to limit quantities, correct
> errors or omissions and modify or end this promotion at any time."
>
> Nuff said ...
>

When I buy something at the local Woodcraft and they ask if I have any
coupons, I always make sure the owner hears me reply, "Yes, but it says
right here, in small print, 'not valid on anything you'd actually want
to buy,'" just so he gets some customer feedback about how annoying
their "coupons" are. :-)


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In article <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 11:23:13 -0400, FrozenNorth
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On 7/31/11 11:17 AM, Swingman wrote:
>>> On 7/31/2011 9:52 AM, k-nuttle wrote:
>>>
>>>> You must not be a regular reader of the fine print on coupon, and the
>>>> like.
>>>
>>> You ASSume wrongly, Bubba ... the point is that the fine print keeps
>>> getting finer, so as to include more and more exclusions, and even then
>>> takes up half the fucking coupon.
>>>
>>Not only that, but they appear to have excluded everything but handtools
>>from the list you can apply the coupon to.
>
>A couple of weeks ago I bagged a Forrest Dado King in a similar (25% off)
>sale. That was worthwhile. ;-)

Pffft. A couple of years ago, I bought the Ridge Carbide dado set for about
40% less than the price of a Forrest Dado King. *That* was worthwhile.

-MIKE- wrote:
> On 7/31/11 9:43 AM, Swingman wrote:
>> "We have an exclusive coupon just for you! Use it to slice 20% off the
>> regular price of the item of your choice."
>>
>> Yabbut:
>>
>> "This offer is for Internet orders only at Rockler.com and excludes sale
>> items, power tools, Leigh jigs, Porter Cable dovetail jigs, Festool
>> products, CNC Shark, Rockwell Jawhorse, Rockwell Blade Runner, Power
>> Sharpening systems, Direct Ship items and Rockler Gift Cards. This offer
>> cannot be combined with other offers or applied to previous orders. This
>> offer not valid on RocklerPro.com. Hurry, offer expires 8/7/11. Rockler
>> Woodworking and Hardware reserves the right to limit quantities, correct
>> errors or omissions and modify or end this promotion at any time."
>>
>> Nuff said ...
>>
>
> When I buy something at the local Woodcraft and they ask if I have any
> coupons, I always make sure the owner hears me reply, "Yes, but it says
> right here, in small print, 'not valid on anything you'd actually want
> to buy,'" just so he gets some customer feedback about how annoying
> their "coupons" are. :-)

I'm glad to know I'm not the only one that feels that way. It seems like
they email them twice a week too. It occurred to me that listing brands
on the coupons is a form of marketing for the brands that are excluded:
When you read

"Festool products, CNC Shark, Rockwell Jawhorse, Rockwell Blade Runner,
Power Sharpening systems"

twice a week, something is bound to stick. Notice that this list is Not
in alphabetical order, and that the brands are mentioned toward the
beginning of the coupon. Mere coincidence? Ha. I really have no way of
knowing...I'm just sayin'.

Bill

[email protected] wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 09:43:20 -0500, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> "We have an exclusive coupon just for you! Use it to slice 20% off the
>> regular price of the item of your choice."
>>
>> Yabbut:
>>
>> "This offer is for Internet orders only at Rockler.com and excludes sale
>> items, power tools, Leigh jigs, Porter Cable dovetail jigs, Festool
>> products, CNC Shark, Rockwell Jawhorse, Rockwell Blade Runner, Power
>> Sharpening systems, Direct Ship items and Rockler Gift Cards. This offer
>> cannot be combined with other offers or applied to previous orders. This
>> offer not valid on RocklerPro.com. Hurry, offer expires 8/7/11. Rockler
>> Woodworking and Hardware reserves the right to limit quantities, correct
>> errors or omissions and modify or end this promotion at any time."
>
> Sears often advertises "10% off every appliance" with no disclaimers. Go into
> the store and you find that certain brands are excluded.

I just recieved notice of a 2 day only sale at Sears, 5% of
electronics--and, in the very fine print, they excluded Samsung, Song,
LG, and Panasonic, among others. It left me a little perturbed.

Bill



Always Electrolux,
> for instance. There are some items (Festool, Leigh and PC jigs, for sure) are
> price controlled by the manufacturer. The margins on power tools would make
> such a sale impossible. Other than that, yes, it's a come-on. What
> advertisement isn't?
>
>> Nuff said ...

Swingman wrote:
> On 7/31/2011 11:59 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>
>> such a sale impossible. Other than that, yes, it's a come-on. What
>> advertisement isn't?
>
> Yep, a come-on which has reached the status of a "turn-off" ...

The strategy may be or may have been profitable in the short run, but...

On 7/31/11 5:47 PM, Bill wrote:
> -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 7/31/11 9:43 AM, Swingman wrote:
>>> "We have an exclusive coupon just for you! Use it to slice 20% off the
>>> regular price of the item of your choice."
>>>
>>> Yabbut:
>>>
>>> "This offer is for Internet orders only at Rockler.com and excludes sale
>>> items, power tools, Leigh jigs, Porter Cable dovetail jigs, Festool
>>> products, CNC Shark, Rockwell Jawhorse, Rockwell Blade Runner, Power
>>> Sharpening systems, Direct Ship items and Rockler Gift Cards. This offer
>>> cannot be combined with other offers or applied to previous orders. This
>>> offer not valid on RocklerPro.com. Hurry, offer expires 8/7/11. Rockler
>>> Woodworking and Hardware reserves the right to limit quantities, correct
>>> errors or omissions and modify or end this promotion at any time."
>>>
>>> Nuff said ...
>>>
>>
>> When I buy something at the local Woodcraft and they ask if I have any
>> coupons, I always make sure the owner hears me reply, "Yes, but it says
>> right here, in small print, 'not valid on anything you'd actually want
>> to buy,'" just so he gets some customer feedback about how annoying
>> their "coupons" are. :-)
>
> I'm glad to know I'm not the only one that feels that way. It seems like
> they email them twice a week too. It occurred to me that listing brands
> on the coupons is a form of marketing for the brands that are excluded:
> When you read
>
> "Festool products, CNC Shark, Rockwell Jawhorse, Rockwell Blade Runner,
> Power Sharpening systems"
>
> twice a week, something is bound to stick. Notice that this list is Not
> in alphabetical order, and that the brands are mentioned toward the
> beginning of the coupon. Mere coincidence? Ha. I really have no way of
> knowing...I'm just sayin'.
>
> Bill
>

I told them once, "if you guys want to make the fine print big enough to
read, why don't you print what's NOT excluded."


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[email protected] wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 18:55:06 -0400, Bill<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 09:43:20 -0500, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "We have an exclusive coupon just for you! Use it to slice 20% off the
>>>> regular price of the item of your choice."
>>>>
>>>> Yabbut:
>>>>
>>>> "This offer is for Internet orders only at Rockler.com and excludes sale
>>>> items, power tools, Leigh jigs, Porter Cable dovetail jigs, Festool
>>>> products, CNC Shark, Rockwell Jawhorse, Rockwell Blade Runner, Power
>>>> Sharpening systems, Direct Ship items and Rockler Gift Cards. This offer
>>>> cannot be combined with other offers or applied to previous orders. This
>>>> offer not valid on RocklerPro.com. Hurry, offer expires 8/7/11. Rockler
>>>> Woodworking and Hardware reserves the right to limit quantities, correct
>>>> errors or omissions and modify or end this promotion at any time."
>>>
>>> Sears often advertises "10% off every appliance" with no disclaimers. Go into
>>> the store and you find that certain brands are excluded.
>>
>> I just recieved notice of a 2 day only sale at Sears, 5% of
>> electronics--and, in the very fine print, they excluded Samsung, Song,
>> LG, and Panasonic, among others. It left me a little perturbed.
>
> Now imagine having shown up at their door, only to be told that they were just
> kidding. Sears is about the only company that I will no longer do business
> with. The last "tool sale" was the final straw, not that I've bought much
> there in decades anyway.

I thought the 5% off electronics was pretty minimal anyway. Then to
exclude Samsung, Sony, LG, and Panasonic. And all electronics under
$799. Gosh, what's left? Yeah, Bose and Onkyo were excluded too.
Yep, it just made me mad that they wasted my time presenting me with an
offer that was so hard to decipher. Of course, that's the whole point...

Bill

On 8/01/11 10:19 AM, Robatoy wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>,
> "Dave In Texas"<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> "Swingman"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On 7/31/2011 9:52 AM, k-nuttle wrote:
>>>
>>>> You must not be a regular reader of the fine print on coupon, and the
>>>> like.
>>>
>>> You ASSume wrongly, Bubba ... the point is that the fine print keeps
>>> getting finer, so as to include more and more exclusions, and even then
>>> takes up half the fucking coupon.
>>
>> Like all the disclaimers on all the big pharma drug ads [during the
>> nightly news] take up more of the 30 second spot than the plug for the drug.
>>
>> Dave in Houston
>>
>
> GOT to love some of those pharma ads. Like:
>
> FLUXORANIMS to help you fight depression.
> .
> .
> .
> MAY cause feelings of suicide, irritability, murder, a craving for
> Celine Dijon CD's, the purchase of a Fiat.

Celine Dijon causes feelings of projectile vomiting.

--
Froz...


The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.

Steve wrote:
> Swingman<[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> "We have an exclusive coupon just for you! Use it to slice 20% off the
>> regular price of the item of your choice."
>>
>> Yabbut:
>>
>> "This offer is for Internet orders only at Rockler.com and excludes
>> sale items, power tools, Leigh jigs, Porter Cable dovetail jigs,
>> Festool products, CNC Shark, Rockwell Jawhorse, Rockwell Blade Runner,
>> Power Sharpening systems, Direct Ship items and Rockler Gift Cards.
>> This offer cannot be combined with other offers or applied to previous
>> orders. This offer not valid on RocklerPro.com. Hurry, offer expires
>> 8/7/11. Rockler Woodworking and Hardware reserves the right to limit
>> quantities, correct errors or omissions and modify or end this
>> promotion at any time."
>>
>> Nuff said ...
>>
>
> Swingman,
>
> I could not agree more. My wife and I have a joke that anytime a next to
> worthless coupon shows up in the mail I refer to it as a "Rockler
> Coupon".
>
> I almost never buy anything there.
>
> Steve


Don't laugh, they've got two of my email addresses, so everytime they
send you a coupon they send me two! I emailed them to take one of the
addresses off of their list, but apparently it didn't take.. With luck,
I'll train myself to ignore both of them, but I always seem to be
curious as to what's on sale...

Bill

On 7/31/2011 12:55 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 11:23:13 -0400, FrozenNorth
> <[email protected]> wrote:

>> Not only that, but they appear to have excluded everything but handtools
>>from the list you can apply the coupon to.
>
> A couple of weeks ago I bagged a Forrest Dado King in a similar (25% off)
> sale. That was worthwhile. ;-)

I "bagged" an 8" Freud Dado set with a 20% off coupon. Worst damned saw
I ever owned. Will never buy another Freud product. My 40 year old 7"
non-carbide Craftsman was much better (before I hit the nail...)


I had a nice Olson (for less money) in my hand. Live and learn...

--
Jack
Take risks: If you win, you'll be happy; if you lose, you'll be wise.
http://jbstein.com

On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 21:54:02 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:

>[email protected] wrote:
>> On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 18:55:06 -0400, Bill<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 09:43:20 -0500, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "We have an exclusive coupon just for you! Use it to slice 20% off the
>>>>> regular price of the item of your choice."
>>>>>
>>>>> Yabbut:
>>>>>
>>>>> "This offer is for Internet orders only at Rockler.com and excludes sale
>>>>> items, power tools, Leigh jigs, Porter Cable dovetail jigs, Festool
>>>>> products, CNC Shark, Rockwell Jawhorse, Rockwell Blade Runner, Power
>>>>> Sharpening systems, Direct Ship items and Rockler Gift Cards. This offer
>>>>> cannot be combined with other offers or applied to previous orders. This
>>>>> offer not valid on RocklerPro.com. Hurry, offer expires 8/7/11. Rockler
>>>>> Woodworking and Hardware reserves the right to limit quantities, correct
>>>>> errors or omissions and modify or end this promotion at any time."
>>>>
>>>> Sears often advertises "10% off every appliance" with no disclaimers. Go into
>>>> the store and you find that certain brands are excluded.
>>>
>>> I just recieved notice of a 2 day only sale at Sears, 5% of
>>> electronics--and, in the very fine print, they excluded Samsung, Song,
>>> LG, and Panasonic, among others. It left me a little perturbed.
>>
>> Now imagine having shown up at their door, only to be told that they were just
>> kidding. Sears is about the only company that I will no longer do business
>> with. The last "tool sale" was the final straw, not that I've bought much
>> there in decades anyway.
>
>I thought the 5% off electronics was pretty minimal anyway. Then to
>exclude Samsung, Sony, LG, and Panasonic. And all electronics under
>$799. Gosh, what's left? Yeah, Bose and Onkyo were excluded too.
>Yep, it just made me mad that they wasted my time presenting me with an
>offer that was so hard to decipher. Of course, that's the whole point...

5% is pretty lame but there really isn't much margin in this stuff. The whole
point is to get you in the store; bait and switch works. Sears has been
famous for this crap for years.

On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 09:43:20 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>offer not valid on RocklerPro.com. Hurry, offer expires 8/7/11. Rockler
>Woodworking and Hardware reserves the right to limit quantities, correct
>errors or omissions and modify or end this promotion at any time."
>
>Nuff said ...

Send them a bill for wasting your time with a useless ad and for
polluting the environment with a wasted print ad.

On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 18:55:06 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:

>[email protected] wrote:
>> On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 09:43:20 -0500, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> "We have an exclusive coupon just for you! Use it to slice 20% off the
>>> regular price of the item of your choice."
>>>
>>> Yabbut:
>>>
>>> "This offer is for Internet orders only at Rockler.com and excludes sale
>>> items, power tools, Leigh jigs, Porter Cable dovetail jigs, Festool
>>> products, CNC Shark, Rockwell Jawhorse, Rockwell Blade Runner, Power
>>> Sharpening systems, Direct Ship items and Rockler Gift Cards. This offer
>>> cannot be combined with other offers or applied to previous orders. This
>>> offer not valid on RocklerPro.com. Hurry, offer expires 8/7/11. Rockler
>>> Woodworking and Hardware reserves the right to limit quantities, correct
>>> errors or omissions and modify or end this promotion at any time."
>>
>> Sears often advertises "10% off every appliance" with no disclaimers. Go into
>> the store and you find that certain brands are excluded.
>
>I just recieved notice of a 2 day only sale at Sears, 5% of
>electronics--and, in the very fine print, they excluded Samsung, Song,
>LG, and Panasonic, among others. It left me a little perturbed.

Now imagine having shown up at their door, only to be told that they were just
kidding. Sears is about the only company that I will no longer do business
with. The last "tool sale" was the final straw, not that I've bought much
there in decades anyway.

On Tue, 02 Aug 2011 11:14:50 -0400, Jack Stein <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 7/31/2011 12:55 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 11:23:13 -0400, FrozenNorth
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> Not only that, but they appear to have excluded everything but handtools
>>>from the list you can apply the coupon to.
>>
>> A couple of weeks ago I bagged a Forrest Dado King in a similar (25% off)
>> sale. That was worthwhile. ;-)
>
>I "bagged" an 8" Freud Dado set with a 20% off coupon. Worst damned saw
>I ever owned. Will never buy another Freud product. My 40 year old 7"
>non-carbide Craftsman was much better (before I hit the nail...)

I've had a Freud set for a couple of years. No big issues with it. I'll
probably still use it for MDF and such. Perhaps yours was defective? I've
read of even Forrests coming unsharpened.

>I had a nice Olson (for less money) in my hand. Live and learn...

In article <[email protected]>,
Han <[email protected]> wrote:

> Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > "Dave In Texas" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]...
> >> > On 7/31/2011 9:52 AM, k-nuttle wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> You must not be a regular reader of the fine print on coupon, and
> >> >> the like.
> >> >
> >> > You ASSume wrongly, Bubba ... the point is that the fine print
> >> > keeps getting finer, so as to include more and more exclusions, and
> >> > even then takes up half the fucking coupon.
> >>
> >> Like all the disclaimers on all the big pharma drug ads [during
> >> the
> >> nightly news] take up more of the 30 second spot than the plug for
> >> the drug.
> >>
> >> Dave in Houston
> >>
> >
> > GOT to love some of those pharma ads. Like:
> >
> > FLUXORANIMS to help you fight depression.
> > .
> > .
> > .
> > MAY cause feelings of suicide, irritability, murder, a craving for
> > Celine Dijon CD's, the purchase of a Fiat.
>
> That is ad libbed a bit, Rob!!
> It really is no wonder that those types of medications cut both ways.
> Consult your friendly local pharmacologist - nearest medical school is
> good enough.

Okay.. I might have ad libbed that Fiat part...

In article <[email protected]>,
Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:

> "We have an exclusive coupon just for you! Use it to slice 20% off the
> regular price of the item of your choice."
>
> Yabbut:
>
> "This offer is for Internet orders only at Rockler.com and excludes sale
> items, power tools, Leigh jigs, Porter Cable dovetail jigs, Festool
> products, CNC Shark, Rockwell Jawhorse, Rockwell Blade Runner, Power
> Sharpening systems, Direct Ship items and Rockler Gift Cards. This offer
> cannot be combined with other offers or applied to previous orders. This
> offer not valid on RocklerPro.com. Hurry, offer expires 8/7/11. Rockler
> Woodworking and Hardware reserves the right to limit quantities, correct
> errors or omissions and modify or end this promotion at any time."
>
> Nuff said ...

Farking reeeediculous.

In article <[email protected]>,
"Dave In Texas" <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On 7/31/2011 9:52 AM, k-nuttle wrote:
> >
> >> You must not be a regular reader of the fine print on coupon, and the
> >> like.
> >
> > You ASSume wrongly, Bubba ... the point is that the fine print keeps
> > getting finer, so as to include more and more exclusions, and even then
> > takes up half the fucking coupon.
>
> Like all the disclaimers on all the big pharma drug ads [during the
> nightly news] take up more of the 30 second spot than the plug for the drug.
>
> Dave in Houston
>

GOT to love some of those pharma ads. Like:

FLUXORANIMS to help you fight depression.
.
.
.
MAY cause feelings of suicide, irritability, murder, a craving for
Celine Dijon CD's, the purchase of a Fiat.