From newbe homeowner. I have a KitchenAid dishwasher, 8 years old.
The motor has started whining alot. It can be easily heard from across
the house.
Looks like the replacement cost for the motor is about $170 and
replacement cost for the same model dishwasher is about $550.
Which is smarter in general, fix or replace?
To say on topic, I clean some of my woodworking tools in the dishwasher ; )
Thanks,
Bill
In article <[email protected]>, Bill <[email protected]>
wrote:
> From newbe homeowner. I have a KitchenAid dishwasher, 8 years old.
> The motor has started whining alot. It can be easily heard from across
> the house.
>
> Looks like the replacement cost for the motor is about $170 and
> replacement cost for the same model dishwasher is about $550.
>
> Which is smarter in general, fix or replace?
>
>
> To say on topic, I clean some of my woodworking tools in the dishwasher ; )
>
> Thanks,
> Bill
It may not be the motor. Check for clogging in the water lines, and the
spray arms.
On 2/5/2011 8:33 PM, Bill wrote:
> From newbe homeowner. I have a KitchenAid dishwasher, 8 years old. The
> motor has started whining alot. It can be easily heard from across the
> house.
>
> Looks like the replacement cost for the motor is about $170 and
> replacement cost for the same model dishwasher is about $550.
>
> Which is smarter in general, fix or replace?
>
>
> To say on topic, I clean some of my woodworking tools in the dishwasher ; )
>
> Thanks,
> Bill
You may have a wood chip in the impeller. Some dis-assembly and
inspection may be in order.
--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email
.
>
> I owe it to my wallet to remove a few parts and take a closer look (If I
> can't locate a diagram online). =A0If I don't find bearings I can replace=
,
> I'll replace the unit. =A0For those that would be concerned, I'll turn th=
e
> power off at the breaker.
>
> Thank you,
> Bill- Hide quoted text -
Bill
There is lots of information online. Also the pump and associated
parts frequently include a garbage disposal. Gtet a manual at your
friendly appliance parts store. Also I am sure manuals are available
from Kitchenaid.
Bob AZ
"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Bill wrote:
>
>>
>> Not sure what you mean--but I think your earlier suggestion to
>> replace
>> the darned thing seems like a reasonable suggestion, even a learned
>> one.
>
> Give your local appliance parts house a call Bill. You will be
> surprised at how much these guys know about fixing appliances.
> After all - they sell all the parts for the ones that break.
Experience says your probability of getting a helpful response
increases when
you physically go in and when you go in early on a weekday other than
Monday.
The first point explains itself. On the second, some folk are still
working off
the weekend on Monday and not overjoyed at renewing the grind. Also,
an
early visit means that troublesome customer contacts haven't already
built up
to the point of wearing out the employee's goodwill reservoir.
Regards,
Edward Hennessey
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> [email protected]
>
On Feb 5, 8:33=A0pm, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
> =A0From newbe homeowner. =A0I have a KitchenAid dishwasher, 8 years old.
> The motor has started whining alot. It can be easily heard from across
> the house.
>
> Looks like the replacement cost for the motor is about $170 and
> replacement cost for the same model dishwasher is about $550.
>
> Which is smarter in general, fix or replace?
>
> To say on topic, I clean some of my woodworking tools in the dishwasher ;=
)
>
> Thanks,
> Bill
Bill,
I had the same problem a couple of years ago. It was a 2 year
old one. The warranty on labor was over; the warranty on parts was
still in effect. The story was that I could call their representative
to come and diagnose the probelm($65). The he would order the parts
(free) and come to install them ($65). So much for the warranty!
For $130 I had to look.
I found the problem. The seal between the impeller and the
motor had leaked - destroying the bearing on the motor. I had the
bearing replaced for $70 and replaced the impeller ($20). But, now I
can do it myself the next time! By the way, the motor and impeller
were made in - u guessed it - China.
Len
?
"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> From newbe homeowner. I have a KitchenAid dishwasher, 8 years old. The
> motor has started whining alot. It can be easily heard from across the
> house.
>
> Looks like the replacement cost for the motor is about $170 and
> replacement cost for the same model dishwasher is about $550.
>
> Which is smarter in general, fix or replace?
>
>
> To say on topic, I clean some of my woodworking tools in the dishwasher
> ; )
>
> Thanks,
> Bill
The machine should last another 8 years with a repair. Unless you have
other issues, fix it. Be sure it is the motor and not some other component
making the noise, such as pump or bearing someplace.
"Bill" wrote:
> From newbe homeowner. I have a KitchenAid dishwasher, 8 years old.
> The motor has started whining alot. It can be easily heard from
> across the house.
>
> Looks like the replacement cost for the motor is about $170 and
> replacement cost for the same model dishwasher is about $550.
>
> Which is smarter in general, fix or replace?
--------------------------------
8 years old tips the balance, time to replace.
Lew
"Bill" wrote:
--------------------------
>> Live& Learn.
>>
>> After all you're not dealing with the Maytag man here.
>>
>> Lew
----------------------------
>
> Not sure what you mean--but I think your earlier suggestion to
> replace
> the darned thing seems like a reasonable suggestion, even a learned
> one.
>
> Bill
--------------------------------
You learn quick.<G>
Lew
Some food for thought
Assume one hour per use, one use per day, 365 days per year, 8 years
of service to date.
365(8) = 2920 hours of service to date.
My guess is that the design B-10 life (point at which 90% of units
have not failed) is somewhere around 5,000 hours.
(It may be a lot less)
B-10 is a statistics term often used as a design life point, IOW,
the unit has consumed approximately 60% of it trouble free
service life.
As a recent homeowner, you have yet to learn about the slippery slope
of increasing repairs you face with household appliances as they age.
Clothes washers, clothes driers, and dish washers are the worst
followed by microwaves.
Stoves and refrigerators (Ice maker excluded) tend to have a much
longer service life.
Having to pull the appliance out of a cubby hole to gain access to the
innards, all the time making sure you don't plow a groove in the floor
covering gets your juices flowing, especially at 10:00PM on a work
night.
Then realizing that you don't have the special tool the repairman has
to get at a special screw in order to make the repair, frustrated you
ask yourself, "How the F**K do I get out of this mess?"
You have two choices, go down the road above or wisely avoid the trap.
DAMHIKT
There was a time in my life when the only things I would not try were
brain surgery and laying concrete, but I'm learning, the list is
longer these days.
Lew
"knuttle" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2/5/2011 9:33 PM, Bill wrote:
>> From newbe homeowner. I have a KitchenAid dishwasher, 8 years old. The
>> motor has started whining alot. It can be easily heard from across the
>> house.
>>
>> Looks like the replacement cost for the motor is about $170 and
>> replacement cost for the same model dishwasher is about $550.
>>
>> Which is smarter in general, fix or replace?
>>
>>
>> To say on topic, I clean some of my woodworking tools in the dishwasher
>> ; )
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bill
>
> As said else where in this thread check all of the belts, idler arms etc.
> before giving up on the machine. If it turns out to definitely be the
> motor I would replace the unit. After 8 years there are probably spot
> that are nearly rusted through and a many other things that are about to
> let go. If you are the one to tell your wife "lets go get a new dish
> washer" you will look like a hero.
>
> We had a washing machine that after replacing every part in it, I decided
> to replace it, but since I had fixed it so many times my wife insisted
> that I look at it. It turned out to be a $2 resistor.
Yes, it may not be the motor. I had a Maytag many years ago start making
noise, it got louder and louder over several months until it sounded like it
was grinding gravel. A replacement pump solved the problem. The pump
bearings had leaked detergent into the internal parts and corroded the balls
and raceway. It went silent after the replacement until other problems
started a few years later.
On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 18:03:20 -0500, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>Larry Jaques wrote:
>> On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 09:58:05 -0500, Bill<[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/7/2011 9:25 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 06 Feb 2011 20:05:38 -0500, Bill<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Lobby Dosser wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> But you still have not said what WW tools you put in the dishwasher!
>>>>>
>>>>> Obviously, most of the ones that won't seem to fit anywhere else! All
>>>>> the space under the bed and dressers is already taken...
>>>>>
>>>>> Seriously, since I started collecting old tools, I feel a little like a
>>>>> "hoarder".
>>>>
>>>> Tell me about it. I'm more of a tool collector than a woodworker.
>>>
>>> What is your current or next project?
>>
>> Outside:
>> Current- I need to finish the metal patio cover for the back yard and
>> Next- build another storage shed.
>>
>> Future furniture- I have the lumber, foam, batting, thread, fabrics,
>> webbing, and webbing clips for a new couch, but no freakin' _shop_
>> space in which to do it. (hence, the shed first)
>
>Sounds like some good projects. I'm surprised you are still working on
>that patio cover. It's been a while, no? ; )
Touche, Mr. Unfinished Lighting Man.
--
If the American people ever allow private banks to control
the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by
deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up
around them will deprive the people of all property until
their children wake up homeless on the continent their
Fathers conquered...I believe that banking institutions
are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies...
The issuing power should be taken from the banks and
restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.
--Thomas Jefferson
On Feb 6, 10:16=A0am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Some food for thought
>
> Assume one hour per use, one use per day, 365 days per year, 8 years
> of service to date.
>
> 365(8) =3D 2920 hours of service to date.
>
> My guess is that the design B-10 life (point at which 90% of units
> have not failed) is somewhere around 5,000 hours.
Failures, on the other hand, can be VERY easy to repair; the RCA S-100
module-swap televisions had 60% good modules returned for 'rebuild'
service, meaning that RESEATING THE CONNECTOR was all
that most repairs ever required. The noise in this case possibly
isn't
the (single moving part) motor/rotor assembly at all (it'd squeak, or
leak, or hum, but unless something's out of balance, not vibrate).
It could even be water hammer (i.e. in the pipes, not related to
the dishwasher at all).
Dishwashers, and Skilsaws (note WW content!), are 'durable goods'
and well worth repair.
Reduce, reuse, recycle.
On Feb 5, 9:33=A0pm, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
> =A0From newbe homeowner. =A0I have a KitchenAid dishwasher, 8 years old.
> The motor has started whining alot. It can be easily heard from across
> the house.
>
> Looks like the replacement cost for the motor is about $170 and
> replacement cost for the same model dishwasher is about $550.
>
> Which is smarter in general, fix or replace?
>
> To say on topic, I clean some of my woodworking tools in the dishwasher ;=
)
>
> Thanks,
> Bill
I don't know if this rule of thumb is valuable to a news group
dedicated to repairing and fixing. The ROT is once the cost of
repair exceeds 50% of replacement value, it's time to replace.
Joe G
On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 22:37:15 -0500, "Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>?
>"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote
>> Prior to getting the Kitchen Aid we had a Lady Kenmore, manufactured by
>> Whirlpool. It still ran great after 14 years however the baskets were
>> beginning to rust and stain the dishes. Both baskets replacement cost was
>> around $400 and we decided to put that into a new unit.
>>
>> After returning the KitchenAid we went back to the Kenmore Elite built by
>> Whirlpool. We are the type of people that don't wash the dishes before
>> putting them into the dishwasher. We remove bones and seeds.
>>
>> We just bought a new home and traded the unused GE dishwasher for a
>> Whirlpool Gold series. We are very pleased with the unit and expect at
>> least 14 years of use. I still prefer the Kenmore version of the
>> Whirlpool, it has larger utensil baskets. Sears would not take a trade
>> in.
>
>Kitchen Aid is also made by Whirlpool. I'm on my third KA in 45 years. #1
>was still working when we moved, #2 was good for over 20 years, #3 is still
>humming along perfectly. Considering how well they wash dishes, I'd not
>consider another brand. Yours evidently had a defect of some sort.
Sadly whirlpool is not the same old whirlpool.
"past experience is no predictor of future behaviour"
On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 18:45:16 -0500, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>Gerald Ross wrote:
>
>> We bought a Bosch in 2000. It lasted two years before the plastic parts
>> in the door disintegrated. Replaced it with a Maytag and so far so good.
>>
>
>Funny, when I was looking at dishwashers online the other day, I ruled
>out the Bosch one, despite it's high ratings, because I had never heard
>of Bosch mentioned in the context of dishwashers before. Of course, I
>have never frequented such conversations. The verdict is still out
>here. We still have a working, albeit loud, machine (which probably
>needs a new water inlet (solenoid) valve)...
>
>Bill
Interesting tidbit - when we were buying appliances 3 years ago,
whirlpool washer was made in Germany (as well as some models in
Mexico) and the only fully AMERICAN built machine was --- you guessed
it - the BOSCH.
"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> From newbe homeowner. I have a KitchenAid dishwasher, 8 years old. The
> motor has started whining alot. It can be easily heard from across the
> house.
>
> Looks like the replacement cost for the motor is about $170 and
> replacement cost for the same model dishwasher is about $550.
>
> Which is smarter in general, fix or replace?
>
>
> To say on topic, I clean some of my woodworking tools in the dishwasher
> ; )
>
> Thanks,
> Bill
I have actually worked on dishwashers and with a similar problem. It could
also be the water pump making that noise, it basically run when the motor
runs.
A dish washer is not terribly hard to work on if you pull it out and tip it
over so you can get to the bottom where the motor is. I replace our first
dishwasher water pump/and motor with it setting in place under the counter.
Silly me.
My sister bought a KitchenAid and it did not last as long as yours, 15 years
ago. My wife and I bought a KitchenAid about 5 years ago and returned it to
Sears shortly after purchase, it was a $1000+ unit and it did not clean.
Prior to getting the Kitchen Aid we had a Lady Kenmore, manufactured by
Whirlpool. It still ran great after 14 years however the baskets were
beginning to rust and stain the dishes. Both baskets replacement cost was
around $400 and we decided to put that into a new unit.
After returning the KitchenAid we went back to the Kenmore Elite built by
Whirlpool. We are the type of people that don't wash the dishes before
putting them into the dishwasher. We remove bones and seeds.
We just bought a new home and traded the unused GE dishwasher for a
Whirlpool Gold series. We are very pleased with the unit and expect at
least 14 years of use. I still prefer the Kenmore version of the Whirlpool,
it has larger utensil baskets. Sears would not take a trade in.
"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> From newbe homeowner. I have a KitchenAid dishwasher, 8 years old. The
> motor has started whining alot. It can be easily heard from across the
> house.
>
> Looks like the replacement cost for the motor is about $170 and
> replacement cost for the same model dishwasher is about $550.
>
> Which is smarter in general, fix or replace?
How about finding a good appliance repairman? Even a $250 repair bill
would be the better bargain if the unit is good for another eight years.
Dave in Houston
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> "Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > From newbe homeowner. I have a KitchenAid dishwasher, 8 years old. The
> > motor has started whining alot. It can be easily heard from across the
> > house.
> >
> > Looks like the replacement cost for the motor is about $170 and
> > replacement cost for the same model dishwasher is about $550.
> >
> > Which is smarter in general, fix or replace?
> >
> >
> > To say on topic, I clean some of my woodworking tools in the dishwasher
> > ; )
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bill
>
> I believe in repairing things if not too costly. Bought new a Whirlpool
> washer in 1961 and a Whirlpool dryer in 1967. Did minor repairs on both and
> in 1997 gave them both to a son. He is still using them. He has replaced the
> pump and belt. Think how much it would have cost if we replaced those items
> when ever they had a problem. Also the newer Chinese crap won't last half as
> long. WW
Got a Maytag washer and dryer in 1979 that replaced the ones that the
movers mangled. Since then I've replaced a belt, a couple of hoses, a
timer, and a fan. And they still work as well as they ever did. I
don't see any point in replacing them.
I currently have a Bosch, it's so quite I have opened it up during a run
cycle. I forgot to look for the red light on the floor.
It has been a great dishwasher.
I think the only unit still made in America is Hotpoint. Most everything
else is outside the US.
Funny how each company makes a dishwasher for the other companies.
Seems like they manage it on production line, not manufacturer.
On 2/8/2011 6:45 PM, Bill wrote:
> Gerald Ross wrote:
>
>> We bought a Bosch in 2000. It lasted two years before the plastic parts
>> in the door disintegrated. Replaced it with a Maytag and so far so good.
>>
>
> Funny, when I was looking at dishwashers online the other day, I ruled
> out the Bosch one, despite it's high ratings, because I had never heard
> of Bosch mentioned in the context of dishwashers before. Of course, I
> have never frequented such conversations. The verdict is still out here.
> We still have a working, albeit loud, machine (which probably needs a
> new water inlet (solenoid) valve)...
>
> Bill
Bill wrote:
>
> Not sure what you mean--but I think your earlier suggestion to replace
> the darned thing seems like a reasonable suggestion, even a learned
> one.
Give your local appliance parts house a call Bill. You will be surprised at
how much these guys know about fixing appliances. After all - they sell all
the parts for the ones that break.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Leon wrote:
> "Bill"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> From newbe homeowner. I have a KitchenAid dishwasher, 8 years old. The
>> motor has started whining alot. It can be easily heard from across the
>> house.
>>
>> Looks like the replacement cost for the motor is about $170 and
>> replacement cost for the same model dishwasher is about $550.
>>
>> Which is smarter in general, fix or replace?
>>
>>
>> To say on topic, I clean some of my woodworking tools in the dishwasher
>> ; )
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bill
>
>
> I have actually worked on dishwashers and with a similar problem. It could
> also be the water pump making that noise, it basically run when the motor
> runs.
>
> A dish washer is not terribly hard to work on if you pull it out and tip it
> over so you can get to the bottom where the motor is. I replace our first
> dishwasher water pump/and motor with it setting in place under the counter.
> Silly me.
>
> My sister bought a KitchenAid and it did not last as long as yours, 15 years
> ago. My wife and I bought a KitchenAid about 5 years ago and returned it to
> Sears shortly after purchase, it was a $1000+ unit and it did not clean.
>
> Prior to getting the Kitchen Aid we had a Lady Kenmore, manufactured by
> Whirlpool. It still ran great after 14 years however the baskets were
> beginning to rust and stain the dishes. Both baskets replacement cost was
> around $400 and we decided to put that into a new unit.
>
> After returning the KitchenAid we went back to the Kenmore Elite built by
> Whirlpool. We are the type of people that don't wash the dishes before
> putting them into the dishwasher. We remove bones and seeds.
>
> We just bought a new home and traded the unused GE dishwasher for a
> Whirlpool Gold series. We are very pleased with the unit and expect at
> least 14 years of use. I still prefer the Kenmore version of the Whirlpool,
> it has larger utensil baskets. Sears would not take a trade in.
>
>
We bought a Bosch in 2000. It lasted two years before the plastic
parts in the door disintegrated. Replaced it with a Maytag and so far
so good.
--
Gerald Ross
Cochran, GA
I thought I was mistaken but I was
mistaken.
?
"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Gerald Ross wrote:
>
>> We bought a Bosch in 2000. It lasted two years before the plastic parts
>> in the door disintegrated. Replaced it with a Maytag and so far so good.
>>
>
> Funny, when I was looking at dishwashers online the other day, I ruled out
> the Bosch one, despite it's high ratings, because I had never heard of
> Bosch mentioned in the context of dishwashers before. Of course, I have
> never frequented such conversations. The verdict is still out here. We
> still have a working, albeit loud, machine (which probably needs a new
> water inlet (solenoid) valve)...
>
> Bill
My local appliance dealer will sell you one if you insist, but says they
have a very high call back rate for warranty repairs. Good when they work,
but too often they don't.
On Feb 5, 9:33=A0pm, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
> Which is smarter in general, fix or replace?
If it ain't broke . . .
How many such motors have you replaced?
Anything else in there that might be "going?"
Why is there a whining? Is it the motor? Sure?
On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 18:45:16 -0500, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>Gerald Ross wrote:
>
>> We bought a Bosch in 2000. It lasted two years before the plastic parts
>> in the door disintegrated. Replaced it with a Maytag and so far so good.
>>
>
>Funny, when I was looking at dishwashers online the other day, I ruled
>out the Bosch one, despite it's high ratings, because I had never heard
>of Bosch mentioned in the context of dishwashers before. Of course, I
>have never frequented such conversations. The verdict is still out
>here. We still have a working, albeit loud, machine (which probably
>needs a new water inlet (solenoid) valve)...
Bosch is a very well known brand. We didn't go that way because they don't
use a food grinder so you have to clean the strainer/filter. Yuck. We bought
an Electrolux instead. It's almost silent. So far (two years) we're
extremely happy with it. We've slowly been replacing the contractor specials
with Electrolux appliances (microwave Sunday and the range, perhaps in the
Spring, will finish the project off).
"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> From newbe homeowner. I have a KitchenAid dishwasher, 8 years old. The
> motor has started whining alot. It can be easily heard from across the
> house.
>
> Looks like the replacement cost for the motor is about $170 and
> replacement cost for the same model dishwasher is about $550.
>
> Which is smarter in general, fix or replace?
>
>
> To say on topic, I clean some of my woodworking tools in the dishwasher
> ; )
>
You do what?!
Swingman wrote:
> On 2/5/2011 8:33 PM, Bill wrote:
>> From newbe homeowner. I have a KitchenAid dishwasher, 8 years old. The
>> motor has started whining alot. It can be easily heard from across the
>> house.
>>
>> Looks like the replacement cost for the motor is about $170 and
>> replacement cost for the same model dishwasher is about $550.
>>
>> Which is smarter in general, fix or replace?
>
> Hard to tell without seeing the general condition of the unit, but
> replacement at that age is generally not a bad move considering the
> cost, and probably increased efficiency, of a new one.
>
Thank you.
Bill
Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> ?
> "Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> From newbe homeowner. I have a KitchenAid dishwasher, 8 years old. The
>> motor has started whining alot. It can be easily heard from across the
>> house.
>>
>> Looks like the replacement cost for the motor is about $170 and
>> replacement cost for the same model dishwasher is about $550.
>>
>> Which is smarter in general, fix or replace?
>>
>>
>> To say on topic, I clean some of my woodworking tools in the
>> dishwasher ; )
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bill
>
> The machine should last another 8 years with a repair. Unless you have
> other issues, fix it. Be sure it is the motor and not some other
> component making the noise, such as pump or bearing someplace.
I'll try to double-check. The fact that the unit still basically
operates suggested to me that the problem was probably a bad bearing. I
assumed, perhaps incorrectly, that this would mean it would be necessary
to replace the motor.
I owe it to my wallet to remove a few parts and take a closer look (If I
can't locate a diagram online). If I don't find bearings I can replace,
I'll replace the unit. For those that would be concerned, I'll turn the
power off at the breaker.
Thank you,
Bill
Bob AZ wrote:
> .
>>
>> I owe it to my wallet to remove a few parts and take a closer look (If I
>> can't locate a diagram online). If I don't find bearings I can replace,
>> I'll replace the unit. For those that would be concerned, I'll turn the
>> power off at the breaker.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Bill- Hide quoted text -
>
> Bill
>
> There is lots of information online. Also the pump and associated
> parts frequently include a garbage disposal. Gtet a manual at your
> friendly appliance parts store. Also I am sure manuals are available
> from Kitchenaid.
>
> Bob AZ
>
Just for fun, I just took off the "lower spray arm" hoping to find a
bearing nearby (hint: it's not lefty-tighty, righty-lucy"). I just
realized the problem is not likely to be there since:
Problem sound only occurs when that arm is spinning (with water) and the
vibrations seems to be dominant in the left front (user's POV), but I
could be off by a few inches. Will do my homework...
Bill
Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> ?
> "Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Bob AZ wrote:
>>> .
>>>>
>>>> I owe it to my wallet to remove a few parts and take a closer look
>>>> (If I
>>>> can't locate a diagram online). If I don't find bearings I can replace,
>>>> I'll replace the unit. For those that would be concerned, I'll turn the
>>>> power off at the breaker.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Bill- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> There is lots of information online. Also the pump and associated
>>> parts frequently include a garbage disposal. Gtet a manual at your
>>> friendly appliance parts store. Also I am sure manuals are available
>>> from Kitchenaid.
>>>
>>> Bob AZ
>>>
>>
>> Just for fun, I just took off the "lower spray arm" hoping to find a
>> bearing nearby (hint: it's not lefty-tighty, righty-lucy"). I just
>> realized the problem is not likely to be there since:
>>
>> Problem sound only occurs when that arm is spinning (with water) and
>> the vibrations seems to be dominant in the left front (user's POV),
>> but I could be off by a few inches. Will do my homework...
>>
>> Bill
>
> That leads me away from the motor. Try running it with the arm removed
> and see if it is still making noise.
I should have added "bottom left front" (behind the lower access port).
I watched a video that made the motor replacement look like quite the
chore. They removed the dishwasher and turned it on it's back... Maybe
it's more fun than it looks? -lol
Bill
Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Bill" wrote:
>
>> I watched a video that made the motor replacement look like quite
>> the chore. They removed the dishwasher and turned it on it's back...
>> Maybe it's more fun than it looks? -lol
> -----------------------------
> Live& Learn.
>
> After all you're not dealing with the Maytag man here.
>
> Lew
Not sure what you mean--but I think your earlier suggestion to replace
the darned thing seems like a reasonable suggestion, even a learned one.
Bill
On 2/5/2011 9:33 PM, Bill wrote:
> From newbe homeowner. I have a KitchenAid dishwasher, 8 years old. The
> motor has started whining alot. It can be easily heard from across the
> house.
>
> Looks like the replacement cost for the motor is about $170 and
> replacement cost for the same model dishwasher is about $550.
>
> Which is smarter in general, fix or replace?
>
>
> To say on topic, I clean some of my woodworking tools in the dishwasher ; )
>
> Thanks,
> Bill
As said else where in this thread check all of the belts, idler arms
etc. before giving up on the machine. If it turns out to definitely be
the motor I would replace the unit. After 8 years there are probably
spot that are nearly rusted through and a many other things that are
about to let go. If you are the one to tell your wife "lets go get a
new dish washer" you will look like a hero.
We had a washing machine that after replacing every part in it, I
decided to replace it, but since I had fixed it so many times my wife
insisted that I look at it. It turned out to be a $2 resistor.
GROVER wrote:
> On Feb 5, 9:33 pm, Bill<[email protected]> wrote:
>> From newbe homeowner. I have a KitchenAid dishwasher, 8 years old.
>> The motor has started whining alot. It can be easily heard from across
>> the house.
>>
>> Looks like the replacement cost for the motor is about $170 and
>> replacement cost for the same model dishwasher is about $550.
>>
>> Which is smarter in general, fix or replace?
>>
>> To say on topic, I clean some of my woodworking tools in the dishwasher ; )
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bill
>
> I don't know if this rule of thumb is valuable to a news group
> dedicated to repairing and fixing. The ROT is once the cost of
> repair exceeds 50% of replacement value, it's time to replace.
>
> Joe G
Lew said:
{
Having to pull the appliance out of a cubby hole to gain access to the
innards, all the time making sure you don't plow a groove in the floor
covering gets your juices flowing, especially at 10:00PM on a work
night.
Then realizing that you don't have the special tool the repairman has
to get at a special screw in order to make the repair, frustrated you
ask yourself, "How the F**K do I get out of this mess?"
You have two choices, go down the road above or wisely avoid the trap.
}
--- My dad would have sided with Lew. I've got a 15 year old television
that I would not repair if it broke either. It seems to help me to
think of it like that than as a ($) opportunity lost...lol
Thank you for your help and support folks!
Bill
"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> GROVER wrote:
>> On Feb 5, 9:33 pm, Bill<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> From newbe homeowner. I have a KitchenAid dishwasher, 8 years old.
>>> The motor has started whining alot. It can be easily heard from across
>>> the house.
>>>
>>> Looks like the replacement cost for the motor is about $170 and
>>> replacement cost for the same model dishwasher is about $550.
>>>
>>> Which is smarter in general, fix or replace?
>>>
>>> To say on topic, I clean some of my woodworking tools in the dishwasher
>>> ; )
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Bill
>>
>> I don't know if this rule of thumb is valuable to a news group
>> dedicated to repairing and fixing. The ROT is once the cost of
>> repair exceeds 50% of replacement value, it's time to replace.
>>
>> Joe G
>
>
> Lew said:
> {
> Having to pull the appliance out of a cubby hole to gain access to the
> innards, all the time making sure you don't plow a groove in the floor
> covering gets your juices flowing, especially at 10:00PM on a work
> night.
>
> Then realizing that you don't have the special tool the repairman has
> to get at a special screw in order to make the repair, frustrated you
> ask yourself, "How the F**K do I get out of this mess?"
>
> You have two choices, go down the road above or wisely avoid the trap.
> }
>
> --- My dad would have sided with Lew. I've got a 15 year old television
> that I would not repair if it broke either. It seems to help me to think
> of it like that than as a ($) opportunity lost...lol
> Thank you for your help and support folks!
>
> Bill
But you still have not said what WW tools you put in the dishwasher!
--
"He's not the Messiah. He's a very naughty boy! "
Brian's Mum
Lobby Dosser wrote:
> But you still have not said what WW tools you put in the dishwasher!
Obviously, most of the ones that won't seem to fit anywhere else! All
the space under the bed and dressers is already taken...
Seriously, since I started collecting old tools, I feel a little like a
"hoarder".
Bill
Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> ?
> "Bill" <[email protected]> wrote
>>
>> I should have added "bottom left front" (behind the lower access port).
>> I watched a video that made the motor replacement look like quite the
>> chore. They removed the dishwasher and turned it on it's back... Maybe
>> it's more fun than it looks? -lol
>>
>> Bill
>
> You may find the pump and/or solenoid valve in that area. I think you
> need more troubleshooting before taking the motor out.
I believe in my unit that the pump and the main motor are sold as a
single module/assembly. Given the "whining" that occurs (not my
whining), I'm not sure there's much left to consider. Does the solenoid
valve do anything that could cause a lot of noise?
Bill
"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Lobby Dosser wrote:
>
>> But you still have not said what WW tools you put in the dishwasher!
>
> Obviously, most of the ones that won't seem to fit anywhere else! All the
> space under the bed and dressers is already taken...
>
> Seriously, since I started collecting old tools, I feel a little like a
> "hoarder".
>
> Bill
>
Oh, Jeez! Don't talk about hoarding! Wife's got me reading a book on
hoarding. She's got the idea that my valuable collections of books, tools,
cameras, model railroad stuff, and magazines is somehow hoarding. You're not
a Real Hoarder until stuff like a couch can't be used for its intended
purpose.
You can obviously still run the dishwasher if you can hear it whine. Say,
you haven't left a cordless tool running in there have you?
--
"He's not the Messiah. He's a very naughty boy! "
Brian's Mum
"WW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> From newbe homeowner. I have a KitchenAid dishwasher, 8 years old. The
>> motor has started whining alot. It can be easily heard from across the
>> house.
>>
>> Looks like the replacement cost for the motor is about $170 and
>> replacement cost for the same model dishwasher is about $550.
>>
>> Which is smarter in general, fix or replace?
>>
>>
>> To say on topic, I clean some of my woodworking tools in the dishwasher
>> ; )
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bill
>
> I believe in repairing things if not too costly. Bought new a Whirlpool
> washer in 1961 and a Whirlpool dryer in 1967. Did minor repairs on both
> and in 1997 gave them both to a son. He is still using them. He has
> replaced the pump and belt. Think how much it would have cost if we
> replaced those items when ever they had a problem. Also the newer Chinese
> crap won't last half as long. WW
>
If he bought it 8 years ago, it was already 'Chinese crap'. The newer
Chinese stuff is actually better.
--
"He's not the Messiah. He's a very naughty boy! "
Brian's Mum
On 2/7/2011 8:29 AM, Leon wrote:
> We just bought a new home and traded the unused GE dishwasher for a
> Whirlpool Gold series. We are very pleased with the unit and expect at
> least 14 years of use. I still prefer the Kenmore version of the Whirlpool,
> it has larger utensil baskets. Sears would not take a trade in.
>
>
Thank you for your detailed review. This will help me when I look at
them (Sears has a 15% off sale Sunday evening...).
Bill
On 2/7/2011 9:25 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Sun, 06 Feb 2011 20:05:38 -0500, Bill<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Lobby Dosser wrote:
>>
>>> But you still have not said what WW tools you put in the dishwasher!
>>
>> Obviously, most of the ones that won't seem to fit anywhere else! All
>> the space under the bed and dressers is already taken...
>>
>> Seriously, since I started collecting old tools, I feel a little like a
>> "hoarder".
>
> Tell me about it. I'm more of a tool collector than a woodworker.
What is your current or next project?
Bill
>
> --
> If the American people ever allow private banks to control
> the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by
> deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up
> around them will deprive the people of all property until
> their children wake up homeless on the continent their
> Fathers conquered...I believe that banking institutions
> are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies...
> The issuing power should be taken from the banks and
> restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.
> --Thomas Jefferson
Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 09:58:05 -0500, Bill<[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2/7/2011 9:25 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>>> On Sun, 06 Feb 2011 20:05:38 -0500, Bill<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Lobby Dosser wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> But you still have not said what WW tools you put in the dishwasher!
>>>>
>>>> Obviously, most of the ones that won't seem to fit anywhere else! All
>>>> the space under the bed and dressers is already taken...
>>>>
>>>> Seriously, since I started collecting old tools, I feel a little like a
>>>> "hoarder".
>>>
>>> Tell me about it. I'm more of a tool collector than a woodworker.
>>
>> What is your current or next project?
>
> Outside:
> Current- I need to finish the metal patio cover for the back yard and
> Next- build another storage shed.
>
> Future furniture- I have the lumber, foam, batting, thread, fabrics,
> webbing, and webbing clips for a new couch, but no freakin' _shop_
> space in which to do it. (hence, the shed first)
Sounds like some good projects. I'm surprised you are still working on
that patio cover. It's been a while, no? ; )
Bill
>
> --
> If the American people ever allow private banks to control
> the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by
> deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up
> around them will deprive the people of all property until
> their children wake up homeless on the continent their
> Fathers conquered...I believe that banking institutions
> are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies...
> The issuing power should be taken from the banks and
> restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.
> --Thomas Jefferson
Bob AZ wrote:
> .
>>
>> I owe it to my wallet to remove a few parts and take a closer look (If I
>> can't locate a diagram online). If I don't find bearings I can replace,
>> I'll replace the unit. For those that would be concerned, I'll turn the
>> power off at the breaker.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Bill- Hide quoted text -
>
> Bill
>
> There is lots of information online. Also the pump and associated
> parts frequently include a garbage disposal. Gtet a manual at your
> friendly appliance parts store. Also I am sure manuals are available
> from Kitchenaid.
>
> Bob AZ
>
I did find the "installation manual" online which made me realize that
there can be more to an install than one might suspect.
Listening to it humm just now... I couldn't resist getting on my hands
and knees to take a look. The sound is Definitely coming from the front
left bottom corner. Right now, it feels like 10PM and I'm getting ready
for work tomorrow, but I'll remove the access cover and peek inside
later....
Bill
Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> ?
> "Bill" <[email protected]> wrote
>>
>> I should have added "bottom left front" (behind the lower access port).
>> I watched a video that made the motor replacement look like quite the
>> chore. They removed the dishwasher and turned it on it's back... Maybe
>> it's more fun than it looks? -lol
>>
>> Bill
>
> You may find the pump and/or solenoid valve in that area. I think you
> need more troubleshooting before taking the motor out.
I think you are right. I think the extra whiney noises at the end of
each wash cycle may give some extra credo to your solenoid valve
suggestion. The location of the noise (left bottom front) as well.
Thanks,
Bill
Gerald Ross wrote:
> We bought a Bosch in 2000. It lasted two years before the plastic parts
> in the door disintegrated. Replaced it with a Maytag and so far so good.
>
Funny, when I was looking at dishwashers online the other day, I ruled
out the Bosch one, despite it's high ratings, because I had never heard
of Bosch mentioned in the context of dishwashers before. Of course, I
have never frequented such conversations. The verdict is still out
here. We still have a working, albeit loud, machine (which probably
needs a new water inlet (solenoid) valve)...
Bill
Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> ?
> "Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Gerald Ross wrote:
>>
>>> We bought a Bosch in 2000. It lasted two years before the plastic parts
>>> in the door disintegrated. Replaced it with a Maytag and so far so good.
>>>
>>
>> Funny, when I was looking at dishwashers online the other day, I ruled
>> out the Bosch one, despite it's high ratings, because I had never
>> heard of Bosch mentioned in the context of dishwashers before. Of
>> course, I have never frequented such conversations. The verdict is
>> still out here. We still have a working, albeit loud, machine (which
>> probably needs a new water inlet (solenoid) valve)...
>>
>> Bill
>
> My local appliance dealer will sell you one if you insist, but says they
> have a very high call back rate for warranty repairs. Good when they
> work, but too often they don't.
I can get at least 2 or 3 just for the price of a visit from my local
Sears store ($129)...and they'd probably install the same kind.
Bill
Hoosierpopi wrote:
> On Feb 5, 9:33 pm, Bill<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>> Which is smarter in general, fix or replace?
>
> If it ain't broke . . .
>
> How many such motors have you replaced?
>
> Anything else in there that might be "going?"
>
> Why is there a whining? Is it the motor? Sure?
>
Based upon symptoms, I think it's the water inlet (solenoid) valve now.
Won't know for sure until I have time to take the cover off this weekend.
Bill
In article <[email protected]>,
Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>?
><[email protected]> wrote
>>
>> The only? Electrolux is US made, as well.
>
>Electrolux bought Frigidaire that was a part of the Edison Electric and
>White Consolidated Industries group. They have plants in many countries
>but I long ago lost track of what is made where. Many large appliances
>were made in the US though. They moved air conditioners to Mexico at one
>point and they were built with compressors from China. They also build a
>half dozen brands at each plant.
>
No doubt Electrolux has plants all over the world, but it is a Swedish company
and globally is ranked as the 2nd largest appliance manufacturer.
--
There are no stupid questions, but there are lots of stupid answers.
Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org
Bill wrote:
> From newbe homeowner. I have a KitchenAid dishwasher, 8 years old.
> The motor has started whining alot. It can be easily heard from across
> the house.
>
> Looks like the replacement cost for the motor is about $170 and
> replacement cost for the same model dishwasher is about $550.
>
> Which is smarter in general, fix or replace?
>
>
> To say on topic, I clean some of my woodworking tools in the
> dishwasher ; )
Keep using it while watching CraigsList. I often see dishwashers for free.
Pick up one or two as spares for the day when yours finally croaks.
On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 09:58:05 -0500, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 2/7/2011 9:25 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>> On Sun, 06 Feb 2011 20:05:38 -0500, Bill<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Lobby Dosser wrote:
>>>
>>>> But you still have not said what WW tools you put in the dishwasher!
>>>
>>> Obviously, most of the ones that won't seem to fit anywhere else! All
>>> the space under the bed and dressers is already taken...
>>>
>>> Seriously, since I started collecting old tools, I feel a little like a
>>> "hoarder".
>>
>> Tell me about it. I'm more of a tool collector than a woodworker.
>
>What is your current or next project?
My next project is your drill press' twin. ;-) The CFO approves, so in a
couple of weeks...
I'm still working on my shop in the garage attic. At the rate I'm going it'll
be another year (I'll miss this insulation season). :-(
?
<[email protected]> wrote
>
> The only? Electrolux is US made, as well.
Electrolux bought Frigidaire that was a part of the Edison Electric and
White Consolidated Industries group. They have plants in many countries
but I long ago lost track of what is made where. Many large appliances
were made in the US though. They moved air conditioners to Mexico at one
point and they were built with compressors from China. They also build a
half dozen brands at each plant.
On Sun, 06 Feb 2011 20:05:38 -0500, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>Lobby Dosser wrote:
>
>> But you still have not said what WW tools you put in the dishwasher!
>
>Obviously, most of the ones that won't seem to fit anywhere else! All
>the space under the bed and dressers is already taken...
>
>Seriously, since I started collecting old tools, I feel a little like a
>"hoarder".
Tell me about it. I'm more of a tool collector than a woodworker.
--
If the American people ever allow private banks to control
the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by
deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up
around them will deprive the people of all property until
their children wake up homeless on the continent their
Fathers conquered...I believe that banking institutions
are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies...
The issuing power should be taken from the banks and
restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.
--Thomas Jefferson
On Sat, 05 Feb 2011 20:44:25 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 2/5/2011 8:33 PM, Bill wrote:
>> From newbe homeowner. I have a KitchenAid dishwasher, 8 years old. The
>> motor has started whining alot. It can be easily heard from across the
>> house.
>>
>> Looks like the replacement cost for the motor is about $170 and
>> replacement cost for the same model dishwasher is about $550.
>>
>> Which is smarter in general, fix or replace?
>
>Hard to tell without seeing the general condition of the unit, but
>replacement at that age is generally not a bad move considering the
>cost, and probably increased efficiency, of a new one.
Another consideration should be whether or not the mfgr switched to a
Chiwanese factory between then and now, and if that change affects (or
completely does away with) the quality and longevity of the product.
I hadn't done enough research on my washer/dryer, so when I bought the
"Made by Maytag" Magic Chef units, the washer motor blew within the
first month and the dryer bearings were innately defective, an
engineering problem which was not correctable.
--
Doubt 'til thou canst doubt no more...doubt is thought and thought
is life. Systems which end doubt are devices for drugging thought.
-- Albert Guerard
?
"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote
> I believe in my unit that the pump and the main motor are sold as a single
> module/assembly. Given the "whining" that occurs (not my whining), I'm
> not sure there's much left to consider. Does the solenoid valve do
> anything that could cause a lot of noise?
>
> Bill
Properly operating, it is either open or closed with a little hum from the
magnet when held open. If the magnet it getting a bad signal, it can
vibrate.
"HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Keep using it while watching CraigsList. I often see dishwashers for free.
> Pick up one or two as spares for the day when yours finally croaks.
Then you'd have to store it somewhere, perhaps for years.
You only have to extrapolate that a few years to wind up with a collection
of spares
that will effectively crowd out all your scrap lumber [with which you were
going to
build something useful an d unique as soon as you get around to it].
Then where would you be?
Dave in Houston
?
"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> I should have added "bottom left front" (behind the lower access port).
> I watched a video that made the motor replacement look like quite the
> chore. They removed the dishwasher and turned it on it's back... Maybe
> it's more fun than it looks? -lol
>
> Bill
You may find the pump and/or solenoid valve in that area. I think you need
more troubleshooting before taking the motor out.
"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> From newbe homeowner. I have a KitchenAid dishwasher, 8 years old. The
> motor has started whining alot. It can be easily heard from across the
> house.
>
> Looks like the replacement cost for the motor is about $170 and
> replacement cost for the same model dishwasher is about $550.
>
> Which is smarter in general, fix or replace?
>
>
> To say on topic, I clean some of my woodworking tools in the dishwasher
> ; )
>
> Thanks,
> Bill
I believe in repairing things if not too costly. Bought new a Whirlpool
washer in 1961 and a Whirlpool dryer in 1967. Did minor repairs on both and
in 1997 gave them both to a son. He is still using them. He has replaced the
pump and belt. Think how much it would have cost if we replaced those items
when ever they had a problem. Also the newer Chinese crap won't last half as
long. WW
On 2/5/2011 8:33 PM, Bill wrote:
> From newbe homeowner. I have a KitchenAid dishwasher, 8 years old. The
> motor has started whining alot. It can be easily heard from across the
> house.
>
> Looks like the replacement cost for the motor is about $170 and
> replacement cost for the same model dishwasher is about $550.
>
> Which is smarter in general, fix or replace?
Hard to tell without seeing the general condition of the unit, but
replacement at that age is generally not a bad move considering the
cost, and probably increased efficiency, of a new one.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)
On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 09:58:05 -0500, Bill <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 2/7/2011 9:25 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>> On Sun, 06 Feb 2011 20:05:38 -0500, Bill<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Lobby Dosser wrote:
>>>
>>>> But you still have not said what WW tools you put in the dishwasher!
>>>
>>> Obviously, most of the ones that won't seem to fit anywhere else! All
>>> the space under the bed and dressers is already taken...
>>>
>>> Seriously, since I started collecting old tools, I feel a little like a
>>> "hoarder".
>>
>> Tell me about it. I'm more of a tool collector than a woodworker.
>
>What is your current or next project?
Outside:
Current- I need to finish the metal patio cover for the back yard and
Next- build another storage shed.
Future furniture- I have the lumber, foam, batting, thread, fabrics,
webbing, and webbing clips for a new couch, but no freakin' _shop_
space in which to do it. (hence, the shed first)
--
If the American people ever allow private banks to control
the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by
deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up
around them will deprive the people of all property until
their children wake up homeless on the continent their
Fathers conquered...I believe that banking institutions
are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies...
The issuing power should be taken from the banks and
restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.
--Thomas Jefferson
On 2/6/2011 7:52 AM, knuttle wrote:
> On 2/5/2011 9:33 PM, Bill wrote:
>> From newbe homeowner. I have a KitchenAid dishwasher, 8 years old. The
>> motor has started whining alot. It can be easily heard from across the
>> house.
>>
>> Looks like the replacement cost for the motor is about $170 and
>> replacement cost for the same model dishwasher is about $550.
>>
>> Which is smarter in general, fix or replace?
>>
>>
>> To say on topic, I clean some of my woodworking tools in the
>> dishwasher ; )
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bill
>
> As said else where in this thread check all of the belts, idler arms
> etc. before giving up on the machine. If it turns out to definitely be
> the motor I would replace the unit. After 8 years there are probably
> spot that are nearly rusted through and a many other things that are
> about to let go. If you are the one to tell your wife "lets go get a new
> dish washer" you will look like a hero.
>
> We had a washing machine that after replacing every part in it, I
> decided to replace it, but since I had fixed it so many times my wife
> insisted that I look at it. It turned out to be a $2 resistor.
"belts and idler arms" ????
--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email
On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 22:53:09 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
>On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 18:45:16 -0500, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Gerald Ross wrote:
>>
>>> We bought a Bosch in 2000. It lasted two years before the plastic parts
>>> in the door disintegrated. Replaced it with a Maytag and so far so good.
>>>
>>
>>Funny, when I was looking at dishwashers online the other day, I ruled
>>out the Bosch one, despite it's high ratings, because I had never heard
>>of Bosch mentioned in the context of dishwashers before. Of course, I
>>have never frequented such conversations. The verdict is still out
>>here. We still have a working, albeit loud, machine (which probably
>>needs a new water inlet (solenoid) valve)...
>>
>>Bill
> Interesting tidbit - when we were buying appliances 3 years ago,
>whirlpool washer was made in Germany (as well as some models in
>Mexico) and the only fully AMERICAN built machine was --- you guessed
>it - the BOSCH.
The only? Electrolux is US made, as well.
?
"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Bob AZ wrote:
>> .
>>>
>>> I owe it to my wallet to remove a few parts and take a closer look (If I
>>> can't locate a diagram online). If I don't find bearings I can replace,
>>> I'll replace the unit. For those that would be concerned, I'll turn the
>>> power off at the breaker.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Bill- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> There is lots of information online. Also the pump and associated
>> parts frequently include a garbage disposal. Gtet a manual at your
>> friendly appliance parts store. Also I am sure manuals are available
>> from Kitchenaid.
>>
>> Bob AZ
>>
>
> Just for fun, I just took off the "lower spray arm" hoping to find a
> bearing nearby (hint: it's not lefty-tighty, righty-lucy"). I just
> realized the problem is not likely to be there since:
>
> Problem sound only occurs when that arm is spinning (with water) and the
> vibrations seems to be dominant in the left front (user's POV), but I
> could be off by a few inches. Will do my homework...
>
> Bill
That leads me away from the motor. Try running it with the arm removed and
see if it is still making noise.
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"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote
> Prior to getting the Kitchen Aid we had a Lady Kenmore, manufactured by
> Whirlpool. It still ran great after 14 years however the baskets were
> beginning to rust and stain the dishes. Both baskets replacement cost was
> around $400 and we decided to put that into a new unit.
>
> After returning the KitchenAid we went back to the Kenmore Elite built by
> Whirlpool. We are the type of people that don't wash the dishes before
> putting them into the dishwasher. We remove bones and seeds.
>
> We just bought a new home and traded the unused GE dishwasher for a
> Whirlpool Gold series. We are very pleased with the unit and expect at
> least 14 years of use. I still prefer the Kenmore version of the
> Whirlpool, it has larger utensil baskets. Sears would not take a trade
> in.
Kitchen Aid is also made by Whirlpool. I'm on my third KA in 45 years. #1
was still working when we moved, #2 was good for over 20 years, #3 is still
humming along perfectly. Considering how well they wash dishes, I'd not
consider another brand. Yours evidently had a defect of some sort.