The devil is probably making me do this =;^}
But apparently things have changed over the past 3-5 years. With 14
posts on dust collection plumbing, and mention of the term "PVC", you
would expect to get at least one "Yur gonna blow yurself all to hell"
comment.
We must be smarter or just mellowing. :)
RonB
This is the best price I have found.
http://www.pennstateind.com/store/D50.html
You just reminded me that I need another length. :-)
Deb
SBH wrote:
> Any suggestions where I can find the best prices on 4" dust collection
> hoses? Has anyone used an alternative such as metal flex hoses or water
> drain hoses?
>
> Thanks
RonB <[email protected]> wrote in news:cbd6d1b0-2d1c-436d-8ff4-
[email protected]:
>
> Watch.
>
> Tomorrow I'll blow the doors off of the front of my garage shop with a
> dust explosion!
>
> (If I do, you guys will never know it.)
>
> RonB
>
You don't live around Mattoon, IL, do you? Last night, I saw a brilliant
white flash and then a bunch of sparks spreading out in the sky. I thought
it was a firework, but obviously it was a dust collector explosion!
Puckdropper
On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 11:01:08 -0800 (PST), RonB <[email protected]>
wrote:
>The devil is probably making me do this =;^}
>
>But apparently things have changed over the past 3-5 years. With 14
>posts on dust collection plumbing, and mention of the term "PVC", you
>would expect to get at least one "Yur gonna blow yurself all to hell"
>comment.
>
>We must be smarter or just mellowing. :)
You just might be right, Ron. I reengaged the "grounding" bait thread
but nobody bit.
--
Not merely an absence of noise, Real Silence begins
when a reasonable being withdraws from the noise in
order to find peace and order in his inner sanctuary.
-- Peter Minard
On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 19:15:43 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 12/30/2010 6:46 PM, Bill wrote:
>> SBH wrote:
>>> Any suggestions where I can find the best prices on 4" dust collection
>>> hoses? Has anyone used an alternative such as metal flex hoses or water
>>> drain hoses?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>
>> I'm sure you've already thought of PVC.
>
>But if you then cut oak, won't that rust ... or explode ... or something??
If you use WD-40 on it...
On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:42:45 -0800 (PST), RonB <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Dec 30, 6:29 pm, "SBH" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Any suggestions where I can find the best prices on 4" dust collection
>> hoses? Has anyone used an alternative such as metal flex hoses or water
>> drain hoses?
>>
>> Thanks
>
>I got a short length of this when I bought my Grizzly collector to see
>what it was like:
>
>http://www.grizzly.com/products/4-x-20-Flexible-Hose/G2868
>
>I just purchased another 10 and a 20 foot length after I had a chance
>to check out the original purchase. It looks like it is going to be
>durable; and the interior surface is smoother than some of the more
>bellows-like hoses.
>
>BTW -- Bill Pentz is well respected for his research and design of
>dust collection systems. He seems to support the use of hard PVC
>plumbing components, especially for home shops, if reasonable
>grounding and cleanliness measures are taken. Read down into the body
>of this:
>
>http://www.billpentz.com/woodworking/cyclone/ducting.cfm#PVCConfusion
The problem I've had with PVC is the fittings don't work on any pipe I've
found. DC parts are bad enough (I'm told there are only one or two makers and
all their tooling is shot) but the normal PVC conversion parts are really bad.
There is about a 1/4" gap between schedule-20 pipe and common (outside)
PVC-hose fitting.
I did find one adapter from Rockler that works by fitting inside the pipe, but
it's sorta expensive (for what it is) and I'd rather not restrict the airflow.
http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=20383
How do others fit this stuff together so it works?
In article <1922c34a-0e8e-451c-8909-
[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
> The devil is probably making me do this =;^}
>
> But apparently things have changed over the past 3-5 years. With 14
> posts on dust collection plumbing, and mention of the term "PVC", you
> would expect to get at least one "Yur gonna blow yurself all to hell"
> comment.
>
> We must be smarter or just mellowing. :)
Or one of the things that the worry-wart who was on about it used to
worry about finally got him.
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> Bill wrote:
> >
> > Maybe you have to soak the oak in lacquer thinner first. Of course, I
> > think the "magical ingredient" is a piece of buckshot embedded in the
> > wood long ago... Of course, as you know, most buckshot is lead--but
> > you can also get steel--which is supposedly better for the waterfowl
> > that you miss and is required in some locals, IIRC (I used to sell the
> > stuff--no ducks to my name).
> >
>
> Right. Wouldn't want the ducks to die of lead poisoning.
>
> The hazard of lead shot in the environment has been pretty-much debunked.
However it has also been banned for waterfowl hunting in most localities
in the US. And in addition to steel you can get bismuth and tungsten
shot.
On 12/30/2010 6:46 PM, Bill wrote:
> SBH wrote:
>> Any suggestions where I can find the best prices on 4" dust collection
>> hoses? Has anyone used an alternative such as metal flex hoses or water
>> drain hoses?
>>
>> Thanks
>
> I'm sure you've already thought of PVC.
But if you then cut oak, won't that rust ... or explode ... or something??
:-J
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)
"Steve Turner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 12/30/2010 9:58 PM, WW wrote:
>> "Swingman"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On 12/30/2010 6:46 PM, Bill wrote:
>>>> SBH wrote:
>>>>> Any suggestions where I can find the best prices on 4" dust collection
>>>>> hoses? Has anyone used an alternative such as metal flex hoses or
>>>>> water
>>>>> drain hoses?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure you've already thought of PVC.
>>>
>>> But if you then cut oak, won't that rust ... or explode ... or
>>> something??
>>>
>>> :-J
>>>
>>> --
>>> www.e-woodshop.net
>>> Last update: 4/15/2010
>>> KarlC@ (the obvious)
>>
>> What is this thing about Oak? I use lots of it and am planning to get a
>> DC
>> sometime. Need to get the electric hook up first. WW
>
> It all started in the "Motor Reversing" thread back in October:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.woodworking/browse_frm/thread/5b6c5acd0fcbc3c8/b30cafde2dcf0ef5?hl=en&tvc=1&q=oak+rust#b30cafde2dcf0ef5
>
> See post #250 by Josepi (one of the resident dumbasses) and my response in
> post #253. Ever since then we've all been very keen to point out the
> incredible dangers in messing around with "oak rust"... :-)
>
Thanks Steve. Got it. WW
> --
> Any given amount of traffic flow, no matter how
> sparse, will expand to fill all available lanes.
> To reply, eat the taco.
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/
"Jim Weisgram" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> I mentioned in another post on this thread, I've been using the
> cardboard cores that flooring and carpeting are rolled around. I get
> it from free from a flooring outlet. It is mostly 4", sometimes 5".
>
> I've even made 90 degree bends by making 2-45 degree corners with a
> short straight section in between, by cutting the pipe on my miter
> saw, and glue together with construction glue. That is probably too
> much work, but it does work well enough if you are careful.
>
> Still, I am planning to replace with 6" S&D PVC eventually.
(slaps forehead)...damn, I could've had a V8, er, I mean, that's a good
idea. I had to pick up some carpet tubes for a project at work and it didn't
even dawn on me. Even if for straight runs, which I have several of, it's a
good idea. Thanks
On Dec 31, 6:06=A0pm, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 11:01:08 -0800 (PST), RonB <[email protected]>
>
> You just might be right, Ron. I reengaged the "grounding" bait thread
> but nobody bit.
>
Watch.
Tomorrow I'll blow the doors off of the front of my garage shop with a
dust explosion!
(If I do, you guys will never know it.)
RonB
On Dec 30, 6:29=A0pm, "SBH" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Any suggestions where I can find the best prices on 4" dust collection
> hoses? Has anyone used an alternative such as metal flex hoses or water
> drain hoses?
>
> Thanks
I got a short length of this when I bought my Grizzly collector to see
what it was like:
http://www.grizzly.com/products/4-x-20-Flexible-Hose/G2868
I just purchased another 10 and a 20 foot length after I had a chance
to check out the original purchase. It looks like it is going to be
durable; and the interior surface is smoother than some of the more
bellows-like hoses.
BTW -- Bill Pentz is well respected for his research and design of
dust collection systems. He seems to support the use of hard PVC
plumbing components, especially for home shops, if reasonable
grounding and cleanliness measures are taken. Read down into the body
of this:
http://www.billpentz.com/woodworking/cyclone/ducting.cfm#PVCConfusion
RonB
Swingman wrote:
> On 12/30/2010 6:46 PM, Bill wrote:
>> SBH wrote:
>>> Any suggestions where I can find the best prices on 4" dust collection
>>> hoses? Has anyone used an alternative such as metal flex hoses or water
>>> drain hoses?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>
>> I'm sure you've already thought of PVC.
>
> But if you then cut oak, won't that rust ... or explode ... or something??
>
> :-J
Maybe you have to soak the oak in lacquer thinner first. Of course, I
think the "magical ingredient" is a piece of buckshot embedded in the
wood long ago... Of course, as you know, most buckshot is lead--but
you can also get steel--which is supposedly better for the waterfowl
that you miss and is required in some locals, IIRC (I used to sell the
stuff--no ducks to my name).
Bill
[email protected] wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 19:15:43 -0600, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 12/30/2010 6:46 PM, Bill wrote:
>>> SBH wrote:
>>>> Any suggestions where I can find the best prices on 4" dust collection
>>>> hoses? Has anyone used an alternative such as metal flex hoses or water
>>>> drain hoses?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> I'm sure you've already thought of PVC.
>>
>> But if you then cut oak, won't that rust ... or explode ... or something??
Maybe the sawdust will turn into Koa?
>
> If you use WD-40 on it...
On 12/30/2010 9:58 PM, WW wrote:
> "Swingman"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 12/30/2010 6:46 PM, Bill wrote:
>>> SBH wrote:
>>>> Any suggestions where I can find the best prices on 4" dust collection
>>>> hoses? Has anyone used an alternative such as metal flex hoses or water
>>>> drain hoses?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> I'm sure you've already thought of PVC.
>>
>> But if you then cut oak, won't that rust ... or explode ... or something??
>>
>> :-J
>>
>> --
>> www.e-woodshop.net
>> Last update: 4/15/2010
>> KarlC@ (the obvious)
>
> What is this thing about Oak? I use lots of it and am planning to get a DC
> sometime. Need to get the electric hook up first. WW
It all started in the "Motor Reversing" thread back in October:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.woodworking/browse_frm/thread/5b6c5acd0fcbc3c8/b30cafde2dcf0ef5?hl=en&tvc=1&q=oak+rust#b30cafde2dcf0ef5
See post #250 by Josepi (one of the resident dumbasses) and my response in post
#253. Ever since then we've all been very keen to point out the incredible
dangers in messing around with "oak rust"... :-)
--
Any given amount of traffic flow, no matter how
sparse, will expand to fill all available lanes.
To reply, eat the taco.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/
Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 02:10:52 -0500, Bill<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 19:15:43 -0600, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/30/2010 6:46 PM, Bill wrote:
>>>>> SBH wrote:
>>>>>> Any suggestions where I can find the best prices on 4" dust collection
>>>>>> hoses? Has anyone used an alternative such as metal flex hoses or water
>>>>>> drain hoses?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure you've already thought of PVC.
>>>>
>>>> But if you then cut oak, won't that rust ... or explode ... or something??
>>
>> Maybe the sawdust will turn into Koa?
>
> Let us know when you save up a 2"x4'x8' slab of it, will ya?
> How's the grain?
Fine ;)
On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 02:10:52 -0500, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] wrote:
>> On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 19:15:43 -0600, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/30/2010 6:46 PM, Bill wrote:
>>>> SBH wrote:
>>>>> Any suggestions where I can find the best prices on 4" dust collection
>>>>> hoses? Has anyone used an alternative such as metal flex hoses or water
>>>>> drain hoses?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure you've already thought of PVC.
>>>
>>> But if you then cut oak, won't that rust ... or explode ... or something??
>
>Maybe the sawdust will turn into Koa?
Let us know when you save up a 2"x4'x8' slab of it, will ya?
How's the grain?
--
Not merely an absence of noise, Real Silence begins
when a reasonable being withdraws from the noise in
order to find peace and order in his inner sanctuary.
-- Peter Minard
On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:48:32 -0600, "Dr. Deb" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>
>This is the best price I have found.
>
>http://www.pennstateind.com/store/D50.html
>
>You just reminded me that I need another length. :-)
I got some when it was $30. It works just fine, but it has a life of
its own when you play with gates. I had to air out the piece before
bringing it into the shop (strong plasticky smell) since my shop is
keyed to my house HVAC.
--
Most people assume the fights are going to be the right versus the left,
but it always is the reasonable versus the jerks.
-- Jimmy Wales
On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 19:46:53 -0500, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>SBH wrote:
>> Any suggestions where I can find the best prices on 4" dust collection
>> hoses? Has anyone used an alternative such as metal flex hoses or water
>> drain hoses?
>>
>> Thanks
>
>I'm sure you've already thought of PVC.
I mentioned in another post on this thread, I've been using the
cardboard cores that flooring and carpeting are rolled around. I get
it from free from a flooring outlet. It is mostly 4", sometimes 5".
I've even made 90 degree bends by making 2-45 degree corners with a
short straight section in between, by cutting the pipe on my miter
saw, and glue together with construction glue. That is probably too
much work, but it does work well enough if you are careful.
Still, I am planning to replace with 6" S&D PVC eventually.
On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 19:46:53 -0500, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>SBH wrote:
>> Any suggestions where I can find the best prices on 4" dust collection
>> hoses? Has anyone used an alternative such as metal flex hoses or water
>> drain hoses?
>>
>> Thanks
>
>I'm sure you've already thought of PVC.
<ding, ding, ding> Duct grounding thread reengaged...
--
Most people assume the fights are going to be the right versus the left,
but it always is the reasonable versus the jerks.
-- Jimmy Wales
On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 12:11:48 -0800, Jim Weisgram
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 00:30:29 -0600, "[email protected]"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:42:45 -0800 (PST), RonB <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>On Dec 30, 6:29 pm, "SBH" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Any suggestions where I can find the best prices on 4" dust collection
>>>> hoses? Has anyone used an alternative such as metal flex hoses or water
>>>> drain hoses?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>I got a short length of this when I bought my Grizzly collector to see
>>>what it was like:
>>>
>>>http://www.grizzly.com/products/4-x-20-Flexible-Hose/G2868
>>>
>>>I just purchased another 10 and a 20 foot length after I had a chance
>>>to check out the original purchase. It looks like it is going to be
>>>durable; and the interior surface is smoother than some of the more
>>>bellows-like hoses.
>>>
>>>BTW -- Bill Pentz is well respected for his research and design of
>>>dust collection systems. He seems to support the use of hard PVC
>>>plumbing components, especially for home shops, if reasonable
>>>grounding and cleanliness measures are taken. Read down into the body
>>>of this:
>>>
>>>http://www.billpentz.com/woodworking/cyclone/ducting.cfm#PVCConfusion
>>
>>The problem I've had with PVC is the fittings don't work on any pipe I've
>>found. DC parts are bad enough (I'm told there are only one or two makers and
>>all their tooling is shot) but the normal PVC conversion parts are really bad.
>>There is about a 1/4" gap between schedule-20 pipe and common (outside)
>>PVC-hose fitting.
>>
>>I did find one adapter from Rockler that works by fitting inside the pipe, but
>>it's sorta expensive (for what it is) and I'd rather not restrict the airflow.
>>
>>http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=20383
>>
>>How do others fit this stuff together so it works?
>
>If the part is too big to fit the PVC, I cut slits in the end of it
>and put a hose clamp around it.
This stuff isn't even close. I was thinking about filling the gap with RTV
but I really didn't want to make permanent connections.
I've found that equipment manufacturers aren't consistent, either. My
Unisaw's dust port is quite a different size than the port on my DeWalt
planer.
>PVC can be made to stretch larger (or even smaller) by heating (say
>with a heat gun) it until it gets flexible, but do it in a well
>ventilated area because it gives off toxic fumes.
>
>By the way, if you go to a carpet outlet, you may be able to get 8' x
>4" cardboard tubes for free.
I hadn't thought of that.
>The only problem with all this is that 4" is really too narrow for
>efficient collection of the fine stuff that causes health problems -
>like lung damage and cancer. You want to maximize airflow to suck that
>up before it floats away from the source.
>
>But most of the ports on the equipment is 4", and 4" is the most
>common size used by most people. And since filter bags on dust
>collectors tend to let the real fine stuff go right through them, you
>really should get a good respirator and use it all the time. Or get a
>cyclone with fine filters.
My DC has a 6" port with a 2x4" 'Y'. I could plumb for 6" but that gets
expensive. I'd have to neck down to 4" to the tool anyway.
My DC is supposed to have 1u bags on it. I'm not about to use a respirator
whenever I'm working. I'd rather give up the hobby.
On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 00:30:29 -0600, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:42:45 -0800 (PST), RonB <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Dec 30, 6:29 pm, "SBH" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Any suggestions where I can find the best prices on 4" dust collection
>>> hoses? Has anyone used an alternative such as metal flex hoses or water
>>> drain hoses?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>
>>I got a short length of this when I bought my Grizzly collector to see
>>what it was like:
>>
>>http://www.grizzly.com/products/4-x-20-Flexible-Hose/G2868
>>
>>I just purchased another 10 and a 20 foot length after I had a chance
>>to check out the original purchase. It looks like it is going to be
>>durable; and the interior surface is smoother than some of the more
>>bellows-like hoses.
>>
>>BTW -- Bill Pentz is well respected for his research and design of
>>dust collection systems. He seems to support the use of hard PVC
>>plumbing components, especially for home shops, if reasonable
>>grounding and cleanliness measures are taken. Read down into the body
>>of this:
>>
>>http://www.billpentz.com/woodworking/cyclone/ducting.cfm#PVCConfusion
>
>The problem I've had with PVC is the fittings don't work on any pipe I've
>found. DC parts are bad enough (I'm told there are only one or two makers and
>all their tooling is shot) but the normal PVC conversion parts are really bad.
>There is about a 1/4" gap between schedule-20 pipe and common (outside)
>PVC-hose fitting.
>
>I did find one adapter from Rockler that works by fitting inside the pipe, but
>it's sorta expensive (for what it is) and I'd rather not restrict the airflow.
>
>http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=20383
>
>How do others fit this stuff together so it works?
If the part is too big to fit the PVC, I cut slits in the end of it
and put a hose clamp around it.
PVC can be made to stretch larger (or even smaller) by heating (say
with a heat gun) it until it gets flexible, but do it in a well
ventilated area because it gives off toxic fumes.
By the way, if you go to a carpet outlet, you may be able to get 8' x
4" cardboard tubes for free.
The only problem with all this is that 4" is really too narrow for
efficient collection of the fine stuff that causes health problems -
like lung damage and cancer. You want to maximize airflow to suck that
up before it floats away from the source.
But most of the ports on the equipment is 4", and 4" is the most
common size used by most people. And since filter bags on dust
collectors tend to let the real fine stuff go right through them, you
really should get a good respirator and use it all the time. Or get a
cyclone with fine filters.
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 12/30/2010 6:46 PM, Bill wrote:
>> SBH wrote:
>>> Any suggestions where I can find the best prices on 4" dust collection
>>> hoses? Has anyone used an alternative such as metal flex hoses or water
>>> drain hoses?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>
>> I'm sure you've already thought of PVC.
>
> But if you then cut oak, won't that rust ... or explode ... or something??
>
> :-J
>
> --
> www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 4/15/2010
> KarlC@ (the obvious)
What is this thing about Oak? I use lots of it and am planning to get a DC
sometime. Need to get the electric hook up first. WW
In article <1922c34a-0e8e-451c-8909-de836ae9400e@w17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
RonB <[email protected]> wrote:
>The devil is probably making me do this =;^}
>
>But apparently things have changed over the past 3-5 years. With 14
>posts on dust collection plumbing, and mention of the term "PVC", you
>would expect to get at least one "Yur gonna blow yurself all to hell"
>comment.
That's a risk *only* if you use "combustable PVC" ('CPVC" for short).
The devil is in the details. <grin>
Bill wrote:
>
> Maybe you have to soak the oak in lacquer thinner first. Of course, I
> think the "magical ingredient" is a piece of buckshot embedded in the
> wood long ago... Of course, as you know, most buckshot is lead--but
> you can also get steel--which is supposedly better for the waterfowl
> that you miss and is required in some locals, IIRC (I used to sell the
> stuff--no ducks to my name).
>
Right. Wouldn't want the ducks to die of lead poisoning.
The hazard of lead shot in the environment has been pretty-much debunked.