OK I tried this stuff again. I was using hard maple, I wet it down good. I
glued both sides and seated a 1x2 into a 1/4" rabit that was a "tap in" tight
fit. This was clamped overnight. The next day a light tap with a hammer broke
the joint with absolutely no damage to the wood. I think library paste would
have done a better job. Where did I go wrong? I can send pictures of the bad
joint.
Don't like poly glue much but do have uses for it once and awhile. Never had
a problem with it's strength myself. But then I just dampen one side of the
joint and only apply glue to the other side. I believe that is what the
directions on the container calls for and it works pretty well for me.
--
Mike G.
Heirloom Woods
www.heirloom-woods.net
"Gfretwell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> OK I tried this stuff again. I was using hard maple, I wet it down good. I
> glued both sides and seated a 1x2 into a 1/4" rabit that was a "tap in"
tight
> fit. This was clamped overnight. The next day a light tap with a hammer
broke
> the joint with absolutely no damage to the wood. I think library paste
would
> have done a better job. Where did I go wrong? I can send pictures of the
bad
> joint.
>I just dampen one side of the
>joint and only apply glue to the other side. I believe that is what the
>directions on the container calls for
"...for hardwoods like oak or maple lightly dampen both surfaces"
The first time (edge to edge joint) I wiped them with a damp rag. The joint I
pictured was misted with a spray a bottle.
Everything was cured overnight.
The only things common are the wood itself and the glue. I have a dialog going
with gorillaglue.com.
Today I am going to glue up some other types of wood with this same glue.
Someone here mentioned a possibility-that the end grain absorbed the
glue. I haven't run into that before but the picture did look as
though the end grain was mighty porous.
On 21 Aug 2003 16:01:32 GMT, [email protected] (Gfretwell) wrote:
>>I just dampen one side of the
>>joint and only apply glue to the other side. I believe that is what the
>>directions on the container calls for
>
>"...for hardwoods like oak or maple lightly dampen both surfaces"
>
>The first time (edge to edge joint) I wiped them with a damp rag. The joint I
>pictured was misted with a spray a bottle.
>Everything was cured overnight.
>The only things common are the wood itself and the glue. I have a dialog going
>with gorillaglue.com.
>Today I am going to glue up some other types of wood with this same glue.
"Gfretwell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >I just dampen one side of the
> >joint and only apply glue to the other side. I believe that is what the
> >directions on the container calls for
>
> "...for hardwoods like oak or maple lightly dampen both surfaces"
>
> The first time (edge to edge joint) I wiped them with a damp rag. The
joint I
> pictured was misted with a spray a bottle.
> Everything was cured overnight.
> The only things common are the wood itself and the glue. I have a dialog
going
> with gorillaglue.com.
> Today I am going to glue up some other types of wood with this same glue.
Perhaps this is nothing new, but the joint has to be beyond perfect. Not a
hair (real hair) width's crack anywhere. Lots of clamp pressure, too.
--
Jim in NC--
It sounds as thoough one side of the maple may have had a coat of wax,
silicone spray or some other kind of contaminat. That sounds unkike
any experience I have ever had with Gorilla glue. Guess it could be a
bad batch. Also, I have heard that there is a shelf life of one-two
years on a bottle so maybe yours is old stock? Is there a chance you
squeezed all the glue out when you clamped? That's bout all the ideas
I can come up with. Unless the bottom of the rabbet was not square
with the 1/4. It won't bridge a large gap very well. If you used a
wobble dado blade, it leaves the bottom of the joint rather rounded.
On 20 Aug 2003 19:38:11 GMT, [email protected] (Gfretwell) wrote:
>OK I tried this stuff again. I was using hard maple, I wet it down good. I
>glued both sides and seated a 1x2 into a 1/4" rabit that was a "tap in" tight
>fit. This was clamped overnight. The next day a light tap with a hammer broke
>the joint with absolutely no damage to the wood. I think library paste would
>have done a better job. Where did I go wrong? I can send pictures of the bad
>joint.
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Here is a picture. The wood was freshly cut so I doubt it was waxy etc. I just
> bought the glue a couple days ago from HD and it was sealed.
>
> http://members.aol.com/gfretwell/joint.gif
>
How tight was the clamping pressure?
Rick
It doesn't look like there is any glue between the two pieces of wood. It
looks like there was nothing on the end grain of the short piece. Did it
all squeeze out?. I just did a project with polyurethane glue, its the
strongest wood glue I have ever used!
Leslie
"Gfretwell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Here is a picture. The wood was freshly cut so I doubt it was waxy etc. I
just
> bought the glue a couple days ago from HD and it was sealed.
>
> http://members.aol.com/gfretwell/joint.gif
[posted and mailed]
[email protected] (Gfretwell) wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Here is a picture. The wood was freshly cut so I doubt it was waxy
> etc. I just bought the glue a couple days ago from HD and it was
> sealed.
>
> http://members.aol.com/gfretwell/joint.gif
That picture looks like you are gluing end grain to long grain?
--
Patrick Fitzgerald - [email protected]
BarelyFitz Designs - http://www.barelyfitz.com/
In article <3F4408BB.A8D@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com>, "Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A." <cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com> wrote:
>Gfretwell wrote:
>>
>> Here is a picture. The wood was freshly cut so I doubt it was waxy etc. I
> just
>> bought the glue a couple days ago from HD and it was sealed.
>>
>> http://members.aol.com/gfretwell/joint.gif
>
>End grain joint. Any glue would fail.
I'm not sure I agree. There's enough long grain there to give it some
strength. Sure doesn't look like there was very much glue in the joint,
though. And it definitely could have used some additional reinforcement such
as a tenon or a biscuit.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
I glued up a joint likethta to see just how weak it would be since
nothing else is strong. I was amazed at how strong the bond was. My
end grain was much smoother than your appears though.
On 20 Aug 2003 20:15:58 GMT, [email protected] (Gfretwell) wrote:
>Here is a picture. The wood was freshly cut so I doubt it was waxy etc. I just
>bought the glue a couple days ago from HD and it was sealed.
>
>http://members.aol.com/gfretwell/joint.gif
See if there is a date on the bottle, I've seen glue in stores that should have been off the shelf.
"Gfretwell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
: Here is a picture. The wood was freshly cut so I doubt it was waxy etc. I just
: bought the glue a couple days ago from HD and it was sealed.
:
: http://members.aol.com/gfretwell/joint.gif
"D K Woods" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 20 Aug 2003 20:41:29 GMT, Gfretwell wrote:
>
> >>See if there is a date on the bottle, I've seen glue in stores that
should
> >>have been off the shelf.
> >
> > The only numbers are 76395030515. I don't see a date in there. They say
the
> > shelf life is 3 years.
>
> Those last six numbers might mean May 15, 2003, but who knows....
>
> david
> --
> "We have money to blow up bridges over the Tigress and Euphrates and we
> don't have money to build bridges in our major cities. We have money to
> destroy the health of the Iraqi people and we don't have enough money to
> repair the health of our own people in this country."
> -- Rep. Dennis Kucinich
>
>
> -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----
> http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!
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You might want to change your signature quote to this one from Dennis
Kucinich:
"In our soul's Magnificent, we become conscious of the cosmos within us. We
hear the music of peace, we hear the music of cooperation, we hear music of
love. In our soul's forgetting, we become unconscious of our cosmic
birthright, blighted with disharmony, disunity, torn asunder from the stars
in a disaster ..."
todd
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 18:03:23 GMT, Doug Miller wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
> It is of interest to note that while some dolphins are reported to have
> learned English -- up to 50 words used in correct context -- no human being
> has been reported to have learned dolphinese.
> -- Carl Sagan
>
> Remember that we're experimenting on the dolphins that were stupid enough to
> get caught.
> -- David Steup
another excellent addition to my saved quotes!
Who is David Steup though? I can't find anything on him.
david
--
It is of interest to note that while some dolphins are reported to have
learned English -- up to 50 words used in correct context -- no human being
has been reported to have learned dolphinese.
-- Carl Sagan
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In article <[email protected]>, Larry
Blanchard <[email protected]> wrote:
> --
> Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?
Or, perhaps they want to offer an opposing viewpoint to an opinion
already offered.
;-)
djb
--
------
WOMD?
<http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/000140.html>
In article <[email protected]>, Morgans
<[email protected]> wrote:
> I hate being a net nanny, but someone has to do it.
Yeah, right...
djb
--
"You know why men name their penis? Because we wouldn't want a total stranger
making all our decisions for us!" -- Ed the Sock
Had a boss with bumper sticker "Have you hugged your toilet laterly?"
which was somewhat remote from religious affiliations (I think).
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:57:35 -0500, D K Woods
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I guess you could also ask why people have political or religious
>statements on bumper stickers.
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> "D K Woods" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On 20 Aug 2003 20:41:29 GMT, Gfretwell wrote:
> >
> > "We have money to blow up bridges over the Tigress and Euphrates and we
> > don't have money to build bridges in our major cities. We have money to
> > destroy the health of the Iraqi people and we don't have enough money to
> > repair the health of our own people in this country."
> > -- Rep. Dennis Kucinich
> >
> >
> > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----
> > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!
> > -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =-----
>
> You might want to change your signature quote to this one from Dennis
> Kucinich:
>
> "In our soul's Magnificent, we become conscious of the cosmos within us. We
> hear the music of peace, we hear the music of cooperation, we hear music of
> love. In our soul's forgetting, we become unconscious of our cosmic
> birthright, blighted with disharmony, disunity, torn asunder from the stars
> in a disaster ..."
>
> todd
Why are you two quoting Dennis the Menace for any reason?????
ARM
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<p>todd wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>"D K Woods" <[email protected]>
wrote in message
<br><a href="news:[email protected]">news:[email protected]</a>...
<br>> On 20 Aug 2003 20:41:29 GMT, Gfretwell wrote:
<br>>
<br>> "We have money to blow up bridges over the Tigress and Euphrates
and we
<br>> don't have money to build bridges in our major cities. We have
money to
<br>> destroy the health of the Iraqi people and we don't have enough money
to
<br>> repair the health of our own people in this country."
<br>>
-- Rep. Dennis Kucinich
<br>>
<br>>
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The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!
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<p>You might want to change your signature quote to this one from Dennis
<br>Kucinich:
<p>"In our soul's Magnificent, we become conscious of the cosmos within
us. We
<br>hear the music of peace, we hear the music of cooperation, we hear
music of
<br>love. In our soul's forgetting, we become unconscious of our cosmic
<br>birthright, blighted with disharmony, disunity, torn asunder from the
stars
<br>in a disaster ..."
<p>todd</blockquote>
Why are you two quoting Dennis the Menace for any reason?????
<br>ARM</html>
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Doug Miller wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
> It is of interest to note that while some dolphins are reported to have
> learned English -- up to 50 words used in correct context -- no human being
> has been reported to have learned dolphinese.
> -- Carl Sagan
>
> Remember that we're experimenting on the dolphins that were stupid enough to
> get caught.
> -- David Steup
>
> --
> Regards,
> Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
Maybe not, they could be on leave from their school (pod) for some post dock
work in foreign/primative languages or primate studies.
ARM
Doug Miller wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, Alan McClure <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >Doug Miller wrote:
> >
> >> In article <[email protected]>,
> > [email protected] wrote:
> >> It is of interest to note that while some dolphins are reported to have
> >> learned English -- up to 50 words used in correct context -- no human being
> >> has been reported to have learned dolphinese.
> >> -- Carl Sagan
> >>
> >> Remember that we're experimenting on the dolphins that were stupid enough to
> >> get caught.
> >> -- David Steup
>
> >Maybe not, they could be on leave from their school (pod) for some post dock
> >work in foreign/primative languages or primate studies.
> >
> >ARM
> >
> In some ways, that's an even more disturbing thought.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
LOL!!! I just found out milk makes a good monitor cleaner.
ARM
"Brett A. Thomas" wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Morgans" <[email protected]> writes:
> >
> >"Dave Balderstone" <dave***@balderstone.ca> wrote in message
> >news:210820031859560709%dave***@balderstone.ca...
> >> In article <[email protected]>, Larry
> >> Blanchard <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > --
> >> > Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?
> >>
> >> Or, perhaps they want to offer an opposing viewpoint to an opinion
> >> already offered.
> >>
> >> ;-)
> >>
> >> djb
> >
> >>This is rec.woodworking, not rec.war, or rec. politics
> >I hate being a net nanny, but someone has to do it.
>
> I think the problem with political sigs on apolitical newsgroups is
> that they have a real tendency to derail threads. If I see a sig that
> you think is brilliant, but I think is incredibly stupid or naive,
> it's very hard to keep from replying to the sig.
>
> Heck, I keep waiting for some Christian to point out to JOAT why Jesus
> was so special. :)
>
> -BAT
OK, I'll bite. #1 son?
ARM
"Morgans" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> Why do so many people feel the need to add political or religious
signatures
> to their posts? This could be a place where everyone can talk about
> woodworking, without someone else's baggage making them mad.
Because they may be insecure with their beliefs and probably need that
constant reminder.
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
It is of interest to note that while some dolphins are reported to have
learned English -- up to 50 words used in correct context -- no human being
has been reported to have learned dolphinese.
-- Carl Sagan
Remember that we're experimenting on the dolphins that were stupid enough to
get caught.
-- David Steup
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
"D K Woods" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> It is of interest to note that while some dolphins are reported to have
> learned English -- up to 50 words used in correct context -- no human
being
> has been reported to have learned dolphinese.
> -- Carl Sagan
And that is a very nifty quote to use as your .sig. I'm gonna save it!
"Bob Bowles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Had a boss with bumper sticker "Have you hugged your toilet laterly?"
> which was somewhat remote from religious affiliations (I think).
>
Nope, during college I worshipped at the Altar of the Porcelain God
quite a bit.
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 18:03:23 GMT, Doug Miller wrote:
>
>> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] wrote:
>> It is of interest to note that while some dolphins are reported to have
>> learned English -- up to 50 words used in correct context -- no human being
>> has been reported to have learned dolphinese.
>> -- Carl Sagan
>>
>> Remember that we're experimenting on the dolphins that were stupid enough to
>> get caught.
>> -- David Steup
>
>another excellent addition to my saved quotes!
>
>Who is David Steup though? I can't find anything on him.
>
He isn't famous, at least not yet. I went to college with him. One of the
smartest people I've ever known. Has an MS in pharmacy, PhD in toxicology, and
I don't know what else.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 21:03:57 -0500, todd wrote:
>
> "D K Woods" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 20 Aug 2003 20:41:29 GMT, Gfretwell wrote:
>>
>>>>See if there is a date on the bottle, I've seen glue in stores that
> should
>>>>have been off the shelf.
>>>
>>> The only numbers are 76395030515. I don't see a date in there. They say
> the
>>> shelf life is 3 years.
>>
>> Those last six numbers might mean May 15, 2003, but who knows....
>>
>> david
>> --
>> "We have money to blow up bridges over the Tigress and Euphrates and we
>> don't have money to build bridges in our major cities. We have money to
>> destroy the health of the Iraqi people and we don't have enough money to
>> repair the health of our own people in this country."
>> -- Rep. Dennis Kucinich
>>
>>
>> -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----
>> http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!
>> -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =-----
>
> You might want to change your signature quote to this one from Dennis
> Kucinich:
>
> "In our soul's Magnificent, we become conscious of the cosmos within us. We
> hear the music of peace, we hear the music of cooperation, we hear music of
> love. In our soul's forgetting, we become unconscious of our cosmic
> birthright, blighted with disharmony, disunity, torn asunder from the stars
> in a disaster ..."
>
> todd
That....is an excellent quote. Thanks for sharing it!
david
--
"We have money to blow up bridges over the Tigress and Euphrates and we
don't have money to build bridges in our major cities. We have money to
destroy the health of the Iraqi people and we don't have enough money to
repair the health of our own people in this country."
-- Rep. Dennis Kucinich
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-----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =-----
In article <KDb1b.2221$l%[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Because they may be insecure with their beliefs and probably need that
> constant reminder.
>
Or perhaps they're trying to give a constant reminder to others. After
all, the US media and public have a very short memory :-).
--
Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?
Franklin divulges the code readily so you can read date in the store.
On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 16:00:07 -0500, D K Woods
<[email protected]> wrote:
>> The only numbers are 76395030515. I don't see a date in there. They say the
>> shelf life is 3 years.
>
>Those last six numbers might mean May 15, 2003, but who knows....
In article <[email protected]>,
Alan McClure <[email protected]> writes:
>
>
>"Brett A. Thomas" wrote:
>> Heck, I keep waiting for some Christian to point out to JOAT why Jesus
>> was so special. :)
>
>OK, I'll bite. #1 son?
"Jack of All Trades" (JOAT) has a current sig of "If we're all God's
children, what's so special about Jesus?" If I were a Christian, I
imagine it would be very tempting to write a long ranting response
explaining what was so special about Jesus. Since I'm not, I feel no
such compulsion, but I keep expecting that sig to generate a huge
thread.
Heck, maybe it's just about to do so. :)
-BAT
In article <[email protected]>, Alan McClure <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>Doug Miller wrote:
>
>> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] wrote:
>> It is of interest to note that while some dolphins are reported to have
>> learned English -- up to 50 words used in correct context -- no human being
>> has been reported to have learned dolphinese.
>> -- Carl Sagan
>>
>> Remember that we're experimenting on the dolphins that were stupid enough to
>> get caught.
>> -- David Steup
>Maybe not, they could be on leave from their school (pod) for some post dock
>work in foreign/primative languages or primate studies.
>
>ARM
>
In some ways, that's an even more disturbing thought.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
> The Difference is, that I don't carry on a conversation with the idgets with
> the bumper sticker, and don't have any chance to voice my counter points. I
> might converse with you, and would like to do so, without wanting to spout
> off.
>
> Don't feel like I was picking on just you. There are many others, but I
> usually bite my tounge, and save giving a piece of mind. Problem is, I
> don't like holding back.
I had never meant for my signature to inspire conversation, either. It was
just supposed to be there, innocently lurking below my name. Perhaps to be
read, mostly to be ignored. Never to be its own thread....
I couldn't agree more, that the conversation here should be about
woodworking. I am really wishing I hadn't chosen what turned out to be
such a volatile signature.
david
--
It is of interest to note that while some dolphins are reported to have
learned English -- up to 50 words used in correct context -- no human being
has been reported to have learned dolphinese.
-- Carl Sagan
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you think he's bad, Google Mike Zuchick's posts. I refer to him as Mike
Zealot. He hit up the Wreck a while back for donations for a burial.
We all pretty much told him what he could do with his prosletizing and
begging.
dave
Morgans wrote:
> "> --
>
>>"We have money to blow up bridges over the Tigress and Euphrates and we
>>don't have money to build bridges in our major cities. We have money to
>>destroy the health of the Iraqi people and we don't have enough money to
>>repair the health of our own people in this country."
>> -- Rep. Dennis Kucinich
>
>
> Why do so many people feel the need to add political or religious signatures
> to their posts? This could be a place where everyone can talk about
> woodworking, without someone else's baggage making them mad.
>
> Just a thought.
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 19:59:46 +0000, Neil Woods wrote:
> "D K Woods" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> It is of interest to note that while some dolphins are reported to have
>> learned English -- up to 50 words used in correct context -- no human
> being
>> has been reported to have learned dolphinese.
>> -- Carl Sagan
>
> And that is a very nifty quote to use as your .sig. I'm gonna save it!
Also interesting to note that humans aren't caught in fishing nets
deployed my the dolphins and served in casserole along tuna and cheese,
nor subjugated by dolphins are taught to react to verbal signals. My dog
knows about 12 words of English. Guide dogs for the blind often know
German. So what?
On 20 Aug 2003 20:41:29 GMT, Gfretwell wrote:
>>See if there is a date on the bottle, I've seen glue in stores that should
>>have been off the shelf.
>
> The only numbers are 76395030515. I don't see a date in there. They say the
> shelf life is 3 years.
Those last six numbers might mean May 15, 2003, but who knows....
david
--
"We have money to blow up bridges over the Tigress and Euphrates and we
don't have money to build bridges in our major cities. We have money to
destroy the health of the Iraqi people and we don't have enough money to
repair the health of our own people in this country."
-- Rep. Dennis Kucinich
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"> --
> "We have money to blow up bridges over the Tigress and Euphrates and we
> don't have money to build bridges in our major cities. We have money to
> destroy the health of the Iraqi people and we don't have enough money to
> repair the health of our own people in this country."
> -- Rep. Dennis Kucinich
Why do so many people feel the need to add political or religious signatures
to their posts? This could be a place where everyone can talk about
woodworking, without someone else's baggage making them mad.
Just a thought.
--
Jim in NC--
"@40tude.net...
>
> > Why do so many people feel the need to add political or religious
signatures
> > to their posts? This could be a place where everyone can talk about
> > woodworking, without someone else's baggage making them mad.
> >
> > Just a thought.
>
> I guess you could also ask why people have political or religious
> statements on bumper stickers. Driving, after all, are supposed to be
> about going from one location to another without someone else's baggage
> making them mad....
The Difference is, that I don't carry on a conversation with the idgets with
the bumper sticker, and don't have any chance to voice my counter points. I
might converse with you, and would like to do so, without wanting to spout
off.
Don't feel like I was picking on just you. There are many others, but I
usually bite my tounge, and save giving a piece of mind. Problem is, I
don't like holding back.
--
Jim in NC--
"Larry Blanchard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <KDb1b.2221$l%[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
>
> > Because they may be insecure with their beliefs and probably need that
> > constant reminder.
> >
> Or perhaps they're trying to give a constant reminder to others. After
> all, the US media and public have a very short memory :-).
>
> --
> Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?
*************************************
When one of those WMD's that got taken to Syria before the war started, ends
up shoved up your A**, you will know where they are.
See what you made me do? I couldn't hold back when you so immaturely
presented such a large target.
--
Jim in NC--
Hey folks,
Here is what I have found. About a year ago a friend of mine and I --
both longtime engineers -- made a test. We both had our opinions. He
liked Gorilla glue, I liked good old yellow PVA woodworker's glue.
We set up identical tests and tested the strength. We both found that
they both had, if properly applied, nearly the same strength. We
found that the PVA was slightly stronger in our tests. And the
strength variations due to application were greater with the Gorilla
Glue. The difference was not enough to be statistically significant.
The conclusion I have come to is:
PVA is the best for normal woodworking projects that do not need
waterproof service. PVA is more forgiving in application (there is no
special surface wetting and other concerns). Polyurethane (Gorilla
Glue) can be used to attach materials that PVA cannot (metal, plastic,
mirrors, etc). Polyurethane is better than even the type II PVA for
wet applications. Gorilla Glue does not fill gaps (with any
strength). Gorilla Glue is very, very messy and you absolutely need
gloves or you will be wearing the stuff for days on your hands until
the skin it is on wears off. Like most adhesives, they each have
their place, but I think the PVA is much easier to work with and
forgiving as long as you are working within its service parameters.
Eric
"John McGaw" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "Gfretwell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > OK I tried this stuff again. I was using hard maple, I wet it down good. I
> > glued both sides and seated a 1x2 into a 1/4" rabit that was a "tap in"
> tight
> > fit. This was clamped overnight. The next day a light tap with a hammer
> broke
> > the joint with absolutely no damage to the wood. I think library paste
> would
> > have done a better job. Where did I go wrong? I can send pictures of the
> bad
> > joint.
>
> Your problem is probably defined in your statements "I wet it down good" and
> "'tap in' tight". Additional moisture is absolutely not needed in "normal"
> conditions and only the slightest bit of moisture is needed if you live in
> someplace with no humidity. I've found that wood with 7-8% moisture content
> will activate the glue just fine. The joint should not be so tight as to
> drive the glue out while fitting it together. There is some narrow range of
> fit which will work -- too tight and you don't have enough glue to do the
> job, too loose and the glue has to fill the gap and loses strength (this is
> true for all glues, not just the "gorilla" variety). Try it again and DON'T
> wet it at all, make the joint 'push together' tight, and see what happens
> then report back. I've used this stuff in very difficult glueups in hard
> maple and other hardwoods and can state without hesitation that it sticks
> fantastically well when used as intended.
Sounds like operator error...;~) But I cannot imagine that happening 2
times in a row. Probably bad or old product. I use the stuff and it works
great. Things to keep in mind.
DO NOT over tighten your clamps. Always add water to the mating side. Be
certain that your surfaces are as flat as you can possibly make them.
Again, your glue must be bad for it to fail so miserably.
"Gfretwell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> OK I tried this stuff again. I was using hard maple, I wet it down good. I
> glued both sides and seated a 1x2 into a 1/4" rabit that was a "tap in"
tight
> fit. This was clamped overnight. The next day a light tap with a hammer
broke
> the joint with absolutely no damage to the wood. I think library paste
would
> have done a better job. Where did I go wrong? I can send pictures of the
bad
> joint.
"Ken Yee" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > OK I tried this stuff again. I was using hard maple, I wet it down
> > good. I
>
> Why did you wet it?
> I never wet wood. Used gorilla glue in some wood repair. There's
> no way those pieces of wood are coming apart :-)
Read the directions on the bottle. Gorilla Glue and or polyurethane glue
cures in the presence of moisture. Adding water speeds cure time.
I've been using Poly glues for a while. Just started using Gorilla glue. I
use a spray bottle of water to wet one side of the joint, apply the glue,
and clamp it for a few hours. When I take the clamps off, it holds very
tight. After letting it set overnight for a full cure, I finish my
projects. Having used this product only last week, I'd say your results are
very uncommon. Yes, end grain to long grain makes for a weak joint, but
this glue should have held tight enough for the poly joint to "tear". This
stuff sticks to just about anything. For it to not stick at all makes me
think you've got an outdated product or there's some other factor (lots of
sawdust in the joint maybe). Don't know, I wasn't there. I can tell you
only that Poly glues typically work very well, which is why many of us use
them.
Robert
"John McGaw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Gfretwell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > OK I tried this stuff again. I was using hard maple, I wet it down good.
I
> > glued both sides and seated a 1x2 into a 1/4" rabit that was a "tap in"
> tight
> > fit. This was clamped overnight. The next day a light tap with a hammer
> broke
> > the joint with absolutely no damage to the wood. I think library paste
> would
> > have done a better job. Where did I go wrong? I can send pictures of the
> bad
> > joint.
>
> Your problem is probably defined in your statements "I wet it down good"
and
> "'tap in' tight". Additional moisture is absolutely not needed in "normal"
> conditions and only the slightest bit of moisture is needed if you live in
> someplace with no humidity. I've found that wood with 7-8% moisture
content
> will activate the glue just fine. The joint should not be so tight as to
> drive the glue out while fitting it together. There is some narrow range
of
> fit which will work -- too tight and you don't have enough glue to do the
> job, too loose and the glue has to fill the gap and loses strength (this
is
> true for all glues, not just the "gorilla" variety). Try it again and
DON'T
> wet it at all, make the joint 'push together' tight, and see what happens
> then report back. I've used this stuff in very difficult glueups in hard
> maple and other hardwoods and can state without hesitation that it sticks
> fantastically well when used as intended.
> --
> John McGaw
> [Knoxville, TN, USA]
>
> Return address will not work. Please
> reply in group or through my website:
> http://johnmcgaw.com
>
>
>
[email protected] (Gfretwell) wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> OK I tried this stuff again. I was using hard maple, I wet it down
> good. I
Why did you wet it?
I never wet wood. Used gorilla glue in some wood repair. There's
no way those pieces of wood are coming apart :-)
ken
>Why did you wet it?
It said to on the bottle?
The first joints I made were dry and they snapped clean too. (edge to edge) I
haven't seen any wood damage in any of the failed joints. So much for "the
joint is stronger than the wood".
BTW my white glue experiment came out exactly the same. Is this just a hard
maple problem?
[email protected] (Gfretwell) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> >Why did you wet it?
>
> It said to on the bottle?
>
> The first joints I made were dry and they snapped clean too. (edge to edge) I
> haven't seen any wood damage in any of the failed joints. So much for "the
> joint is stronger than the wood".
> BTW my white glue experiment came out exactly the same. Is this just a hard
> maple problem?
I think there may be a couple things going on here. First, an end
grain joint is inherently weak. I know, I know, one side is edge
grain, but a joint hath two sides, and is only as strong as its
weakest component. Second, and this is speculative because I obviously
didn't see you glue the joint, it sounds like, perhaps because of your
prior troubles, you may have used TOO much water. As others have
indicated, PU works best in the presence of MOISTURE. I've seen people
really dousing the wood prior to using this stuff (again, I'm not
saying YOU did this). Just a very light misting of water from a spray
bottle is MORE than enough.
For an end grain joint like this, I would use epoxy. Or some
mechanical assistance.
[email protected] (Gfretwell) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> >Why did you wet it?
>
> It said to on the bottle?
>
> The first joints I made were dry and they snapped clean too. (edge to edge) I
> haven't seen any wood damage in any of the failed joints. So much for "the
> joint is stronger than the wood".
> BTW my white glue experiment came out exactly the same. Is this just a hard
> maple problem?
One other thing: If it's hard maple, my experience with that wood has
been that, particularly when it's sanded, it can become almost
"burnished" so that it does not absorb stain, for example, easily.
I'm wondering whether whatever quality that causes that also affects
its "glue-ability?"
"Gfretwell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >Why did you wet it?
>
> It said to on the bottle?
>
> The first joints I made were dry and they snapped clean too. (edge to
edge) I
> haven't seen any wood damage in any of the failed joints. So much for "the
> joint is stronger than the wood".
> BTW my white glue experiment came out exactly the same. Is this just a
hard
> maple problem?
It is an end grain to side grain problem..the way you are trying to glue the
joint. Try glues on the maple, side grain to side grain and you will
find that is not a maple or glue problem.
>Try glues on the maple, side grain to side grain and you will
>find that is not a maple or glue problem.
I have some failed side to side failures you can look at too. That was what
started this.
The "end grain" is in a mortise that is actually 3/8" deep" (I said 1/4
earlier).
These are typical joints I see everywhere.
I am about to shoot some stainless screws into these joints to save my $60 glue
up. :-)
So far the glue up is holding but the cut off pieces will easily fail
BTW this is Gorrila Glue's answer
"From: [email protected] (Judy Tracy)
To: [email protected]
As far as we know, that wasn't a bad lot, but other than sending you another
bottle to try it again, I can't be of any more help. Most of the time the
glue fails, it has to do with moisture.
Judy
To heck with it!! Use titebond!!
"Gfretwell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> OK I tried this stuff again. I was using hard maple, I wet it down good. I
> glued both sides and seated a 1x2 into a 1/4" rabit that was a "tap in"
tight
> fit. This was clamped overnight. The next day a light tap with a hammer
broke
> the joint with absolutely no damage to the wood. I think library paste
would
> have done a better job. Where did I go wrong? I can send pictures of the
bad
> joint.
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Ken Yee" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>
> > > OK I tried this stuff again. I was using hard maple, I wet it down
> > > good. I
> >
> > Why did you wet it?
> > I never wet wood. Used gorilla glue in some wood repair. There's
> > no way those pieces of wood are coming apart :-)
>
>
> Read the directions on the bottle. Gorilla Glue and or polyurethane glue
> cures in the presence of moisture. Adding water speeds cure time.
>
But adding too much water, especially with a tight-grain wood like maple,
causes the glue to foam into nothingness and never get into the pores. If
the wood has 7-8% moisture content I've never had to add moisture and it has
always held fine for me even in some very difficult situations.
--
John McGaw
[Knoxville, TN, USA]
Return address will not work. Please
reply in group or through my website:
http://johnmcgaw.com
I've used GG for a number of outdoor applications and have had no problem.
Remember that per the instructions, apply the glue lightly to one of the two
surfaces and apply water lightly to the other. The glue draws its moisture
from that water, and will expand to about 4x its original volume. Then clamp
tightly for 1-4 hours. The end grain to end grain joint isn't very strong,
but it should have held better than what you've described if the glue was
properly applied.
Bob
.
"Gfretwell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> OK I tried this stuff again. I was using hard maple, I wet it down good. I
> glued both sides and seated a 1x2 into a 1/4" rabit that was a "tap in"
tight
> fit. This was clamped overnight. The next day a light tap with a hammer
broke
> the joint with absolutely no damage to the wood. I think library paste
would
> have done a better job. Where did I go wrong? I can send pictures of the
bad
> joint.