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Josh

10/06/2009 5:22 PM

Who Actually Makes Craftsman Mitre Saws?

I'm thinking about buying a 12" dual compound mitre saw...non-sliding
type. Laser guide is OK but not a must-have. Is there any consensus
as to who makes the BEST compound mitre saws.....and which company
furnishes Sears?

I presently have a Delta 10" non-compound. Good, dependable saw but I
keep needing the bevel function, and a wider cut would have come in
handy several times.


This topic has 13 replies

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"Upscale"

in reply to Josh on 10/06/2009 5:22 PM

11/06/2009 5:29 AM


"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> Well err uh ummm... Festool makes the best compound miter saw. But it is
a
> slider and you would be the envy of most every one here if you got it and
> you would be about $1,500 poorer.

Do you actually have one Leon? I know you've got some other Festool stuff
like the Domino and the vacuum, but I wasn't aware that you'd bought the
mitre saw. And, if you do have one, what differences have you found when
comparing it to other mitre saws?

RC

Robatoy

in reply to Josh on 10/06/2009 5:22 PM

11/06/2009 7:14 AM

On Jun 11, 9:40=A0am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> No unfortunately I have not purchased the saw but have done the next best
> thing, fondled one.
>

Feel the love, fellas?? Leon's toast.


> What I like.
>
> 1. =A0Compared to other miter saws, it is quiet.
> 2. =A0Relatively light weight, 47 lbs.
> 3. =A0Bevel angle is not a crap shoot, there is a twist handle that allow=
s you
> fine tune the bevel angle accurately and it has a Large bevel scale.
> 4. =A0It includes a angle finder tool that measures an angle and then all=
ows
> you to set the miter angle of the saw with out having to read angle numbe=
rs
> or do any math.
> 5. =A0Dust collection is great when used with a vac. =A0You can use it in=
side a
> customer house.
> 6. =A0Depth of cut control.
> 7. =A0Requires less space to operate than most slider miter saws. =A0You =
can
> place the back of the saw against a wall and leave it there.
> 8. =A0On board tool and cord storage.
> 9. =A0Electronic Variable Speed for various material types and to maintai=
n
> speed when cutting tough or thick materials.
>
> Plus all the other things you would expect, laser, arbor lock, clamps, et=
c.

...jussssst a matter of time.... he's 95% there...looking for a gig/
excuse that would NEED that Festool saw.....

<G>

Hg

Hoosierpopi

in reply to Josh on 10/06/2009 5:22 PM

11/06/2009 12:06 PM

On Jun 10, 7:22=A0pm, Josh <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'm thinking about buying a 12" dual compound mitre saw...non-sliding
> type. =A0Laser guide is OK but not a must-have. =A0Is there any consensus
> as to who makes the BEST compound mitre saws.....and which company
> furnishes Sears?
>
> I presently have a Delta 10" non-compound. =A0Good, dependable saw but I
> keep needing the bevel function, and a wider cut would have come in
> handy several times.

I've had Delta and Craftsman miter saws and have a 12" and a ten inch
Craftsman at the moment with the laser disc things (still working on
the older 10" but mot on the newer (1 year old) 12"). Both are
compound miter saws.

When used carefully, one can do pretty decent work with them. As
grandpa said "'tis a poor workman what blames his tools." But I find
the workpiece moving after the cut is through, as if one of the rests
were "off" and the "held" workpiece snapped back when the right hand
section was cut off.

I like the way they stand behind their tools. The ten-inch I am using
now was a free exchange for the previous one which I had some troubles
with.

I also buy the discounted tools from their clearance racks. Stuff
another customer tok home to try and decided against, or opened the
box and lost a wrench or manual and so on. I used to hit their Outlet
Centers a lot and built quite a collection of sockets and wrenches
that way (and for cheap).

As another has said here, it would appear that Sears tools are Makita,
Ryobi, etc and so forth depending upon the tool. Often
indistinguishable but for the Sears name or logo where the other might
have been and the color scheme. Then again, they sell tools that look
nothing like the name sakes of the company producing them - their C3
19.2 volt stuff (which I use and like).

Now, I am a hobbyist and use these tools infrequently. I do not make
my living with the tools I own - rather I reduce my grandchildren's
inheritance with each acquisition.

Sorry kids, less inheritance from Gramps and more debt from Uncle

SS

Stuart

in reply to Josh on 10/06/2009 5:22 PM

12/06/2009 12:11 AM

In article <[email protected]>,
<[email protected]> wrote:

> > Well err uh ummm... Festool makes the best compound miter saw.

> Jaysus! ...some pricey stuff. Do their tools come with a woman?

Nah, much better than a woman for all those usual reasons except......




don't get randy and wave your privates anywhere near it if it's turned on
- only do that with a woman. (Unless her name is Bobbet)

n

in reply to Josh on 10/06/2009 5:22 PM

10/06/2009 7:29 PM

"Leon" <[email protected]> writes:


> Well err uh ummm... Festool makes the best compound miter saw.

Jaysus! ...some pricey stuff. Do their tools come with a woman?

nb

Rr

RonB

in reply to Josh on 10/06/2009 5:22 PM

10/06/2009 6:44 PM

I have had a Delta 12 Compound, non-slider for about 10-11 years and I
still love it. I keep thinking the angle index method is a little
cheesy but it continues to work well. Only complaint is the dust port
isn't very good. In addition to day to day home shop use, it has
finished a full basement, and now, most of our newer house.

Can't Complain.

RonB

RC

Robatoy

in reply to Josh on 10/06/2009 5:22 PM

11/06/2009 7:11 AM

On Jun 11, 9:40=A0am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> > "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> Well err uh ummm... Festool makes the best compound miter saw. =A0But =
it is
> > a
> >> slider and you would be the envy of most every one here if you got it =
and
> >> you would be about $1,500 poorer.
>
> > Do you actually have one Leon? I know you've got some other Festool stu=
ff
> > like the Domino and the vacuum, but I wasn't aware that you'd bought th=
e
> > mitre saw. And, if you do have one, what differences have you found whe=
n
> > comparing it to other mitre saws?
>
> No unfortunately I have not purchased the saw but have done the next best
> thing, fondled one.
>
> What I like.
>
> 1. =A0Compared to other miter saws, it is quiet.
> 2. =A0Relatively light weight, 47 lbs.
> 3. =A0Bevel angle is not a crap shoot, there is a twist handle that allow=
s you
> fine tune the bevel angle accurately and it has a Large bevel scale.
> 4. =A0It includes a angle finder tool that measures an angle and then all=
ows
> you to set the miter angle of the saw with out having to read angle numbe=
rs
> or do any math.
> 5. =A0Dust collection is great when used with a vac. =A0You can use it in=
side a
> customer house.
> 6. =A0Depth of cut control.
> 7. =A0Requires less space to operate than most slider miter saws. =A0You =
can
> place the back of the saw against a wall and leave it there.
> 8. =A0On board tool and cord storage.
> 9. =A0Electronic Variable Speed for various material types and to maintai=
n
> speed when cutting tough or thick materials.
>
> Plus all the other things you would expect, laser, arbor lock, clamps, et=
c.

That new Big Boy Milwaukee looks pretty cool for a LOT less money.
Dunno much about it, but if feels very positive. It has enormous
capacity and uses off-the-shelf blades. That is the one thing, besides
price, I have put in the negative column when it comes to the Festool.
Desirable? Hell yes!

Answer to the OP's original question: Craftsman has stuff built by all
kinds of companies, some of those have no marketing of their own. An
8" mitre saw I own (Yes, it's a Craftsman, it was small, cheap, light
and perfect for tossing around in the trucks... please don't whip
me??) that particular saw was a spitting image of a Ryobi, and I am
told that those two brands share a lot of products, but dunno which
ones.

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to Josh on 10/06/2009 5:22 PM

10/06/2009 7:31 PM


"Josh" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:4a6308b4-b162-4b07-bd5e-108d3ce2056d@a36g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
> I'm thinking about buying a 12" dual compound mitre saw...non-sliding
> type. Laser guide is OK but not a must-have. Is there any consensus
> as to who makes the BEST compound mitre saws.....and which company
> furnishes Sears?

Well err uh ummm... Festool makes the best compound miter saw. But it is a
slider and you would be the envy of most every one here if you got it and
you would be about $1,500 poorer.

>
> I presently have a Delta 10" non-compound. Good, dependable saw but I
> keep needing the bevel function, and a wider cut would have come in
> handy several times.

I have had a 12" Delta compound miter saw and probably should not recommend
it. The guard continues to break.

I would seriously look at
Makita or Milwaukee if looking for something that will last other than the
Festool of course.

dw

"d.williams"

in reply to Josh on 10/06/2009 5:22 PM

11/06/2009 5:27 PM


"Hoosierpopi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:4cd28d7f-2f16-4e79-902b-5f7927983066@d38g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 10, 7:22 pm, Josh <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'm thinking about buying a 12" dual compound mitre saw...non-sliding
> type. Laser guide is OK but not a must-have. Is there any consensus
> as to who makes the BEST compound mitre saws.....and which company
> furnishes Sears?
>
> I presently have a Delta 10" non-compound. Good, dependable saw but I
> keep needing the bevel function, and a wider cut would have come in
> handy several times.

I recall following a thread from another forum on a similar "who makes
bandsaws for Craftsman? " ( the suspect was Rikon) It pointed to a Google
Search, which I am currently too lazy and tired to check into - hey it's
Thursday, had a rough week - anyway the gist of it was that somewhere in the
Sears' part number was a code that designated the real source of the tool.
FWIW

Dd

"DGDevin"

in reply to Josh on 10/06/2009 5:22 PM

10/06/2009 10:57 PM

[email protected] wrote:

> "Leon" <[email protected]> writes:
>
>
>> Well err uh ummm... Festool makes the best compound miter saw.
>
> Jaysus! ...some pricey stuff. Do their tools come with a woman?
>
> nb

They tried that for awhile, but there were too many complaints that just
made the saws even more expensive in the long run. Geez, the phone bill
alone will kill ya.

Dd

"DGDevin"

in reply to Josh on 10/06/2009 5:22 PM

10/06/2009 10:58 PM

Josh wrote:

> I'm thinking about buying a 12" dual compound mitre saw...non-sliding
> type. Laser guide is OK but not a must-have. Is there any consensus
> as to who makes the BEST compound mitre saws.....and which company
> furnishes Sears?
>
> I presently have a Delta 10" non-compound. Good, dependable saw but I
> keep needing the bevel function, and a wider cut would have come in
> handy several times.

If you trust magazine reviews Bosch and Makita seem to do the best there.

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to Josh on 10/06/2009 5:22 PM

11/06/2009 8:40 AM


"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> Well err uh ummm... Festool makes the best compound miter saw. But it is
> a
>> slider and you would be the envy of most every one here if you got it and
>> you would be about $1,500 poorer.
>
> Do you actually have one Leon? I know you've got some other Festool stuff
> like the Domino and the vacuum, but I wasn't aware that you'd bought the
> mitre saw. And, if you do have one, what differences have you found when
> comparing it to other mitre saws?
>
>

No unfortunately I have not purchased the saw but have done the next best
thing, fondled one.

What I like.

1. Compared to other miter saws, it is quiet.
2. Relatively light weight, 47 lbs.
3. Bevel angle is not a crap shoot, there is a twist handle that allows you
fine tune the bevel angle accurately and it has a Large bevel scale.
4. It includes a angle finder tool that measures an angle and then allows
you to set the miter angle of the saw with out having to read angle numbers
or do any math.
5. Dust collection is great when used with a vac. You can use it inside a
customer house.
6. Depth of cut control.
7. Requires less space to operate than most slider miter saws. You can
place the back of the saw against a wall and leave it there.
8. On board tool and cord storage.
9. Electronic Variable Speed for various material types and to maintain
speed when cutting tough or thick materials.

Plus all the other things you would expect, laser, arbor lock, clamps, etc.


Lr

"Leon"

in reply to Josh on 10/06/2009 5:22 PM

11/06/2009 9:19 AM


"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:959bf7dc-85f0-440b-98c1-3e230ee17614@m19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...

That new Big Boy Milwaukee looks pretty cool for a LOT less money.
Dunno much about it, but if feels very positive. It has enormous
capacity and uses off-the-shelf blades. That is the one thing, besides
price, I have put in the negative column when it comes to the Festool.
Desirable? Hell yes!



Not knocking your views in any way but while the Festool may require use of
its own brand blades, I am sure they could be resharpened several times.
And IMHO considering the Festool name I don't think that they are any/much
more expensive that any other quality brand blade.

Annnnnd there is that "price" thing of the saw. LOL


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