I have just been given a Scheppach TS2500CI for a wedding present.
Very generous and the wife loves the fact that I now spend all my time
in the garage!!!!
Having spent the requisite 2 days assembling it and some of the tables/
carriages that were also given to me I have come to the exciting part
of turning it on. Only problem is that it didn't come with a pour
adaptor....Not sure if this is normal but not a problem as I can
always buy an adaptor. Problem is that I don't know what to get.
There is a blue plug on the machine. Am I gonig to need to install a
new 16A cable from my junction box or is it possible to get an adaptor
that will convert my normal house ring main......not sure what amps
the machine works on as the manual is a bit rubbish.
On Jul 6, 8:28 am, rick_little99 <[email protected]> wrote:
> I have just been given a Scheppach TS2500CI for a wedding present.
Incredible! Most of us have had to write Thank Yous for the lovely
crystal, sheets,
and cheese boards, and you get THIS! You're pulling our legs? Can't
help
with the power problem other than specs. say its 230V. Unbelievable.
On Jul 6, 5:28 am, rick_little99 <[email protected]> wrote:
> I have just been given a Scheppach TS2500CI for a wedding present.
> Very generous and the wife loves the fact that I now spend all my time
> in the garage!!!!
>
> Having spent the requisite 2 days assembling it and some of the tables/
> carriages that were also given to me I have come to the exciting part
> of turning it on. Only problem is that it didn't come with a pour
> adaptor....Not sure if this is normal but not a problem as I can
> always buy an adaptor. Problem is that I don't know what to get.
> There is a blue plug on the machine. Am I gonig to need to install a
> new 16A cable from my junction box or is it possible to get an adaptor
> that will convert my normal house ring main......not sure what amps
> the machine works on as the manual is a bit rubbish.
The motor should have displayed on it somewhere the starting amperage
it requires. I think. Congratulations! Tom
There are elements of truth in both sides of the discussion in another
branch of this thread. Maybe some of the misunderstandings can be
cleared up - reference this site
http://users.goldengate.net/~kbrady/motors.pdf
for an explanation of horsepower calculations.
A motor converts electrical energy (watts) to mechanical energy
(torque). One horsepower is 33,000 foot-pounds of torque per minute. The
basic conversion factor used is 746 watts/horsepower. The unstated
assumption about this conversion is 100% conversion efficiency - which
is what causes a lot of confusion. Real world induction motors run at
around 60% efficiency, universal motors even lower.
So the stated specs from the Scheppach website confirm this (although
there is no such thing as "input horsepower" for an electric motor.)
Power input = 2.6 kW (3.5 HP) at 230 V
Power output = 2 kW (2.7 HP)
These specs give 11.3 amperes for a 2.7 HP motor, maybe a tad optimistic
(77% efficiency) - but hey, this could show superb German engineering.
Easy to remember, approximate values for single phase motors:
at 120 volts, 10 amps per horsepower
at 240 volts, 5 amps per horsepower
Back to the original question:
It's common for this type of machine to ship without a power plug, you
supply the one you need, or wire it directly to a shut-off switch. This
machine should have a dedicated electrical circuit. In the US, it would
run on a 15A circuit, but I would go up to a 20 A circuit to reduce the
wire resistance losses and better handle the starting current. You'll
have to size the supply circuit using local standards. Consult an
electrician.
Sounds like a wonderful present! Have fun making sawdust...
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rick_little99 wrote:
> I have just been given a Scheppach TS2500CI for a wedding present.
> Very generous and the wife loves the fact that I now spend all my time
> in the garage!!!!
>
> Having spent the requisite 2 days assembling it and some of the tables/
> carriages that were also given to me I have come to the exciting part
> of turning it on. Only problem is that it didn't come with a pour
> adaptor....Not sure if this is normal but not a problem as I can
> always buy an adaptor. Problem is that I don't know what to get.
> There is a blue plug on the machine. Am I gonig to need to install a
> new 16A cable from my junction box or is it possible to get an adaptor
> that will convert my normal house ring main......not sure what amps
> the machine works on as the manual is a bit rubbish.
>
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
> That said, a 3.5hp motor on 240v will draw about 18a. You will need to have
> some spare capacity beyond that; so 16a (or an existing circuit) probably
> aren't adequate.
>
Um, I make 3.5 hp out to be around 2.625 kW which should draw around 11A at
240V. That is not accounting for starting current.
I think around here they would mostly go up to 3-phases for that sort of motor.
cheers, -P.
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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> Um, I make you out to not knowing what you are talking about.
> Find me a real 3.5hp motor that draws 11a. Anywhere, US, UK, anywhere.
> (other than Sears that is.)
>
>
Just because I've had a cow of a day and I am as pissed off as hell already I
decided to follow this up.
So I went to Scheppach's site, and looked at the stats of that machine, just to
see WHAT kind of horses we're talking about. Surprise, surprise, they're
metric.
Power intake stated at 2.6 kW or 3.5 HP (in brackets)
Power output stated at 2 kW or 2.7 HP (in brackets).
Just to be sure. INTAKE: 2.6 kW at 220-240V equals 10.83Amps@240V, 11.8A@220V.
Actually it's not going to work that way, cause it won't draw a higher current
at 220V, but never mind. Ballpark figure is ~11A.
SURE I don't know what I am talking about, I only worked as a sparky in Germany
for a couple of years. I know damn well what kind of a max-load those guys
would put on a single phase circuit which is 220V and typically comes with a
16A circuit breaker in Germany.
Yes, starting current I'd expect to be higher than 11A. I expect they'll have a
starter fitted to stop it from going over the top. And for higher output they
offer a 3 phase motor. 400V, 3.8kW in, 2.9 kW output.
<mutter, mumble> -P.
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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> No, you don't know what you are talking about. It is a (at best) a 2.7hp
> motor, not a 3.5hp motor.
> I said to find a "real" 3.5hp motor, not a "input" 3.5hp motor.
> Go back to Germany.
It would help if you switched on your brain and cranked up your reading
comprehension before hitting the keyboard. We are/were talking about a
Scheppach tablesaw and not some putative 3.5 hp motor of your imagination.
Your last sentence however confirms that you are not only stupid, but also
rude. I've better things to do than to waste time on the village idiot.
*plonk*
-P.
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Somebody wrote:
> That said, a 3.5hp motor on 240v will draw about 18a. You will
need to have
> some spare capacity beyond that; so 16a (or an existing circuit)
probably
> aren't adequate.
How true.
You will need at least a 2P-30A c'bkr just to get past the inrush,
possibly even a 2P-40A.
You are looking at either #10AWG (30A) or #8AWG (40A) wire.
Anything smaller, you are kidding yourself.
Lew
"Peter Huebner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>>
>> That said, a 3.5hp motor on 240v will draw about 18a. You will need to
>> have
>> some spare capacity beyond that; so 16a (or an existing circuit) probably
>> aren't adequate.
>>
>
> Um, I make 3.5 hp out to be around 2.625 kW which should draw around 11A
> at
> 240V. That is not accounting for starting current.
> I think around here they would mostly go up to 3-phases for that sort of
> motor.
>
Um, I make you out to not knowing what you are talking about.
Find me a real 3.5hp motor that draws 11a. Anywhere, US, UK, anywhere.
(other than Sears that is.)
"dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Toller wrote:
> ...
>
>> No, you don't know what you are talking about. It is a (at best) a 2.7hp
>> motor, not a 3.5hp motor.
>
>
> Toller, you really _are_ an ass... :(
>
> 2.6 kW *1.3410 hp(British)/kW = 3.4866 --> 3.5 hp close enough for rating
> purposes...
>
The other moron quoted the manual as saying it was a 2.7hp motor.
But you can go on and argue otherwise.
"rick_little99" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I have just been given a Scheppach TS2500CI for a wedding present.
> Very generous and the wife loves the fact that I now spend all my time
> in the garage!!!!
>
> Having spent the requisite 2 days assembling it and some of the tables/
> carriages that were also given to me I have come to the exciting part
> of turning it on. Only problem is that it didn't come with a pour
> adaptor....Not sure if this is normal but not a problem as I can
> always buy an adaptor. Problem is that I don't know what to get.
> There is a blue plug on the machine. Am I gonig to need to install a
> new 16A cable from my junction box or is it possible to get an adaptor
> that will convert my normal house ring main......not sure what amps
> the machine works on as the manual is a bit rubbish.
>
I suggest contacting the company it was purchased from, Scheppach, or
posting on a UK group.
Odds are no one here will know.
That said, a 3.5hp motor on 240v will draw about 18a. You will need to have
some spare capacity beyond that; so 16a (or an existing circuit) probably
aren't adequate.
"Peter Huebner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>> Um, I make you out to not knowing what you are talking about.
>> Find me a real 3.5hp motor that draws 11a. Anywhere, US, UK, anywhere.
>> (other than Sears that is.)
>>
>>
>
> Just because I've had a cow of a day and I am as pissed off as hell
> already I
> decided to follow this up.
>
> So I went to Scheppach's site, and looked at the stats of that machine,
> just to
> see WHAT kind of horses we're talking about. Surprise, surprise, they're
> metric.
>
> Power intake stated at 2.6 kW or 3.5 HP (in brackets)
> Power output stated at 2 kW or 2.7 HP (in brackets).
>
> Just to be sure. INTAKE: 2.6 kW at 220-240V equals 10.83Amps@240V,
> 11.8A@220V.
> Actually it's not going to work that way, cause it won't draw a higher
> current
> at 220V, but never mind. Ballpark figure is ~11A.
>
> SURE I don't know what I am talking about, I only worked as a sparky in
> Germany
> for a couple of years. I know damn well what kind of a max-load those guys
> would put on a single phase circuit which is 220V and typically comes with
> a
> 16A circuit breaker in Germany.
>
No, you don't know what you are talking about. It is a (at best) a 2.7hp
motor, not a 3.5hp motor.
I said to find a "real" 3.5hp motor, not a "input" 3.5hp motor.
Go back to Germany.