Mr. Lee,
I know you (at least occasionally) monitor posts on this newsgroup, so
I wanted to throw out a suggestion, scratch that, I wanted to *beg* you
for a new Veritas product.
There is currently one manufacturer in the Milky Way Galaxy who makes
registered mortise chisels in true Imperial/fractional sizes:
Lie-Nielsen. I'm sure they are wonderful tools...just like Lee
Valley/Veritas they do excellent-quality work.
They are currently backordered for four months. I called, and they
said that demand so far exceeded supply that four months was the best I
could even hope for.
There is only one other manufacturer out there making something even
close, and that's HMG out of Germany...they sell exclusively on
Hartville Tool's website. I bought one because the catalogue
description said "square." Only to find out their idea of square is
actually to bevel the sides about 4 or 5 degrees inward. They are nice
chisels, and measure spot-on at the stated size, but there not
registered to say the least.
So I hereby grovel at thy feet to throw us poor yanks a bone and sell
some real imperial *registered* mortise chisels.
Can I get an Amen from the group here???
Doug Payne wrote:
> On 27/01/2006 12:55 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > There is currently one manufacturer in the Milky Way Galaxy who makes
> > registered mortise chisels in true Imperial/fractional sizes:
> > [...]
>
> These aren't Imperial sizes?
>
> http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=30010&cat=1,41504,41533&ap=1
That Robin acts fast!! ;-)
Doug Payne wrote:
> On 27/01/2006 12:55 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > There is currently one manufacturer in the Milky Way Galaxy who makes
> > registered mortise chisels in true Imperial/fractional sizes:
> > [...]
>
> These aren't Imperial sizes?
>
> http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=30010&cat=1,41504,41533&ap=1
No, they're not. Like all other chisels except Lie-Nielsen and the
(non-registered) HMG at Hartville Tool, they are acutally sized to the
closest millimeter.
Leon wrote:
> "Larry Bud" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > That Robin acts fast!! ;-)
> >
>
> Naw, hey had them already. OP did not Google LeeValley. LOL.
Wrong. Lee Valley's are only labeled imperial. They are sized metric.
Look it up.
What does it mean:
The blades (4-1/2" to 7" long) are rectangular in cross section and
TAPER 1/16" from the shoulder to the bevel. The heavy hardwood handles
(6-1/2" long) have steel hoops top and bottom and a thick leather shock
washer next to the bolster.
I know a bevel is on the cutting edge, but where is a shoulder on a
mortise chisel and why are they tapering something?
Alan
Robin Lee wrote:
>
> Hi -
>
> We'll get around to making chisels (eventually....!). So many tools....so
> little time.
>
> At the moment - we're still evaluating priorities in our R&D area every
> quarter, and while chisels are on the horizon - they're still pretty far
> off. We're starting to evaluate possible sources for forgings, and still
> have to investigate grinding (we'd do that ourselves).
>
> We hear you though.....
>
> Cheers -
>
> Rob Lee
Thanks for the answer...dissappointing as it was! :-)
There does, however, seem to be some disagreement as to whether or not
the Sorbys you currently sell are really Imperial/fractional, or just
sized to the nearest metric equivalent and labeled fractionally. Can
you verify either way?
Thanks again!
Leon wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> >
> >
> > Wrong. Lee Valley's are only labeled imperial. They are sized metric.
> >
> > Look it up.
> >
>
> I'll take your word for it THIS TIME.. LOL
I stand corrected, and VERY HAPPILY!! Sorry Leon!!
<[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> Doug Payne wrote:
>> On 27/01/2006 12:55 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>> > There is currently one manufacturer in the Milky Way Galaxy who makes
>> > registered mortise chisels in true Imperial/fractional sizes:
>> > [...]
>>
>> These aren't Imperial sizes?
>>
>> http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=30010&cat=1,41504,41533&ap=1
>
> No, they're not. Like all other chisels except Lie-Nielsen and the
> (non-registered) HMG at Hartville Tool, they are acutally sized to the
> closest millimeter.
Out of curiosity, why does this matter? Here's my thoughts on this... If you
chop out your mortises with a chisel, and set your marking gauge with that
same chisel so you can lay out the tennons, and assuming you saw to the
marks well, the tennons will fit the mortise. It's kind of like using a hand
made ruler... as long as you measure everything for a project with that
ruler the pieces will fit together regardless of how consistent the ruler's
markings. Do you have some other issue that is of concern?
John
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> Wrong. Lee Valley's are only labeled imperial. They are sized metric.
>
> Look it up.
>
I'll take your word for it THIS TIME.. LOL
"Larry Bud" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> That Robin acts fast!! ;-)
>
Naw, hey had them already. OP did not Google LeeValley. LOL.
"Mark & Juanita" wrote in message
> The forgetting to shower part is bad enough,
Particularly bad if you've ever been to an overheated European dance
hall/club on a freezing cold night when the patrons wore their woolies to
get there ... wool gets cleaned even less.
> but then there's also the
> women refusing to shave that really tears it. ;-)
As long as they know when stop ... the modern American woman tends to get a
little too intimate with her razor, or so I hear. ;)
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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> "John Grossbohlin" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Out of curiosity, why does this matter? Here's my thoughts on this... If you
> >chop out your mortises with a chisel, and set your marking gauge with that
> >same chisel so you can lay out the tennons, and assuming you saw to the
> >marks well, the tennons will fit the mortise. It's kind of like using a hand
> >made ruler... as long as you measure everything for a project with that
> >ruler the pieces will fit together regardless of how consistent the ruler's
> >markings. Do you have some other issue that is of concern?
>
> It's a matter of principle. You can't let the camel get his nose under
> the tent. Today it might just be metric-dimensioned joinery buried in
> our furniture, but if you don't stand up for what you believe, soon
> they will be teaching metric in the schools, and before you know what
> has hit you, they will confiscate all of your measuring teaspoons,
> tablespoons, cups and quarts!
>
> Do what's right! Stand up for imperial measures, and fight
> metrification!
>
We Canadians are fully "metricated", but the teaspoons, tablespoons and
cups are still alive and well. But you're right to be wary -- the
metric system was, after all, a French invention. Once it takes hold,
people start voting for socialists and forgetting to shower.
;-)
Rick
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> I've been working on mixed metric/sae vehicles for years. What's the
> difference?
>
IMHO, none for woodworking. I prefer imperial measurements, probably
'cause that's what I learned first. OTOH, metric is far superior for
engineering. I recall what a pain it was when, as a student, we had to
go from metric (used in physics) to the Imperial used at that time in
engineering, with all the bizarre conversion factors that were required.
Rick
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
<snip>
>
> So I hereby grovel at thy feet to throw us poor yanks a bone and sell
> some real imperial *registered* mortise chisels.
>
> Can I get an Amen from the group here???
>
Hi -
We'll get around to making chisels (eventually....!). So many tools....so
little time.
At the moment - we're still evaluating priorities in our R&D area every
quarter, and while chisels are on the horizon - they're still pretty far
off. We're starting to evaluate possible sources for forgings, and still
have to investigate grinding (we'd do that ourselves).
We hear you though.....
Cheers -
Rob Lee
arw01 wrote:
> What does it mean:
>
> The blades (4-1/2" to 7" long) are rectangular in cross section and
> TAPER 1/16" from the shoulder to the bevel. The heavy hardwood handles
> (6-1/2" long) have steel hoops top and bottom and a thick leather shock
> washer next to the bolster.
>
> I know a bevel is on the cutting edge, but where is a shoulder on a
> mortise chisel and why are they tapering something?
>
> Alan
I'm pretty sure that the 'shoulder' is where the blade attaches to the
handle, even if there isn't a appriciable ledge there. Presumably they
are tapered this way so the edges of the blade don't bind on the edges
if the mortise when you're chopping one really deep. The downside being
that this contact helps register the cut properly.
{} <- handle
/\ <- blade
-- <- edge
vs.
()
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On 27/01/2006 12:55 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> There is currently one manufacturer in the Milky Way Galaxy who makes
> registered mortise chisels in true Imperial/fractional sizes:
> [...]
These aren't Imperial sizes?
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=30010&cat=1,41504,41533&ap=1
On 27/01/2006 3:36 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> These aren't Imperial sizes?
>>
>> http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=30010&cat=1,41504,41533&ap=1
>
> No, they're not. Like all other chisels except Lie-Nielsen and the
> (non-registered) HMG at Hartville Tool, they are acutally sized to the
> closest millimeter.
They've changed then. Mine are real Imperial, fractional metric. i.e.
1/4" is 6.4 mm, 3/8" is 9.5 mm, 1/2" is 12.7 mm, not the other way
round. I guess they're older.
On 27/01/2006 12:55 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> There is currently one manufacturer in the Milky Way Galaxy who makes
> registered mortise chisels in true Imperial/fractional sizes:
> Lie-Nielsen.
>
> They are currently backordered for four months.
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-LOT-5-Lie-Nielsen-Mortise-Chisels-in-Hornbeam_W0QQitemZ6246653530QQcategoryZ13871QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 19:00:41 -0700, with neither quill nor qualm, Mark
& Juanita <[email protected]> quickly quoth:
>On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 01:27:12 GMT, Java Man <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>>We Canadians are fully "metricated", but the teaspoons, tablespoons and
>>cups are still alive and well. But you're right to be wary -- the
>>metric system was, after all, a French invention. Once it takes hold,
>>people start voting for socialists and forgetting to shower.
>
> The forgetting to shower part is bad enough, but then there's also the
>women refusing to shave that really tears it. ;-)
They all smoke, don't shower enough, don't wear ANY deodorant (which
tears it for me), and don't shave their pits or legs. Yeah, like I
want to go to Europe. 'Course, their women are slimmer than ours, but
I just found a slim one here. They can keep their Eurail Passes.
I've been working on mixed metric/sae vehicles for years. What's the
difference? Metrics are slightly more standardized. I have tools for
both so it matters not to me. I'm learning to think in both metric and
sae when doing anything any more. (Does that make me bi-standardized?)
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On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 01:27:12 GMT, Java Man <[email protected]>
wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] says...
>> "John Grossbohlin" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >Out of curiosity, why does this matter? Here's my thoughts on this... If you
>> >chop out your mortises with a chisel, and set your marking gauge with that
>> >same chisel so you can lay out the tennons, and assuming you saw to the
>> >marks well, the tennons will fit the mortise. It's kind of like using a hand
>> >made ruler... as long as you measure everything for a project with that
>> >ruler the pieces will fit together regardless of how consistent the ruler's
>> >markings. Do you have some other issue that is of concern?
>>
>> It's a matter of principle. You can't let the camel get his nose under
>> the tent. Today it might just be metric-dimensioned joinery buried in
>> our furniture, but if you don't stand up for what you believe, soon
>> they will be teaching metric in the schools, and before you know what
>> has hit you, they will confiscate all of your measuring teaspoons,
>> tablespoons, cups and quarts!
>>
>> Do what's right! Stand up for imperial measures, and fight
>> metrification!
>>
>We Canadians are fully "metricated", but the teaspoons, tablespoons and
>cups are still alive and well. But you're right to be wary -- the
>metric system was, after all, a French invention. Once it takes hold,
>people start voting for socialists and forgetting to shower.
>
The forgetting to shower part is bad enough, but then there's also the
women refusing to shave that really tears it. ;-)
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<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
<snip>
>
> There does, however, seem to be some disagreement as to whether or not
> the Sorbys you currently sell are really Imperial/fractional, or just
> sized to the nearest metric equivalent and labeled fractionally. Can
> you verify either way?
>
> Thanks again!
>
Hi -
Just measured 'em myself.... they're Imperial sized. The metric measurements
are converted...
Cheers -
Rob
On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:55:10 -0000, <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> registered mortise chisels
Oh, just _great_! Bloody Liberals. First it's our guns, now it's
our chisels which have to be registered. When will it end?
;)
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"John Grossbohlin" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Out of curiosity, why does this matter? Here's my thoughts on this... If you
>chop out your mortises with a chisel, and set your marking gauge with that
>same chisel so you can lay out the tennons, and assuming you saw to the
>marks well, the tennons will fit the mortise. It's kind of like using a hand
>made ruler... as long as you measure everything for a project with that
>ruler the pieces will fit together regardless of how consistent the ruler's
>markings. Do you have some other issue that is of concern?
It's a matter of principle. You can't let the camel get his nose under
the tent. Today it might just be metric-dimensioned joinery buried in
our furniture, but if you don't stand up for what you believe, soon
they will be teaching metric in the schools, and before you know what
has hit you, they will confiscate all of your measuring teaspoons,
tablespoons, cups and quarts!
Do what's right! Stand up for imperial measures, and fight
metrification!
<G>
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:55:10 -0000, <[email protected]> wrote:
> registered mortise chisels
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On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 05:30:30 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
>I've been working on mixed metric/sae vehicles for years. What's the
>difference? Metrics are slightly more standardized. I have tools for
>both so it matters not to me. I'm learning to think in both metric and
>sae when doing anything any more. (Does that make me bi-standardized?)
>
>
>-
> Better Living Through Denial
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IMHO, automotive tools are the only place where I prefer metric..
sometimes, my mind just isn't up t0 doing fractions when 19/64 or something
doesn't fit..
SO much easier to just go up or down a number and grab the right wrench..
Mac
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On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 21:46:26 GMT, Java Man
<[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] says...
>> I've been working on mixed metric/sae vehicles for years. What's the
>> difference?
>>
>IMHO, none for woodworking. I prefer imperial measurements, probably
>'cause that's what I learned first. OTOH, metric is far superior for
>engineering. I recall what a pain it was when, as a student, we had to
>go from metric (used in physics) to the Imperial used at that time in
>engineering, with all the bizarre conversion factors that were required.
Actually neither is better for any particular application in that
sense, it is when you try to mix systems that it gets complicated.
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Larry Bud wrote:
> Doug Payne wrote:
>
>>On 27/01/2006 12:55 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>
>>>There is currently one manufacturer in the Milky Way Galaxy who makes
>>>registered mortise chisels in true Imperial/fractional sizes:
>>>[...]
>>
>>These aren't Imperial sizes?
>>
>>http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=30010&cat=1,41504,41533&ap=1
>
>
> That Robin acts fast!! ;-)
Who could resist such an entreaty?
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