Just got the Craftsman 22124 yesterday. Walked it off the tailgate of my
pissant (S10) pick up and then noticed scraped metal on the gate. Once I got
the cardboard off the saw, I discovered a square steel tubing welded frame
around the entire saw. The legs scraped my tailgate. The extensions were packed
in 2" + styrofoam, and the motor had a thick, fitted styrofoam cover. Add that
to the overall strength of the cast iron trunnions on this machine, and I doubt
many will be delivered with cracked trunnions. Or much of anything else.
Unwieldy to get off without scratching the saw, but a great idea.
Charlie Self
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or
not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." Ernest Benn
Congrats on your new toy. Looks to be a solid tool, be sure to give us
a review of how it performs for you after you have had a chance to run a
few hundred bf through it! And I could not find it in the web
literature - does this saw have a left tilting blade?
Charlie Self wrote:
> Just got the Craftsman 22124 yesterday. Walked it off the tailgate of my
> pissant (S10) pick up and then noticed scraped metal on the gate. Once I got
> the cardboard off the saw, I discovered a square steel tubing welded frame
> around the entire saw. The legs scraped my tailgate. The extensions were packed
> in 2" + styrofoam, and the motor had a thick, fitted styrofoam cover. Add that
> to the overall strength of the cast iron trunnions on this machine, and I doubt
> many will be delivered with cracked trunnions. Or much of anything else.
>
> Unwieldy to get off without scratching the saw, but a great idea.
>
> Charlie Self
> "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or
> not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." Ernest Benn
Charlie,
Is this one you're doing a review on or one you purchased for your shop?
Bob S.
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Just got the Craftsman 22124 yesterday. Walked it off the tailgate of my
> pissant (S10) pick up and then noticed scraped metal on the gate. Once I
got
> the cardboard off the saw, I discovered a square steel tubing welded frame
> around the entire saw. The legs scraped my tailgate. The extensions were
packed
> in 2" + styrofoam, and the motor had a thick, fitted styrofoam cover. Add
that
> to the overall strength of the cast iron trunnions on this machine, and I
doubt
> many will be delivered with cracked trunnions. Or much of anything else.
>
> Unwieldy to get off without scratching the saw, but a great idea.
>
> Charlie Self
> "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists
or
> not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." Ernest
Benn
Bob S. asks:
>
>Is this one you're doing a review on or one you purchased for your shop?
>
>Bob S.
>
It's for a review, for Woodworker's Journal electronic newsletter.
The Craftsman haters are going to hate the review.
Charlie Self
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or
not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." Ernest Benn
"Mark Jerde" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> leadership / management can turn it around. I have no objection to
> Craftsman improving their quality. I look forward to your review.
Yeah - look at the bright side: I don't have to change my opinion of
Craftsman. I grew up when they made good stuff. If they slip quality stuff
back in while I'm not looking, all the better.
Kind'a like Jeep: CJ -> YJ -> TJ.
Where can one subscribe to the Woodworker's Journal electronic newsletter.
Thanks,
John
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Bob S. asks:
>
> >
> >Is this one you're doing a review on or one you purchased for your shop?
> >
> >Bob S.
> >
>
> It's for a review, for Woodworker's Journal electronic newsletter.
>
> The Craftsman haters are going to hate the review.
>
> Charlie Self
> "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists
or
> not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." Ernest
Benn
John Pilhoefer writes:
>Where can one subscribe to the Woodworker's Journal electronic newsletter
[email protected]
or to see archives
http://www.woodworkersjournal.com/ezine/archivepage.cfm
WWJ is the best general newsletter going for woodworkers, IMO. Rob uses just
about every source possible to come up with useful information.
Charlie Self
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or
not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." Ernest Benn
Charlie Self wrote:
> John Pilhoefer writes:
>
>
>>Where can one subscribe to the Woodworker's Journal electronic newsletter
>
>
> [email protected]
>
> or to see archives
>
> http://www.woodworkersjournal.com/ezine/archivepage.cfm
>
> WWJ is the best general newsletter going for woodworkers, IMO. Rob uses just
> about every source possible to come up with useful information.
>
> Charlie Self
> "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or
> not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." Ernest Benn
That address bounced
550 5.1.2 <[email protected]>... Host unknown (Name
server: xtinmail1.exacttarget.com.: host not found)
but http://www.woodworkersjournal.com/ezine/subscribe.cfm works
Joe
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> Unwieldy to get off without scratching the saw, but a great idea.
Did a stint in a manufacturing setup and had a chance to chat with some
Packaging Engineers. Quite a science they've got there. Solid grounding in
Physics *and* accounting to balance all of the costs.
Always wondered why Griz and Delta and <...> apparently feel that returns
are cheaper than packaging.
On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 07:40:49 -0400, "RKON" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Charlie:
>
>Any plans by you/them to review the Saw Stop? based on all of threads all
>over the Forumns it would be very popular. I was in a Sears Hardware store
>the day before last and they did not have them on the floor. I'd be anxious
>to see your writeup. Is there any comaprison to the Dewalt?
>
>Regards
>Rich
>
sawstop is reviewed (sorta) in the latest fine woodworking.
Charlie:
Any plans by you/them to review the Saw Stop? based on all of threads all
over the Forumns it would be very popular. I was in a Sears Hardware store
the day before last and they did not have them on the floor. I'd be anxious
to see your writeup. Is there any comaprison to the Dewalt?
Regards
Rich
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Just got the Craftsman 22124 yesterday. Walked it off the tailgate of my
> pissant (S10) pick up and then noticed scraped metal on the gate. Once I
got
> the cardboard off the saw, I discovered a square steel tubing welded frame
> around the entire saw. The legs scraped my tailgate. The extensions were
packed
> in 2" + styrofoam, and the motor had a thick, fitted styrofoam cover. Add
that
> to the overall strength of the cast iron trunnions on this machine, and I
doubt
> many will be delivered with cracked trunnions. Or much of anything else.
>
> Unwieldy to get off without scratching the saw, but a great idea.
>
> Charlie Self
> "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists
or
> not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." Ernest
Benn
Rich asks:
>Charlie:
>
>Any plans by you/them to review the Saw Stop? based on all of threads all
>over the Forumns it would be very popular. I was in a Sears Hardware store
>the day before last and they did not have them on the floor. I'd be anxious
>to see your writeup. Is there any comaprison to the Dewalt?
AFAIK, there are NO review samples of Sawstop saws. You are not going to see
them on the floor at Sears or any other retailer until they get past the
pre-order stage, a point at which they've been stuck for at least two years
now. When the time comes, I'd love to review one, but I'll do the same testing
Sawstop has done--much prefer sticking a Nathan's product in that blade rather
than my finger. The review would have to include setting the thing off, of
course. Then figure out how much hassle it is to replace the cartridge and
check to see how much damage it did to the rest of the saw.
If you mean you didn't see the new Craftsman 22124 saws on the floor, I've got
a feeling they're a bit thin on the ground right. Introduction was only a
little over a month ago. If, as I suspect, acceptance is high, it's going to be
hard to keep them in stock.
I have used the DeWalt hybrid, but haven't yet take it apart--or for that
matter, assembled one--so all I can say is that I like the fence on the
Craftsman a LOT better. Of course, it's a Biesemeyer commercial 30", so...but
DW does offer a sliding table, which, at this point, Craftsman does not.
I'm interested in seeing how this hybrid saw tune plays out over the next six
months or year. There should be some response from both Jet and DeWalt as to
changes in their saws to justify the cost--very close to that of the new
Craftsman.
Charlie Self
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or
not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." Ernest Benn
I am happy to see the Craftsman "Professional Grade" saw get reviewed.
I will be looking forward towards your review as well as others in the
rest of the woodworking magazine world. I think you are right about
these new saws being a little hard to get right now. I was very lucky
to get one right away within a week of the first display. Believe me,
it took some elbow wrangling and a very cooperative store mangager to
get it so quickly. Who knows! Maybe I'm the first one to buy one and
actually be using it on a daily basis! So far, I have been very happy
with the performance and accuracy of the cuts it makes. The Beismeyer
works as advertised and ripping is very smooth. The hold down miter
comes in very handy and has proven to yield 90 degrees every time,
once I set the positive stop. I am waiting til Monday for a dado
insert. Too new to have them stocked in store. Here in the Seattle
environs, the saws are on display in the Alderwood, Shoreline and Soho
stores. I'm sure there are others, but I can't verify.
Well,.........hope you have as much fun putting the saw together as I
did! I'm still using the steel cage it came in as a staining rack. For
others out there who might be curious, it's definitely worth a look!
MrMortise
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> FWIW, for those in the Hartford, CT area, there's one on display at the
> Sears in the Enfield Mall.
>
Hmmm. Interesting that the Sears Hardware in Vernon didn't have one but the
Enfield Sears did.
Rich
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> I'm interested in seeing how this hybrid saw tune plays out over the next
six
> months or year. There should be some response from both Jet and DeWalt as
to
> changes in their saws to justify the cost--very close to that of the new
> Craftsman.
As I SuperSaw buyer, I too looked at the specs of the new Craftsman. The 1
3/4 horse lines up w/ the hybrids. But is the main difference in the
trunions? The Craftsman being more "cabinet-ish" and the hybrids more
"contractor-esque"?
Patrick Conroy asks:
>> I'm interested in seeing how this hybrid saw tune plays out over the next
>six
>> months or year. There should be some response from both Jet and DeWalt as
>to
>> changes in their saws to justify the cost--very close to that of the new
>> Craftsman.
>
>As I SuperSaw buyer, I too looked at the specs of the new Craftsman. The 1
>3/4 horse lines up w/ the hybrids. But is the main difference in the
>trunions? The Craftsman being more "cabinet-ish" and the hybrids more
>"contractor-esque"?
I think so, but as I said earlier, I have not examined the Jet and DeWalt saws
very closely, so I do NOT know for sure. I don't think either of the others has
the trunnions mounted on the cabinet, nor do I think they have cast iron
trunnions. But that's an impression, not a fact.
Charlie Self
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or
not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." Ernest Benn
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I think so, but as I said earlier, I have not examined the Jet and DeWalt
saws
> But that's an impression, not a fact.
I'm too stupid^H^H^H^H^H^Hnew to know a trunnion from a mullion - but as I
said, I've got the Jet hybrid. If you need me to send you some digital pix
of the innards, let me know and I'd be happy to.
Patrick Conroy notes:
>"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>> I think so, but as I said earlier, I have not examined the Jet and DeWalt
>saws
>> But that's an impression, not a fact.
>
>I'm too stupid^H^H^H^H^H^Hnew to know a trunnion from a mullion - but as I
>said, I've got the Jet hybrid. If you need me to send you some digital pix
>of the innards, let me know and I'd be happy to
That would be great. Drop the notforme from my email address.
Take your time, though. I'm up to my ears at the moment. Still suffering from
moving two weeks ago--in that the house is overfull, the shop is a mess, I just
got a new camera I'm trying to get used to, trying to get things in shape to
make the house livable and the shop usable, trying to get the youngest kid to
clear her unused things out what will be my new office, clear out the spare
bedroom in case anyone is ever crazy enough to visit and more fun stuff.
I will NOT move again. At least not this year.
Charlie Self
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or
not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." Ernest Benn
Charlie Self wrote:
> Rich asks:
>
>>Charlie:
>>
>>Any plans by you/them to review the Saw Stop? based on all of threads all
>>over the Forumns it would be very popular. I was in a Sears Hardware store
>>the day before last and they did not have them on the floor. I'd be
>>anxious to see your writeup. Is there any comaprison to the Dewalt?
>
> AFAIK, there are NO review samples of Sawstop saws. You are not going to
> see them on the floor at Sears or any other retailer until they get past
> the pre-order stage, a point at which they've been stuck for at least two
> years now. When the time comes, I'd love to review one, but I'll do the
> same testing Sawstop has done--much prefer sticking a Nathan's product in
> that blade rather than my finger. The review would have to include setting
> the thing off, of course. Then figure out how much hassle it is to replace
> the cartridge and check to see how much damage it did to the rest of the
> saw.
>
> If you mean you didn't see the new Craftsman 22124 saws on the floor, I've
> got a feeling they're a bit thin on the ground right. Introduction was
> only a little over a month ago. If, as I suspect, acceptance is high, it's
> going to be hard to keep them in stock.
FWIW, for those in the Hartford, CT area, there's one on display at the
Sears in the Enfield Mall.
> I have used the DeWalt hybrid, but haven't yet take it apart--or for that
> matter, assembled one--so all I can say is that I like the fence on the
> Craftsman a LOT better. Of course, it's a Biesemeyer commercial 30",
> so...but DW does offer a sliding table, which, at this point, Craftsman
> does not.
>
> I'm interested in seeing how this hybrid saw tune plays out over the next
> six months or year. There should be some response from both Jet and DeWalt
> as to changes in their saws to justify the cost--very close to that of the
> new Craftsman.
>
> Charlie Self
> "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists
> or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." Ernest
> Benn
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