Sb

"SonomaProducts.com"

21/09/2010 10:34 AM

Sketchup mess-up

I stated how I model in 3D in sketchup and then manually create 2D
drawings in AutoCAD. If I were in a true production environment I
would have a checker review my 2D drawings or even better dump dxf to
AutoCAD frpom a Pro version os SU. My short cuts bit me in the ass
last night.

I have 12 little pine cabinet kits all boxed up and ready to sell.
This is the first run of this newly detailed design that I've built
before "one-off" but just now put into production with official
drawings.

I was building one sample to use for pictures and to test the design,
only to find one part 7" wide vs the 6 1/2" it must be. I have to
unbox all 12 now and replace the part, and maybe some others, I
haven't yet gone through and checked the rest of the design to see
what else is wrong. I was so disgusted I just dropped the nail gun,
capped the glue, went inside and had a beer.

Live and (never seem) to learn.


This topic has 35 replies

Ll

"Leon"

in reply to "SonomaProducts.com" on 21/09/2010 10:34 AM

22/09/2010 8:25 AM


"SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >
>> I am confused as to how this is a Sketchup mess-up.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> You are sematically correct. My point... the way I am using Sketchup
> is not optimal. Perhaps if I paid for the pro version I could have a
> better workflow and dump dxf directly to CAD, or maybe I should just
> learn to detail my parts in Sketchup..

Gotcha!

Detailing in Sketchup for me is easier than in 2D with AutoCAD LT. I used
that program for 10+ years and now Sketchup gets all of my drawings.

Something to consider, you can do 2D in Sketchup. There is a free plug-in
for Sketchup called Cut List 4.0 that will export a data file with all the
dimensions and pieces needed. I use that plug-in to import data into Cut
List Plus for material optimization.

Rc

Robatoy

in reply to "SonomaProducts.com" on 21/09/2010 10:34 AM

23/09/2010 6:00 AM

On Sep 23, 7:20=A0am, "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robert Bonomi wrote:
> > In article <[email protected]>, dadiOH
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> -MIKE- wrote:
> >>> On 9/21/10 1:13 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
> >>>>> Yeah, but what kind of beer?
>
> >>>> I happened to have a few cold bottles of Pacifico on hand which
> >>>> remind me of wayward days spent in Mexico.
>
> >>> Hope it's better than Corona. =A0:-)
> >>> I'll enjoy the occasional DosXX Amber on draft at the local
> >>> taqueria, but that's about as light as I can go in color.
>
> >> Finally! =A0Someone else who thinks Corona is over rated horse piss.
> >> The dark DosXX is a nice beer.
>
> > It _should_ be better.
>
> > After all, they use _two_ horses --hence the name =A0DOS Equus.
>
> Equis. =A0Dos equis. =A0"Equis" is the Spanish pronunciation for "X".
>
Oh, FFS...

dd

"dadiOH"

in reply to "SonomaProducts.com" on 21/09/2010 10:34 AM

24/09/2010 7:19 AM

Robert Bonomi wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> dadiOH <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Robert Bonomi wrote:
>>> In article <[email protected]>, dadiOH
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>>>> On 9/21/10 1:13 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>>>>>>> Yeah, but what kind of beer?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I happened to have a few cold bottles of Pacifico on hand which
>>>>>> remind me of wayward days spent in Mexico.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope it's better than Corona. :-)
>>>>> I'll enjoy the occasional DosXX Amber on draft at the local
>>>>> taqueria, but that's about as light as I can go in color.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Finally! Someone else who thinks Corona is over rated horse piss.
>>>> The dark DosXX is a nice beer.
>>>
>>>
>>> It _should_ be better.
>>>
>>> After all, they use _two_ horses --hence the name DOS Equus.
>>
>> Equis. Dos equis. "Equis" is the Spanish pronunciation for "X".
>>
>
> What are you trying to do??!!!!
>
> Confusing a good story with -facts-.
>
> That that's a crime that can get you thrown off the Internet
> *entirely*, is a fact you are aware of, right?

Well, I am now :)

I presume I shouldn't run for public office either, right?

--

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Gordon Shumway

in reply to "SonomaProducts.com" on 21/09/2010 10:34 AM

21/09/2010 2:14 PM

On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 10:34:30 -0700 (PDT), "SonomaProducts.com"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I stated how I model in 3D in sketchup and then manually create 2D
>drawings in AutoCAD. If I were in a true production environment I
>would have a checker review my 2D drawings or even better dump dxf to
>AutoCAD frpom a Pro version os SU. My short cuts bit me in the ass
>last night.
>
>I have 12 little pine cabinet kits all boxed up and ready to sell.
>This is the first run of this newly detailed design that I've built
>before "one-off" but just now put into production with official
>drawings.
>
>I was building one sample to use for pictures and to test the design,
>only to find one part 7" wide vs the 6 1/2" it must be. I have to
>unbox all 12 now and replace the part, and maybe some others, I
>haven't yet gone through and checked the rest of the design to see
>what else is wrong. I was so disgusted I just dropped the nail gun,
>capped the glue, went inside and had a beer.
>
>Live and (never seem) to learn.

Hahaha. I'm sure glad I've never done anything stupid like that... in
the last week, er... Never mind.

LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to "SonomaProducts.com" on 21/09/2010 10:34 AM

22/09/2010 7:59 AM


"dadiOH" wrote:
> Finally! Someone else who thinks Corona is over rated horse piss.
-------------------------------
WHAT???

You mean you don't like Mexican Budweiser?

For shame<G>.

Lew

Sb

"SonomaProducts.com"

in reply to "SonomaProducts.com" on 21/09/2010 10:34 AM

21/09/2010 11:13 AM

> Yeah, but what kind of beer?

I happened to have a few cold bottles of Pacifico on hand which remind
me of wayward days spent in Mexico.

Sb

"SonomaProducts.com"

in reply to "SonomaProducts.com" on 21/09/2010 10:34 AM

21/09/2010 11:11 AM

> Hey, be thankful it wasn't 6 1/2" and needed to be 7", your mistake can
> be fixed without stretching the board.

Well... It has some milling, specifically pocket screw holes that mess
up that idea. However, I can easily pull these pieces from my scrap
pile. I also have several hundred board feet of Pine left from my last
big haul.

Kl

Kevin

in reply to "SonomaProducts.com" on 21/09/2010 10:34 AM

24/09/2010 12:20 AM

On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 15:42:19 -0500, [email protected]
(Robert Bonomi) wrote:

>The only 'problem' here is that Skechup didn't make it easy/obvious enough
>to do the checking needed to catch the inconsistency.

How exactly is Sketchup supposed to tell him the numbers he put into
AutoCAD are wrong? Or is it supposed to explain that boxing up all
the parts before checking them is a bad idea?

I just throw dimensions onto the 3D drawing and print it with however
many views I need to get the point across.

Ll

"Leon"

in reply to "SonomaProducts.com" on 21/09/2010 10:34 AM

21/09/2010 2:04 PM


"SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I stated how I model in 3D in sketchup and then manually create 2D
> drawings in AutoCAD. If I were in a true production environment I
> would have a checker review my 2D drawings or even better dump dxf to
> AutoCAD frpom a Pro version os SU. My short cuts bit me in the ass
> last night.
>
> I have 12 little pine cabinet kits all boxed up and ready to sell.
> This is the first run of this newly detailed design that I've built
> before "one-off" but just now put into production with official
> drawings.
>
> I was building one sample to use for pictures and to test the design,
> only to find one part 7" wide vs the 6 1/2" it must be. I have to
> unbox all 12 now and replace the part, and maybe some others, I
> haven't yet gone through and checked the rest of the design to see
> what else is wrong. I was so disgusted I just dropped the nail gun,
> capped the glue, went inside and had a beer.
>
> Live and (never seem) to learn.

I am confused as to how this is a Sketchup mess-up.

bR

[email protected] (Robert Bonomi)

in reply to "SonomaProducts.com" on 21/09/2010 10:34 AM

22/09/2010 3:28 PM

In article <[email protected]>, dadiOH <[email protected]> wrote:
>-MIKE- wrote:
>> On 9/21/10 1:13 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>>>> Yeah, but what kind of beer?
>>>
>>> I happened to have a few cold bottles of Pacifico on hand which
>>> remind me of wayward days spent in Mexico.
>>>
>>
>> Hope it's better than Corona. :-)
>> I'll enjoy the occasional DosXX Amber on draft at the local taqueria,
>> but that's about as light as I can go in color.
>
>
>Finally! Someone else who thinks Corona is over rated horse piss. The dark
>DosXX is a nice beer.


It _should_ be better.

After all, they use _two_ horses --hence the name DOS Equus.


<*GRIN*>

Sk

Swingman

in reply to "SonomaProducts.com" on 21/09/2010 10:34 AM

21/09/2010 2:08 PM

On 9/21/2010 12:34 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
> I stated how I model in 3D in sketchup and then manually create 2D
> drawings in AutoCAD. If I were in a true production environment I
> would have a checker review my 2D drawings or even better dump dxf to
> AutoCAD frpom a Pro version os SU. My short cuts bit me in the ass
> last night.

You're not the only one who get's bit when transferring parts and their
dimensions from one environment to the another.

I don't have a checker either, so routinely double, triple, and
quadruple check my own work, but still have been known to make the same
mistake I made the first time.

I live in fear of batch cutting dozens of the same parts for a run of
cabinets, only to find them on the too small side.

--
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Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)

bR

[email protected] (Robert Bonomi)

in reply to "SonomaProducts.com" on 21/09/2010 10:34 AM

22/09/2010 3:42 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>I stated how I model in 3D in sketchup and then manually create 2D
>> drawings in AutoCAD. If I were in a true production environment I
>> would have a checker review my 2D drawings or even better dump dxf to
>> AutoCAD frpom a Pro version os SU. My short cuts bit me in the ass
>> last night.
>>
>> I have 12 little pine cabinet kits all boxed up and ready to sell.
>> This is the first run of this newly detailed design that I've built
>> before "one-off" but just now put into production with official
>> drawings.
>>
>> I was building one sample to use for pictures and to test the design,
>> only to find one part 7" wide vs the 6 1/2" it must be. I have to
>> unbox all 12 now and replace the part, and maybe some others, I
>> haven't yet gone through and checked the rest of the design to see
>> what else is wrong. I was so disgusted I just dropped the nail gun,
>> capped the glue, went inside and had a beer.
>>
>> Live and (never seem) to learn.
>
>I am confused as to how this is a Sketchup mess-up.

He didn't say it was Sketchuup's -fault-. <grin>

He messed up, using it, and it _didn't_ warn/save him.

Like one of the classical sayings about Unix;

'It will _willingly_ hand you enough rope to hang yourself.'


The only 'problem' here is that Skechup didn't make it easy/obvious enough
to do the checking needed to catch the inconsistency.

Mm

Markem

in reply to "SonomaProducts.com" on 21/09/2010 10:34 AM

22/09/2010 5:49 PM

On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:42:20 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sep 22, 10:59 am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "dadiOH" wrote:
>> > Finally!  Someone else who thinks Corona is over rated horse piss.
>>
>> -------------------------------
>> WHAT???
>>
>> You mean you don't like Mexican Budweiser?
>>
>> For shame<G>.
>>
>> Lew
>
>When I walk in somewhere and somebody puts a beer in my hands, I will
>drink it as I am not _that_ fussy.
>However, I only buy:
>
>http://www.erdinger.de/en/Company/Brewery.html
>
>or
>
>http://www.grolsch.com/index.php
>
>Erdinger also has the distinction of making the only drinkable non-
>alcoholic beer and Grolsch makes a 2.5% that is absolutely drinkable.

A place across the river in Missouri

http://www.charlevillevineyard.com/?location=microbrews

Mark

Sb

"SonomaProducts.com"

in reply to "SonomaProducts.com" on 21/09/2010 10:34 AM

24/09/2010 10:17 AM

=A0Or is it supposed to explain that boxing up all
> the parts before checking them is a bad idea?
>

Ouch!

I have my first test run of about a dozen each of a dozen products to
try and officially launch my woodworking kit business and getting to
the finish line is like running through molasses. My real job, family,
drinking, chasing women, home repair, lack of funds, etc. are all
conspiring to slow me down. I am so close I am just trying to button
up the last few items and yes, took a risk to get things boxed and out
of the shop so I could have room to try and actually assemble a few
items, take pictures, etc.

I have only had one or two small snags... so far.

Sb

"SonomaProducts.com"

in reply to "SonomaProducts.com" on 21/09/2010 10:34 AM

21/09/2010 2:44 PM

I firmly believe that any software that tries to be all things
> to all tasks is going to disappoint in some regard sooner or later.
>


I agree and is one of the reasons I manage 26 different (CAD like)
software products all targeting different parts of the same process
for simialr users.

LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to "SonomaProducts.com" on 21/09/2010 10:34 AM

22/09/2010 7:33 AM

On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 08:50:11 -0400, "dadiOH" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>-MIKE- wrote:
>> On 9/21/10 1:13 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>>>> Yeah, but what kind of beer?
>>>
>>> I happened to have a few cold bottles of Pacifico on hand which
>>> remind me of wayward days spent in Mexico.
>>>
>>
>> Hope it's better than Corona. :-)
>> I'll enjoy the occasional DosXX Amber on draft at the local taqueria,
>> but that's about as light as I can go in color.
>
>
>Finally! Someone else who thinks Corona is over rated horse piss. The dark
>DosXX is a nice beer.

ALL beer is overrated horse piss. I can't believe I drank that stinky
suff. Coors almost went belly-up the day I sobered up. (Coors, Pepsi,
and Bacardi)

--
Some people hear voices. Some see invisible people.
Others have no imagination whatsoever.

Ll

"Leon"

in reply to "SonomaProducts.com" on 21/09/2010 10:34 AM

24/09/2010 10:26 AM


"Kevin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 15:42:19 -0500, [email protected]
> (Robert Bonomi) wrote:
>
>>The only 'problem' here is that Skechup didn't make it easy/obvious enough
>>to do the checking needed to catch the inconsistency.
>
> How exactly is Sketchup supposed to tell him the numbers he put into
> AutoCAD are wrong? Or is it supposed to explain that boxing up all
> the parts before checking them is a bad idea?
>
> I just throw dimensions onto the 3D drawing and print it with however
> many views I need to get the point across.


If you use Cut List 4.0 you can select components that you want, create a
report of pieces needed with correct dimensions as drawn, with out a single
dimension on the drawing. That file/report can be read by your or imported
into an optimization program.

Rc

Robatoy

in reply to "SonomaProducts.com" on 21/09/2010 10:34 AM

22/09/2010 9:42 AM

On Sep 22, 10:59=A0am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "dadiOH" wrote:
> > Finally! =A0Someone else who thinks Corona is over rated horse piss.
>
> -------------------------------
> WHAT???
>
> You mean you don't like Mexican Budweiser?
>
> For shame<G>.
>
> Lew

When I walk in somewhere and somebody puts a beer in my hands, I will
drink it as I am not _that_ fussy.
However, I only buy:

http://www.erdinger.de/en/Company/Brewery.html

or

http://www.grolsch.com/index.php

Erdinger also has the distinction of making the only drinkable non-
alcoholic beer and Grolsch makes a 2.5% that is absolutely drinkable.

Sb

"SonomaProducts.com"

in reply to "SonomaProducts.com" on 21/09/2010 10:34 AM

21/09/2010 1:33 PM

>
> I am confused as to how this is a Sketchup mess-up.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

You are sematically correct. My point... the way I am using Sketchup
is not optimal. Perhaps if I paid for the pro version I could have a
better workflow and dump dxf directly to CAD, or maybe I should just
learn to detail my parts in Sketchup.

Rc

Robatoy

in reply to "SonomaProducts.com" on 21/09/2010 10:34 AM

23/09/2010 5:59 AM

On Sep 22, 4:28=A0pm, [email protected] (Robert Bonomi) wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, dadiOH <[email protected]> wr=
ote:
> >-MIKE- wrote:
> >> On 9/21/10 1:13 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
> >>>> Yeah, but what kind of beer?
>
> >>> I happened to have a few cold bottles of Pacifico on hand which
> >>> remind me of wayward days spent in Mexico.
>
> >> Hope it's better than Corona. =A0:-)
> >> I'll enjoy the occasional DosXX Amber on draft at the local taqueria,
> >> but that's about as light as I can go in color.
>
> >Finally! =A0Someone else who thinks Corona is over rated horse piss. =A0=
The dark
> >DosXX is a nice beer.
>
> It _should_ be better.
>
> After all, they use _two_ horses --hence the name =A0DOS Equus.
>
> <*GRIN*>

Ouch. Nice.

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If he rides with you in your car, its resale value will instantly
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saved.
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It is said the sun comes up later on the 6th of May, in case his Cinco
parties run long.
The Mayans prophecized his birth.
He once taught a German Shepard to bark in Spanish.
He serves sizzling fajita platters barehanded.
Bulls flat-out refuse to fight him.
His charm is so contagious; vaccines have been created for it.
Years ago he built a city out of blocks. Today, over six thousand
people live and work there.
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FrozenNorth

in reply to "SonomaProducts.com" on 21/09/2010 10:34 AM

21/09/2010 1:57 PM

On 9/21/10 1:34 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
> I stated how I model in 3D in sketchup and then manually create 2D
> drawings in AutoCAD. If I were in a true production environment I
> would have a checker review my 2D drawings or even better dump dxf to
> AutoCAD frpom a Pro version os SU. My short cuts bit me in the ass
> last night.
>
> I have 12 little pine cabinet kits all boxed up and ready to sell.
> This is the first run of this newly detailed design that I've built
> before "one-off" but just now put into production with official
> drawings.
>
> I was building one sample to use for pictures and to test the design,
> only to find one part 7" wide vs the 6 1/2" it must be. I have to
> unbox all 12 now and replace the part, and maybe some others, I
> haven't yet gone through and checked the rest of the design to see
> what else is wrong. I was so disgusted I just dropped the nail gun,
> capped the glue, went inside and had a beer.
>
> Live and (never seem) to learn.

Hey, be thankful it wasn't 6 1/2" and needed to be 7", your mistake can
be fixed without stretching the board.

--
Froz...


The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.

Mm

-MIKE-

in reply to "SonomaProducts.com" on 21/09/2010 10:34 AM

21/09/2010 1:01 PM

On 9/21/10 12:57 PM, FrozenNorth wrote:
> On 9/21/10 1:34 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>> I stated how I model in 3D in sketchup and then manually create 2D
>> drawings in AutoCAD. If I were in a true production environment I
>> would have a checker review my 2D drawings or even better dump dxf to
>> AutoCAD frpom a Pro version os SU. My short cuts bit me in the ass
>> last night.
>>
>> I have 12 little pine cabinet kits all boxed up and ready to sell.
>> This is the first run of this newly detailed design that I've built
>> before "one-off" but just now put into production with official
>> drawings.
>>
>> I was building one sample to use for pictures and to test the design,
>> only to find one part 7" wide vs the 6 1/2" it must be. I have to
>> unbox all 12 now and replace the part, and maybe some others, I
>> haven't yet gone through and checked the rest of the design to see
>> what else is wrong. I was so disgusted I just dropped the nail gun,
>> capped the glue, went inside and had a beer.
>>
>> Live and (never seem) to learn.
>
> Hey, be thankful it wasn't 6 1/2" and needed to be 7", your mistake can
> be fixed without stretching the board.
>

Yeah, but what kind of beer?


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
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Mm

-MIKE-

in reply to "SonomaProducts.com" on 21/09/2010 10:34 AM

21/09/2010 4:28 PM

On 9/21/10 1:13 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>> Yeah, but what kind of beer?
>
> I happened to have a few cold bottles of Pacifico on hand which remind
> me of wayward days spent in Mexico.
>

Hope it's better than Corona. :-)
I'll enjoy the occasional DosXX Amber on draft at the local taqueria,
but that's about as light as I can go in color.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

ST

Steve Turner

in reply to "SonomaProducts.com" on 21/09/2010 10:34 AM

22/09/2010 7:56 AM

On 09/22/2010 07:50 AM, dadiOH wrote:
> -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 9/21/10 1:13 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>>>> Yeah, but what kind of beer?
>>>
>>> I happened to have a few cold bottles of Pacifico on hand which
>>> remind me of wayward days spent in Mexico.
>>>
>>
>> Hope it's better than Corona. :-)
>> I'll enjoy the occasional DosXX Amber on draft at the local taqueria,
>> but that's about as light as I can go in color.
>
>
> Finally! Someone else who thinks Corona is over rated horse piss. The dark
> DosXX is a nice beer.

Sheeooot, I've been calling Corona "piss water" ever since I first tried it what, 20 years
ago? Either variety of Dos Equis is WAY better. I quite like the amber.

--
"Our beer goes through thousands of quality Czechs every day."
(From a Shiner Bock billboard I saw in Austin some years ago)
To reply, eat the taco.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/

Mm

-MIKE-

in reply to "SonomaProducts.com" on 21/09/2010 10:34 AM

22/09/2010 11:28 AM

>
> You mean you don't like Mexican Budweiser?
>
>
> Lew
>

Tucking that phrase away in the brain for future use. :-)


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in reply to "SonomaProducts.com" on 21/09/2010 10:34 AM

22/09/2010 11:49 AM

On 9/22/10 11:42 AM, Robatoy wrote:
> When I walk in somewhere and somebody puts a beer in my hands, I will
> drink it as I am not _that_ fussy.
> However, I only buy:
>

I'm the same way... with a few exceptions. :-)

I was out west for a couple weeks and ran across this stuff on tap...
<http://www.deschutesbrewery.com/brews/year-round-brews/black-butte-porter/default.aspx>

It's the best beer I've had and ranks above my previous favorite, Great
Lakes Edmund Fitzgerald Porter.


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in reply to "SonomaProducts.com" on 21/09/2010 10:34 AM

22/09/2010 12:31 PM

On 9/22/2010 12:07 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2010-09-22, -MIKE-<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Tucking that phrase away in the brain for future use. :-)
>
> The term "canoe beer" pretty much covers 'em all.

As in "making love in a canoe"?

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in reply to "SonomaProducts.com" on 21/09/2010 10:34 AM

23/09/2010 11:36 AM

On 9/23/10 6:20 AM, dadiOH wrote:
> Robert Bonomi wrote:
>> In article<[email protected]>, dadiOH
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>>> On 9/21/10 1:13 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>>>>>> Yeah, but what kind of beer?
>>>>>
>>>>> I happened to have a few cold bottles of Pacifico on hand which
>>>>> remind me of wayward days spent in Mexico.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hope it's better than Corona. :-)
>>>> I'll enjoy the occasional DosXX Amber on draft at the local
>>>> taqueria, but that's about as light as I can go in color.
>>>
>>>
>>> Finally! Someone else who thinks Corona is over rated horse piss.
>>> The dark DosXX is a nice beer.
>>
>>
>> It _should_ be better.
>>
>> After all, they use _two_ horses --hence the name DOS Equus.
>
> Equis. Dos equis. "Equis" is the Spanish pronunciation for "X".
>
>

you didn't see this? "<*GRIN*>"


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notbob

in reply to "SonomaProducts.com" on 21/09/2010 10:34 AM

22/09/2010 8:43 PM

On 2010-09-22, Steve Turner <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 9/22/2010 12:07 PM, notbob wrote:

>> The term "canoe beer" pretty much covers 'em all.
>
> As in "making love in a canoe"?

Bingo!

nb

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in reply to "SonomaProducts.com" on 21/09/2010 10:34 AM

23/09/2010 8:30 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
dadiOH <[email protected]> wrote:
>Robert Bonomi wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>, dadiOH
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>>> On 9/21/10 1:13 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>>>>>> Yeah, but what kind of beer?
>>>>>
>>>>> I happened to have a few cold bottles of Pacifico on hand which
>>>>> remind me of wayward days spent in Mexico.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hope it's better than Corona. :-)
>>>> I'll enjoy the occasional DosXX Amber on draft at the local
>>>> taqueria, but that's about as light as I can go in color.
>>>
>>>
>>> Finally! Someone else who thinks Corona is over rated horse piss.
>>> The dark DosXX is a nice beer.
>>
>>
>> It _should_ be better.
>>
>> After all, they use _two_ horses --hence the name DOS Equus.
>
>Equis. Dos equis. "Equis" is the Spanish pronunciation for "X".
>

What are you trying to do??!!!!

Confusing a good story with -facts-.

That that's a crime that can get you thrown off the Internet *entirely*, is
a fact you are aware of, right?

Sk

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in reply to "SonomaProducts.com" on 21/09/2010 10:34 AM

21/09/2010 4:05 PM

On 9/21/2010 3:33 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>>
>> I am confused as to how this is a Sketchup mess-up.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> You are sematically correct. My point... the way I am using Sketchup
> is not optimal. Perhaps if I paid for the pro version I could have a
> better workflow and dump dxf directly to CAD, or maybe I should just
> learn to detail my parts in Sketchup.

Let me make a suggestion ... and not knowing whether the Pro trial
version is crippled in this regard ... before springing for the the Pro
version, and providing you have a test file that you would like to try
out, you could email same to me and I could export it in the Pro version
and send the results back to you see if it indeed serves your purposes
when imported back to CAD.

On that same note, I have been using Layout for full blown construction
drawings and still find myself wishing on occasion that I was using a 2D
program for that particular function.

Don't get me wrong, and I'm certainly not an expert Layout user, and for
the projects I have done in this manner it has worked out amazingly
well, but I firmly believe that any software that tries to be all things
to all tasks is going to disappoint in some regard sooner or later.

Email is in the sig block if you want to catch me on the back channel.

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in reply to "SonomaProducts.com" on 21/09/2010 10:34 AM

22/09/2010 1:37 PM

-MIKE- wrote:
>> You mean you don't like Mexican Budweiser?
>>
>>
>> Lew
>>
>
> Tucking that phrase away in the brain for future use. :-)

Yeah, it is both cute and accurate.

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"dadiOH"

in reply to "SonomaProducts.com" on 21/09/2010 10:34 AM

23/09/2010 7:20 AM

Robert Bonomi wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, dadiOH
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>> On 9/21/10 1:13 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>>>>> Yeah, but what kind of beer?
>>>>
>>>> I happened to have a few cold bottles of Pacifico on hand which
>>>> remind me of wayward days spent in Mexico.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hope it's better than Corona. :-)
>>> I'll enjoy the occasional DosXX Amber on draft at the local
>>> taqueria, but that's about as light as I can go in color.
>>
>>
>> Finally! Someone else who thinks Corona is over rated horse piss.
>> The dark DosXX is a nice beer.
>
>
> It _should_ be better.
>
> After all, they use _two_ horses --hence the name DOS Equus.

Equis. Dos equis. "Equis" is the Spanish pronunciation for "X".


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"dadiOH"

in reply to "SonomaProducts.com" on 21/09/2010 10:34 AM

22/09/2010 8:50 AM

-MIKE- wrote:
> On 9/21/10 1:13 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
>>> Yeah, but what kind of beer?
>>
>> I happened to have a few cold bottles of Pacifico on hand which
>> remind me of wayward days spent in Mexico.
>>
>
> Hope it's better than Corona. :-)
> I'll enjoy the occasional DosXX Amber on draft at the local taqueria,
> but that's about as light as I can go in color.


Finally! Someone else who thinks Corona is over rated horse piss. The dark
DosXX is a nice beer.

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LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
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nn

notbob

in reply to "SonomaProducts.com" on 21/09/2010 10:34 AM

22/09/2010 5:07 PM

On 2010-09-22, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:

> Tucking that phrase away in the brain for future use. :-)

The term "canoe beer" pretty much covers 'em all.

nb


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