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"Chris Carruth"

05/08/2004 11:19 PM

router fence plans, movable DC port

For those who have built their own router fence, where did you find the
plans, what are the pros and cons, use of t-track, hold downs etc.

I would also like to make the dust collection movable, so that it either
collects dust from the back of the fence or on top of the fence. Any
suggestions on this feature?

Thanks gang...


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igor

in reply to "Chris Carruth" on 05/08/2004 11:19 PM

07/08/2004 1:27 PM

On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 21:18:03 -0700, [email protected] wrote:

>in a brillinat flash of insight I realized that what I needed was
>*positive* airflow through the plenum. I hooked up a blower to the
>lower DC port so it's *blowing* the chips up, away from the router
>motor and straight into the DC port, which is right above the bit.
>
>so far it's working.
>
>
So, you say that your router table DC system sucks AND blows. Quite an
accomplishment. You must be proud!!!

But seriously, my hunch is that you don't need much positive airflow to get
this setup to work. Are you using your shop vac exhaust (which would seem
to be sunstantial) or something smaller? -- Igor

sW

[email protected] (WoodChuck34)

in reply to "Chris Carruth" on 05/08/2004 11:19 PM

06/08/2004 7:24 AM

Chris,

I agree with UA100 about Pat Warner's system. His website is:

www.patwarner.com

His books are excellent and focused. I have been using a design
similar to the one Bob proposed and I can't wait to find the time to
build my own version of Pat's. The biggest drawback to fence that
simply clamp to the table top is repeatablity and fine tuning. You
simply can't do it with an degree of accuracy (at least not closer
than "I'll nudge this side a little and that will be good"). Pat's
design has a base that fastens tight to the table top and is
adjustable with a screw that moves the fence laterally.

I just finished making 8 panel doors and none of my rails and stiles
are as tight as I want them to be and there are a few little waves in
the panels where the fence flexed.

Just my $.02.

Chuck

BD

"Bob Davis"

in reply to "Chris Carruth" on 05/08/2004 11:19 PM

06/08/2004 1:45 AM


"Chris Carruth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> For those who have built their own router fence, where did you find the
> plans, what are the pros and cons, use of t-track, hold downs etc.

I am planning to build the fence shown at
http://www.popularwoodworking.com/features/fea.asp?id=1108.

I'm not sure what you meant by moveable dust collection (over the top???).
I use a 4" dust collection hose behind the router bit and there is no dust
on the table when I finish. I'll build the fence to accomodate the 4" hose
connection.

Bob

GW

Gerry Wolfe

in reply to "Chris Carruth" on 05/08/2004 11:19 PM

08/08/2004 9:42 PM

American Woodworker mag has published a book "Woodworking with the
router" (ISBN 0-7621-0227-6, $20US) which has excellent designs for
both a router table and a router fence -- a chapter is devoted to
each.

It's the setup I'm gonna build... after I convince my mother-in-law
that giving up half her garage will result in her seeing more of her
daughter...

rgds, g.

On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 23:19:13 GMT, "Chris Carruth"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>For those who have built their own router fence, where did you find the
>plans, what are the pros and cons, use of t-track, hold downs etc.
>
>I would also like to make the dust collection movable, so that it either
>collects dust from the back of the fence or on top of the fence. Any
>suggestions on this feature?
>
>Thanks gang...
>

b

in reply to "Chris Carruth" on 05/08/2004 11:19 PM

06/08/2004 9:18 PM

On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 09:26:33 GMT, Unisaw A100 <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Chris Carruth wrote:
>>For those who have built their own router fence, where did you find the
>>plans, what are the pros and cons, use of t-track, hold downs etc.
>
>"The" ultimate router fence would have to be Pat Warner's.
>Google Pat Warner and a couple more key words like router
>and, well, router and see if you can find it on line. It
>was also published in a past Fine Wooddorking so maybe a
>trip to the library?
>
>>I would also like to make the dust collection movable, so that it either
>>collects dust from the back of the fence or on top of the fence. Any
>>suggestions on this feature?
>
>Compromise and go at it in between at a 45?
>
>Actually, unless there is an overwhelming reason to have the
>port movable you are way better off locating the port
>somewhere in line with the discharge created by the bit.
>This way you use those already created forces to your
>advantage. In fact, based on this tidbit the best spot
>would be to the right (from the operator's view) of the bit.
>
>UA100, arm chair observer of fluid dynamics...



been playing with the dust extraction on my BARGRT*. I started with
the design I see a lot, the cabinet space where the router lives used
as a plenum for dust extraction. well, either it was too leaky or
something, but it just didn't work well. the chips and dust built up
in there and got sucked into the router motor. I tried the DC hose
positioned directly above the bit. that worked better, but some chips
still made their way into the cabinet, especially on some setups where
I couldn't get the top hose connection close enough. I tried 2 hoses,
one sucking from the top, one through the plenum. better, but after a
while there would still be an accumulation of chips in the router
motor intake.

in a brillinat flash of insight I realized that what I needed was
*positive* airflow through the plenum. I hooked up a blower to the
lower DC port so it's *blowing* the chips up, away from the router
motor and straight into the DC port, which is right above the bit.

so far it's working.





























*Big Ass Rube Goldberg Router Table

UA

Unisaw A100

in reply to "Chris Carruth" on 05/08/2004 11:19 PM

06/08/2004 9:26 AM

Chris Carruth wrote:
>For those who have built their own router fence, where did you find the
>plans, what are the pros and cons, use of t-track, hold downs etc.

"The" ultimate router fence would have to be Pat Warner's.
Google Pat Warner and a couple more key words like router
and, well, router and see if you can find it on line. It
was also published in a past Fine Wooddorking so maybe a
trip to the library?

>I would also like to make the dust collection movable, so that it either
>collects dust from the back of the fence or on top of the fence. Any
>suggestions on this feature?

Compromise and go at it in between at a 45?

Actually, unless there is an overwhelming reason to have the
port movable you are way better off locating the port
somewhere in line with the discharge created by the bit.
This way you use those already created forces to your
advantage. In fact, based on this tidbit the best spot
would be to the right (from the operator's view) of the bit.

UA100, arm chair observer of fluid dynamics...

b

in reply to "Chris Carruth" on 05/08/2004 11:19 PM

07/08/2004 10:00 AM

On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 13:27:35 GMT, igor <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 21:18:03 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>in a brillinat flash of insight I realized that what I needed was
>>*positive* airflow through the plenum. I hooked up a blower to the
>>lower DC port so it's *blowing* the chips up, away from the router
>>motor and straight into the DC port, which is right above the bit.
>>
>>so far it's working.
>>
>>
>So, you say that your router table DC system sucks AND blows. Quite an
>accomplishment. You must be proud!!!
>
>But seriously, my hunch is that you don't need much positive airflow to get
>this setup to work. Are you using your shop vac exhaust (which would seem
>to be sunstantial) or something smaller? -- Igor


I'm using a squirrel cage blower that I had sitting around. it puts
out a pretty good stream of air.


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