Pin nailer 23 ga

Well,,, with all the keen advice you have given on this group, you
should get a pass from the DAGS dawgs.

Like you, I am in the trades, so I hear little about guns that work,
but a lot of bitching about the ones that don't.

Here's what I hear (not my personal experience, but a couple of my
buddies do nothing but trim outs).

The Senco jams a lot. Different nails don't make any difference. They
didn't like the fact it has no safety at all on it and they both shot a
few pins around when they weren't quite ready. Still positioning the
gun for that perfect placement and *bam*. Also, they complained a lot
about how hard the jams were to clear.

PC, no one around here uses PC unless it is for their 18 ga brad guns
or 16 ga finish nailer. They have no repair policy for routine
mainenance, and don't have soft part replacement (for free) to
contractors. So they are never a consideration.

I would look at the HF guns as they either get it right, or completely
wrong. The good thing is they don't hassle when you take things back.
You would know in 10 minutes if you liked this gun or not.

But a gun that seems to get good play is the Bostitch. You can check
out some hands on reviews here.

http://tinyurl.com/jsf9p

I have had great luck with them on their products lately and the seem
to stand behind them pretty well. You might check with them as this
gun may have one of those new 7 year warraties on them.

My compadres aren't complaining about them, so at least at this point
they must be working well. With that in mind, this will probably be
the one I buy for my next project that requires a pinner.

Let us know what you decide!

Robert

I do all high-end trim and custom cabinet work. With over 40 nail
guns/staplers in the "armory" I have lots to say about many of them.
As far as the Senco micro pinnner goes, we have had 3 of them since
sometime last fall. they are a dream when it comes to those
ridiculously small moldings that we always had to glue and tape in
place. I have had a problem with the pins not sinking below the
surface. Just this week I used it to do some crown (poplar that we
made in the shop) for a mantle. Had to give every one of the pins a
tap and some putty. fortunately it was being painted and it made
little difference.

2 of my guys have had more than their fair share of pins go flying
across the room. I may have had one when I first used it around the
shop and wasn't used to no safety. It does make it nice for getting
into tighter spots or hitting the edge of something where there would
be little or no surface to depress the safety.

we will continue to use them. I do wish that I could solve the
countersink issue.

Sidenote - 3 guns. 5 months. near daily use. we have not had a single
jamb that i am aware of.

believe me, i've been known to do things that rank much higher on the
"how the hell could i be so stupid?" scale. Therefore, it was the
first thing i checked.

I bought the Senco model in Dec. and it's had a good amount of use since
(I'm a carpenter). The gun has never jammed or been a problem in any way.
It can shoot through some pretty hard stuff , like Jatoba, and will still
set the pins. It does NOT have a safety - you pull the trigger, it shoots a
pin. The gun has proved to be a great tool in the field as well as the shop.
I really like it to pin patterns to wood before taking it over to the router
table for flush trimming. No more double sided tape. When the pattern is
routed, I simply pull it off and remove the pins with pliars. The holes
left are so small, they are pretty hard to see, especially after
sanding/finishing. Mine came in a combo set with a small 1/2 hp 1 gal
compressor that I've grown fond of. Real nice for small trim jobs, as I
don't have to lug out the big compressor for a few nails. --dave


"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> First of all, I did do an in-depth Google search, web, groups, etc. so
> you DAGS-bunch, get off my back, you wild and crazy guys...
>
> I'm building a fireplace mantle for a trusted client, who wants all
> kinds of little trim pieces here and there..sooooooooooo
>
> The affordable PC100, has a gripe about the pins not being countersunk.
>
> The one that keeps coming up positive is a Grex...but COME ON, for that
> kinda money? (Of course, if it is THAT much better then I'll have
> to...but....)
>
> Then there is a Samona... (Likely a Harbour Fright Kanuckistani equiv.)
> $40.00 CAN.... How much am I going to hate that thing?
>
> Senco, a brand I am familiar with, makes one for about the same money as
> the PC.
>
> Craftsman?
>
> I don't think I'll need much more than 1" nails... it won't be used in a
> production capacity either.
>
> I respect a lot of your opinions, so make up my mind, will you? Please?
>
> Much obliged in advance... make that 50% down.... the balance on
> completion.
>
> r

I have a Senco. Light hobby use, wifey got it for me. Never a problem.
Sinks the pins just fine. I have not used in in >real< hardwoods though.
Just pine, mahogany, oak.

John

Robatoy wrote:
> First of all, I did do an in-depth Google search, web, groups, etc. so
> you DAGS-bunch, get off my back, you wild and crazy guys...
>
> I'm building a fireplace mantle for a trusted client, who wants all
> kinds of little trim pieces here and there..sooooooooooo
>
> The affordable PC100, has a gripe about the pins not being countersunk.
>
> The one that keeps coming up positive is a Grex...but COME ON, for that
> kinda money? (Of course, if it is THAT much better then I'll have
> to...but....)
>
> Then there is a Samona... (Likely a Harbour Fright Kanuckistani equiv.)
> $40.00 CAN.... How much am I going to hate that thing?
>
> Senco, a brand I am familiar with, makes one for about the same money as
> the PC.
>
> Craftsman?
>
> I don't think I'll need much more than 1" nails... it won't be used in a
> production capacity either.
>
> I respect a lot of your opinions, so make up my mind, will you? Please?
>
> Much obliged in advance... make that 50% down.... the balance on
> completion.
>
> r

"RemodGuy" wrote in message

> we will continue to use them. I do wish that I could solve the
> countersink issue.

There ain't no way you, of all people, would miss the trick of kicking up
the air pressure, is there?

I didn't think so. ;)

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 12/13/05

"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote :

> Craftsman?

FWIW, the Craftsman pinner is a dead ringer for the Nikle NS 2318. See the
linkies:

http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=TOOL&pid=00918292000&subcat=Carpentry+Air+Tools

and

http://www.floydtool.com/ns2318.htm

Sears is like $20 less, too (if it's indeed the same nailer).

Jason

I bough a Cadex back in June and just love it.... it shoots pin from 1/2''
to 1-3/8''

http://www.houseoftools.com/content/houseoftoolscom/images/500/Products/O/OMR/OMR_CP23_35.jpg



There is a safety on trigger (witch can be disable if you want), it counter
sinks everything I have done so far (mainly maple and oak)



I'm very satisfied with the gun.



Christian








"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> First of all, I did do an in-depth Google search, web, groups, etc. so
> you DAGS-bunch, get off my back, you wild and crazy guys...
>
> I'm building a fireplace mantle for a trusted client, who wants all
> kinds of little trim pieces here and there..sooooooooooo
>
> The affordable PC100, has a gripe about the pins not being countersunk.
>
> The one that keeps coming up positive is a Grex...but COME ON, for that
> kinda money? (Of course, if it is THAT much better then I'll have
> to...but....)
>
> Then there is a Samona... (Likely a Harbour Fright Kanuckistani equiv.)
> $40.00 CAN.... How much am I going to hate that thing?
>
> Senco, a brand I am familiar with, makes one for about the same money as
> the PC.
>
> Craftsman?
>
> I don't think I'll need much more than 1" nails... it won't be used in a
> production capacity either.
>
> I respect a lot of your opinions, so make up my mind, will you? Please?
>
> Much obliged in advance... make that 50% down.... the balance on
> completion.
>
> r

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] wrote:

> But a gun that seems to get good play is the Bostitch.

I asked my local Bostitch dealer if they had one... the answer was no.

I did find one in a city nearby, I'll see if I can get them to parachute
me one. Reasonably priced too... good suggestion. Many thanks.

r (R)

Ba r r y wrote:


> Mahogany and Oak aren't "real" hardwoods?
>

Yeah, you're right, oak is pretty hard. The mahogany, nope, it just
isn't real hard. Hard to me is like them African woods. Or wenge. Where
is it from. To me, that is hard.

I was just trying to qualify my experience.

On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:14:52 -0500, The Visitor
<[email protected]> wrote:


>Yeah, you're right, oak is pretty hard. The mahogany, nope, it just
>isn't real hard. Hard to me is like them African woods. Or wenge. Where
>is it from. To me, that is hard.

I agree. It's not the hardness of certain woods that mess up brad and
pin nailers, it's differing densities that deflect fasteners. The
oaks are perfect examples of this.

>I was just trying to qualify my experience.

Remember, if it's got leaves, it's probably a hardwood. Basswood is a
hardwood. <G>

Barry

On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:20:09 -0500, The Visitor
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I have a Senco. Light hobby use, wifey got it for me. Never a problem.
>Sinks the pins just fine. I have not used in in >real< hardwoods though.
>Just pine, mahogany, oak.

Mahogany and Oak aren't "real" hardwoods?

I guess they just play hardwoods on TV?

Oak's really good at deflecting 18 ga. brads. If the pinner works
with oak, it should work on most furniture woods.

Barry