I bought a PC 1617 router this past summer and really enjoy using it.
I also use it in a router table as needed and it works great.
Unfortunately, I bought it at Lowe's for what seemed like a good deal (fixed
& plunge
bases), but, no EVS. Didn't think much of it at the time.
The problem:
I planning on building some kitchen cabinet w/recessed panel doors soon
and will
need to use a 3" panel raiser bit.
I've read that fixed speed (~22000 rpm) routers should not be used with
bits
larger than 1" in dia.
Is this true?
How about when mounted in a table, secured to a workbench?
Or, could an external power regulator (reducing input voltage?) be used to
reduce
the speed? Without the risk of damaging the motor?
I'm planning on using red oak, if it matters.
ThankX again all,
Ron
"B a r r y B u r k e J r ." <[email protected]>
>
> You could also buy a vertically oriented raised panel bit, build a
> tall fence, and use the existing router @ it's fixed speed.
Good suggestion, but there is a draw back with the vertical raised panel
bits that the horizonal ones dont have. They can only cut in straight
lines. If you have an arch you are out of luck with a vertical bit.
Thanks for the feedback.
BTW, It's a Bosch unit not a Porter Cable, glad you all knew what I was
talking about ;)
Rough day, glad the weekend is here.
Is Bosch's 1619EVS, interchangable with the 1617's bases?
Ron
"Ron" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:l2hmb.8987$275.16324@attbi_s53...
> I bought a PC 1617 router this past summer and really enjoy using it.
>
> I also use it in a router table as needed and it works great.
>
> Unfortunately, I bought it at Lowe's for what seemed like a good deal
(fixed
> & plunge
> bases), but, no EVS. Didn't think much of it at the time.
>
> The problem:
> I planning on building some kitchen cabinet w/recessed panel doors soon
> and will
> need to use a 3" panel raiser bit.
> I've read that fixed speed (~22000 rpm) routers should not be used with
> bits
> larger than 1" in dia.
> Is this true?
> How about when mounted in a table, secured to a workbench?
>
> Or, could an external power regulator (reducing input voltage?) be used
to
> reduce
> the speed? Without the risk of damaging the motor?
>
> I'm planning on using red oak, if it matters.
>
> ThankX again all,
>
> Ron
>
>
Ron,
All good suggestions so far, but this may be just the "excuse" to purchase a
nice shaper...
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Rumpty
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"Ron" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:l2hmb.8987$275.16324@attbi_s53...
> I bought a PC 1617 router this past summer and really enjoy using it.
>
> I also use it in a router table as needed and it works great.
>
> Unfortunately, I bought it at Lowe's for what seemed like a good deal
(fixed
> & plunge
> bases), but, no EVS. Didn't think much of it at the time.
>
> The problem:
> I planning on building some kitchen cabinet w/recessed panel doors soon
> and will
> need to use a 3" panel raiser bit.
> I've read that fixed speed (~22000 rpm) routers should not be used with
> bits
> larger than 1" in dia.
> Is this true?
> How about when mounted in a table, secured to a workbench?
>
> Or, could an external power regulator (reducing input voltage?) be used
to
> reduce
> the speed? Without the risk of damaging the motor?
>
> I'm planning on using red oak, if it matters.
>
> ThankX again all,
>
> Ron
>
>
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 22:49:52 GMT, "Leon"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Yes. BUT, you have a middle weight router. I personally have a 1617EVS.
>I would Never consider spinning a 3" diameter bit in this router even at a
>slow speed. These routers are not built to handle bits this heavy and large
>and hold up for as long as they should.
I also have the 1617EVS, and have made many solid wood and MDF door
panels, along with many, many feet of MDF molding, all with large
bits.
I wouldn't buy it for a multi-person production shop, but I don't see
any problem with it all for a serious hobbyist.
Barry
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:43:45 GMT, "Ron" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Unfortunately, I bought it at Lowe's for what seemed like a good deal (fixed
>& plunge
>bases), but, no EVS. Didn't think much of it at the time.
>
>The problem:
> I planning on building some kitchen cabinet w/recessed panel doors soon
>and will
> need to use a 3" panel raiser bit.
> I've read that fixed speed (~22000 rpm) routers should not be used with
>bits
> larger than 1" in dia.
> Is this true?
Yes, the cutter speed of a 3" bit @ 22k is quite fast. Sometimes
it's fast enough to toss carbide pieces from the bit, which may become
lodged in _you_. Not a good thing.
> How about when mounted in a table, secured to a workbench?
Still unsafe.
> Or, could an external power regulator (reducing input voltage?) be used to
>reduce
> the speed? Without the risk of damaging the motor?
I'd buy a variable speed router. If you do much woodworking you'll
see that multiple routers are actually a good thing. You can leave
the EVS router in the table, and use the fixed speed unit for freehand
work.
You could also buy a vertically oriented raised panel bit, build a
tall fence, and use the existing router @ it's fixed speed.
Barry
I just bought a Bosch 1617EVSPK and I will be doing raised panels with
a large diameter bit. Reading several posts in regards to raised
panels, a Bosch 1617 should not be an issue.
Have you had any bad personal experiences ?
Daniel
>Yes. BUT, you have a middle weight router. I personally have a 1617EVS.
>I would Never consider spinning a 3" diameter bit in this router even at a
>slow speed. These routers are not built to handle bits this heavy and large
>and hold up for as long as they should. If you are going to only do a few
>feet and thats it, a speed controller may suffice. I personally recomend a
>router in the "sold as" range of 3hp and up. They really are not 3hp but
>are sold as such. Look for 15 amp and up.
>
>>
>> I'm planning on using red oak, if it matters.
>
>The harder the wood, the more strain you will be placing on the router.
>ALSO, regardless of which router you use, do not tmake the cut in less than
>3 or 4 passes. For the best and smoothest finish, make the last pass a very
>shallow cut removing very little wood. Think of it more as a clean up pass.
>
>Good Luck
>
>
>
"Ron" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:l2hmb.8987$275.16324@attbi_s53...
> The problem:
> I planning on building some kitchen cabinet w/recessed panel doors soon
> and will need to use a 3" panel raiser bit.
> I've read that fixed speed (~22000 rpm) routers should not be used with
> bits larger than 1" in dia. Is this true?
Yes. Any router spinning at the speed actually.
> How about when mounted in a table, secured to a workbench?
You still should not.
Actually Jesada has a speed chart for different sized bits. IIRC you need
to in the neighborhood of 12-15,000 rpm for a bit that large... The problem
is not being able to hold the router rather it is the tip speed of the bit
as it slams into the wood. a 1/2: bit spinning at 22,000 rmp has a tip
speed of 32 mph. A 3" bit spinning at 22,000 rpm has a tip speed of 196
mph... Something will come a part other than the wood.
> Or, could an external power regulator (reducing input voltage?) be used
to
> reduce
> the speed? Without the risk of damaging the motor?
Yes. BUT, you have a middle weight router. I personally have a 1617EVS.
I would Never consider spinning a 3" diameter bit in this router even at a
slow speed. These routers are not built to handle bits this heavy and large
and hold up for as long as they should. If you are going to only do a few
feet and thats it, a speed controller may suffice. I personally recomend a
router in the "sold as" range of 3hp and up. They really are not 3hp but
are sold as such. Look for 15 amp and up.
>
> I'm planning on using red oak, if it matters.
The harder the wood, the more strain you will be placing on the router.
ALSO, regardless of which router you use, do not tmake the cut in less than
3 or 4 passes. For the best and smoothest finish, make the last pass a very
shallow cut removing very little wood. Think of it more as a clean up pass.
Good Luck
Door making bits should only be used in a table.
Large panel raising bits should be run at about 10,000rpm.
Vertical panel raising bits can be run a 22,000 rpm but you are limited to
straight cuts, curves cannot be routed.
Have a look here for info on router bits etc. click on the Instructions tab
http://iseek.com/Projects/omnicat5/index.php?cat_id=0
"Ron" <[email protected]> wrote:
>I bought a PC 1617 router this past summer and really enjoy using it.
>
>I also use it in a router table as needed and it works great.
>
>Unfortunately, I bought it at Lowe's for what seemed like a good deal (fixed
>& plunge
>bases), but, no EVS. Didn't think much of it at the time.
>
>The problem:
> I planning on building some kitchen cabinet w/recessed panel doors soon
>and will
> need to use a 3" panel raiser bit.
> I've read that fixed speed (~22000 rpm) routers should not be used with
>bits
> larger than 1" in dia.
> Is this true?
> How about when mounted in a table, secured to a workbench?
>
> Or, could an external power regulator (reducing input voltage?) be used to
>reduce
> the speed? Without the risk of damaging the motor?
>
> I'm planning on using red oak, if it matters.
>
>ThankX again all,
>
>Ron
>
"B a r r y B u r k e J r ." <[email protected]> wrote
in message news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 22:49:52 GMT, "Leon"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Yes. BUT, you have a middle weight router. I personally have a
1617EVS.
> >I would Never consider spinning a 3" diameter bit in this router even at
a
> >slow speed. These routers are not built to handle bits this heavy and
large
> >and hold up for as long as they should.
>
> I also have the 1617EVS, and have made many solid wood and MDF door
> panels, along with many, many feet of MDF molding, all with large
> bits.
Well, I resaw Ipe that is 5" wide on my TS in 2 passes and most would not
suggest that either. ;~)
BUT it does help pay the bills.