Since moving into our new home in 2010 I have wanted to do something to
the big pony wall separating our kitchen/dining area from our living room.
The whole wall is about 12' long and has an opening that is 10' wide.
The top of the pony wall is 36" and it is open form there 6' on each
side and has a large arc that goes up to 10' and then the ceiling is
another foot up from there.
Anyway I did not want to close that off but wanted to create a little
more separation.
The beams over that pony wall and the pass through on the end of the
pony wall is something I came up with several years ago but I had some
concerning thoughts as to how to the support the beam, especially in the
middle. And it is/was not going to be a real and heavy beam, just give
the appearance of one.
Anyway my wife and I kicked around some ideas, inspired from, Fixer
Upper. Yes that DIY show. They remodeled a home and made a solid wall
into a pony wall. The original wall was only 8' tall. They built
shelving on top of the pony wall all the way up to the ceiling. It
separated the two rooms but not so much as a solid wall and a bit more
than a pony wall that stops in height at 36".
Soooo, I drew this and I think it is going to be a go.
The large beam will actually be supported in the middle by that black
pipe/bar in the center directly over the middle vertical shelf support.
Also our wall corners are not square, they have about a 3/4"radius. I
had to deal with that so that the round corners would not look
unfinished. The shelf unit, brownish grey in color, will be wider than
the pony wall so that it will be useful. The wall is just over 8" deep.
I will frame the shelf unit with natural oak trim to cover the rounded
wall corners and to give it a finished appearance.
The jury is still out on the beam color, I might leave it natural white
oak to match the shelf unit trim.
All shelves are adjustable and removable to adjust for seasonal and wife
mind changes.. ;~)
Those black steel looking beam brackets will probably be made out of
Baltic birch and painted flat black. They will give the appearance of
heavy support brackets.
Anyway, Thoughts?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/38441838940/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/39540993414/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/38441839070/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/39354408545/in/dateposted-public/
What it looks like now.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/39541347144/in/dateposted-public/
What is the purpose of the beams? If the wall is sufficiently supported, =
already, the beams would have no function other than looks/aesthetics.
To me, the proposed beams and pipe supports looks out of place.
Rather than a beam over the shelves (and no beam within the pass-through), =
hows about the top of the shelf unit being arched, to match the "ceiling" a=
rch. Possibly, whatever trim would be on the top of the shelf arch, a sim=
ilar trim would be applied to the upper "ceiling" arch, so as to connect th=
e two elements design. The proposed beam, to me, does not connect the two=
elements in a visibly appealing way. .... Matching arch trim over the pas=
s through, to connect that element, also?? .... but then again, all this m=
ight be too "busy", of design elements, for it to be visually effectively c=
onnected.
*Maybe I'm missing something in the overall appearance, for this opinion, b=
ut the proposed beam seems to look out of place, for the whole scenario. =
Maybe some element of thought, from the Fixer Upper show, that I'm missing.
As to matching arch designs, I've liked the arches you've made on other pro=
jects. You've been nicely creative, that way, with those other projects.=
I'm tempted to trust your creative thinking, more so, than some recommen=
dations of these DIY TV shows.
Sonny
On Tuesday, February 13, 2018 at 6:21:56 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> Since moving into our new home in 2010 I have wanted to do something to
> the big pony wall separating our kitchen/dining area from our living room.
> The whole wall is about 12' long and has an opening that is 10' wide.
> The top of the pony wall is 36" and it is open form there 6' on each
> side and has a large arc that goes up to 10' and then the ceiling is
> another foot up from there.
>
> Anyway I did not want to close that off but wanted to create a little
> more separation.
>
> The beams over that pony wall and the pass through on the end of the
> pony wall is something I came up with several years ago but I had some
> concerning thoughts as to how to the support the beam, especially in the
> middle. And it is/was not going to be a real and heavy beam, just give
> the appearance of one.
>
> Anyway my wife and I kicked around some ideas, inspired from, Fixer
> Upper. Yes that DIY show. They remodeled a home and made a solid wall
> into a pony wall. The original wall was only 8' tall. They built
> shelving on top of the pony wall all the way up to the ceiling. It
> separated the two rooms but not so much as a solid wall and a bit more
> than a pony wall that stops in height at 36".
>
> Soooo, I drew this and I think it is going to be a go.
>
> The large beam will actually be supported in the middle by that black
> pipe/bar in the center directly over the middle vertical shelf support.
>
> Also our wall corners are not square, they have about a 3/4"radius. I
> had to deal with that so that the round corners would not look
> unfinished. The shelf unit, brownish grey in color, will be wider than
> the pony wall so that it will be useful. The wall is just over 8" deep.
> I will frame the shelf unit with natural oak trim to cover the rounded
> wall corners and to give it a finished appearance.
>
> The jury is still out on the beam color, I might leave it natural white
> oak to match the shelf unit trim.
>
> All shelves are adjustable and removable to adjust for seasonal and wife
> mind changes.. ;~)
>
> Those black steel looking beam brackets will probably be made out of
> Baltic birch and painted flat black. They will give the appearance of
> heavy support brackets.
>
> Anyway, Thoughts?
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/38441838940/in/dateposted-public/
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/39540993414/in/dateposted-public/
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/38441839070/in/dateposted-public/
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/39354408545/in/dateposted-public/
>
> What it looks like now.
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/39541347144/in/dateposted-public/
Your SWMBO called. She said she was looking for something like this:
https://tinyurl.com/ycmgu5u4
On 2/13/2018 7:53 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
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>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/38441838940/in/dateposted-public/
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/39540993414/in/dateposted-public/
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/38441839070/in/dateposted-public/
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/39354408545/in/dateposted-public/
>>
>> What it looks like now.
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/39541347144/in/dateposted-public/
>
> Your SWMBO called. She said she was looking for something like this:
>
> https://tinyurl.com/ycmgu5u4
>
Uh huh.... ;~)
On 2/13/2018 6:29 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
> "Leon" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> Since moving into our new home in 2010 I have wanted to do something
>> to the big pony wall separating our kitchen/dining area from our
>> living room.
>
> That could work, especially if you have art that could be displayed
> there (turnings, pottery, etc.). I'd have gone with divided lights in
> the big opening and a transom window over the pass opening if that were
> my home. This as it would go with my décor and overall home design.
> Does the shelving fit in with your overall home design and décor?
The expanse that the beam is spanning is pretty long and the posts on
each end, covered in sheet rock and painted, are pretty massive. The
beam fits right in IMHO.
The natural oak trim around the shelf unit closely resembles the oak
doors on the pantry unit in the kitchen, a few feet away. And the dark
FF on the pantry would resemble the contrast on the shelves in the pony
wall.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6485171225/in/album-72157630857421932/
On the living room side the entertainment center caries the same type
lines, long and narrow and again the natural oak trim is close in size
as the walnut doors in the cabinet. The dark wall outline behind the
floating walnut panels on the wall also resemble the same shape as the
perimeter natural oak trim around the shelf unit on the pony wall.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/10483001133/in/album-72157630857421932/
Would
> it be jarringly different? Would it drive you to down the dangerous path
> of having to change other things in the house?
Noooo. LOL I have built almost everything in the house and I'm hoping
to not do that again.
>
> We had book shelves in the kitchen of the home in which I grew up...
> with books on them. I'd estimate the unit was about 8-9 feet long with
> two shelves. It was located along a wall near the table. They were below
> the counter height and under a window. Useful for cook books, big
> reference books, etc. It was not intended as a display shelf. The
> counter top over it worked well for my mom's plants and bowls of fruit,
> and when we were young an aquarium. That said, how do you see the
> shelves being used?
>
> More questions than answers to be found here!
"Leon" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>Since moving into our new home in 2010 I have wanted to do something to the
>big pony wall separating our kitchen/dining area from our living room.
That could work, especially if you have art that could be displayed there
(turnings, pottery, etc.). I'd have gone with divided lights in the big
opening and a transom window over the pass opening if that were my home.
This as it would go with my décor and overall home design. Does the
shelving fit in with your overall home design and décor? Would it be
jarringly different? Would it drive you to down the dangerous path of having
to change other things in the house?
We had book shelves in the kitchen of the home in which I grew up... with
books on them. I'd estimate the unit was about 8-9 feet long with two
shelves. It was located along a wall near the table. They were below the
counter height and under a window. Useful for cook books, big reference
books, etc. It was not intended as a display shelf. The counter top over it
worked well for my mom's plants and bowls of fruit, and when we were young
an aquarium. That said, how do you see the shelves being used?
More questions than answers to be found here!
On 2/14/2018 8:18 AM, Sonny wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 8:12:55 AM UTC-6, Sonny wrote:
>> I'm tempted to trust your creative thinking, more so, than some recommendations of these DIY TV shows.
>
> And the thinking of your wife, also.
> ....after all, you are "Bonafide" (Oh Brother, Where Art Thou).
Ahhh, one of my very favorite movies.
( we though you was a toad.)
>
> Sonny
>
On 2/14/2018 8:12 AM, Sonny wrote:
> What is the purpose of the beams? If the wall is sufficiently supported, already, the beams would have no function other than looks/aesthetics.
Correct, strictly aesthetics, like the arch and all of the rounded
corners on the walls.
>
> To me, the proposed beams and pipe supports looks out of place.
Possibly but I'm kinda going for the old ware house look.
>
> Rather than a beam over the shelves (and no beam within the pass-through), hows about the top of the shelf unit being arched, to match the "ceiling" arch. Possibly, whatever trim would be on the top of the shelf arch, a similar trim would be applied to the upper "ceiling" arch, so as to connect the two elements design. The proposed beam, to me, does not connect the two elements in a visibly appealing way. .... Matching arch trim over the pass through, to connect that element, also?? .... but then again, all this might be too "busy", of design elements, for it to be visually effectively connected.
>
> *Maybe I'm missing something in the overall appearance, for this opinion, but the proposed beam seems to look out of place, for the whole scenario. Maybe some element of thought, from the Fixer Upper show, that I'm missing.
No, the beam has always only been my thought, While pictures and
drawings do not translate the height of the ceilings very well, I want
to draw attention to the height of the 11' ceilings. The only Fixer
Upper influence is the shelves on the pony wall.
>
> As to matching arch designs, I've liked the arches you've made on other projects. You've been nicely creative, that way, with those other projects. I'm tempted to trust your creative thinking, more so, than some recommendations of these DIY TV shows.
The only Fixer Upper influence is the shelves on the pony wall.
>
> Sonny
>
On 2/13/2018 6:29 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
> "Leon"Â wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> Since moving into our new home in 2010 I have wanted to do something
>> to the big pony wall separating our kitchen/dining area from our
>> living room.
>
> That could work, especially if you have art that could be displayed
> there (turnings, pottery, etc.). I'd have gone with divided lights in
> the big opening and a transom window over the pass opening if that were
> my home. This as it would go with my décor and overall home design.
> Does the shelving fit in with your overall home design and décor?
The expanse that the beam is spanning is pretty long and the posts on
each end, covered in sheet rock and painted, are pretty massive. The
beam fits right in IMHO.
The natural oak trim around the shelf unit closely resembles the oak
doors on the pantry unit in the kitchen, a few feet away. And the dark
FF on the pantry would resemble the contrast on the shelves in the pony
wall.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6485171225/in/album-72157630857421932/
On the living room side the entertainment center caries the same type
lines, long and narrow and again the natural oak trim is close in size
as the walnut doors in the cabinet. The dark wall outline behind the
floating walnut panels on the wall also resemble the same shape as the
perimeter natural oak trim around the shelf unit on the pony wall.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/10483001133/in/album-72157630857421932/
Would
> it be jarringly different? Would it drive you to down the dangerous path
> of having to change other things in the house?
Noooo. LOL I have built almost everything in the house and I'm hoping
to not do that again.
>
> We had book shelves in the kitchen of the home in which I grew up...
> with books on them. I'd estimate the unit was about 8-9 feet long with
> two shelves. It was located along a wall near the table. They were below
> the counter height and under a window. Useful for cook books, big
> reference books, etc. It was not intended as a display shelf. The
> counter top over it worked well for my mom's plants and bowls of fruit,
> and when we were young an aquarium. That said, how do you see the
> shelves being used?
>
> More questions than answers to be found here!