Here in Richmond we're still feeling the effects of hurricane Isabell.
No power, we can't drink the water, and lots of cleanup left to do.
Has anyone ever had any luck with getting large trees from the city
that fell in a storm like this? There's a lot of lumber out there...
mostly pin oaks, but some maple, sycamore, and white oaks as well.
I tried to get some firewood from a school in Henrico county where 3
very large white oaks fell and was told that I couldn't have any due
to liability reasons. They were just going to send the trees (about 3
feet in diameter) to the landfill. What a shame.
It's sad to drive down the street and see so many large trees down and
know that a lot of the wood will just go to waste.
Eric
"Fred the Red Shirt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Norm Underwood" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> >
> >
> > Now go to http://www.weather.com and look up the difference between
a
> > tornado and a hurricane. Most trees from Isabel were uprooted by
> > straight line winds. Tornados are cyclonic winds which twist the
trees
> > and don't uproot them but snap them in half. ...
>
> Half my ass. Tornados turn trees into woodchips.
>
> --
>
> FF
Think F1, not F5
john wrote:
>
> I have a 50 foot maple on my roof as well. Not sure what type of maple it is
> but there isn't any straight part that could be used as lumber I can see.
> I'll be saving some peices for the lathe but can't use near all of it. Any
> one in College Park MD area that want's some maple to turn it's yours for
> free. Gota wait till the insurance man says I can take it down though....
>
John,
Sorry to hear about all the damages out there. I'm a former property
adjuster and the following is what I suggest you do.
Take a picture of it, document the date with a picture of a newspaper
before the picture of the tree. That way the negatives will prove the
date of loss. Get the tree off as soon as you can & document your costs
of doing so. Your insurance will pay those costs but they won't cover
the cost of cut-up & removal from your property. Get tarps up on the
roof to protect the house ASAP, this cost is also covered. Any costs you
incurr to protect the house will be covered.
Wishing you & yours better days ahead,
Scott
-- An unkind remark is like a killing frost. No matter how much it
warms up later, the damage remains.
McQualude <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> EricY spaketh...
>
> > Here in Richmond we're still feeling the effects of hurricane Isabell.
>
> > Has anyone ever had any luck with getting large trees from the city
> > that fell in a storm like this? There's a lot of lumber out there...
> > mostly pin oaks, but some maple, sycamore, and white oaks as well.
>
> Most, if not all of those trees will have wind shake, the wind will
> seperate the wood fibers while rocking the tree back and forth. Basically,
> it's only good for firewood.
Thanks to all for your tips, information, and kind words regarding the
hurricane. Looks like it might not be worth the effort to claim the
wood for lumber. I have a cargo van but no way to get the wood to a
mill. Since I don't know anyone with a portable mill it looks like
getting lumber is a no-go, and, according to the previous poster, the
wood might not be fit for lumber anyway.
I have been able to get some firewood after all so at least it's not
all going to waste. And maybe I'll try my hand at bowl turning when
the power comes back on...
Eric
"EricY" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> McQualude <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > EricY spaketh...
> >
> > > Here in Richmond we're still feeling the effects of hurricane
Isabell.
> >
> > > Has anyone ever had any luck with getting large trees from the
city
> > > that fell in a storm like this? There's a lot of lumber out
there...
> > > mostly pin oaks, but some maple, sycamore, and white oaks as well.
> >
> > Most, if not all of those trees will have wind shake, the wind will
> > seperate the wood fibers while rocking the tree back and forth.
Basically,
> > it's only good for firewood.
>
> Thanks to all for your tips, information, and kind words regarding the
> hurricane. Looks like it might not be worth the effort to claim the
> wood for lumber. I have a cargo van but no way to get the wood to a
> mill. Since I don't know anyone with a portable mill it looks like
> getting lumber is a no-go, and, according to the previous poster, the
> wood might not be fit for lumber anyway.
>
> I have been able to get some firewood after all so at least it's not
> all going to waste. And maybe I'll try my hand at bowl turning when
> the power comes back on...
>
> Eric
Uhh, wind shake is not caused by wind. It's caused by bacteria.
[email protected] (Fred the Red Shirt) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "Norm Underwood" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> >
> >
> > Now go to http://www.weather.com and look up the difference between a
> > tornado and a hurricane. Most trees from Isabel were uprooted by
> > straight line winds. Tornados are cyclonic winds which twist the trees
> > and don't uproot them but snap them in half. ...
>
> Half my ass. Tornados turn trees into woodchips.
Some chip, some snap. I've seen my share in NC. Once I saw one close
up, eating a trailer park for breakfast (no joke, in Hillsborough).
The trees around it were mostly pine and they were all snapped about
halfway up. Place looked like Godzilla had a tantrum there. The few
hardwood on that acre or so fell too: their trunks intact but many
branches snapped off. The only chips were from the snapping or when
the trees fell onto one another. But having seen the power I don't
doubt that under the right conditions a tornado could make for a fine
chipper.
H.
[email protected] (SteveC1280) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> It's a good thing we have lawyers to protect us from trees that have already
> fallen.
> >
> >
(I too live in Richmond)
You can have my 24" diameter white oak...but first you have to get it
out of my roof.
Does anybody have suggestions for the best way to get the tree out of
my house? It's a 60' high split trunk: 24" and 16" trunks. It
uprooted and smashed the back corner of the house. Fortunately
(depends who you ask) the tree broke when it hit the back/side wall
corner. I think I can safely cut away the crown (branches), but that
still leaves me a 30-40' 24" trunk section rooted to the ground.
I have been unable to speak to any tree service (apparently they are a
little busy) and would really like to get this tree off the roof!
So far my ideas are (after cutting away as much tree as possible):
1. Run a cable to a tree that's still standing about 30' high and back
down to the base of another tree (think suspension bridge - or
poor-man's crane).
2. Jack up the trunk and attempt to cut it near where it meets the
house.
3. Try to get a backhoe with a chain to lift it up off the house (most
desired, least likely)
Please tell me all the ways I may kill myself in the process of
attempting these.
Thanks,
Chris
[email protected] (EricY) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Since I don't know anyone with a portable mill it looks like
> getting lumber is a no-go, and, according to the previous poster, the
> wood might not be fit for lumber anyway.
>
I have an Alaskan chainsaw mill (32" bar on Stihl 066) and will split
the wood with you if you push the saw :)
I've got 5 white oaks and a maple to cut up on my property, but
there's always room for a little bit more! Send me an e-mail if
you're interested...
Chris
There is some info here about salvaging trees. If Norm does it, it must be OK.
http://www.harvestingurbantimber.com/
[email protected] (EricY) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Here in Richmond we're still feeling the effects of hurricane Isabell.
> No power, we can't drink the water, and lots of cleanup left to do.
>
> Has anyone ever had any luck with getting large trees from the city
> that fell in a storm like this? There's a lot of lumber out there...
> mostly pin oaks, but some maple, sycamore, and white oaks as well.
>
> I tried to get some firewood from a school in Henrico county where 3
> very large white oaks fell and was told that I couldn't have any due
> to liability reasons. They were just going to send the trees (about 3
> feet in diameter) to the landfill. What a shame.
>
> It's sad to drive down the street and see so many large trees down and
> know that a lot of the wood will just go to waste.
>
> Eric
On 22 Sep 2003 06:53:34 -0700, [email protected] (EricY) wrote:
>
>It's sad to drive down the street and see so many large trees down and
>know that a lot of the wood will just go to waste.
>
>Eric
FWW had a story or somesuch about someone that went around Miami after
hurrican Andrew harvesting blown down cuban mahogany.
In light of that, what you want, and more must be possible to do. I'd
ask the people doing the cleanup for the stuff you need. If you've
got a woodmizer, maybe now is the time to take around and make some
lumber.
I dislike the waste too, but not every tree is worth sawing into
lumber for one reason or another.
"Norm Underwood" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "McQualude" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Norm Underwood spaketh...
> >
> > >> > getting large trees from the city that fell in a storm
> >
> > >> Most, if not all of those trees will have wind shake, the wind will
> > >> seperate the wood fibers while rocking the tree back and forth.
> > >> Basically, it's only good for firewood.
> >
> > > Uhh, wind shake is not caused by wind. It's caused by bacteria.
> >
> > Don't be dense, wind shake is caused by the wind, that's why it's
> called
> > WIND shake.
> > http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=wind%20shake
> >
> > You're thinking of spalted lumber.
> > --
> > McQualude
>
> Uhh, no if I was thinking of spalted lumber, I would have said that.
> http://www.woodweb.com/knowledge_base/Cutting_shake_out_of_logs.html
>
> Using your logic, we can assume that baby oil made out of babies.
Reading the link you posted, you might both be right. It seems that wind
shake typically is, in fact, caused by wind. However, the tree has an
underlying weakness caused by bacteria. The info goes on to say that in a
tornado (another cyclone), a tree can develop wind shake without the
presence of bacteria. So, I call an end to the pissing match and declare a
draw.
todd
"McQualude" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Norm Underwood spaketh...
>
> > "McQualude" wrote in message
> >> >> Most, if not all of those trees will have wind shake, the wind
will
> >> >> seperate the wood fibers while rocking the tree back and forth.
>
> >> > Uhh, wind shake is not caused by wind. It's caused by bacteria.
>
> >> Don't be dense, wind shake is caused by the wind, that's why it's
> >> called WIND shake.
> >> http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=wind%20shake
> >> McQualude
>
> > Uhh, no ...
> > http://www.woodweb.com/knowledge_base/Cutting_shake_out_of_logs.html
>
> I suggest you read your own citations before posting them.
>
> "Of course, if the wood has been in a tornado, it might develop shake
> without a bacterial presence. -Gene Wengert, forum technical advisor,
> woodweb.com
>
> We were discussing trees knocked down by a hurricane, not a stretch of
> the imagination that they may have wind shake.
>
> Shake is the condition, wind is a cause; disease can weaken the tree
and
> may cause the shake or more likely increase the likelyhood of shake,
but
> it is not the only cause.
> --
> McQualude
Now go to http://www.weather.com and look up the difference between a
tornado and a hurricane. Most trees from Isabel were uprooted by
straight line winds. Tornados are cyclonic winds which twist the trees
and don't uproot them but snap them in half. Therefore, it's not likely
that the trees will have any more internal stress than they did before
the hurricane knocked them over.
Go rent a flat bed with a crane and then go to the landfill. They would
probably be glad to get rid of them.
"EricY" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Here in Richmond we're still feeling the effects of hurricane Isabell.
> No power, we can't drink the water, and lots of cleanup left to do.
>
> Has anyone ever had any luck with getting large trees from the city
> that fell in a storm like this? There's a lot of lumber out there...
> mostly pin oaks, but some maple, sycamore, and white oaks as well.
>
> I tried to get some firewood from a school in Henrico county where 3
> very large white oaks fell and was told that I couldn't have any due
> to liability reasons. They were just going to send the trees (about 3
> feet in diameter) to the landfill. What a shame.
>
> It's sad to drive down the street and see so many large trees down and
> know that a lot of the wood will just go to waste.
>
> Eric
That would be burritocrats
Swingman wrote:
> Close ... small (minded) jackasses.
>
> --
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> Last update: 9/21/03
>
> "Rico" wrote in message
> > Swingman wrote:
> > > About what you'd expect from ....burrocrats
> >
> > Mexican gummnt officials?
> >
> > Rico
>
>
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Norm Underwood spaketh...
>> > getting large trees from the city that fell in a storm
>> Most, if not all of those trees will have wind shake, the wind will
>> seperate the wood fibers while rocking the tree back and forth.
>> Basically, it's only good for firewood.
> Uhh, wind shake is not caused by wind. It's caused by bacteria.
Don't be dense, wind shake is caused by the wind, that's why it's called
WIND shake.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=wind%20shake
You're thinking of spalted lumber.
--
McQualude
EricY spaketh...
> Here in Richmond we're still feeling the effects of hurricane Isabell.
> Has anyone ever had any luck with getting large trees from the city
> that fell in a storm like this? There's a lot of lumber out there...
> mostly pin oaks, but some maple, sycamore, and white oaks as well.
Most, if not all of those trees will have wind shake, the wind will
seperate the wood fibers while rocking the tree back and forth. Basically,
it's only good for firewood.
--
McQualude
Norm Underwood spaketh...
> "McQualude" wrote in message
>> >> Most, if not all of those trees will have wind shake, the wind will
>> >> seperate the wood fibers while rocking the tree back and forth.
>> > Uhh, wind shake is not caused by wind. It's caused by bacteria.
>> Don't be dense, wind shake is caused by the wind, that's why it's
>> called WIND shake.
>> http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=wind%20shake
>> McQualude
> Uhh, no ...
> http://www.woodweb.com/knowledge_base/Cutting_shake_out_of_logs.html
I suggest you read your own citations before posting them.
"Of course, if the wood has been in a tornado, it might develop shake
without a bacterial presence. -Gene Wengert, forum technical advisor,
woodweb.com
We were discussing trees knocked down by a hurricane, not a stretch of
the imagination that they may have wind shake.
Shake is the condition, wind is a cause; disease can weaken the tree and
may cause the shake or more likely increase the likelyhood of shake, but
it is not the only cause.
--
McQualude
Fred the Red Shirt spaketh...
>> Shake is the condition, wind is a cause; disease can weaken the tree
>> and may cause the shake or more likely increase the likelyhood of
>> shake, but it is not the only cause.
> Considering the jolt a tree trunk gets when the tree is felled it
> seems unlikely that wind shake is caused by wind shaking the tree.
>
> I would suppose that the term 'wind shake' dates back a couple of
> hundred years at least, maybe even to a time before bacteria had
> been discovered. So, if a modern source indicates that wind shake
> is caused by a bacterial infection of the cambriam, I'm happy to
> accept that.
>
> You could try shaking a piece of wood until it breaks. I bet
> it'll crack accross the grain befor is splits with the grain--
> unless it is a short-grained board like curly wood.
Fred, as far as any information on wind shake I can find, shake is the
condition (like warp, twist, cup, check etc). Check is wood separation
across the growth rings, shake is seperation parallel to the rings.
AFAIK, it isn't called wind shake because of the wind shaking the tree,
but because the 'shake' is caused by the wind. Shake is also caused by
disease.
It would be easy to assume that the condition 'shake' is named because
people believed the wind caused it, but I don't believe that is true.
Shake also happens in rock and I'm pretty sure it isn't caused by wind,
but by frost or geophysical stress. Here are two definitions of shake:
shake: (noun) A fissure in rock. A crack in timber caused by wind or
frost.
I've can only say it so many ways: it isn't called 'wind shake' because
the wind shakes the tree, it is called wind shake because 'wind' causes
the 'shake'. I suppose shake caused by frost could be called 'frost
shake' or if caused by bacteria 'germ shake'.
--
McQualude
"EricY" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
: Here in Richmond we're still feeling the effects of hurricane Isabell.
: No power, we can't drink the water, and lots of cleanup left to do.
:
: Has anyone ever had any luck with getting large trees from the city
: that fell in a storm like this? There's a lot of lumber out there...
: mostly pin oaks, but some maple, sycamore, and white oaks as well.
:
: I tried to get some firewood from a school in Henrico county where 3
: very large white oaks fell and was told that I couldn't have any due
: to liability reasons. They were just going to send the trees (about 3
: feet in diameter) to the landfill. What a shame.
:
: It's sad to drive down the street and see so many large trees down and
: know that a lot of the wood will just go to waste.
:
: Eric
Check with the tree cutting crews on the street. They may or may not help you out.
[email protected] (EricY) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Here in Richmond we're still feeling the effects of hurricane Isabell.
> No power, we can't drink the water, and lots of cleanup left to do.
>
> Has anyone ever had any luck with getting large trees from the city
> that fell in a storm like this? There's a lot of lumber out there...
> mostly pin oaks, but some maple, sycamore, and white oaks as well.
>
> I tried to get some firewood from a school in Henrico county where 3
> very large white oaks fell and was told that I couldn't have any due
> to liability reasons. They were just going to send the trees (about 3
> feet in diameter) to the landfill. What a shame.
>
> It's sad to drive down the street and see so many large trees down and
> know that a lot of the wood will just go to waste.
>
> Eric
Eric,
If you see it in front of a person's house, go up and knock on the
door and ask if you can go through their lumber pile. Some will say
no, some will say yes. I've gotten some nice dogwood that way here in
Raleigh, NC.
On 22 Sep 2003 06:53:34 -0700, [email protected] (EricY) wrote:
>Has anyone ever had any luck with getting large trees from the city
>that fell in a storm like this?
Yes, but you need to cruise the streets in a flatbed truck with a HIAB
crane on the back.
Everyone "just wants rid" of the fallen tree. But no-one is equipped
to move or deliver a whole butt for you. If you don't want it
chainsawed down to manageable lengths, then you need to have your own
transport.
Of course, if you're a bowl turner, then it's open season.
--
Smert' spamionam
About what you'd expect from the damn lawyers and burrocrats ... makes you
hope you find one under one of those trees.
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Last update: 9/21/03
"EricY" wrote in message
> I tried to get some firewood from a school in Henrico county where 3
> very large white oaks fell and was told that I couldn't have any due
> to liability reasons. They were just going to send the trees (about 3
> feet in diameter) to the landfill. What a shame.
[email protected] (Charles Erskine) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> There is some info here about salvaging trees. If Norm does it, it must be OK.
>
Doesn't Norm stain cherry?
> http://www.harvestingurbantimber.com/
But I do like a lot of what he does--and whether I like it or not most
everythign he does he does better than I.
--
FF
[email protected] (EricY) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Here in Richmond we're still feeling the effects of hurricane Isabell.
> No power, we can't drink the water, and lots of cleanup left to do.
>
> Has anyone ever had any luck with getting large trees from the city
> that fell in a storm like this? There's a lot of lumber out there...
> mostly pin oaks, but some maple, sycamore, and white oaks as well.
>
> I tried to get some firewood from a school in Henrico county where 3
> very large white oaks fell and was told that I couldn't have any due
> to liability reasons. They were just going to send the trees (about 3
> feet in diameter) to the landfill. What a shame.
In such a case you could offer them a waiver of liability.
--
FF
"todd" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "Norm Underwood" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "McQualude" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Norm Underwood spaketh...
> > >
> > > >> > getting large trees from the city that fell in a storm
>
> > > >> Most, if not all of those trees will have wind shake, the wind will
> > > >> seperate the wood fibers while rocking the tree back and forth.
> > > >> Basically, it's only good for firewood.
>
> > > > Uhh, wind shake is not caused by wind. It's caused by bacteria.
> > >
> > > Don't be dense, wind shake is caused by the wind, that's why it's
> called
> > > WIND shake.
> > > http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=wind%20shake
> > >
> > > You're thinking of spalted lumber.
> > > --
> > > McQualude
> >
Spalted wood is caused by fungus, not by bacteria.
> > Uhh, no if I was thinking of spalted lumber, I would have said that.
> > http://www.woodweb.com/knowledge_base/Cutting_shake_out_of_logs.html
> >
> > Using your logic, we can assume that baby oil made out of babies.
>
> Reading the link you posted, you might both be right. It seems that wind
> shake typically is, in fact, caused by wind. However, the tree has an
> underlying weakness caused by bacteria. The info goes on to say that in a
> tornado (another cyclone), a tree can develop wind shake without the
> presence of bacteria. So, I call an end to the pissing match and declare a
> draw.
>
I win!
--
FF
"Norm Underwood" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>
>
> Now go to http://www.weather.com and look up the difference between a
> tornado and a hurricane. Most trees from Isabel were uprooted by
> straight line winds. Tornados are cyclonic winds which twist the trees
> and don't uproot them but snap them in half. ...
Half my ass. Tornados turn trees into woodchips.
--
FF
[email protected] (Hylourgos) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> [email protected] (Fred the Red Shirt) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> > "Norm Underwood" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> > >
> > >
> > > Now go to http://www.weather.com and look up the difference between a
> > > tornado and a hurricane. Most trees from Isabel were uprooted by
> > > straight line winds. Tornados are cyclonic winds which twist the trees
> > > and don't uproot them but snap them in half. ...
> >
> > Half my ass. Tornados turn trees into woodchips.
>
> Some chip, some snap. I've seen my share in NC. Once I saw one close
> up, eating a trailer park for breakfast (no joke, in Hillsborough).
> The trees around it were mostly pine and they were all snapped about
> halfway up. Place looked like Godzilla had a tantrum there. The few
> hardwood on that acre or so fell too: their trunks intact but many
> branches snapped off. The only chips were from the snapping or when
> the trees fell onto one another. But having seen the power I don't
> doubt that under the right conditions a tornado could make for a fine
> chipper.
I didn't see the tornado itself, but I saw the 50 yd wide swath it
cut through the woods. Looked like a giant brushhog had weaved its
way through. Here and there a tree trunk was still attached to the
stump, but twisted and shattered.
--
FF
McQualude <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Norm Underwood spaketh...
>
> ...
> > Uhh, no ...
> > http://www.woodweb.com/knowledge_base/Cutting_shake_out_of_logs.html
>
> I suggest you read your own citations before posting them.
>
> "Of course, if the wood has been in a tornado, it might develop shake
> without a bacterial presence. -Gene Wengert, forum technical advisor,
> woodweb.com
>
> We were discussing trees knocked down by a hurricane, not a stretch of
> the imagination that they may have wind shake.
>
> Shake is the condition, wind is a cause; disease can weaken the tree and
> may cause the shake or more likely increase the likelyhood of shake, but
> it is not the only cause.
Considering the jolt a tree trunk gets when the tree is felled it
seems unlikely that wind shake is caused by wind shaking the tree.
I would suppose that the term 'wind shake' dates back a couple of
hundred years at least, maybe even to a time before bacteria had
been discovered. So, if a modern source indicates that wind shake
is caused by a bacterial infection of the cambriam, I'm happy to
accept that.
You could try shaking a piece of wood until it breaks. I bet
it'll crack accross the grain befor is splits with the grain--
unless it is a short-grained board like curly wood.
--
FF
Man, you guys have my total sympathy, for all the good that does you. We
lost our home of 14 years, and just about everything in it, to Tropical
Storm Allison back in June 2001. Keep your collective chin's up and hang in
there ... it takes a while to recover, but recover you do. I certainly hope
your families are safe, if a bit bedraggled and wet ... that's the important
part.
--
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Last update: 9/21/03
"john" wrote in message
> I have a 50 foot maple on my roof as well. Not sure what type of maple it
is
> but there isn't any straight part that could be used as lumber I can see.
> I'll be saving some peices for the lathe but can't use near all of it. Any
> one in College Park MD area that want's some maple to turn it's yours for
> free. Gota wait till the insurance man says I can take it down though....
>
>
> "Charles Erskine" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > There is some info here about salvaging trees. If Norm does it, it must
> be OK.
> >
> > http://www.harvestingurbantimber.com/
> >
> > [email protected] (EricY) wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
> > > Here in Richmond we're still feeling the effects of hurricane Isabell.
> > > No power, we can't drink the water, and lots of cleanup left to do.
> > >
> > > Has anyone ever had any luck with getting large trees from the city
> > > that fell in a storm like this? There's a lot of lumber out there...
> > > mostly pin oaks, but some maple, sycamore, and white oaks as well.
> > >
> > > I tried to get some firewood from a school in Henrico county where 3
> > > very large white oaks fell and was told that I couldn't have any due
> > > to liability reasons. They were just going to send the trees (about 3
> > > feet in diameter) to the landfill. What a shame.
> > >
> > > It's sad to drive down the street and see so many large trees down and
> > > know that a lot of the wood will just go to waste.
> > >
> > > Eric
>
>
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 00:23:55 +0100, Andy Dingley
<[email protected]> pixelated:
>On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 21:24:39 GMT, "Norm Underwood"
><[email protected]> wrote:
DFTFT.
>>Using your logic, we can assume that baby oil made out of babies.
>
>Only the good stuff. The cheap brands are cut with puppy fat.
<g>
--
Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life.
---- --Unknown
This is our house after hurricane Erin paid a visit:
http://www.2manytoyz.com/temp/tree1.jpg
http://www.2manytoyz.com/temp/tree2.jpg
The first picture is a huge china berry tree, the second a full sized maple.
I'd gladly let anyone willing have any/all of either one. Both trees were a
complete write off. The china berry took weeks of slicing to finally get it
removed. I now have a renewed respect for something as little as a category
1 hurricane.
I can understand the county's position as far a liability. Some idiot gets
hurt, then sues them.
"Kevin Eberwein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> [email protected] (EricY) wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > Here in Richmond we're still feeling the effects of hurricane Isabell.
> > No power, we can't drink the water, and lots of cleanup left to do.
> >
> > Has anyone ever had any luck with getting large trees from the city
> > that fell in a storm like this? There's a lot of lumber out there...
> > mostly pin oaks, but some maple, sycamore, and white oaks as well.
> >
> > I tried to get some firewood from a school in Henrico county where 3
> > very large white oaks fell and was told that I couldn't have any due
> > to liability reasons. They were just going to send the trees (about 3
> > feet in diameter) to the landfill. What a shame.
> >
> > It's sad to drive down the street and see so many large trees down and
> > know that a lot of the wood will just go to waste.
> >
> > Eric
>
> Eric,
>
> If you see it in front of a person's house, go up and knock on the
> door and ask if you can go through their lumber pile. Some will say
> no, some will say yes. I've gotten some nice dogwood that way here in
> Raleigh, NC.
>
On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:51:14 +0100, Andy Dingley
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Yes, but you need to cruise the streets in a flatbed truck with a HIAB
>crane on the back.
>
>Everyone "just wants rid" of the fallen tree. But no-one is equipped
>to move or deliver a whole butt for you. If you don't want it
>chainsawed down to manageable lengths, then you need to have your own
>transport.
>
Yep, wet wood = heavy
In this situation, if you're equipped, you might get enough lumber for
a lifetime.
"McQualude" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Norm Underwood spaketh...
>
> >> > getting large trees from the city that fell in a storm
>
> >> Most, if not all of those trees will have wind shake, the wind will
> >> seperate the wood fibers while rocking the tree back and forth.
> >> Basically, it's only good for firewood.
>
> > Uhh, wind shake is not caused by wind. It's caused by bacteria.
>
> Don't be dense, wind shake is caused by the wind, that's why it's
called
> WIND shake.
> http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=wind%20shake
>
> You're thinking of spalted lumber.
> --
> McQualude
Uhh, no if I was thinking of spalted lumber, I would have said that.
http://www.woodweb.com/knowledge_base/Cutting_shake_out_of_logs.html
Using your logic, we can assume that baby oil made out of babies.
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 21:24:39 GMT, "Norm Underwood"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>http://www.woodweb.com/knowledge_base/Cutting_shake_out_of_logs.html
No one knows what causes shake. There are probably several causes.
Drought stress will do it to oaks, and sandy soils make it likely
anyway.
There is one view that bacterial or fungal damage is implicated. But
(unlike that website implies) it happens in the cambium while the tree
is young. It's definitely not caused by some bizarre attack in an
adult tree, that chooses to preferentially attack just one ring, deep
within the butt.
>Using your logic, we can assume that baby oil made out of babies.
Only the good stuff. The cheap brands are cut with puppy fat.
--
Smert' spamionam
"Larry Jaques" <jake@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 00:23:55 +0100, Andy Dingley
> <[email protected]> pixelated:
>
> >On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 21:24:39 GMT, "Norm Underwood"
> ><[email protected]> wrote:
>
> DFTFT.
>
DFTTP
>
> "EricY" wrote in message
>
> > I tried to get some firewood from a school in Henrico county where 3
> > very large white oaks fell and was told that I couldn't have any due
> > to liability reasons. They were just going to send the trees (about 3
> > feet in diameter) to the landfill. What a shame.
Out town cuts it and sells it as cordwood. Unless you happen by when they
are cutting the trees and bring the coffee.
Ed
Regarding wind shake, Most of the big oaks knocked over by Isabel were
pulled up by the roots due to our very wet conditions for the last 3-4
months. Some may have "wind shake", but I don't think these trees were
"shaken" that much by Isabel. I guess you would just have to cut some to
see.
Montyhp.
"McQualude" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Norm Underwood spaketh...
>
> > "McQualude" wrote in message
> >> >> Most, if not all of those trees will have wind shake, the wind will
> >> >> seperate the wood fibers while rocking the tree back and forth.
>
> >> > Uhh, wind shake is not caused by wind. It's caused by bacteria.
>
> >> Don't be dense, wind shake is caused by the wind, that's why it's
> >> called WIND shake.
> >> http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=wind%20shake
> >> McQualude
>
> > Uhh, no ...
> > http://www.woodweb.com/knowledge_base/Cutting_shake_out_of_logs.html
>
> I suggest you read your own citations before posting them.
>
> "Of course, if the wood has been in a tornado, it might develop shake
> without a bacterial presence. -Gene Wengert, forum technical advisor,
> woodweb.com
>
> We were discussing trees knocked down by a hurricane, not a stretch of
> the imagination that they may have wind shake.
>
> Shake is the condition, wind is a cause; disease can weaken the tree and
> may cause the shake or more likely increase the likelyhood of shake, but
> it is not the only cause.
> --
> McQualude
I have a 50 foot maple on my roof as well. Not sure what type of maple it is
but there isn't any straight part that could be used as lumber I can see.
I'll be saving some peices for the lathe but can't use near all of it. Any
one in College Park MD area that want's some maple to turn it's yours for
free. Gota wait till the insurance man says I can take it down though....
"Charles Erskine" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> There is some info here about salvaging trees. If Norm does it, it must
be OK.
>
> http://www.harvestingurbantimber.com/
>
> [email protected] (EricY) wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > Here in Richmond we're still feeling the effects of hurricane Isabell.
> > No power, we can't drink the water, and lots of cleanup left to do.
> >
> > Has anyone ever had any luck with getting large trees from the city
> > that fell in a storm like this? There's a lot of lumber out there...
> > mostly pin oaks, but some maple, sycamore, and white oaks as well.
> >
> > I tried to get some firewood from a school in Henrico county where 3
> > very large white oaks fell and was told that I couldn't have any due
> > to liability reasons. They were just going to send the trees (about 3
> > feet in diameter) to the landfill. What a shame.
> >
> > It's sad to drive down the street and see so many large trees down and
> > know that a lot of the wood will just go to waste.
> >
> > Eric