On 12/4/2014 10:35 AM, Electric Comet wrote:
>
> I like this saw, it looks like a lot of work to use. Not sure if it
> removes less wood than a chain saw.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSuKf-qHH4s
>
>Doing the same chore with a chain
> saw would be difficult if not impossible.
You don't say? Challenge accepted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx5HrPqS_fw
Electric Comet wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 17:12:09 -0500
> "G. Ross"<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Reinvention of a common saw from the 50's. It had a larger blade,
>> larger wheels and was used with the blade horizontal for cutting down
>> trees for pulpwood and the blade was turned vertical for limbing and
>> cutting the lengths. It was replaced by chainsaws and went extinct
>> here in Georgia. I will post a picture in ABPW.
>
> Possibly not a reinvention but a hold-over. Were the ones from the 50's
> pushed by hand too? I have a vague memory they were motor driven.
>
>
Pushed by hand. The large bicycle-type tires had no spokes to catch
on brush, but had a solid metal plate.
--
GW Ross
Macho does not prove Mucho.
Electric Comet wrote:
>
> I like this saw, it looks like a lot of work to use. Not sure if it
> removes less wood than a chain saw. Doing the same chore with a chain
> saw would be difficult if not impossible.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSuKf-qHH4s
>
> The ladder made from that timber came out nice and was made for an
> exhibit.
>
>
Reinvention of a common saw from the 50's. It had a larger blade,
larger wheels and was used with the blade horizontal for cutting down
trees for pulpwood and the blade was turned vertical for limbing and
cutting the lengths. It was replaced by chainsaws and went extinct
here in Georgia. I will post a picture in ABPW.
--
GW Ross
Macho does not prove Mucho.
Sonny <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> His saw is going counter clockwise. I would feel safer, using it, if
> it went clockwise.
>
> For any swing saw, as these, I wonder what happens when they hit metal
> - fencing, a big nail or spike.
It's belt drive, so most likely the blade stops and the belt
slips. The weight of the engine, etc, has so much leverage
on the blade that it's unlikely to jump around.
That said, it still looks like an absurdly dangerous piece
of equipment. A regular circular saw mill, where the saw
is stationary and the log moves thru it, is bad enough.
Seems to me you could get the same result, a lot more
safely, with a portable bandmill like a Woodmizer.
John
Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote in news:m62av2$c0i$7
@dont-email.me:
> On Fri, 5 Dec 2014 23:31:42 +0000 (UTC)
> John McCoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Seems to me you could get the same result, a lot more
>> safely, with a portable bandmill like a Woodmizer.
>
> From what I've seen these portable saw mills don't handle crooked
> timber well or at all. At least the demos I looked at didn't show
> them cutting twisted timbers. I always noticed they were cutting
> logs that were generally straight and cleared of all branches, etc.
Well, typically they're used for making lumber. For
that purpose you want a straight log, otherwise the
boards you get from it will warp, cup, and twist in
every direction when they dry.
I understand boat-builders do use bandmills for cutting
knees and other compass timbers. Other than for weird
ornamental purposes, that's the only case I can think of
where you'd cut a non-straight log, and that's a pretty
specialized application.
John
Electric Comet wrote:
> I like this saw, it looks like a lot of work to use. Not sure if it
> removes less wood than a chain saw. Doing the same chore with a chain
> saw would be difficult if not impossible.
Really? Not very familiar with the use of chain saws, are you?
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
A good sharp chain saw would turn that into "butta"
That saw the fellow is using is a literal "widow maker"
Although it is inventive.....imagine if it got caught up in the blocks
holding the log up.
Anyway, I do like ingenuity, and experiment....
I do know this fellow is hard core, and knows how to handle his tools.
john
"Electric Comet" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
I like this saw, it looks like a lot of work to use. Not sure if it
removes less wood than a chain saw. Doing the same chore with a chain
saw would be difficult if not impossible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSuKf-qHH4s
The ladder made from that timber came out nice and was made for an
exhibit.
On 12/05/2014 9:03 AM, jloomis wrote:
> A good sharp chain saw would turn that into "butta"
> That saw the fellow is using is a literal "widow maker"
> Although it is inventive.....imagine if it got caught up in the blocks
> holding the log up.
...
Worst thing I see on that is the lack of a chain guard -- if a link were
to break, he's got a pretty good whip coming at him...
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On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 14:14:12 -0700
Just Wondering <[email protected]> wrote:
> You don't say? Challenge accepted.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx5HrPqS_fw
>
Not a good comparison. If you can't see why it doesn't matter.
On Thu, 04 Dec 2014 17:12:09 -0500
"G. Ross" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Reinvention of a common saw from the 50's. It had a larger blade,
> larger wheels and was used with the blade horizontal for cutting down
> trees for pulpwood and the blade was turned vertical for limbing and
> cutting the lengths. It was replaced by chainsaws and went extinct
> here in Georgia. I will post a picture in ABPW.
Possibly not a reinvention but a hold-over. Were the ones from the 50's
pushed by hand too? I have a vague memory they were motor driven.
On Thu, 4 Dec 2014 22:12:34 -0500
"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Really? Not very familiar with the use of chain saws, are you?
>
I think it would be much harder, more dangerous and the final product
not as clean. The goal in this video was to maintain the rough timber
twists and turns and also to retain as much of the timber as possible.
On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 09:23:23 -0600
dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
> Worst thing I see on that is the lack of a chain guard -- if a link
> were to break, he's got a pretty good whip coming at him...
You mean a belt guard? I didn't see the chains but maybe I missed
them.
On 12/05/2014 3:44 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 09:23:23 -0600
> dpb<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Worst thing I see on that is the lack of a chain guard -- if a link
>> were to break, he's got a pretty good whip coming at him...
>
> You mean a belt guard? I didn't see the chains but maybe I missed
> them.
I guess on enlarging it they are belts...didn't watch much of it; 5-10
secs pretty much was the whole story and at first glance thought was
link chain drive. Broken belt would do less damage for sure, but still
wouldn't be fun to be flailed by one...
--
Electric Comet wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Dec 2014 22:12:34 -0500
> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Really? Not very familiar with the use of chain saws, are you?
>>
> I think it would be much harder, more dangerous and the final product
> not as clean. The goal in this video was to maintain the rough timber
> twists and turns and also to retain as much of the timber as possible.
Actually, I though this machine looked a lot more dicey than a chainsaw.
The operator appears to be quite experienced with it but he has to move it
around a lot to make those cuts. A chainsaw jig would be a lot more stable
and would cut faster than this rig did. It would cut a wider kerf, so more
waste, but that doesn't really seem to be an issue in this particular
application.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On 12/06/2014 6:48 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Electric Comet wrote:
>> On Thu, 4 Dec 2014 22:12:34 -0500
>> "Mike Marlow"<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Really? Not very familiar with the use of chain saws, are you?
>>>
>> I think it would be much harder, more dangerous and the final product
>> not as clean. The goal in this video was to maintain the rough timber
>> twists and turns and also to retain as much of the timber as possible.
>
> Actually, I though this machine looked a lot more dicey than a chainsaw.
> The operator appears to be quite experienced with it but he has to move it
> around a lot to make those cuts. A chainsaw jig would be a lot more stable
> and would cut faster than this rig did. It would cut a wider kerf, so more
> waste, but that doesn't really seem to be an issue in this particular
> application.
What'd be the fun in that??? This is simply kewl...other than I'd add a
couple shields as noted above on the belts looks like a neat rig to me
and I think I'd prefer that over holding a heavy chainsaw for ripping.
The real trick that would be the better theoretically would be to take
the portable milling bandsaw like the WoodMizer and make a carriage for
it that could be swung to follow the contour as can do w/ normal bandsaw
and handheld pieces. Speed _plus_ thinner kerf at cost of more
complexity in the mechanism...
--
On Fri, 5 Dec 2014 07:03:33 -0800
"jloomis" <[email protected]> wrote:
> A good sharp chain saw would turn that into "butta"
It might but would not be easy and I still think it'd be more
dangerous.
On Fri, 5 Dec 2014 08:44:43 -0800 (PST)
Sonny <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thursday, December 4, 2014 4:11:32 PM UTC-6, G. Ross wrote:
>
> I will post a picture in ABPW.
>
> His saw is going counter clockwise. I would feel safer, using it, if
> it went clockwise.
>
> For any swing saw, as these, I wonder what happens when they hit
> metal - fencing, a big nail or spike.
It dulls the blade, makes extra noise, kicks a little?
But I'd guess that he knows enough to run a metal detector over
things he's cutting.
On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 16:32:51 -0600
dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I guess on enlarging it they are belts...didn't watch much of it;
> 5-10 secs pretty much was the whole story and at first glance thought
One part of the story you may have missed was that he hit the chalk
mark right on the money at the end of the cut.
> was link chain drive. Broken belt would do less damage for sure, but
> still wouldn't be fun to be flailed by one...
Agreed, although some people like getting flailed by belts
apparently. \^:
On Fri, 05 Dec 2014 18:17:31 -0500
"G. Ross" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Pushed by hand. The large bicycle-type tires had no spokes to catch
> on brush, but had a solid metal plate.
Interesting solution, a lot stronger I'd guess.
On Fri, 5 Dec 2014 23:31:42 +0000 (UTC)
John McCoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> Seems to me you could get the same result, a lot more
> safely, with a portable bandmill like a Woodmizer.
=46rom what I've seen these portable saw mills don't handle crooked
timber well or at all. At least the demos I looked at didn't show
them cutting twisted timbers. I always noticed they were cutting
logs that were generally straight and cleared of all branches, etc.
On Sat, 06 Dec 2014 09:33:16 -0600
dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
> What'd be the fun in that??? This is simply kewl...other than I'd
> add a couple shields as noted above on the belts looks like a neat
> rig to me and I think I'd prefer that over holding a heavy chainsaw
> for ripping.
It is cool and I'd guess by the fellas age that he knows what's
best for that saw and him. That old saying comes to mind
"The skills of the survivors are passed on."
Electric Comet wrote:
> On Fri, 5 Dec 2014 07:03:33 -0800
> "jloomis" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> A good sharp chain saw would turn that into "butta"
>
> It might but would not be easy and I still think it'd be more
> dangerous.
It would actually be very easy and I believe the unstable nature of the
device in the video is much more dangerous than a chainsaw. It might pay
you to google some of the chainsaw mills that are out there - some were even
provided in response to this thread.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Electric Comet wrote:
> On Fri, 5 Dec 2014 23:31:42 +0000 (UTC)
> John McCoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Seems to me you could get the same result, a lot more
>> safely, with a portable bandmill like a Woodmizer.
>
> From what I've seen these portable saw mills don't handle crooked
> timber well or at all. At least the demos I looked at didn't show
> them cutting twisted timbers. I always noticed they were cutting
> logs that were generally straight and cleared of all branches, etc.
Holy cow Mister - you really need to put a bit more effort into looking at
the abundance of videos that are out there. You're so far off base that
it's not worth arguing with.
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-Mike-
[email protected]