Yes, that is my quandary. I have a stack of pallets, and some
rather nice (for some values of nice) boards in some of them.
Hardwood, I think "oak" - but I do not know. One thing I do know,
when I saw them loose, the wood gives off a pungent smell, similar to
that of strong vinegar. (I hope it is the wood, and not the saw
blade.)
This is more for my Fund of General Knowledge than a necessity.
I've used "pallet board" like this before to make so rather fine
(IMOSHO) small wooden boxes and the like.
tschus
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"John Grossbohlin" <[email protected]> on Mon, 12
Feb 2018 00:24:09 -0500 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>"pyotr filipivich" wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>>Yes, that is my quandary. I have a stack of pallets, and some
>>rather nice (for some values of nice) boards in some of them.
>>Hardwood, I think "oak" - but I do not know. One thing I do know,
>>when I saw them loose, the wood gives off a pungent smell, similar to
>>that of strong vinegar. (I hope it is the wood, and not the saw
>>blade.)
>>This is more for my Fund of General Knowledge than a necessity.
>>I've used "pallet board" like this before to make so rather fine
>>(IMOSHO) small wooden boxes and the like.
>
>I recently toured the factory of Community Play Things. Their products are
>found in schools, day cares, hospitals, and other institutional places where
>children and babies can be found. While there I found out that they use a
>wood for their outdoor products that is pickled.
>
>Though my memory of the details could be off, as I recall the wood itself is
>from Austria and the preservation is done in Norway... This not a finish but
>rather an impregnating process (I believe done under a vacuum like pressure
>treated wood). When I smelled the wood it had the scent of pickles/vinegar.
>
>For pallet wood it might be cost effective compared to heat treated wood...
>perhaps this is what you have.
I doubt it. Pallets tend to be made of the cheapest stuff around
- at least the grade I'm snagging. The good ones rarely if ever show
up outside the fence.
Years ago, I learned that there was a grade four lumber - 1 x 12
pine boards, each one guaranteed to have cup, warp, bark, knot holes,
or pitch. Or any combination. We used them for shipping 'crates'
for countertops - one way.
>
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Electric Comet <[email protected]> on Tue, 13 Feb 2018
08:34:28 -0800 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 17:07:21 -0800
>pyotr filipivich <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I have some mahogany boards salvaged off a shipping crate.
>
>are they usable
Oh yes. Ripped them on the band saw, and will figure out what to
do with them "eventually".
>
>i ask because sometimes i see some really knotty and crazy grain in
>oak and somehow they get nails into without splitting
>
>it seems the rarer pallet woods are also often the worst scrap pieces
>left over from wherever they source
>
>the pallet making industry probably has some interesting sourcing
>techniques
Like I said - I wasn't aware of "grade 4" lumber. Cupped, warped,
bark, knotholes - it's is sort of a usable board.
>
>urban refuse and the like
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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pyotr filipivich <[email protected]> wrote:
> -MIKE- <[email protected]> on Sun, 11 Feb 2018 19:24:38 -0600
> typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>> On 2/11/18 7:14 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, that is my quandary. I have a stack of pallets, and some
>>> rather nice (for some values of nice) boards in some of them.
>>> Hardwood, I think "oak" - but I do not know. One thing I do know,
>>> when I saw them loose, the wood gives off a pungent smell, similar
>>> to that of strong vinegar. (I hope it is the wood, and not the saw
>>> blade.)
>>
>> There are at least half a dozen woods I can identify by their smell when
>> being cut.
>> Oak, walnut, bubinga, cedar (duh!), hickory, purpleheart, white pine,
>> probably more if I think about it.
>
> Yeah, I can tell pine from "not pine"
>
> But which one smells like vinegar?
Could be oak or arsenic. Pallets get drug along trailer floors that have
had who knows what spilled on them.
-MIKE- <[email protected]> on Sun, 11 Feb 2018 19:24:38 -0600
typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>On 2/11/18 7:14 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>
>> Yes, that is my quandary. I have a stack of pallets, and some
>> rather nice (for some values of nice) boards in some of them.
>> Hardwood, I think "oak" - but I do not know. One thing I do know,
>> when I saw them loose, the wood gives off a pungent smell, similar
>> to that of strong vinegar. (I hope it is the wood, and not the saw
>> blade.)
>
>There are at least half a dozen woods I can identify by their smell when
>being cut.
>Oak, walnut, bubinga, cedar (duh!), hickory, purpleheart, white pine,
>probably more if I think about it.
Yeah, I can tell pine from "not pine"
But which one smells like vinegar?
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On 2/11/2018 7:24 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 2/11/18 7:14 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>
>> Yes, that is my quandary.  I have a stack of pallets, and some rather
>> nice (for some values of nice) boards in some of them. Hardwood, I
>> think "oak" - but I do not know. One thing I do know, when I saw them
>> loose, the wood gives off a pungent smell, similar
>> to that of strong vinegar. (I hope it is the wood, and not the saw
>> blade.)
>
> There are at least half a dozen woods I can identify by their smell when
> being cut.
> Oak, walnut, bubinga, cedar (duh!), hickory, purpleheart, white pine,
> probably more if I think about it.
>
>
Not to mention the nasties that may have soaked into the wood from the
chemicals that may have spilled onto them.
On 2/12/2018 11:04 AM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
> "Leon"Â wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> On 2/11/2018 11:24 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>
>>> I recently toured the factory of Community Play Things. Their
>>> products are found in schools, day cares, hospitals, and other
>>> institutional places where children and babies can be found. While
>>> there I found out that they use a wood for their outdoor products
>>> that is pickled.
>>
>>> Though my memory of the details could be off, as I recall the wood
>>> itself is from Austria and the preservation is done in Norway... This
>>> not a finish but rather an impregnating process (I believe done under
>>> a vacuum like pressure treated wood). When I smelled the wood it had
>>> the scent of pickles/vinegar.
>>
>> > For pallet wood it might be cost effective compared to heat treated
>> > wood... perhaps this is what you have.
>>
>>
>> I used to receive and ship on pallets, hundreds per week. I never saw
>> a treated pallet as most were not wanted back by the shipper, GM. Only
>> a very few were made out of a decent wood and those were so riddled
>> with nails it was more trouble than it was worth to try and salvage
>> for other uses.
>
> Regarding this tread, I was thinking more along the lines of the
> requirements for pallets used in international shipments to be treated
> in some way to prevent invasive pests. The reference to the smell
> suggested to me it could be a product of this pickling process.
>
Well that may very well be the case.
> The efficacy of reusing pallets or pallet wood is certainly a valid
> issue... I've only recycled them into kindling or used them on the floor
> of my lumber shed as any other use would be too great of a time
> waster... especially with the access I've had to rough cut over the
> years. Now that I have an Alaskan chainsaw mill even more opportunities
> present themselves. For example, while removing beaver killed trees from
> a rail trail last fall I picked up 8 cherry logs. I milled four of them
> in my back yard over the past couple weekends... My lumber shed is
> overflowing and I am looking into ways to store and dry more wood... I
> guarantee you none of it will be pallet wood! LOL
>
Yeah, those pallets we ended up with, we receive more than we shipped
out, we had to pay to get rid of them. So I kept the oak ones to one
side and only one time tried to dismantle it. The rest saw my recip saw
and the fireplace.
"pyotr filipivich" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>Yes, that is my quandary. I have a stack of pallets, and some
>rather nice (for some values of nice) boards in some of them.
>Hardwood, I think "oak" - but I do not know. One thing I do know,
>when I saw them loose, the wood gives off a pungent smell, similar to
>that of strong vinegar. (I hope it is the wood, and not the saw
>blade.)
>This is more for my Fund of General Knowledge than a necessity.
>I've used "pallet board" like this before to make so rather fine
>(IMOSHO) small wooden boxes and the like.
I recently toured the factory of Community Play Things. Their products are
found in schools, day cares, hospitals, and other institutional places where
children and babies can be found. While there I found out that they use a
wood for their outdoor products that is pickled.
Though my memory of the details could be off, as I recall the wood itself is
from Austria and the preservation is done in Norway... This not a finish but
rather an impregnating process (I believe done under a vacuum like pressure
treated wood). When I smelled the wood it had the scent of pickles/vinegar.
For pallet wood it might be cost effective compared to heat treated wood...
perhaps this is what you have.
On 2/13/2018 3:52 PM, Amanda wrote:
> [snip]
>>>>> Not to mention the nasties that may have soaked into the wood from the
>>>>> chemicals that may have spilled onto them.
> [snip]
>>>> Could be oak or arsenic. Pallets get drug along trailer floors that have
>>>> had who knows what spilled on them.
> [snip]
>>> Yeah, I can tell pine from "not pine"
>>> But which one smells like vinegar?
>>>
>>
>> the really bad poisonous one ..
>> .. or maybe not.
>> it might be the other one ?
>> .. Who really knows ?
>> .. when it comes down to it.
>> .. hope this helps..
>
> OMG! All the hand wringing, nervous Nellie, negative Nancy
> posts -- over used pallets? Are you kidding me right now?
> The smell is probably your vinegar douche oozing from your
> overly sensitive mangina, Ladyboy. ROTFL
>
> The whining and negativity in here has totally popped
> my happy bubble. :(
>
> This is how you do it, boys.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccLQgIs4NM4
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F5RO8ls7_k
>
> love ya
> mean it
> - Amanda
>
right..... What is that rash I see on the girl in the video?
pyotr filipivich <[email protected]> on Tue, 13 Feb 2018 09:44:58
-0800 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> on Mon, 12 Feb 2018 18:41:14 -0800
>(PST) typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>>On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 8:06:15 PM UTC-5, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> on Mon, 12 Feb 2018 13:56:04 -0600 typed
>>> in rec.woodworking the following:
>>> >
>>> >> The efficacy of reusing pallets or pallet wood is certainly a valid
>>> >> issue... I've only recycled them into kindling or used them on the floor
>>> >> of my lumber shed as any other use would be too great of a time
>>> >> waster... especially with the access I've had to rough cut over the
>>> >> years. Now that I have an Alaskan chainsaw mill even more opportunities
>>> >> present themselves. For example, while removing beaver killed trees from
>>> >> a rail trail last fall I picked up 8 cherry logs. I milled four of them
>>> >> in my back yard over the past couple weekends... My lumber shed is
>>> >> overflowing and I am looking into ways to store and dry more wood... I
>>> >> guarantee you none of it will be pallet wood! LOL
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >Yeah, those pallets we ended up with, we receive more than we shipped
>>> >out, we had to pay to get rid of them. So I kept the oak ones to one
>>> >side and only one time tried to dismantle it. The rest saw my recip saw
>>> >and the fireplace.
>>>
>>> If you want a four inch wide by 12 inch or so board, they're
>>> perfect. Especially for small boxes.
>>
>>Sure, boxes that smell like vinegar. ;-)
>
> With a tight enough fit, you can use them to store vinegar.
Or you can seal it with olive oil, then have a salad bar.
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[email protected] on Tue, 13 Feb 2018 19:04:59 -0500 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
>On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 17:07:21 -0800, pyotr filipivich
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Electric Comet <[email protected]> on Mon, 12 Feb 2018
>>14:10:06 -0800 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>>>On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 17:14:51 -0800
>>>pyotr filipivich <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, that is my quandary. I have a stack of pallets, and
>>>> some rather nice (for some values of nice) boards in some of them.
>>>
>>>smell helps but the grain and density is a big help too
>>>
>>>some are treated with pesticidals
>>>some are toxic and some are not
>>>
>>>mostly see oak and fir but have seen maple
>>>no doubt they source locally suitable wood too but i have not seen
>>>other than those
>>
>> I have some mahogany boards salvaged off a shipping crate.
>
>My father had a bunch of black walnut and mahogany he salvaged out of
>WWII military equipment (a long time go ;-).
Yep.
Biggest "crime against nature" was when Oregon State University
tore down the old Seed Barn. Built back in the 19"oughts" - those
were clear douglas fir beams. Huge. But the contract was "knock it
down and send to the dump."
Even the foreman thought it was a crime, but we both had no place
to put them, even if we could have gotten them out in one piece.
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On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 8:06:15 PM UTC-5, pyotr filipivich wrote:
> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> on Mon, 12 Feb 2018 13:56:04 -0600 typed
> in rec.woodworking the following:
> >
> >> The efficacy of reusing pallets or pallet wood is certainly a valid
> >> issue... I've only recycled them into kindling or used them on the floor
> >> of my lumber shed as any other use would be too great of a time
> >> waster... especially with the access I've had to rough cut over the
> >> years. Now that I have an Alaskan chainsaw mill even more opportunities
> >> present themselves. For example, while removing beaver killed trees from
> >> a rail trail last fall I picked up 8 cherry logs. I milled four of them
> >> in my back yard over the past couple weekends... My lumber shed is
> >> overflowing and I am looking into ways to store and dry more wood... I
> >> guarantee you none of it will be pallet wood! LOL
> >>
> >
> >Yeah, those pallets we ended up with, we receive more than we shipped
> >out, we had to pay to get rid of them. So I kept the oak ones to one
> >side and only one time tried to dismantle it. The rest saw my recip saw
> >and the fireplace.
>
> If you want a four inch wide by 12 inch or so board, they're
> perfect. Especially for small boxes.
Sure, boxes that smell like vinegar. ;-)
Electric Comet <[email protected]> on Tue, 13 Feb 2018
11:51:42 -0800 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>On Tue, 13 Feb 2018 09:44:58 -0800
>pyotr filipivich <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> With a tight enough fit, you can use them to store vinegar.
>
>wooden boat builders actually use the swelling of the wood due to
>water to provide the seal
>
>have to get it just right though
Yep - "build to the nearest boat" I've heard it put.
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On 2/11/2018 11:24 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
> "pyotr filipivich"Â wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> Yes, that is my quandary.  I have a stack of pallets, and some
>> rather nice (for some values of nice) boards in some of them.
>> Hardwood, I think "oak" - but I do not know. One thing I do know,
>> when I saw them loose, the wood gives off a pungent smell, similar to
>> that of strong vinegar. (I hope it is the wood, and not the saw
>> blade.)
>> This is more for my Fund of General Knowledge than a necessity.
>> I've used "pallet board" like this before to make so rather fine
>> (IMOSHO) small wooden boxes and the like.
>
> I recently toured the factory of Community Play Things. Their products
> are found in schools, day cares, hospitals, and other institutional
> places where children and babies can be found. While there I found out
> that they use a wood for their outdoor products that is pickled.
>
> Though my memory of the details could be off, as I recall the wood
> itself is from Austria and the preservation is done in Norway... This
> not a finish but rather an impregnating process (I believe done under a
> vacuum like pressure treated wood). When I smelled the wood it had the
> scent of pickles/vinegar.
>
> For pallet wood it might be cost effective compared to heat treated
> wood... perhaps this is what you have.
>
>
>
> I used to receive and ship on pallets, hundreds per week. I never
saw a treated pallet as most were not wanted back by the shipper, GM.
Only a very few were made out of a decent wood and those were so riddled
with nails it was more trouble than it was worth to try and salvage for
other uses.
>>>
>>> Yes, that is my quandary. I have a stack of pallets, and some
>>> rather nice (for some values of nice) boards in some of them.
>>> Hardwood, I think "oak" - but I do not know. One thing I do know,
>>> when I saw them loose, the wood gives off a pungent smell, similar
>>> to that of strong vinegar. (I hope it is the wood, and not the saw
>>> blade.)
>>
>>There are at least half a dozen woods I can identify by their smell when
>>being cut.
>>Oak, walnut, bubinga, cedar (duh!), hickory, purpleheart, white pine,
>>probably more if I think about it.
>
>Yeah, I can tell pine from "not pine"
>But which one smells like vinegar?
>
the really bad poisonous one ..
.. or maybe not.
it might be the other one ?
.. Who really knows ?
.. when it comes down to it.
.. hope this helps..
>
>PS speaking of vinegar, I learned a few years ago, of a disaster for
>my great grandfather, and the probable Environmental Catastrophe
>involved as well.
>Seems he had a 3000 gallon tank full of apple cider/vinegar
>rupture. Total loss, and it flooded the creek too. No mention in
>the article about any fish kills though.
3 000 gallon [US, liquid] = 11 356. liters
= 22,712 500 ml bottles
at $ 70 per bottle
http://tinyurl.com/ycuaglzc
He was a milionaire ! :-)
John T.
>>
>> Yes, that is my quandary. I have a stack of pallets, and some
>> rather nice (for some values of nice) boards in some of them.
>> Hardwood, I think "oak" - but I do not know. One thing I do know,
>> when I saw them loose, the wood gives off a pungent smell, similar
>> to that of strong vinegar. (I hope it is the wood, and not the saw
>> blade.)
>
>There are at least half a dozen woods I can identify by their smell when
>being cut.
>Oak, walnut, bubinga, cedar (duh!), hickory, purpleheart, white pine,
>probably more if I think about it.
https://www.1001pallets.com/pallet-safety/
Some pallets are used once and discarded.
Some pallets are treated, used and re-used ..
.. for who-knows-what ..
Finder beware ..
John T.
[email protected] on Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:37:25 -0500 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
>
>> I'll take my 4x8 pallet covered with OSB to gather down limbs and cuttings.
>> Nicer load than with forks or a small bucket.
>> I can haul a long limb to an area to be cut.
>>Martin
>>
>
>
> Yep - you'd be surprised what a pallet will hold - I was -
>.. when I caught this on my dash cam .. :-)
>
>http://tinypic.com/r/1zxg82/9
>
> John T.
Hoo boy.
OTOH, hay tends to "bulk out" before it "gross out".
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Leon <[email protected]> on Sun, 11 Feb 2018 21:47:17 -0600 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
>pyotr filipivich <[email protected]> wrote:
>> -MIKE- <[email protected]> on Sun, 11 Feb 2018 19:24:38 -0600
>> typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>>> On 2/11/18 7:14 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes, that is my quandary. I have a stack of pallets, and some
>>>> rather nice (for some values of nice) boards in some of them.
>>>> Hardwood, I think "oak" - but I do not know. One thing I do know,
>>>> when I saw them loose, the wood gives off a pungent smell, similar
>>>> to that of strong vinegar. (I hope it is the wood, and not the saw
>>>> blade.)
>>>
>>> There are at least half a dozen woods I can identify by their smell when
>>> being cut.
>>> Oak, walnut, bubinga, cedar (duh!), hickory, purpleheart, white pine,
>>> probably more if I think about it.
>>
>> Yeah, I can tell pine from "not pine"
>>
>> But which one smells like vinegar?
>
>Could be oak or arsenic. Pallets get drug along trailer floors that have
>had who knows what spilled on them.
And those I tend to pass over. These hardly have the saw marks
worn.
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> I'll take my 4x8 pallet covered with OSB to gather down limbs and cuttings.
> Nicer load than with forks or a small bucket.
> I can haul a long limb to an area to be cut.
>Martin
>
Yep - you'd be surprised what a pallet will hold - I was -
.. when I caught this on my dash cam .. :-)
http://tinypic.com/r/1zxg82/9
John T.
>>
>>> I'll take my 4x8 pallet covered with OSB to gather down limbs and cuttings.
>>> Nicer load than with forks or a small bucket.
>>> I can haul a long limb to an area to be cut.
>>> Martin
>>>
>>
>> Yep - you'd be surprised what a pallet will hold - I was -
>> when I caught this on my dash cam .. :-)
>> http://tinypic.com/r/1zxg82/9
>> John T.
>>
>
>Surprised the Bobcat didn't tip over. :-)
It sure looked strange from a distance -
until I was close enough to see what it was.
I really like my dash-cam for this sort of thing -
I've got a few great lightning bolt screenshots
from it also.
http://tinypic.com/r/35i5d1t/9
http://tinypic.com/r/1r5e69/9
John T.
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> on Mon, 12 Feb 2018 13:56:04 -0600 typed
in rec.woodworking the following:
>
>> The efficacy of reusing pallets or pallet wood is certainly a valid
>> issue... I've only recycled them into kindling or used them on the floor
>> of my lumber shed as any other use would be too great of a time
>> waster... especially with the access I've had to rough cut over the
>> years. Now that I have an Alaskan chainsaw mill even more opportunities
>> present themselves. For example, while removing beaver killed trees from
>> a rail trail last fall I picked up 8 cherry logs. I milled four of them
>> in my back yard over the past couple weekends... My lumber shed is
>> overflowing and I am looking into ways to store and dry more wood... I
>> guarantee you none of it will be pallet wood! LOL
>>
>
>Yeah, those pallets we ended up with, we receive more than we shipped
>out, we had to pay to get rid of them. So I kept the oak ones to one
>side and only one time tried to dismantle it. The rest saw my recip saw
>and the fireplace.
If you want a four inch wide by 12 inch or so board, they're
perfect. Especially for small boxes.
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On 2/11/18 7:14 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>
> Yes, that is my quandary. I have a stack of pallets, and some
> rather nice (for some values of nice) boards in some of them.
> Hardwood, I think "oak" - but I do not know. One thing I do know,
> when I saw them loose, the wood gives off a pungent smell, similar
> to that of strong vinegar. (I hope it is the wood, and not the saw
> blade.)
There are at least half a dozen woods I can identify by their smell when
being cut.
Oak, walnut, bubinga, cedar (duh!), hickory, purpleheart, white pine,
probably more if I think about it.
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--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
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On 2/11/18 9:15 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
> -MIKE- <[email protected]> on Sun, 11 Feb 2018 19:24:38 -0600
> typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>> On 2/11/18 7:14 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, that is my quandary. I have a stack of pallets, and some
>>> rather nice (for some values of nice) boards in some of them.
>>> Hardwood, I think "oak" - but I do not know. One thing I do know,
>>> when I saw them loose, the wood gives off a pungent smell, similar
>>> to that of strong vinegar. (I hope it is the wood, and not the saw
>>> blade.)
>>
>> There are at least half a dozen woods I can identify by their smell when
>> being cut.
>> Oak, walnut, bubinga, cedar (duh!), hickory, purpleheart, white pine,
>> probably more if I think about it.
>
> Yeah, I can tell pine from "not pine"
>
> But which one smells like vinegar?
>
Probably the ones that held the crate of vinegar that sprang a leak. :-D
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On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 17:14:51 -0800
pyotr filipivich <[email protected]> wrote:
> Yes, that is my quandary. I have a stack of pallets, and
> some rather nice (for some values of nice) boards in some of them.
smell helps but the grain and density is a big help too
some are treated with pesticidals
some are toxic and some are not
mostly see oak and fir but have seen maple
no doubt they source locally suitable wood too but i have not seen
other than those
depends on the industry too
some pallets are better than others and some get used once because the
cost of the pallet is so small compared to the cargo
i have never recovered pallet wood that had bugs or even any signs of
bugs
but that will not let me make a conclusion because pallets in use are
on the go and not much time for bugs to set up anyway
you pay more you get treated wood and pay less you get untreated
On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 00:24:09 -0500
"John Grossbohlin" <[email protected]> wrote:
> there I found out that they use a wood for their outdoor products
> that is pickled.
interesting never knew that but it explains a lot
took a part a swing and tower set and could not figure out how the
wood was treated
i think this pickling is the answer
it was also kiln dried and after twenty plus years no bugs and no rot
just some warpage
> Though my memory of the details could be off, as I recall the wood
> itself is from Austria and the preservation is done in Norway... This
> not a finish but rather an impregnating process (I believe done under
> a vacuum like pressure treated wood). When I smelled the wood it had
> the scent of pickles/vinegar.
this stuff had an odd smell and maybe it was vinegar
> For pallet wood it might be cost effective compared to heat treated
> wood... perhaps this is what you have.
that does make sense because they want pallets to be cheap
On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 17:07:21 -0800
pyotr filipivich <[email protected]> wrote:
> I have some mahogany boards salvaged off a shipping crate.
are they usable
i ask because sometimes i see some really knotty and crazy grain in
oak and somehow they get nails into without splitting
it seems the rarer pallet woods are also often the worst scrap pieces
left over from wherever they source
the pallet making industry probably has some interesting sourcing
techniques
urban refuse and the like
On Tue, 13 Feb 2018 09:44:58 -0800
pyotr filipivich <[email protected]> wrote:
> With a tight enough fit, you can use them to store vinegar.
wooden boat builders actually use the swelling of the wood due to
water to provide the seal
have to get it just right though
[snip]
>>>> Not to mention the nasties that may have soaked into the wood from the
>>>> chemicals that may have spilled onto them.
[snip]
>>> Could be oak or arsenic. Pallets get drug along trailer floors that have
>>> had who knows what spilled on them.
[snip]
>>Yeah, I can tell pine from "not pine"
>>But which one smells like vinegar?
>>
>
> the really bad poisonous one ..
>.. or maybe not.
> it might be the other one ?
> .. Who really knows ?
> .. when it comes down to it.
> .. hope this helps..
OMG! All the hand wringing, nervous Nellie, negative Nancy
posts -- over used pallets? Are you kidding me right now?
The smell is probably your vinegar douche oozing from your
overly sensitive mangina, Ladyboy. ROTFL
The whining and negativity in here has totally popped
my happy bubble. :(
This is how you do it, boys.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccLQgIs4NM4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F5RO8ls7_k
love ya
mean it
- Amanda
On 2/16/18 8:37 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>
>> I'll take my 4x8 pallet covered with OSB to gather down limbs and cuttings.
>> Nicer load than with forks or a small bucket.
>> I can haul a long limb to an area to be cut.
>> Martin
>>
>
>
> Yep - you'd be surprised what a pallet will hold - I was -
> .. when I caught this on my dash cam .. :-)
>
> http://tinypic.com/r/1zxg82/9
>
> John T.
>
Surprised the Bobcat didn't tip over. :-)
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--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
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Electric Comet <[email protected]> on Mon, 12 Feb 2018
14:10:06 -0800 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 17:14:51 -0800
>pyotr filipivich <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Yes, that is my quandary. I have a stack of pallets, and
>> some rather nice (for some values of nice) boards in some of them.
>
>smell helps but the grain and density is a big help too
>
>some are treated with pesticidals
>some are toxic and some are not
>
>mostly see oak and fir but have seen maple
>no doubt they source locally suitable wood too but i have not seen
>other than those
I have some mahogany boards salvaged off a shipping crate.
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Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?
DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> on Mon, 12 Feb 2018 18:41:14 -0800
(PST) typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 8:06:15 PM UTC-5, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> on Mon, 12 Feb 2018 13:56:04 -0600 typed
>> in rec.woodworking the following:
>> >
>> >> The efficacy of reusing pallets or pallet wood is certainly a valid
>> >> issue... I've only recycled them into kindling or used them on the floor
>> >> of my lumber shed as any other use would be too great of a time
>> >> waster... especially with the access I've had to rough cut over the
>> >> years. Now that I have an Alaskan chainsaw mill even more opportunities
>> >> present themselves. For example, while removing beaver killed trees from
>> >> a rail trail last fall I picked up 8 cherry logs. I milled four of them
>> >> in my back yard over the past couple weekends... My lumber shed is
>> >> overflowing and I am looking into ways to store and dry more wood... I
>> >> guarantee you none of it will be pallet wood! LOL
>> >>
>> >
>> >Yeah, those pallets we ended up with, we receive more than we shipped
>> >out, we had to pay to get rid of them. So I kept the oak ones to one
>> >side and only one time tried to dismantle it. The rest saw my recip saw
>> >and the fireplace.
>>
>> If you want a four inch wide by 12 inch or so board, they're
>> perfect. Especially for small boxes.
>
>Sure, boxes that smell like vinegar. ;-)
With a tight enough fit, you can use them to store vinegar.
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pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?
I have my firewood on International pallets. They are Fiberglass and
will hold a good load. I want to say close to 36x48. I bought a set
for just the firewood - doesn't rot and holds the wood dry.
The wood pallets are stacked edgewise in the far corner of the property
near the
dumpster.
I have 2x several and some acres. I use pallets that are oak
and strong as movable storage places. I'll take my 4x8 pallet covered with
OSB to gather down limbs and cuttings. Nicer load than with forks or
a small bucket. I can haul a long limb to an area to be cut.
Martin
On 2/12/2018 11:04 AM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
> "Leon"Â wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> On 2/11/2018 11:24 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>
>>> I recently toured the factory of Community Play Things. Their
>>> products are found in schools, day cares, hospitals, and other
>>> institutional places where children and babies can be found. While
>>> there I found out that they use a wood for their outdoor products
>>> that is pickled.
>>
>>> Though my memory of the details could be off, as I recall the wood
>>> itself is from Austria and the preservation is done in Norway... This
>>> not a finish but rather an impregnating process (I believe done under
>>> a vacuum like pressure treated wood). When I smelled the wood it had
>>> the scent of pickles/vinegar.
>>
>> > For pallet wood it might be cost effective compared to heat treated
>> > wood... perhaps this is what you have.
>>
>>
>> I used to receive and ship on pallets, hundreds per week. I never saw
>> a treated pallet as most were not wanted back by the shipper, GM. Only
>> a very few were made out of a decent wood and those were so riddled
>> with nails it was more trouble than it was worth to try and salvage
>> for other uses.
>
> Regarding this tread, I was thinking more along the lines of the
> requirements for pallets used in international shipments to be treated
> in some way to prevent invasive pests. The reference to the smell
> suggested to me it could be a product of this pickling process.
>
> The efficacy of reusing pallets or pallet wood is certainly a valid
> issue... I've only recycled them into kindling or used them on the floor
> of my lumber shed as any other use would be too great of a time
> waster... especially with the access I've had to rough cut over the
> years. Now that I have an Alaskan chainsaw mill even more opportunities
> present themselves. For example, while removing beaver killed trees from
> a rail trail last fall I picked up 8 cherry logs. I milled four of them
> in my back yard over the past couple weekends... My lumber shed is
> overflowing and I am looking into ways to store and dry more wood... I
> guarantee you none of it will be pallet wood! LOL
>
On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 17:07:21 -0800, pyotr filipivich
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Electric Comet <[email protected]> on Mon, 12 Feb 2018
>14:10:06 -0800 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>>On Sun, 11 Feb 2018 17:14:51 -0800
>>pyotr filipivich <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, that is my quandary. I have a stack of pallets, and
>>> some rather nice (for some values of nice) boards in some of them.
>>
>>smell helps but the grain and density is a big help too
>>
>>some are treated with pesticidals
>>some are toxic and some are not
>>
>>mostly see oak and fir but have seen maple
>>no doubt they source locally suitable wood too but i have not seen
>>other than those
>
> I have some mahogany boards salvaged off a shipping crate.
My father had a bunch of black walnut and mahogany he salvaged out of
WWII military equipment (a long time go ;-).
-MIKE- <[email protected]> on Sun, 11 Feb 2018 21:49:31 -0600
typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>On 2/11/18 9:15 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>> -MIKE- <[email protected]> on Sun, 11 Feb 2018 19:24:38 -0600
>> typed in rec.woodworking the following:
>>> On 2/11/18 7:14 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
>>>> Yes, that is my quandary. I have a stack of pallets, and some
>>>> rather nice (for some values of nice) boards in some of them.
>>>> Hardwood, I think "oak" - but I do not know. One thing I do know,
>>>> when I saw them loose, the wood gives off a pungent smell, similar
>>>> to that of strong vinegar. (I hope it is the wood, and not the saw
>>>> blade.)
>>> There are at least half a dozen woods I can identify by their smell when
>>> being cut.
>>> Oak, walnut, bubinga, cedar (duh!), hickory, purpleheart, white pine,
>>> probably more if I think about it.
>>
>> Yeah, I can tell pine from "not pine"
>>
>> But which one smells like vinegar?
>>
>
>Probably the ones that held the crate of vinegar that sprang a leak. :-D
Hmmm, that's a possibility. These are from a grocery store.
OTOH, the last batch were from a hardware store.
tschus
pyotr
PS speaking of vinegar, I learned a few years ago, of a disaster for
my great grandfather, and the probable Environmental Catastrophe
involved as well.
Seems he had a 3000 gallon tank full of apple cider/vinegar
rupture. Total loss, and it flooded the creek too. No mention in
the article about any fish kills though.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?
"Amanda" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>OMG! All the hand wringing, nervous Nellie, negative Nancy
>posts -- over used pallets? Are you kidding me right now?
>The smell is probably your vinegar douche oozing from your
>overly sensitive mangina, Ladyboy. ROTFL
>The whining and negativity in here has totally popped
>my happy bubble. :(
> This is how you do it, boys.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccLQgIs4NM4
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F5RO8ls7_k
>love ya
>mean it
>- Amanda
You are a riot Amanda! Keep hanging around! LOL
"Leon" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2/11/2018 11:24 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>> I recently toured the factory of Community Play Things. Their products
>> are found in schools, day cares, hospitals, and other institutional
>> places where children and babies can be found. While there I found out
>> that they use a wood for their outdoor products that is pickled.
>
>> Though my memory of the details could be off, as I recall the wood itself
>> is from Austria and the preservation is done in Norway... This not a
>> finish but rather an impregnating process (I believe done under a vacuum
>> like pressure treated wood). When I smelled the wood it had the scent of
>> pickles/vinegar.
>
> > For pallet wood it might be cost effective compared to heat treated
> > wood... perhaps this is what you have.
>
>
> I used to receive and ship on pallets, hundreds per week. I never saw a
> treated pallet as most were not wanted back by the shipper, GM. Only a
> very few were made out of a decent wood and those were so riddled with
> nails it was more trouble than it was worth to try and salvage for other
> uses.
Regarding this tread, I was thinking more along the lines of the
requirements for pallets used in international shipments to be treated in
some way to prevent invasive pests. The reference to the smell suggested to
me it could be a product of this pickling process.
The efficacy of reusing pallets or pallet wood is certainly a valid issue...
I've only recycled them into kindling or used them on the floor of my lumber
shed as any other use would be too great of a time waster... especially with
the access I've had to rough cut over the years. Now that I have an Alaskan
chainsaw mill even more opportunities present themselves. For example, while
removing beaver killed trees from a rail trail last fall I picked up 8
cherry logs. I milled four of them in my back yard over the past couple
weekends... My lumber shed is overflowing and I am looking into ways to
store and dry more wood... I guarantee you none of it will be pallet wood!
LOL