I am looking for suggestions with regards to getting my equipment down a
straight flight of stairs into my new basement. I will try to get some
muscle gathered up for the event but am looking for any input that could
make it go easier. I will be moving in a bandsaw that weighs about 375lbs,
a Unisaw that weighs about 400lbs, shaper 550lbs and jointer planer combo
that is also about 550lbs.
Thanks in advance,
Blair
>I am looking for suggestions with regards to getting my equipment down a
>straight flight of stairs into my new basement. I will try to get some
>muscle gathered up for the event but am looking for any input that could
>make it go easier. I will be moving in a bandsaw that weighs about 375lbs,
>a Unisaw that weighs about 400lbs, shaper 550lbs and jointer planer combo
>that is also about 550lbs.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Blair
>
Start by being thankful that you are not fighting gravity!! Then slide the
machines either on a sled as described earlier or on 2x10s. Use a good rope,
(1/2 " nylon comes to mind) tie the machines off well. (Re read the Boy Scout
handbook?) You should not have anyone underneath the load when you slide it in
place.
You can control the slide using a mountain climbing technique called belaying,
(similar to rappelling except you lower someone else instead of yourself). Wrap
the rope around a stationary smooth round object a few times. The friction will
slow the load.
I have installed several machines (South Bend and Oliver lathes, a 14" bandsaw,
a 6" jointer, several workbenches from a school sale, and most recently a cast
iron boiler/furnace) in my basement by myself using this method. In my case I
ran a couple of turns around a trailer hitch ball served as a belay point for
most of them. Once in the bsement a hand truck or flat dolly becomes valuable.
On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 19:12:50 -0400, "Blair" <[email protected]> wrote:
>I am looking for suggestions with regards to getting my equipment down a
>straight flight of stairs into my new basement. I will try to get some
>muscle gathered up for the event but am looking for any input that could
>make it go easier. I will be moving in a bandsaw that weighs about 375lbs,
>a Unisaw that weighs about 400lbs, shaper 550lbs and jointer planer combo
>that is also about 550lbs.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Blair
>
There is a special kind of handtruck designed to go down stairs with heavy
loads. It is hard to describe, but it has two rubber tractor-like belts,
one behind each wheel of the handtruck. When you run a standard handtruck
down stairs, as the wheels leave the end of a tread they drop down to the
next tread. With this thing, the tractor belts ride the nose of the tread.
I've seen 500 lb classified safes moved down stairs with this type of
truck, two guys. You should be able to rent one of these, maybe from a
U-haul place.
This being said, a friend and I just brought in my new Dewalt TS -- only
275 pounds versus your stuff. We used my handtruck that has pneumatic
tires that are larger than the standard hard rubber tires. The saw bounced
a bit at each stair, but not much.
BTW, as someone else said, I would also suggest checking the stairs for
their ability to carry the load. Of course, it should be able to, but who
put in the new stairs?
D.B. wrote:
> misused most of my life. You don't ever put someone in harms
> way unnecessarily.
Unless it's your in-laws...
--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
Confirmed post number: 17576 Approximate word count: 527280
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On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 14:18:29 -0400, "Morgans" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>My point was that with a load the size of what we are talking, with the
>weight on a sled, and the friction of the sled on the stairs, it probably
>coulde be handled by the guys on the stairs alone, and the guys on the rope
>are insurance. Judgement must prevail as the type and weight of the load
>increases.
>
I brought a DJ-20 in it's crate down my straight basement stairs two
years ago. No base, no motor. I violated the rules for which I thank
God nothing bad happened. That is, I used your plan. A rope looped
around the trailer hitch of a truck controlled by one guy, two guys
below. The crate slid on a pair of 2x4s. Two guys under
"controlling" the crate. Well, in letting the rope out, it did slip a
bit. Things happened far too quickly for the guys on the bottom to do
anything about it. Fortunately the crate slipped to the side and
stopped against the wall. What ultimately worked was straigthening
the crate out and the two guys alone easing it the rest of the way
(about 5 feet).
In hind sight I thing the rope should never have been part of this
plan if the guys were to be there at all. I don't think there's any
way for them to react and take up the load themselves if the rope
breaks, is fed too quickly, the rope guy above lets go, whatever.
Those guys are gonna be hurt when the crate comes down on them (in
this case ~400lbs) If a rope with or without block and tackle is to
be used it should be used alone.
BTW, I was one of the two guys below.
They would be highly motivated to not let the machine crash
:)
CW wrote:
> Good except use a block and tackle. With a four to one reduction, the load
> can be easily handled. Do this from above. DO NOT put people below a moving
> load.
> "Morgans" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > >
> >
> > Make a plywood sled, with a lip on it to keep the machine from sliding
> off.
> > Put a couple of heavy ropes on it to control it from the top. Set the
> > machine on it lying down at the top of the stairs, put a couple guys below
> > it on the stairs, a couple on the ropes, and start them sliding. Slowly!
> >
> > Another choice is a GOOD handtruck.
> > --
> > Jim in NC
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In article <[email protected]>, "Blair" <[email protected]> wrote:
>I am looking for suggestions with regards to getting my equipment down a
>straight flight of stairs into my new basement. I will try to get some
>muscle gathered up for the event but am looking for any input that could
>make it go easier. I will be moving in a bandsaw that weighs about 375lbs,
>a Unisaw that weighs about 400lbs, shaper 550lbs and jointer planer combo
>that is also about 550lbs.
>
This is how I moved a Jet XActa saw into my basement:
1. Built a plywood ramp with 2x2 strips as "guardrails" at the sides, and
nailed it to the basement stairs (using double-headed nails for easy removal).
2. Built a cart of 2x6 lumber, approximately the same size as the side of the
saw cabinet, and attached a pulley to one end of the cart. Laid the saw down
on he cart (cabinet and top only, no extension tables, no fence, etc., net
weight about 400 lb according to Jet).
3. Braced a 4x4 across a door opening 6 feet from the basement stairs, lashed
one end of a rope to the 4x4, and passed the other end of the rope through the
pulley on the cart and back to my teenage son.
4. Walked down the ramp ahead of the saw to guide it, while my son payed out
the rope.
5. Stood the saw upright on the basement floor.
Calculation beforehand showed that, due to the slope of the stairs, about 60%
of the weight would rest on the stairs, and 40% would be loaded onto the rope.
The use of a movable pulley meant that my son had to hold back only half of
the load on the rope (20% of the total), with the other half being loaded onto
the 4x4. So the stairs took a load of some 410 pounts (60% of the saw, plus
100% of me), the doorposts about 40 each, and my son about 80. He said it was
pretty easy.
Note that the total load on the stairs was about the same as that of two large
adults at once. Not a big deal.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
Wow!
Talk about a response. I appreciate all the input from you guys. First I
will put some risers on my steps to increase their strength, then I will
also put in some vertical supports from basement floor to the steps
themselves, and as mentioned, I will support the landing at the top of the
stairs. After all that, I think I will use the sled and rope and pulley
method for the big trip down the steps. I am not sure about how to keep
them from tipping though, they are a bit top heavy and last time I removed
the top of the jointer planer combo machine I had to get it realligned by
the SCM mechanic, luckily it was back when I bought it and they didn't
charge me for the service call, now it's about three years old and these
guys charge about $100.00 per hour, Ouch.
Thanks agin for the input, it has been and will be helpfull. The big event
will happen on or around the 27th of this month, I will take some pictures
and post them on the binaries pics ww group.
Hey Mr. Munster, I hope you will be coming over to help!
Blair
On 06 Sep 2003 00:27:05 GMT, [email protected] (Tchswoods) wrote:
>>I am looking for suggestions with regards to getting my equipment down a
>>straight flight of stairs into my new basement. I will try to get some
>>muscle gathered up for the event but am looking for any input that could
>>make it go easier. I will be moving in a bandsaw that weighs about 375lbs,
>>a Unisaw that weighs about 400lbs, shaper 550lbs and jointer planer combo
>>that is also about 550lbs.
>>
>>Thanks in advance,
>>
>>Blair
>>
>Start by being thankful that you are not fighting gravity!! Then slide the
>machines either on a sled as described earlier or on 2x10s. Use a good rope,
>(1/2 " nylon comes to mind) tie the machines off well. (Re read the Boy Scout
>handbook?) You should not have anyone underneath the load when you slide it in
>place.
>
>You can control the slide using a mountain climbing technique called belaying,
>(similar to rappelling except you lower someone else instead of yourself). Wrap
>the rope around a stationary smooth round object a few times. The friction will
>slow the load.
>
>I have installed several machines (South Bend and Oliver lathes, a 14" bandsaw,
>a 6" jointer, several workbenches from a school sale, and most recently a cast
>iron boiler/furnace) in my basement by myself using this method. In my case I
>ran a couple of turns around a trailer hitch ball served as a belay point for
>most of them. Once in the bsement a hand truck or flat dolly becomes valuable.
Have you given any thought to how to remove them from the basement if
need be?
I would be more worried about to get the machines back up the stairs.... :)
"Igor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 19:12:50 -0400, "Blair" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >I am looking for suggestions with regards to getting my equipment down a
> >straight flight of stairs into my new basement. I will try to get some
> >muscle gathered up for the event but am looking for any input that could
> >make it go easier. I will be moving in a bandsaw that weighs about
375lbs,
> >a Unisaw that weighs about 400lbs, shaper 550lbs and jointer planer combo
> >that is also about 550lbs.
> >
> >Thanks in advance,
> >
> >Blair
> >
> There is a special kind of handtruck designed to go down stairs with heavy
> loads. It is hard to describe, but it has two rubber tractor-like belts,
> one behind each wheel of the handtruck. When you run a standard handtruck
> down stairs, as the wheels leave the end of a tread they drop down to the
> next tread. With this thing, the tractor belts ride the nose of the
tread.
> I've seen 500 lb classified safes moved down stairs with this type of
> truck, two guys. You should be able to rent one of these, maybe from a
> U-haul place.
>
> This being said, a friend and I just brought in my new Dewalt TS -- only
> 275 pounds versus your stuff. We used my handtruck that has pneumatic
> tires that are larger than the standard hard rubber tires. The saw
bounced
> a bit at each stair, but not much.
>
> BTW, as someone else said, I would also suggest checking the stairs for
> their ability to carry the load. Of course, it should be able to, but who
> put in the new stairs?
Doug Miller wrote:
> 4. Walked down the ramp ahead of the saw to guide it, while my son payed
> out the rope.
Wow. "Oops, sorry Dad, there was this cute girl from the neighborhood
walking by outside and I got distracted. Are you OK? Dad? Dad?"
:)
--
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Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
Confirmed post number: 17575 Approximate word count: 527250
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On Fri, 05 Sep 2003 21:26:55 -0400, Roy Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
>Igor <[email protected]> wrote:
>> There is a special kind of handtruck designed to go down stairs with heavy
>> loads. It is hard to describe, but it has two rubber tractor-like belts,
>> one behind each wheel of the handtruck.
>
>He's talking about:
>
>http://www.pbrhandtrucks.com/WescoStandardAppliance.jpg
Exactly. Thanks.
On Fri, 05 Sep 2003 21:26:55 -0400, Roy Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
>Igor <[email protected]> wrote:
>> There is a special kind of handtruck designed to go down stairs with heavy
>> loads. It is hard to describe, but it has two rubber tractor-like belts,
>> one behind each wheel of the handtruck.
>
>He's talking about:
>
>http://www.pbrhandtrucks.com/WescoStandardAppliance.jpg
Thanks for the URL. This is a great selection, and worth every penny.
Before you go putting this stuff down the stairs, make sure that your stairs
are built to handle that kind of load. A failure could ruin your whole
day. If your stairs have the vertical backboard supporting each stair you
will probably be ok. If it is open, I'd do a few calculations before I
tried any of these, especially the heavy ones.
I don't have my manual handy, or I'd remember that your allowable stress
would be halved due to impact loading, and that your worst case moment
would be if you managed to drop the piece onto the stair from some height.
If you assume 550 pounds placed in the center of a 3' wide stair without a
center stringer or vertical backboards, then you will just exceed the
allowable bending strength of a 2x12. If the stairs are 1" thick, then you
manage to go over by a factor of 4. If you dropped the load even from a
small height, then you will not have to worry about getting the machinery to
the basement. You'll even have a woodworking project.
The sled idea sounds better because it will redistribute the load over
several stairs. My question is what you will use to hold everything back.
550 # has a lot of potential energy, and as it goes kinetic it will require
a serious beam to tie off the tackle to. Again, you could have another
woodworking project.
While you are at it, very seriously consider the loading of the joists you
are dragging this stuff over to get to the stairs. I'm assuming that you
don't have the luxury of going across concrete until you get to the stairs.
You could find some serious deflection at those weights. Gathering
everything on the wood floor at the top of the staircase would not be a good
idea.
Reduce the size of the equipment as much as possible. Take things down in
as small a size as possible, with the equipment laying down on its side.
Tumbing band saws don't look so good. You may have to make yourself a slide
to put on top of the stairs, down which a sled carrying the equipment should
be placed. Make the slide of 2xwhatevers placed side by side, or a few
sheets of thick plywood with some 2x's to support them, with lots of support
from the stairs. Putting a little sandpaper under the sled might slow it
down a bit. Go slowly. A few inches per second is fast. A foot per second
is out of control. Use a good block and tackle, with several shives to get
a very high leverage. Figure that you can control 50# easily, so you will
need 5 shives on each end. This is not the project to demonstrate how
strong you are. Save that for the beer cans after the whole thing is done.
Get a few friends, and have one or two in charge of nothing but watching and
making sure things are going right.
One of the easier methods is to convince your SWMBO that her kitchen would
do better in the basement, and that your woodshop would look better on the
upper floor, after you reinforce the beams. This particular argument is
fraught with danger also. There are many sharp objects that would have to
be transferred in that case. Some might slip.
Michael
"Blair" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I am looking for suggestions with regards to getting my equipment down a
> straight flight of stairs into my new basement. I will try to get some
> muscle gathered up for the event but am looking for any input that could
> make it go easier. I will be moving in a bandsaw that weighs about
375lbs,
> a Unisaw that weighs about 400lbs, shaper 550lbs and jointer planer combo
> that is also about 550lbs.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Blair
>
>
True and putting someone on the downside of the load is not good judgement.
"Morgans" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> Really, if done slowly and with good judgment about the machine being
secure
> on the sled, there is little danger/risk. If the load gets so heavy that
> there is doubt, it is time to be disassembling something.
> --
> Jim in NC
>
>
Good except use a block and tackle. With a four to one reduction, the load
can be easily handled. Do this from above. DO NOT put people below a moving
load.
"Morgans" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >
>
> Make a plywood sled, with a lip on it to keep the machine from sliding
off.
> Put a couple of heavy ropes on it to control it from the top. Set the
> machine on it lying down at the top of the stairs, put a couple guys below
> it on the stairs, a couple on the ropes, and start them sliding. Slowly!
>
> Another choice is a GOOD handtruck.
> --
> Jim in NC
>
>
On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 12:20:55 -0400, Silvan
<[email protected]> wrote:
>D.B. wrote:
>
>> misused most of my life. You don't ever put someone in harms
>> way unnecessarily.
>
>Unless it's your in-laws...
I liked my in-laws, God rest their souls.
In article <[email protected]>,
"Blair" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I am looking for suggestions with regards to getting my equipment down a
> straight flight of stairs into my new basement. I will try to get some
> muscle gathered up for the event but am looking for any input that could
> make it go easier. I will be moving in a bandsaw that weighs about 375lbs,
> a Unisaw that weighs about 400lbs, shaper 550lbs and jointer planer combo
> that is also about 550lbs.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Blair
>
>
First step, figure out if you can take the various machines into smaller
pieces.
When I moved my 6" jointer into the basement, the sheetmetal base (with
the motor installed) went as one piece, the fence assembly went as
another, and the main table assembly went as a third (this was the only
piece I needed help carrying).
My 12" bandsaw went in two pieces (stand w/ motor, and the saw itself).
The drill press went in several pieces (base/column, table, head).
If you're going down a flight of basement stairs, I think this is the
most logical thing you can do. Let's say you and a burly friend weigh
400 lbs together. Add 550 lbs of machine, and you've got half a ton of
live load. Are you even sure your basement stairs can support that much?
Igor <[email protected]> wrote:
> There is a special kind of handtruck designed to go down stairs with heavy
> loads. It is hard to describe, but it has two rubber tractor-like belts,
> one behind each wheel of the handtruck.
He's talking about:
http://www.pbrhandtrucks.com/WescoStandardAppliance.jpg
A pipe frame and chain fall comes to mind.
--
Mike G.
Heirloom Woods
www.heirloom-woods.net
"Blair" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I am looking for suggestions with regards to getting my equipment down a
> straight flight of stairs into my new basement. I will try to get some
> muscle gathered up for the event but am looking for any input that could
> make it go easier. I will be moving in a bandsaw that weighs about
375lbs,
> a Unisaw that weighs about 400lbs, shaper 550lbs and jointer planer combo
> that is also about 550lbs.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Blair
>
>
Maybe contruction of a heated out building (garage) would be a better
place to put them. Wouldn't have to lower them down any steps
then......
On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 23:59:18 -0400, "Blair" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Wow!
>
>Talk about a response. I appreciate all the input from you guys. First I
>will put some risers on my steps to increase their strength, then I will
>also put in some vertical supports from basement floor to the steps
>themselves, and as mentioned, I will support the landing at the top of the
>stairs. After all that, I think I will use the sled and rope and pulley
>method for the big trip down the steps. I am not sure about how to keep
>them from tipping though, they are a bit top heavy and last time I removed
>the top of the jointer planer combo machine I had to get it realligned by
>the SCM mechanic, luckily it was back when I bought it and they didn't
>charge me for the service call, now it's about three years old and these
>guys charge about $100.00 per hour, Ouch.
>
>Thanks agin for the input, it has been and will be helpfull. The big event
>will happen on or around the 27th of this month, I will take some pictures
>and post them on the binaries pics ww group.
>
>Hey Mr. Munster, I hope you will be coming over to help!
>
>Blair
>
"D.B." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> They would be highly motivated to not let the machine crash
> :)
>
> CW wrote:
> > Good except use a block and tackle. With a four to one reduction, the
load
> > can be easily handled. Do this from above. DO NOT put people below a
moving
> > load.
'Zactly!!! After all, I want something there to cushion the fall of the saw
if it gets away from you!
Really, if done slowly and with good judgment about the machine being secure
on the sled, there is little danger/risk. If the load gets so heavy that
there is doubt, it is time to be disassembling something.
--
Jim in NC
"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:pKa6b.370035$Ho3.55233@sccrnsc03...
> True and putting someone on the downside of the load is not good
judgement.
If you didn't put it on a sled, how would you do it?
--
Jim in NC
> My response was tongue in cheek.
>
> I've worked around stuff that could easily kill you if
> misused most of my life. You don't ever put someone in harms
> way unnecessarily.
>
> Nearly all accidents are a chain of events, break one link
> in the chain and the accident doesn't happen. Not putting
> bodys where they can get crushed if a load gets away is one
> way to break that particular chain.
>
> Rico
Seems I am out voted on this one.
All the suggestions sound temporary. I'd put something in permanent to be
able to bring up all those large projects ya built with this machinery.
"Blair" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I am looking for suggestions with regards to getting my equipment down a
> straight flight of stairs into my new basement. I will try to get some
> muscle gathered up for the event but am looking for any input that could
> make it go easier. I will be moving in a bandsaw that weighs about
375lbs,
> a Unisaw that weighs about 400lbs, shaper 550lbs and jointer planer combo
> that is also about 550lbs.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Blair
>
>
"DT" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> All the suggestions sound temporary. I'd put something in permanent to be
> able to bring up all those large projects ya built with this machinery.
Few things you can make with wood will be as heavy as a honkin big ole cast
iron piece of equipment. Some people never make anything larger than a
coffee table.
--
Jim in NC
"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:wld6b.273343$cF.85204@rwcrnsc53...
> I never said anything about the sled.
I know, I was just asking.
As a matter of fact, I agreed with
> your method all except for putting people on the downside of the load,
NEVER
> DO THAT. I spent a number of years rigging, hoisting and hauling loads
> weighing in the tons under the worst possible conditions. At no time was I
> or anyone on my crew ever injusred dispite loads slipping, cables
snapping
> ect. The reason was that I never allowed anyone in a position where they
> would be in the way if something slipped. You never plan an accident, they
> just happen.
My point was that with a load the size of what we are talking, with the
weight on a sled, and the friction of the sled on the stairs, it probably
coulde be handled by the guys on the stairs alone, and the guys on the rope
are insurance. Judgement must prevail as the type and weight of the load
increases.
I have already conceeded. I'm a loser! :-)
--
Jim in NC
4 guys could CARRY the kind of loads we are talking about.
"Blair" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Wow!
>
> Talk about a response. I appreciate all the input from you guys. First I
> will put some risers on my steps to increase their strength, then I will
> also put in some vertical supports from basement floor to the steps
> themselves, and as mentioned, I will support the landing at the top of the
> stairs. After all that, I think I will use the sled and rope and pulley
> method for the big trip down the steps. I am not sure about how to keep
> them from tipping though, they are a bit top heavy and last time I removed
> the top of the jointer planer combo machine I had to get it realligned by
> the SCM mechanic, luckily it was back when I bought it and they didn't
> charge me for the service call, now it's about three years old and these
> guys charge about $100.00 per hour, Ouch.
>
> Thanks agin for the input, it has been and will be helpfull. The big
event
> will happen on or around the 27th of this month, I will take some pictures
> and post them on the binaries pics ww group.
>
> Hey Mr. Munster, I hope you will be coming over to help!
>
> Blair
Lay them down on their sides or back, or whatever will make them have the
lowest center of gravity. It wouldn't hurt to tie them to the sled, since
you are not going to have anyone below them to guide them <g>
--
Jim in NC
Yes it can be done. All of which is in my basement.
PM 72 TS
PM S27 shaper
PM 12 " jointer
PM 160 planer
Dewalt series 35 RAS (Original Super HD)
Mini Max BS.
In pieces mostly by myself.
A good hand truck and a bit of Muscle will do it.
Take as much apart as you can and do it one at a time.
"Igor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 19:12:50 -0400, "Blair" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >I am looking for suggestions with regards to getting my equipment down a
> >straight flight of stairs into my new basement. I will try to get some
> >muscle gathered up for the event but am looking for any input that could
> >make it go easier. I will be moving in a bandsaw that weighs about
375lbs,
> >a Unisaw that weighs about 400lbs, shaper 550lbs and jointer planer combo
> >that is also about 550lbs.
> >
> >Thanks in advance,
> >
> >Blair
> >
> There is a special kind of handtruck designed to go down stairs with heavy
> loads. It is hard to describe, but it has two rubber tractor-like belts,
> one behind each wheel of the handtruck. When you run a standard handtruck
> down stairs, as the wheels leave the end of a tread they drop down to the
> next tread. With this thing, the tractor belts ride the nose of the
tread.
> I've seen 500 lb classified safes moved down stairs with this type of
> truck, two guys. You should be able to rent one of these, maybe from a
> U-haul place.
>
> This being said, a friend and I just brought in my new Dewalt TS -- only
> 275 pounds versus your stuff. We used my handtruck that has pneumatic
> tires that are larger than the standard hard rubber tires. The saw
bounced
> a bit at each stair, but not much.
>
> BTW, as someone else said, I would also suggest checking the stairs for
> their ability to carry the load. Of course, it should be able to, but who
> put in the new stairs?
I never said anything about the sled. As a matter of fact, I agreed with
your method all except for putting people on the downside of the load, NEVER
DO THAT. I spent a number of years rigging, hoisting and hauling loads
weighing in the tons under the worst possible conditions. At no time was I
or anyone on my crew ever injusred dispite loads slipping, cables snapping
ect. The reason was that I never allowed anyone in a position where they
would be in the way if something slipped. You never plan an accident, they
just happen.
"Morgans" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:pKa6b.370035$Ho3.55233@sccrnsc03...
> > True and putting someone on the downside of the load is not good
> judgement.
>
> If you didn't put it on a sled, how would you do it?
> --
> Jim in NC
>
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