"Mike in Mystic" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Nate,
>
> Wonderful job! I've been practicing hand-cut through dovetails for the
> last month or so - maybe cut about 15 practice corners so far - and yours
> look awesome. The choice of wood was great and the inlay came out very
> nicely.
>
> Thanks for sharing,
>
> Mike
Thanks, Mike :-)
Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
...
> >Aren't scribe lines a symbol of the hand cut nature of the dovetails?
>
> No, that's an excuse for poor craftsmanship when someone
> says that.
Hi Larry,
Are you joking here or serious? I, too, thought that it was
appropriate to leave the scribes visible as a mark that the piece was
handmade. The lines are there intentionally -- otherwise I would have
scribed them lighter or sanded them out.
Hmm, well I gotta make two more for a couple of nieces so maybe I'll
try a different approach on the next one.
Cheers,
Nate
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:56:08 -0600, "Alan Bierbaum"
<[email protected]> calmly ranted:
>No it is not sloppy workmanship. There are many examples of well crafted
>pieces with the scribe lines present. The general rule is either leave all
>of them or remove (plane off) all of them. Check point number 3 (first
>product photo) in the link below. This is work from a well known and
>respected craftsman.
>
>http://www.chbecksvoort.com/tbeckdiff.html
Tacky. Frank Klausz, whom I respect more, uses pencil
and removes all marks prior to finishing. He was taught
Old-World style.
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Nice to see that you admitted to opinion, not fact. There are two schools
of thought (or more). I also like Frank's work; however leaving scribe marks
on hand cut dovetails is an accepted method by many fine craftsmen.
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"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 09:56:08 -0600, "Alan Bierbaum"
> <[email protected]> calmly ranted:
>
> >No it is not sloppy workmanship. There are many examples of well crafted
> >pieces with the scribe lines present. The general rule is either leave
all
> >of them or remove (plane off) all of them. Check point number 3 (first
> >product photo) in the link below. This is work from a well known and
> >respected craftsman.
> >
> >http://www.chbecksvoort.com/tbeckdiff.html
>
> Tacky. Frank Klausz, whom I respect more, uses pencil
> and removes all marks prior to finishing. He was taught
> Old-World style.
>
>
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>
No it is not sloppy workmanship. There are many examples of well crafted
pieces with the scribe lines present. The general rule is either leave all
of them or remove (plane off) all of them. Check point number 3 (first
product photo) in the link below. This is work from a well known and
respected craftsman.
http://www.chbecksvoort.com/tbeckdiff.html
--
Alan Bierbaum
Web Site: http://www.calanb.com
Current project: http://home.comcast.net/~cabierbaum/
"Nate Perkins" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
> ...
> > >Aren't scribe lines a symbol of the hand cut nature of the dovetails?
> >
> > No, that's an excuse for poor craftsmanship when someone
> > says that.
>
> Hi Larry,
>
> Are you joking here or serious? I, too, thought that it was
> appropriate to leave the scribes visible as a mark that the piece was
> handmade. The lines are there intentionally -- otherwise I would have
> scribed them lighter or sanded them out.
>
> Hmm, well I gotta make two more for a couple of nieces so maybe I'll
> try a different approach on the next one.
>
> Cheers,
> Nate
Nate,
Wonderful job! I've been practicing hand-cut through dovetails for the
last month or so - maybe cut about 15 practice corners so far - and yours
look awesome. The choice of wood was great and the inlay came out very
nicely.
Thanks for sharing,
Mike
"Nate Perkins" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> http://home.earthlink.net/~nateperkins1/Woodworking/projects/dollcradle.htm
>
> This one was a lot of fun to make.
>
> Cheers,
> Nate
On 21 Sep 2004 07:30:14 -0700, [email protected] (Nate Perkins)
calmly ranted:
>Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
>...
>> >Aren't scribe lines a symbol of the hand cut nature of the dovetails?
>>
>> No, that's an excuse for poor craftsmanship when someone
>> says that.
>
>Hi Larry,
>
>Are you joking here or serious? I, too, thought that it was
>appropriate to leave the scribes visible as a mark that the piece was
>handmade. The lines are there intentionally -- otherwise I would have
>scribed them lighter or sanded them out.
I feel that the marks detract from an otherwise gorgeous piece.
I feel that any self-respecting craftsman would have removed marks
like that, generally with his plane when he trued up the dovies. My
take is that it's kinda tacky, but it's not too late to plane, scrape,
or sand them out. Slight variations in the dovetail width or angles
usually indicate a Real Dovie(tm) vs. a machined dovie. ;)
I believe the original use of scribe marks to define handcut
dovetails was either 1) an excuse by a lazy woodworker who
didn't want to take the time to clean up after himself or 2)
an attempt by unscrupulous salespeople to sell newer goods as
antiques to make more money for themselves. Neither is good
in my eyes.
>Hmm, well I gotta make two more for a couple of nieces so maybe I'll
>try a different approach on the next one.
I would hope so. You wouldn't intentionally leave crossgrain
sandpaper marks, scratches or planer marks, would you?
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On 20 Sep 2004 11:27:29 -0700, [email protected] (Larry Bud)
calmly ranted:
>> One tip: Next time, perfection can be had by scribing the
>> baseline for the dovies with a pencil. It's erasable so
>> it doesn't show in the final project, inside or out.
>
>Aren't scribe lines a symbol of the hand cut nature of the dovetails?
No, that's an excuse for poor craftsmanship when someone
says that.
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On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 00:47:05 GMT, "Mike in Mystic"
<[email protected]> calmly ranted:
>Nate,
>
>Wonderful job! I've been practicing hand-cut through dovetails for the
>last month or so - maybe cut about 15 practice corners so far - and yours
>look awesome. The choice of wood was great and the inlay came out very
>nicely.
>
>Thanks for sharing,
>
>Mike
>
>
>"Nate Perkins" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~nateperkins1/Woodworking/projects/dollcradle.htm
>>
>> This one was a lot of fun to make.
Nate, absolutely gorgeous. Well done!
One tip: Next time, perfection can be had by scribing the
baseline for the dovies with a pencil. It's erasable so
it doesn't show in the final project, inside or out.
- Metaphors Be With You -
http://diversify.com Web Application Programming
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 11:41:24 -0600, "Alan Bierbaum"
<[email protected]> calmly ranted:
>Nice to see that you admitted to opinion, not fact. There are two schools
Jewelcome.
>of thought (or more). I also like Frank's work; however leaving scribe marks
>on hand cut dovetails is an accepted method by many fine craftsmen.
Cites?
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