I saw the book mentioned in the subject line mentioned on a recent
episode of Roy Underhill's Woodright's Shop. Following up on it, I
noticed that Christopher Schwarz has written an updated version
(including up to date terminology, cut lists, SketchUp drawings, etc.)
which is being sold for $34. BTW, it was written as a fiction rather
than non-fiction book.
As the book is over 150 years old, I thought I'd be able to locate a
copy of the original online somewhere--I didn't have any luck locating
it though. Anyone seen it around?
Bill
On Feb 13, 5:09=A0pm, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I saw the book mentioned in the subject line mentioned on a recent
> episode of Roy Underhill's Woodright's Shop. =A0Following up on it, I
> noticed that Christopher Schwarz has written an updated version
> (including up to date terminology, cut lists, SketchUp drawings, etc.)
> which is being sold for $34. =A0BTW, it was written as a fiction rather
> than non-fiction book.
>
> As the book is over 150 years old, I thought I'd be able to locate a
> copy of the original online somewhere--I didn't have any luck locating
> it though. =A0Anyone seen it around?
No, Bill, sorry for both of us. I saw the WWS episode online, and
immediately started combing. Found some references to books with the
same title, but they're how-to manuals.
I think the odds are fairly remote as you'd have to figure the guys
involved in putting out a new edition, DVD, and all, wouldn't want to
do all of that without making some money out of the deal. It's gotta
be really rare.
If you find it, let me know, and I'll do likewise.
R
On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 17:09:04 -0500, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>I saw the book mentioned in the subject line mentioned on a recent
>episode of Roy Underhill's Woodright's Shop. Following up on it, I
>noticed that Christopher Schwarz has written an updated version
>(including up to date terminology, cut lists, SketchUp drawings, etc.)
>which is being sold for $34. BTW, it was written as a fiction rather
>than non-fiction book.
RE: the updated version, here's a partial writeup. Note the first 8
words:
"Original copies of the book are extremely rare and Christopher
Schwarz (editor of Popular Woodworking and Woodworking Magazine) and I
decided to reprint the book with a lot of added detail. We've
reprinted "The Joiner and Cabinet Maker," unabridged and unaltered. I
have added footnotes on the original text to try to put the book into
historical context and explain a little about a joiner's life in 1839.
Chris has built the three projects in the book and puts them into a
modern context with complete construction drawings and cutting lists.
Chris also discusses the hand-tool methods that have arisen since this
book was originally published."
Sounds like a great book.
http://www.toolsforworkingwood.com/indextool.mvc?prodid=AQ-1135.XX
>As the book is over 150 years old, I thought I'd be able to locate a
>copy of the original online somewhere--I didn't have any luck locating
>it though. Anyone seen it around?
Newp. But it says that the original is intact inside the new version.
(see above)
--
Remember, in an emergency, dial 1911.
On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 21:29:12 -0500, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>Larry Jaques wrote:
>
>> "Original copies of the book are extremely rare and Christopher
>> Schwarz (editor of Popular Woodworking and Woodworking Magazine) and I
>> decided to reprint the book with a lot of added detail. We've
>> reprinted "The Joiner and Cabinet Maker," unabridged and unaltered. I
>> have added footnotes on the original text to try to put the book into
>> historical context and explain a little about a joiner's life in 1839.
>> Chris has built the three projects in the book and puts them into a
>> modern context with complete construction drawings and cutting lists.
>> Chris also discusses the hand-tool methods that have arisen since this
>> book was originally published."
>>
>> Sounds like a great book.
>> http://www.toolsforworkingwood.com/indextool.mvc?prodid=AQ-1135.XX
>
>Larry,
>
>I ordered Lew's book by Bingham, "Boat Joinery and Cabinetmaking"
>yesterday, along with a face shield ($14 version):
>http://www.amazon.com/MSA-Safety-Works-817893-Adjustable/dp/B00009363F/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1297649335&sr=8-1
The Free shipping from Amazon helps, doesn't it?
>I'm going to hold off on the $350 model with a fan that you suggested
>for the time being as well as the "deep-sea" model that was proposed.
Hah! Wuss. <g>
>I'll add "The Joiner and the Cabinet Maker" to my, "watch list".
>
>BTW, if you want to really learn how to slow down your work, then you
>have to read Krenov's "A Cabinet Maker's Notebook" (just finished that
>one). It will have you almost talking to the wood (and I'm not
>exaggerating too much...). : ) BTW, That is not a review. I picked up
>"Cabinetmaking and Millwork" from the library yesterday. I always have
>some book going, usually a couple, even if I only read a few pages some
>days. It doesn't sound like much, but even over a month or two it adds
>up pretty fast. Temperatures are improving. I'm looking forward to
>getting back to "work"! : )
I loved the Krenov books (all at my library) even though I have never
gotten -quite- that intimate with it. I'm not ashamed to say that I
fondle wood. It's meant to be touched and my favorite finish,
Waterlox, is a hand-rubbed finish, so it works out well.
--
Experience is a good teacher, but she send in terrific bills.
-- Minna Thomas Antrim
On 2011-02-13 21:29:12 -0500, Bill <[email protected]> said:
> BTW, if you want to really learn how to slow down your work, then you
> have to read Krenov's "A Cabinet Maker's Notebook" (just finished that
> one). It will have you almost talking to the wood (and I'm not
> exaggerating too much...). : ) BTW, That is not a review.
My review (as a book designer): Lots of good information in this book,
but it's very difficult to read. The design and typography is poor. But
it's a gem, compared to "The Fine Art of Cabinetmaking." Photo
reproduction is wildly varied is both -- some are clear and detailed,
but there are too many unidentifiiable black blobs.
On Feb 13, 4:09=A0pm, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
This probably isn't it but it sounds like it contains the original
work
http://www.lostartpress.com/product/b3301887-95d9-4e9d-bced-37c9ef4ccb0e.as=
px
http://villagecarpenter.blogspot.com/2009/11/joiner-and-cabinet-maker.html
http://blog.lostartpress.com/2009/08/28/Coming+This+Fall+The+Joiner+And+Cab=
inet+Maker.aspx
I also searched all around the Net, including Amazon, ABE and Alibris- No
go.
BUT one of my volunteer things is Friends of the Library in Tucson. who
have books listed for sale on line. Will check next time I am down there.
Warning, since there are no other copies listed for sale on line, our group
will list it for 99.00. Believe it or not we sell a fair number of rare
book for that price.
Another thought- since it is a book out of Merry Old England, you might
want to search On line book store in England.
Anne
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> RicodJour wrote:
>> On Feb 13, 5:09 pm, Bill<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I saw the book mentioned in the subject line mentioned on a recent
willshak <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Bill wrote the following:
>> I saw the book mentioned in the subject line mentioned on a recent
>> episode of Roy Underhill's Woodright's Shop. Following up on it, I
>> noticed that Christopher Schwarz has written an updated version
>> (including up to date terminology, cut lists, SketchUp drawings,
>> etc.) which is being sold for $34. BTW, it was written as a fiction
>> rather than non-fiction book.
>>
>> As the book is over 150 years old, I thought I'd be able to locate a
>> copy of the original online somewhere--I didn't have any luck
>> locating it though. Anyone seen it around?
>>
>> Bill
>
> Would this be the book as listed in the US Library of Congress?
> The print date says 1883 though.
> http://www.loc.gov/fedsearch/metasearch/?cclquery=joiner+and+cabinet+ma
> ker&search_button=GO#query=%28joiner%20and%20cabinet%20maker%29&filter=
> pz:id=lcweb|ammem|catalog|ppoc|thomas or a short cut:
> http://preview.tinyurl.com/5v7evq6
Did Google scan it yet?
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
Han wrote the following:
> willshak <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>
>> Bill wrote the following:
>>
>>> I saw the book mentioned in the subject line mentioned on a recent
>>> episode of Roy Underhill's Woodright's Shop. Following up on it, I
>>> noticed that Christopher Schwarz has written an updated version
>>> (including up to date terminology, cut lists, SketchUp drawings,
>>> etc.) which is being sold for $34. BTW, it was written as a fiction
>>> rather than non-fiction book.
>>>
>>> As the book is over 150 years old, I thought I'd be able to locate a
>>> copy of the original online somewhere--I didn't have any luck
>>> locating it though. Anyone seen it around?
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>> Would this be the book as listed in the US Library of Congress?
>> The print date says 1883 though.
>> http://www.loc.gov/fedsearch/metasearch/?cclquery=joiner+and+cabinet+ma
>> ker&search_button=GO#query=%28joiner%20and%20cabinet%20maker%29&filter=
>> pz:id=lcweb|ammem|catalog|ppoc|thomas or a short cut:
>> http://preview.tinyurl.com/5v7evq6
>>
>
> Did Google scan it yet?
I didn't Google it, I went directly to the LOC site.
.
--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @
Bill wrote the following:
> I saw the book mentioned in the subject line mentioned on a recent
> episode of Roy Underhill's Woodright's Shop. Following up on it, I
> noticed that Christopher Schwarz has written an updated version
> (including up to date terminology, cut lists, SketchUp drawings, etc.)
> which is being sold for $34. BTW, it was written as a fiction rather
> than non-fiction book.
>
> As the book is over 150 years old, I thought I'd be able to locate a
> copy of the original online somewhere--I didn't have any luck locating
> it though. Anyone seen it around?
>
> Bill
Would this be the book as listed in the US Library of Congress?
The print date says 1883 though.
http://www.loc.gov/fedsearch/metasearch/?cclquery=joiner+and+cabinet+maker&search_button=GO#query=%28joiner%20and%20cabinet%20maker%29&filter=pz:id=lcweb|ammem|catalog|ppoc|thomas
or a short cut:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/5v7evq6
--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @
RicodJour wrote:
> On Feb 13, 5:09 pm, Bill<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> I saw the book mentioned in the subject line mentioned on a recent
>> episode of Roy Underhill's Woodright's Shop. Following up on it, I
>> noticed that Christopher Schwarz has written an updated version
>> (including up to date terminology, cut lists, SketchUp drawings, etc.)
>> which is being sold for $34. BTW, it was written as a fiction rather
>> than non-fiction book.
>>
>> As the book is over 150 years old, I thought I'd be able to locate a
>> copy of the original online somewhere--I didn't have any luck locating
>> it though. Anyone seen it around?
>
>
> No, Bill, sorry for both of us. I saw the WWS episode online, and
> immediately started combing. Found some references to books with the
> same title, but they're how-to manuals.
>
> I think the odds are fairly remote as you'd have to figure the guys
> involved in putting out a new edition, DVD, and all, wouldn't want to
> do all of that without making some money out of the deal. It's gotta
> be really rare.
The book, yes. A pdf copy needn't be so rare. If I locate a copy, I'll
let you know. I surely won't feel like I'm stealing from the
publisher--at least not the 2011 one.
Bill
>
> If you find it, let me know, and I'll do likewise.
>
> R
Larry Jaques wrote:
But it says that the original is intact inside the new version.
> (see above)
>
> --
The original book was about 100 pages, the new one is about 370.
They must have made a "Schaum's Outline". I just wanted to peek
at the text in the orginal cause I heard the heroine is really hot (just
kidding). Seriously though, I'm glad they (appear to) have left the
original text unedited.
Bill
Larry Jaques wrote:
> "Original copies of the book are extremely rare and Christopher
> Schwarz (editor of Popular Woodworking and Woodworking Magazine) and I
> decided to reprint the book with a lot of added detail. We've
> reprinted "The Joiner and Cabinet Maker," unabridged and unaltered. I
> have added footnotes on the original text to try to put the book into
> historical context and explain a little about a joiner's life in 1839.
> Chris has built the three projects in the book and puts them into a
> modern context with complete construction drawings and cutting lists.
> Chris also discusses the hand-tool methods that have arisen since this
> book was originally published."
>
> Sounds like a great book.
> http://www.toolsforworkingwood.com/indextool.mvc?prodid=AQ-1135.XX
Larry,
I ordered Lew's book by Bingham, "Boat Joinery and Cabinetmaking"
yesterday, along with a face shield ($14 version):
http://www.amazon.com/MSA-Safety-Works-817893-Adjustable/dp/B00009363F/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1297649335&sr=8-1
I'm going to hold off on the $350 model with a fan that you suggested
for the time being as well as the "deep-sea" model that was proposed.
I'll add "The Joiner and the Cabinet Maker" to my, "watch list".
BTW, if you want to really learn how to slow down your work, then you
have to read Krenov's "A Cabinet Maker's Notebook" (just finished that
one). It will have you almost talking to the wood (and I'm not
exaggerating too much...). : ) BTW, That is not a review. I picked up
"Cabinetmaking and Millwork" from the library yesterday. I always have
some book going, usually a couple, even if I only read a few pages some
days. It doesn't sound like much, but even over a month or two it adds
up pretty fast. Temperatures are improving. I'm looking forward to
getting back to "work"! : )
Bill
Steve wrote:
> On 2011-02-13 21:29:12 -0500, Bill <[email protected]> said:
>
>> BTW, if you want to really learn how to slow down your work, then you
>> have to read Krenov's "A Cabinet Maker's Notebook" (just finished that
>> one). It will have you almost talking to the wood (and I'm not
>> exaggerating too much...). : ) BTW, That is not a review.
>
> My review (as a book designer): Lots of good information in this book,
> but it's very difficult to read.
The main point of the book seems (to me) to really open up ones eyes in
an artistic way to the details... and lest you think he might tell you
just how to go about doing that--it's exactly the opposite. To
paraphrase one sentence in the book: "You've either got it or you don't
(the ability)". The book does, however, invite the student to try. If
you don't just chew on the cover, it may change the way you look at a
piece of wood. Given a chance, it will surely slow you down (while you
reflect)! ; ) Krenov had customers willing to pay for quality. Therein
lies the rub for those trying to make a living as such a wood worker
(today).
The design and typography is poor. But
> it's a gem, compared to "The Fine Art of Cabinetmaking." Photo
> reproduction is wildly varied is both -- some are clear and detailed,
> but there are too many unidentifiiable black blobs.
>
RonB wrote:
> On Feb 13, 4:09 pm, Bill<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> This probably isn't it but it sounds like it contains the original
> work
>
> http://www.lostartpress.com/product/b3301887-95d9-4e9d-bced-37c9ef4ccb0e.aspx
>
> http://villagecarpenter.blogspot.com/2009/11/joiner-and-cabinet-maker.html
>
> http://blog.lostartpress.com/2009/08/28/Coming+This+Fall+The+Joiner+And+Cabinet+Maker.aspx
Yes. You found the new 370 page version which includes the 150 year old
100 page original. I guess since they don't know who wrote the
original, there is no reason to go around searching for anyone to pay
royalties to, huh?
Bill