Every time I see this I think how cool it is. No big deal but I just
keep forgetting about it and when I see it done...
Using pocket screws for panel glue-ups.
My buddies cabinet shop rarely has to glue up panels. They mostly buy
their doors and use ply otherwise. When they have need for the odd job
it is always a hubub. They tried a few different things like this
vertical rack made of aluminum slats, etc.
Now, if one side of the panel will be hidden, like a table top, they
just run some pocket screws on each side of the glue joint, they clamp
the boards lightly down to a work table, run the pocket screws in from
each side and they can start using the panel right away.
No biggie, just kinda cool.
On 3/23/2010 4:05 PM, Leon wrote:
> "SonomaProducts.com"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:8e2bab54-d2ef-4ebe-b819-73c6de7e60fc@l40g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
> No problemo.
>
> I just made another discovery. Not only is a claw hammer good for
> driving nails, but if you turn it around, you can pull them out too!
>
> I guess I am too easily impressed. ;^)
>
> Having 6 nailers with tails, what's a claw hammer? ;~)
It's that thing I use to whack my thumb with on occasion in order to
keep the thumb watchful and the eye in tune.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)
I guess I just fast forwarded to fast.
On Mar 23, 10:24=A0am, "CW" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:59118d42-4f53-48c2-989d-8aec30ad3256@d30g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> I had always seen them used for joining face frames and boxes. and
> stuff like that. Using them across the joint of a panel was new to
> me.
>
> My proof points that it is somewhat uncommon are:
>
> =A0 =A0- All of the accessories Kreg sells are vice grips for holding dow=
n
> face frame type joints, etc.
> =A0 =A0- The Kreg little hand held drill guides have two or three paired
> holes, great for face frame sticks. But no big wide jig with a few far
> spaced holes that would be good for a panel.
> =A0 =A0- I just fast forwarded through the "Joinery 101" video on the Kre=
g
> site and the closest thing they show to a panel joint is a stave type
> glue up with beveled edges (near end of video). They never show a true
> flat panel.
>
> Yes they do. Twice.
"SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:7dc0faa5-80dd-44d3-abe3-ea5bef8b8cb7@h35g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> Every time I see this I think how cool it is. No big deal but I just
> keep forgetting about it and when I see it done...
>
> Using pocket screws for panel glue-ups.
>
> My buddies cabinet shop rarely has to glue up panels. They mostly buy
> their doors and use ply otherwise. When they have need for the odd job
> it is always a hubub. They tried a few different things like this
> vertical rack made of aluminum slats, etc.
>
> Now, if one side of the panel will be hidden, like a table top, they
> just run some pocket screws on each side of the glue joint, they clamp
> the boards lightly down to a work table, run the pocket screws in from
> each side and they can start using the panel right away.
>
> No biggie, just kinda cool.
I am missing something here... ;~) Isn't that what pocket hose screws are
intended for in the first place? Was that a secret that I have known about
for the last 15 or so years?
I had always seen them used for joining face frames and boxes. and
stuff like that. Using them across the joint of a panel was new to
me.
My proof points that it is somewhat uncommon are:
- All of the accessories Kreg sells are vice grips for holding down
face frame type joints, etc.
- The Kreg little hand held drill guides have two or three paired
holes, great for face frame sticks. But no big wide jig with a few far
spaced holes that would be good for a panel.
- I just fast forwarded through the "Joinery 101" video on the Kreg
site and the closest thing they show to a panel joint is a stave type
glue up with beveled edges (near end of video). They never show a true
flat panel.
As I said, this is a throw away tip. If it's not useful or
insightful...
On Mar 23, 6:51=A0am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:7dc0faa5-80dd-44d3-abe3-ea5bef8b8cb7@h35g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Every time I see this I think how cool it is. No big deal but I just
> > keep forgetting about it and when I see it done...
>
> > Using pocket screws for panel glue-ups.
>
> > My buddies cabinet shop rarely has to glue up panels. They mostly buy
> > their doors and use ply otherwise. When they have need for the odd job
> > it is always a hubub. They tried a few different things like this
> > vertical rack made of aluminum slats, etc.
>
> > Now, if one side of the panel will be hidden, like a table top, they
> > just run some pocket screws on each side of the glue joint, they clamp
> > the boards lightly down to a work table, run the pocket screws in from
> > each side and they can start using the panel right away.
>
> > No biggie, just kinda cool.
>
> I am missing something here... ;~) =A0Isn't that what pocket hose screws =
are
> intended for in the first place? =A0Was that a secret that I have known a=
bout
> for the last 15 or so years?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
"SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:8e2bab54-d2ef-4ebe-b819-73c6de7e60fc@l40g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
No problemo.
I just made another discovery. Not only is a claw hammer good for
driving nails, but if you turn it around, you can pull them out too!
I guess I am too easily impressed. ;^)
Having 6 nailers with tails, what's a claw hammer? ;~)
No problemo.
I just made another discovery. Not only is a claw hammer good for
driving nails, but if you turn it around, you can pull them out too!
I guess I am too easily impressed. ;^)
On Mar 23, 12:00=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:59118d42-4f53-48c2-989d-8aec30ad3256@d30g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> I had always seen them used for joining face frames and boxes. and
> stuff like that. Using them across the joint of a panel was new to
> me.
>
> My proof points that it is somewhat uncommon are:
>
> =A0 =A0- All of the accessories Kreg sells are vice grips for holding dow=
n
> face frame type joints, etc.
> =A0 =A0- The Kreg little hand held drill guides have two or three paired
> holes, great for face frame sticks. But no big wide jig with a few far
> spaced holes that would be good for a panel.
> =A0 =A0- I just fast forwarded through the "Joinery 101" video on the Kre=
g
> site and the closest thing they show to a panel joint is a stave type
> glue up with beveled edges (near end of video). They never show a true
> flat panel.
>
> As I said, this is a throw away tip. If it's not useful or
> insightful...
>
> Please don't take my comment as disrespectful or a pie in the eye. =A0;~)
> Seriousely I think my very first joint, between a piece of walnut and
> mahogany was actually to form a small panel. =A0IMHO it is the panel join=
t is
> the best of all possible joints. =A0The first demo I saw years ago was th=
e
> union of 2 pieces of wood on their edges. =A0;~)
> Thanks for sharing, again.
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:8e2bab54-d2ef-4ebe-b819-73c6de7e60fc@l40g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
> No problemo.
>
> I just made another discovery. Not only is a claw hammer good for
> driving nails, but if you turn it around, you can pull them out too!
>
> I guess I am too easily impressed. ;^)
>
> Having 6 nailers with tails, what's a claw hammer? ;~)
That's the thing you use to correct the nailer errors.
John
"SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:7dc0faa5-80dd-44d3-abe3-ea5bef8b8cb7@h35g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> Every time I see this I think how cool it is. No big deal but I just
> keep forgetting about it and when I see it done...
>
> Using pocket screws for panel glue-ups.
>
> My buddies cabinet shop rarely has to glue up panels. They mostly buy
> their doors and use ply otherwise. When they have need for the odd job
> it is always a hubub. They tried a few different things like this
> vertical rack made of aluminum slats, etc.
>
> Now, if one side of the panel will be hidden, like a table top, they
> just run some pocket screws on each side of the glue joint, they clamp
> the boards lightly down to a work table, run the pocket screws in from
> each side and they can start using the panel right away.
>
> No biggie, just kinda cool.
And the best part, unlike with brads, you can remove them after the glue has
set up. ;~)
John
"SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:7dc0faa5-80dd-44d3-abe3-ea5bef8b8cb7@h35g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> Every time I see this I think how cool it is. No big deal but I just
> keep forgetting about it and when I see it done...
>
> Using pocket screws for panel glue-ups.
>
> My buddies cabinet shop rarely has to glue up panels. They mostly buy
> their doors and use ply otherwise. When they have need for the odd job
> it is always a hubub. They tried a few different things like this
> vertical rack made of aluminum slats, etc.
>
> Now, if one side of the panel will be hidden, like a table top, they
> just run some pocket screws on each side of the glue joint, they clamp
> the boards lightly down to a work table, run the pocket screws in from
> each side and they can start using the panel right away.
>
> No biggie, just kinda cool.
Purists might scoff, but I won't. :-) Cool tip, thanks for passing it on.
jc
"SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:59118d42-4f53-48c2-989d-8aec30ad3256@d30g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
I had always seen them used for joining face frames and boxes. and
stuff like that. Using them across the joint of a panel was new to
me.
My proof points that it is somewhat uncommon are:
- All of the accessories Kreg sells are vice grips for holding down
face frame type joints, etc.
- The Kreg little hand held drill guides have two or three paired
holes, great for face frame sticks. But no big wide jig with a few far
spaced holes that would be good for a panel.
- I just fast forwarded through the "Joinery 101" video on the Kreg
site and the closest thing they show to a panel joint is a stave type
glue up with beveled edges (near end of video). They never show a true
flat panel.
As I said, this is a throw away tip. If it's not useful or
insightful...
Please don't take my comment as disrespectful or a pie in the eye. ;~)
Seriousely I think my very first joint, between a piece of walnut and
mahogany was actually to form a small panel. IMHO it is the panel joint is
the best of all possible joints. The first demo I saw years ago was the
union of 2 pieces of wood on their edges. ;~)
Thanks for sharing, again.
On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 22:39:25 -0700 (PDT), the infamous
"SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>Every time I see this I think how cool it is. No big deal but I just
>keep forgetting about it and when I see it done...
>
>Using pocket screws for panel glue-ups.
>
>My buddies cabinet shop rarely has to glue up panels. They mostly buy
>their doors and use ply otherwise. When they have need for the odd job
>it is always a hubub. They tried a few different things like this
>vertical rack made of aluminum slats, etc.
>
>Now, if one side of the panel will be hidden, like a table top, they
>just run some pocket screws on each side of the glue joint, they clamp
Clarification: "on each side of the glue joint" on the _underside_ of
the table, right?
>the boards lightly down to a work table, run the pocket screws in from
>each side and they can start using the panel right away.
>
>No biggie, just kinda cool.
Yeah, cool.
--
If we attend continually and promptly to the little that we can do, we
shall ere long be surprised to find how little remains that we cannot do.
-- Samuel Butler
On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 22:39:25 -0700 (PDT), "SonomaProducts.com"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Every time I see this I think how cool it is. No big deal but I just
>keep forgetting about it and when I see it done...
>
>Using pocket screws for panel glue-ups.
>
>My buddies cabinet shop rarely has to glue up panels. They mostly buy
>their doors and use ply otherwise. When they have need for the odd job
>it is always a hubub. They tried a few different things like this
>vertical rack made of aluminum slats, etc.
>
>Now, if one side of the panel will be hidden, like a table top, they
>just run some pocket screws on each side of the glue joint, they clamp
>the boards lightly down to a work table, run the pocket screws in from
>each side and they can start using the panel right away.
>
>No biggie, just kinda cool.
I don't use them, but there was ONE time I would have liked to use
them. With table tops and cabinet doors you will see the oval
hole/plug, but with a fireplace mantle the ovals will never be seen
when the mantle is fastened to the wall.
Yeah on the underside but it might be an interesting detail on the top
side.
On Mar 23, 7:48=A0pm, Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 22:39:25 -0700 (PDT), the infamous
> "SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
> >Every time I see this I think how cool it is. No big deal but I just
> >keep forgetting about it and when I see it done...
>
> >Using pocket screws for panel glue-ups.
>
> >My buddies cabinet shop rarely has to glue up panels. They mostly buy
> >their doors and use ply otherwise. When they have need for the odd job
> >it is always a hubub. They tried a few different things like this
> >vertical rack made of aluminum slats, etc.
>
> >Now, if one side of the panel will be hidden, like a table top, they
> >just run some pocket screws on each side of the glue joint, they clamp
>
> Clarification: "on each side of the glue joint" on the _underside_ of
> the table, right?
>
> >the boards lightly down to a work table, run the pocket screws in from
> >each side and they can start using the panel right away.
>
> >No biggie, just kinda cool.
>
> Yeah, cool.
>
> --
> =A0 If we attend continually and promptly to the little that we can do, w=
e
> shall ere long be surprised to find how little remains that we cannot do.
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 -- Samuel Butler
On Mar 23, 10:51=A0pm, "SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Yeah on the underside but it might be an interesting detail on the top
> side.
WAIT....
Isn't that what those cool plugs are for? Making a contrasting
statement with the plugs?
Damnit....
I guess I never saw the video...
:^)
Robert
On 3/23/2010 11:08 AM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
> I had always seen them used for joining face frames and boxes. and
> stuff like that. Using them across the joint of a panel was new to
> me.
>
> My proof points that it is somewhat uncommon are:
>
> - All of the accessories Kreg sells are vice grips for holding down
> face frame type joints, etc.
> - The Kreg little hand held drill guides have two or three paired
> holes, great for face frame sticks. But no big wide jig with a few far
> spaced holes that would be good for a panel.
> - I just fast forwarded through the "Joinery 101" video on the Kreg
> site and the closest thing they show to a panel joint is a stave type
> glue up with beveled edges (near end of video). They never show a true
> flat panel.
>
> As I said, this is a throw away tip. If it's not useful or
> insightful...
It's a good tip - and to add a bit of illustration, may I present a
photo of my (45-minute design/construction time) main shop bench - built
from 2-1/2 2x12x144 and a 2x4x120? :)
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/Misc/Vise640x480.jpg
All done with my (then) brand-new Kreg Jig...
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 21:51:48 -0700 (PDT), the infamous
"SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>Yeah on the underside but it might be an interesting detail on the top
>side.
Yeah, fill it with clear resin and call it a "feature".
--
If we attend continually and promptly to the little that we can do, we
shall ere long be surprised to find how little remains that we cannot do.
-- Samuel Butler
"SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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I had always seen them used for joining face frames and boxes. and
stuff like that. Using them across the joint of a panel was new to
me.
My proof points that it is somewhat uncommon are:
- All of the accessories Kreg sells are vice grips for holding down
face frame type joints, etc.
- The Kreg little hand held drill guides have two or three paired
holes, great for face frame sticks. But no big wide jig with a few far
spaced holes that would be good for a panel.
- I just fast forwarded through the "Joinery 101" video on the Kreg
site and the closest thing they show to a panel joint is a stave type
glue up with beveled edges (near end of video). They never show a true
flat panel.
Yes they do. Twice.