JC

"J. Clarke"

10/09/2010 9:52 AM

"Cheap" paint

Did a price comparison on paint this week for some cabinets in the garage.

MagnaMax from the local real paint store 30 bucks a gallon.

Crap from Home Despot or Sears, 30 bucks a gallon.

Well, that decision was easy.


This topic has 45 replies

Rc

Robatoy

in reply to "J. Clarke" on 10/09/2010 9:52 AM

10/09/2010 7:59 AM

On Sep 10, 9:52=A0am, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.use...@cox.net> wrote:
> Did a price comparison on paint this week for some cabinets in the garage=
.
>
> MagnaMax from the local real paint store 30 bucks a gallon.
>
> Crap from Home Despot or Sears, 30 bucks a gallon.
>
> Well, that decision was easy.

Add a few bucks and go for Aura by Benjamin Moore. Goes further,
doesn't need primer, two coats and Bob's your uncle. An absolute treat
to work with. Maybe a bit of overkill for garage cabs.

The extra coverage almost makes up for the price=97too close to matter.

Rc

Robatoy

in reply to "J. Clarke" on 10/09/2010 9:52 AM

11/09/2010 6:04 PM

On Sep 11, 8:31=A0pm, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 11:01:27 -0400, "Morgans"
>
> <jsmor...@charterJUNK.net> wrote:
> >> Never again. If you want smooth paint, no oak.
>
> >Poplar rules!
>
> >Amen, brother!
>
> >I am now building a whole set for my kitchen to match the china cabinets=
,
> >out of......
>
> >Poplar!
>
> AKA American Whitewood

Tulipwood

Sc

Sonny

in reply to "J. Clarke" on 10/09/2010 9:52 AM

10/09/2010 6:01 PM

On Sep 10, 1:10=A0pm, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.use...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> Is the red barn paint non-blocking and non-chalking? =A0And how does it
> look on MDF?

I don't know the answer to either question. I've never read the Big
Lots cans, either, to know what kind of blend it is. Last summer my
friend considered recoating with the Big Lots barn paint, so I assume
it is, at least, decent for her shed's exterior.

Here's a view of her shed, pic taken about 3 or 4 yrs ago.... it had
been painted about 8 yrs prior: http://www.flickr.com/photos/43836144@N04/4=
978397594/

Sonny

Rc

Robatoy

in reply to "J. Clarke" on 10/09/2010 9:52 AM

11/09/2010 6:53 AM

On Sep 11, 9:29=A0am, "Morgans" <jsmor...@charterJUNK.net> wrote:

>
> Never again. =A0If you want smooth paint, no oak. =A0

Poplar rules!

c

clare@snyder.on.ca

in reply to "J. Clarke" on 10/09/2010 9:52 AM

11/09/2010 8:31 PM

On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 11:01:27 -0400, "Morgans"
<jsmorgan@charterJUNK.net> wrote:

>> Never again. If you want smooth paint, no oak.
>
>Poplar rules!
>
>Amen, brother!
>
>I am now building a whole set for my kitchen to match the china cabinets,
>out of......
>
>Poplar!
AKA American Whitewood

LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to "J. Clarke" on 10/09/2010 9:52 AM

10/09/2010 10:52 AM


"Sonny">

> Mis-mixed paint from any vender or paint from Big Lots, $5 a gallon.
------------------------
AKA: "Oops" paint.

Lew

Mt

"Max"

in reply to "J. Clarke" on 10/09/2010 9:52 AM

10/09/2010 9:22 PM

"Sonny" <cedarsonny@aol.com> wrote in message
news:2731f7c7-5f00-4098-af24-4ac0d1b99146@c32g2000vbq.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 10, 1:10 pm, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.use...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> Is the red barn paint non-blocking and non-chalking? And how does it
> look on MDF?

>I don't know the answer to either question. I've never read the Big
>Lots cans, either, to know what kind of blend it is. Last summer my
>friend considered recoating with the Big Lots barn paint, so I assume
>it is, at least, decent for her shed's exterior.

>Here's a view of her shed, pic taken about 3 or 4 yrs ago.... it had
>been painted about 8 yrs prior:
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/43836144@N04/4978397594/

>Sonny

And the original color was *white*? [:-)

Consumer Reports gives a high rating to Behr paints (Home Depot)

Max

Mt

"Max"

in reply to "J. Clarke" on 10/09/2010 9:52 AM

11/09/2010 7:32 AM

"J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet@cox.net> wrote in message
news:i6fr0i02leh@news3.newsguy.com...
> On 9/10/2010 11:22 PM, Max wrote:
>> "Sonny" <cedarsonny@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:2731f7c7-5f00-4098-af24-4ac0d1b99146@c32g2000vbq.googlegroups.com...
>> On Sep 10, 1:10 pm, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.use...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Is the red barn paint non-blocking and non-chalking? And how does it
>>> look on MDF?
>>
>>> I don't know the answer to either question. I've never read the Big
>>> Lots cans, either, to know what kind of blend it is. Last summer my
>>> friend considered recoating with the Big Lots barn paint, so I assume
>>> it is, at least, decent for her shed's exterior.
>>
>>> Here's a view of her shed, pic taken about 3 or 4 yrs ago.... it had
>>> been painted about 8 yrs prior:
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/43836144@N04/4978397594/
>>
>>> Sonny
>>
>> And the original color was *white*? [:-)
>>
>> Consumer Reports gives a high rating to Behr paints (Home Depot)
>
> How do they rate Imron?


LOL. I don't think they're into rating industrial paints.

Max

Mt

"Max"

in reply to "J. Clarke" on 10/09/2010 9:52 AM

11/09/2010 7:37 AM

"-MIKE-" <mike@mikedrumsDOT.com> wrote

>>> This was an important project, so I took all the advice I was given.
>>> http://www.mikedrums.com/bookcases.jpg
>>>
>>> I don't do a lot of painting, and i don't like it, but that stuff made
>>> me want to paint more. :-)

> I actually used a combination of stuff.
> Spray... never could get a consistent flow, due to cheap gear and
> inexperience.
> Brush... Penetrol paid off in spades in this department.
> And <gasp> roller for the shelves. It was the best way for them.

>
> -MIKE-

Those bookcases weren't sprayed?? Wow! Outstanding!

I want the recipe. :-)

Max

LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to "J. Clarke" on 10/09/2010 9:52 AM

11/09/2010 5:42 PM


<clare@snyder.on.ca> wrote:
>
>>Poplar!
> AKA American Whitewood

OK, what's that green stuff in Poplar?

Lew

Rc

Robatoy

in reply to "J. Clarke" on 10/09/2010 9:52 AM

11/09/2010 6:03 PM

On Sep 11, 8:42=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <sails.m...@verizon.net> wrote:
> <cl...@snyder.on.ca> wrote:
>
> >>Poplar!
> > AKA American Whitewood
>
> OK, what's that green stuff in Poplar?
>
> Lew

Patina

LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to "J. Clarke" on 10/09/2010 9:52 AM

11/09/2010 3:20 PM

On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 11:01:27 -0400, "Morgans"
<jsmorgan@charterJUNK.net> wrote:

>> Never again. If you want smooth paint, no oak.
>
>Poplar rules!
>
>Amen, brother!
>
>I am now building a whole set for my kitchen to match the china cabinets,
>out of......
>
>Poplar!

Do you sand it, shellac it, and sand the fuzzies off before painting?
The stuff has fur, I swear.

--
Happiness comes of the capacity to feel deeply, to enjoy
simply, to think freely, to risk life, to be needed.
-- Storm Jameson

Rc

Robatoy

in reply to "J. Clarke" on 10/09/2010 9:52 AM

11/09/2010 8:48 PM

On Sep 11, 9:53=A0pm, bon...@host122.r-bonomi.com (Robert Bonomi) wrote:
> In article <4c8c21e8$0$4752$c3e8...@news.astraweb.com>,
>
> Lew Hodgett <sails.m...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> ><cl...@snyder.on.ca> wrote:
>
> >>>Poplar!
> >> AKA American Whitewood
>
> >OK, what's that green stuff in Poplar?
>
> An experiment gone wrong. =A0Somebody grafted some output from the Treasu=
ry's
> Bureau of Printing on to a sapling, to attempt to disprove the "poplar
> adage" that 'money doesn't grrow on trees.' =A0Seems like the coloration
> 'took', but the patterns were distored beyond recognition.

Actually, the green patine is formed by a poplar tree growing next to
other vegetation, like the kind that can climb walls. It makes a
poplar green with ivy.

jj

jo4hn

in reply to "J. Clarke" on 10/09/2010 9:52 AM

11/09/2010 5:51 PM

clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 11:01:27 -0400, "Morgans"
> <jsmorgan@charterJUNK.net> wrote:
>
>>> Never again. If you want smooth paint, no oak.
>> Poplar rules!
>>
>> Amen, brother!
>>
>> I am now building a whole set for my kitchen to match the china cabinets,
>> out of......
>>
>> Poplar!
> AKA American Whitewood
Whitewood is usually SPF (spruce, pine, fir)

bR

bonomi@host122.r-bonomi.com (Robert Bonomi)

in reply to "J. Clarke" on 10/09/2010 9:52 AM

11/09/2010 8:53 PM

In article <4c8c21e8$0$4752$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>,
Lew Hodgett <sails.man1@verizon.net> wrote:
>
><clare@snyder.on.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>Poplar!
>> AKA American Whitewood
>
>OK, what's that green stuff in Poplar?

An experiment gone wrong. Somebody grafted some output from the Treasury's
Bureau of Printing on to a sapling, to attempt to disprove the "poplar
adage" that 'money doesn't grrow on trees.' Seems like the coloration
'took', but the patterns were distored beyond recognition.

MH

"Martin H. Eastburn"

in reply to "J. Clarke" on 10/09/2010 9:52 AM

12/09/2010 9:10 PM

Ok - serious here :-)

Green-gray color is heart wood of the "poplar" or Yellow poplar
and the scientific name helps us along - Liriodendran tulipifera
Trade name - Yellow Poplar
Family name Magnoliaceae

"Holy" Magnolia and "Tipping" Tulip tree, Batman.
Color in the blooms Flowing tree.
Tends to have colorant in the tree.

Martin

Martin H. Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
"Our Republic and the Press will Rise or Fall Together": Joseph Pulitzer
TSRA: Endowed; NRA LOH & Patron Member, Golden Eagle, Patriot's Medal.
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Originator & Charter Founder
IHMSA and NRA Metallic Silhouette maker & member. http://lufkinced.com/

On 9/11/2010 11:24 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 9/11/10 10:48 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>> On Sep 11, 9:53 pm, bon...@host122.r-bonomi.com (Robert Bonomi) wrote:
>>> In article<4c8c21e8$0$4752$c3e8...@news.astraweb.com>,
>>>
>>> Lew Hodgett<sails.m...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> <cl...@snyder.on.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Poplar!
>>>>> AKA American Whitewood
>>>
>>>> OK, what's that green stuff in Poplar?
>>>
>>> An experiment gone wrong. Somebody grafted some output from the Treasury's
>>> Bureau of Printing on to a sapling, to attempt to disprove the "poplar
>>> adage" that 'money doesn't grrow on trees.' Seems like the coloration
>>> 'took', but the patterns were distored beyond recognition.
>>
>> Actually, the green patine is formed by a poplar tree growing next to
>> other vegetation, like the kind that can climb walls. It makes a
>> poplar green with ivy.
>
> <groooooooooan> HORRIBLE!
>
>

bR

bonomi@host122.r-bonomi.com (Robert Bonomi)

in reply to "J. Clarke" on 10/09/2010 9:52 AM

11/09/2010 1:12 PM

In article <i6fr0i02leh@news3.newsguy.com>,
J. Clarke <jclarke.usenet@cox.net> wrote:
>On 9/10/2010 11:22 PM, Max wrote:
>> "Sonny" <cedarsonny@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:2731f7c7-5f00-4098-af24-4ac0d1b99146@c32g2000vbq.googlegroups.com...
>> On Sep 10, 1:10 pm, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.use...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Is the red barn paint non-blocking and non-chalking? And how does it
>>> look on MDF?
>>
>>> I don't know the answer to either question. I've never read the Big
>>> Lots cans, either, to know what kind of blend it is. Last summer my
>>> friend considered recoating with the Big Lots barn paint, so I assume
>>> it is, at least, decent for her shed's exterior.
>>
>>> Here's a view of her shed, pic taken about 3 or 4 yrs ago.... it had
>>> been painted about 8 yrs prior:
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/43836144@N04/4978397594/
>>
>>> Sonny
>>
>> And the original color was *white*? [:-)
>>
>> Consumer Reports gives a high rating to Behr paints (Home Depot)
>
>How do they rate Imron?

"Not Suitable" for inclusion in family publication, because it is
X-rated. as in "X-pensive!!"

bR

bonomi@host122.r-bonomi.com (Robert Bonomi)

in reply to "J. Clarke" on 10/09/2010 9:52 AM

11/09/2010 12:22 PM

In article <ivLio.9826$Pn1.5728@newsfe14.iad>,
Morgans <jsmorgan@charterJUNK.net> wrote:
>
> I made the mistake of my life, with paint, but just once.
>
>My wife wanted .....
>
>Live and learn. They say you learn most from your mistakes. If that is
>true, I figure I must be a genius, by now!

Situations like that are pretty much unavoidable. Even when you _know_
it's 'wrong', it is, many times. =necessary= for 'domestic tranquility'
to go ahead and make a 'missus-stake', anyway. <wry grin>

Mj

"Morgans"

in reply to "J. Clarke" on 10/09/2010 9:52 AM

11/09/2010 11:01 AM

> Never again. If you want smooth paint, no oak.

Poplar rules!

Amen, brother!

I am now building a whole set for my kitchen to match the china cabinets,
out of......

Poplar!
--
Jim in NC

aw

"anne watson"

in reply to "J. Clarke" on 10/09/2010 9:52 AM

11/09/2010 11:36 AM

Lately I have benn making some picture frames that I wanted to paint and
then antique. Home Depot has small containers- maybe 2 ounces- of latex
that are designed for folks to try out a color before spending big bucks for
all the paint necessary to do a whole room. Worked fine on my frame. Lots
of choices, I went with a satin shade of red. Enough for two coats.


"Robert Bonomi" <bonomi@host122.r-bonomi.com> wrote in message
news:QpudnVZ8sqs4WxbRnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@posted.nuvoxcommunications...
> In article <i6fr0i02leh@news3.newsguy.com>,
> J. Clarke <jclarke.usenet@cox.net> wrote:
>>On 9/10/2010 11:22 PM, Max wrote:
>>> "Sonny" <cedarsonny@aol.com> wrote in message
>>> news:2731f7c7-5f00-4098-af24-4ac0d1b99146@c32g2000vbq.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Sep 10, 1:10 pm, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.use...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Is the red barn paint non-blocking and non-chalking? And how >

Rc

Robatoy

in reply to "J. Clarke" on 10/09/2010 9:52 AM

12/09/2010 8:05 AM

On Sep 12, 12:24=A0am, -MIKE- <m...@mikedrumsDOT.com> wrote:
> On 9/11/10 10:48 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 11, 9:53 pm, bon...@host122.r-bonomi.com (Robert Bonomi) wrote:
> >> In article<4c8c21e8$0$4752$c3e8...@news.astraweb.com>,
>
> >> Lew Hodgett<sails.m...@verizon.net> =A0wrote:
>
> >>> <cl...@snyder.on.ca> =A0wrote:
>
> >>>>> Poplar!
> >>>> AKA American Whitewood
>
> >>> OK, what's that green stuff in Poplar?
>
> >> An experiment gone wrong. =A0Somebody grafted some output from the Tre=
asury's
> >> Bureau of Printing on to a sapling, to attempt to disprove the "poplar
> >> adage" that 'money doesn't grrow on trees.' =A0Seems like the colorati=
on
> >> 'took', but the patterns were distored beyond recognition.
>
> > Actually, the green patine is formed by a poplar tree growing next to
> > other vegetation, like the kind that can climb walls. It makes a
> > poplar green with ivy.
>
> <groooooooooan> =A0 HORRIBLE!
>
> --
>
> =A0 -MIKE-
>
> =A0 "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
> =A0 =A0 =A0--Elvin Jones =A0(1927-2004)
> =A0 --
> =A0http://mikedrums.com
> =A0 m...@mikedrumsDOT.com
> =A0 ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

*takes a bow*
Thank you, thank you. (blames Bonomi)

LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to "J. Clarke" on 10/09/2010 9:52 AM

10/09/2010 6:07 PM

On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:19:44 -0500, -MIKE- <mike@mikedrumsDOT.com>
wrote:

>On 9/10/10 9:59 AM, Robatoy wrote:
>> On Sep 10, 9:52 am, "J. Clarke"<jclarke.use...@cox.net> wrote:
>>> Did a price comparison on paint this week for some cabinets in the garage.
>>>
>>> MagnaMax from the local real paint store 30 bucks a gallon.
>>>
>>> Crap from Home Despot or Sears, 30 bucks a gallon.
>>>
>>> Well, that decision was easy.
>>
>> Add a few bucks and go for Aura by Benjamin Moore. Goes further,
>> doesn't need primer, two coats and Bob's your uncle. An absolute treat
>> to work with. Maybe a bit of overkill for garage cabs.
>>
>> The extra coverage almost makes up for the price—too close to matter.
>
>Last time I bought "good" paint from Sherwin Williams, the store manager
>suggested Penetrol Paint Conditioner. The stuff is amazing... I'll never
>paint (w/good or bad paint) without it again.

You like your paint to flow, do you? Yeah, good stuff.

--
Happiness comes of the capacity to feel deeply, to enjoy
simply, to think freely, to risk life, to be needed.
-- Storm Jameson

Ll

"Leon"

in reply to "J. Clarke" on 10/09/2010 9:52 AM

10/09/2010 6:31 PM


"Robatoy" <counterfitter@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0a7e4708-0f4f-44e7-8b46-86331c6413ea@m16g2000vbs.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 10, 9:52 am, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.use...@cox.net> wrote:
> Did a price comparison on paint this week for some cabinets in the garage.
>
> MagnaMax from the local real paint store 30 bucks a gallon.
>
> Crap from Home Despot or Sears, 30 bucks a gallon.
>
> Well, that decision was easy.

Add a few bucks and go for Aura by Benjamin Moore. Goes further,
doesn't need primer, two coats and Bob's your uncle. An absolute treat
to work with. Maybe a bit of overkill for garage cabs.

The extra coverage almost makes up for the price—too close to matter.


About 10 years ago I painted a kitchen and pantry including inside the
cabinets. One coat, One gallon, Pratt and Lambert, $40 per gallon. I
try not to scrimp when I buy the paint. The good stuff is easier to work
with and covers better for a longer period of time.

I have painted many complete homes interiors since when the customer
provides the paint. Booooooo....

Sc

Sonny

in reply to "J. Clarke" on 10/09/2010 9:52 AM

10/09/2010 10:35 AM

Garage cabinets!? Does the color have to match a particular garage
decor?

Mis-mixed paint from any vender or paint from Big Lots, $5 a gallon.
The red barn stain/paint from Big Lots, available at random times, was
put on a friend's 20' X 30' shed (exterior, cypress - 1" thick solid
boards) 13 yrs ago and still looks good today.

Sonny

Mm

-MIKE-

in reply to "J. Clarke" on 10/09/2010 9:52 AM

10/09/2010 12:19 PM

On 9/10/10 9:59 AM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Sep 10, 9:52 am, "J. Clarke"<jclarke.use...@cox.net> wrote:
>> Did a price comparison on paint this week for some cabinets in the garage.
>>
>> MagnaMax from the local real paint store 30 bucks a gallon.
>>
>> Crap from Home Despot or Sears, 30 bucks a gallon.
>>
>> Well, that decision was easy.
>
> Add a few bucks and go for Aura by Benjamin Moore. Goes further,
> doesn't need primer, two coats and Bob's your uncle. An absolute treat
> to work with. Maybe a bit of overkill for garage cabs.
>
> The extra coverage almost makes up for the price—too close to matter.

Last time I bought "good" paint from Sherwin Williams, the store manager
suggested Penetrol Paint Conditioner. The stuff is amazing... I'll never
paint (w/good or bad paint) without it again.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
mike@mikedrumsDOT.com
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to -MIKE- on 10/09/2010 12:19 PM

12/09/2010 8:42 AM

On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 20:16:39 -0500, -MIKE- <mike@mikedrumsDOT.com>
wrote:

>On 9/11/10 8:04 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>> On Sep 11, 8:31 pm, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>>> On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 11:01:27 -0400, "Morgans"
>>>
>>> <jsmor...@charterJUNK.net> wrote:
>>>>> Never again. If you want smooth paint, no oak.
>>>
>>>> Poplar rules!
>>>
>>>> Amen, brother!
>>>
>>>> I am now building a whole set for my kitchen to match the china cabinets,
>>>> out of......
>>>
>>>> Poplar!
>>>
>>> AKA American Whitewood
>>
>> Tulipwood
>
>When I started seeing advertisements for Yellawood, I thought they were
>talking about Poplar. :-)

They could have been talking about poplar, Southern yellow pine, or
yellowheart, depending on ad copy/source/intelligence. YMMV

Googlinit, I found what is probably Southern yellow pine which has
been treated. http://www.greatsouthernwood.com/

--
Not merely an absence of noise, Real Silence begins
when a reasonable being withdraws from the noise in
order to find peace and order in his inner sanctuary.
-- Peter Minard

Mm

-MIKE-

in reply to -MIKE- on 10/09/2010 12:19 PM

12/09/2010 11:48 AM

On 9/12/10 10:42 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 20:16:39 -0500, -MIKE-<mike@mikedrumsDOT.com>
> wrote:
http://www.greatsouthernwood.com/
>

yes, that's it.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
mike@mikedrumsDOT.com
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

JC

"J. Clarke"

in reply to "J. Clarke" on 10/09/2010 9:52 AM

10/09/2010 2:10 PM

On 9/10/2010 1:35 PM, Sonny wrote:
> Garage cabinets!? Does the color have to match a particular garage
> decor?

Has to be a specific color. Also non-blocking and non-chalking.

> Mis-mixed paint from any vender or paint from Big Lots, $5 a gallon.
> The red barn stain/paint from Big Lots, available at random times, was
> put on a friend's 20' X 30' shed (exterior, cypress - 1" thick solid
> boards) 13 yrs ago and still looks good today.

Is the red barn paint non-blocking and non-chalking? And how does it
look on MDF?

JC

"J. Clarke"

in reply to "J. Clarke" on 10/09/2010 9:52 AM

10/09/2010 8:39 PM

On 9/10/2010 7:31 PM, Leon wrote:
> "Robatoy"<counterfitter@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:0a7e4708-0f4f-44e7-8b46-86331c6413ea@m16g2000vbs.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 10, 9:52 am, "J. Clarke"<jclarke.use...@cox.net> wrote:
>> Did a price comparison on paint this week for some cabinets in the garage.
>>
>> MagnaMax from the local real paint store 30 bucks a gallon.
>>
>> Crap from Home Despot or Sears, 30 bucks a gallon.
>>
>> Well, that decision was easy.
>
> Add a few bucks and go for Aura by Benjamin Moore. Goes further,
> doesn't need primer, two coats and Bob's your uncle. An absolute treat
> to work with. Maybe a bit of overkill for garage cabs.
>
> The extra coverage almost makes up for the price—too close to matter.
>
>
> About 10 years ago I painted a kitchen and pantry including inside the
> cabinets. One coat, One gallon, Pratt and Lambert, $40 per gallon. I
> try not to scrimp when I buy the paint. The good stuff is easier to work
> with and covers better for a longer period of time.
>
> I have painted many complete homes interiors since when the customer
> provides the paint. Booooooo....

Why go with latex when you can have precat for less?

JC

"J. Clarke"

in reply to "J. Clarke" on 10/09/2010 9:52 AM

10/09/2010 10:04 PM

On 9/10/2010 9:01 PM, Sonny wrote:
> On Sep 10, 1:10 pm, "J. Clarke"<jclarke.use...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>> Is the red barn paint non-blocking and non-chalking? And how does it
>> look on MDF?
>
> I don't know the answer to either question. I've never read the Big
> Lots cans, either, to know what kind of blend it is. Last summer my
> friend considered recoating with the Big Lots barn paint, so I assume
> it is, at least, decent for her shed's exterior.
>
> Here's a view of her shed, pic taken about 3 or 4 yrs ago.... it had
> been painted about 8 yrs prior: http://www.flickr.com/photos/43836144@N04/4978397594/

Not the look I have in mind at all.

Mm

-MIKE-

in reply to "J. Clarke" on 10/09/2010 9:52 AM

10/09/2010 10:06 PM

On 9/10/10 8:07 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:19:44 -0500, -MIKE-<mike@mikedrumsDOT.com>
>>
>> Last time I bought "good" paint from Sherwin Williams, the store manager
>> suggested Penetrol Paint Conditioner. The stuff is amazing... I'll never
>> paint (w/good or bad paint) without it again.
>
> You like your paint to flow, do you? Yeah, good stuff.
>

This was an important project, so I took all the advice I was given.
http://www.mikedrums.com/bookcases.jpg

I don't do a lot of painting, and i don't like it, but that stuff made
me want to paint more. :-)



--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
mike@mikedrumsDOT.com
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

BB

Bill

in reply to "J. Clarke" on 10/09/2010 9:52 AM

10/09/2010 11:14 PM

J. Clarke wrote:
> On 9/10/2010 9:01 PM, Sonny wrote:
>> On Sep 10, 1:10 pm, "J. Clarke"<jclarke.use...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Is the red barn paint non-blocking and non-chalking? And how does it
>>> look on MDF?
>>
>> I don't know the answer to either question. I've never read the Big
>> Lots cans, either, to know what kind of blend it is. Last summer my
>> friend considered recoating with the Big Lots barn paint, so I assume
>> it is, at least, decent for her shed's exterior.
>>
>> Here's a view of her shed, pic taken about 3 or 4 yrs ago.... it had
>> been painted about 8 yrs prior:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/43836144@N04/4978397594/
>
> Not the look I have in mind at all.

You don't like ferns???

Mm

-MIKE-

in reply to "J. Clarke" on 10/09/2010 9:52 AM

10/09/2010 10:59 PM

On 9/10/10 10:29 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>> This was an important project, so I took all the advice I was given.
>> http://www.mikedrums.com/bookcases.jpg
>>
>> I don't do a lot of painting, and i don't like it, but that stuff made
>> me want to paint more. :-)
>
> Nice. What kind of roller did you use.<gd&r>
..................................................................^?^?^?

I actually used a combination of stuff.
Spray... never could get a consistent flow, due to cheap gear and
inexperience.
Brush... Penetrol paid off in spades in this department.
And <gasp> roller for the shelves. It was the best way for them.

>
> I used Floetrol (oops, it was this, not oil-based Penetrol I was
> thinking of) for repainting my louvered closet doors with a HF HVLP
> spray gun. I had to thin with water, Floetrol, and warm it to about
> 100F to get it to spray. Glidden acrylic enamel ain't made for
> sprayin'.<sigh> I'll use more when I brush the trim in the house
> before my family shows up for Christmas. It's the Good Stuff for
> waterborne paints.
>
> --
> Happiness comes of the capacity to feel deeply, to enjoy
> simply, to think freely, to risk life, to be needed.
> -- Storm Jameson


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
mike@mikedrumsDOT.com
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

JC

"J. Clarke"

in reply to "J. Clarke" on 10/09/2010 9:52 AM

11/09/2010 7:40 AM

On 9/10/2010 11:22 PM, Max wrote:
> "Sonny" <cedarsonny@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:2731f7c7-5f00-4098-af24-4ac0d1b99146@c32g2000vbq.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 10, 1:10 pm, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.use...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>> Is the red barn paint non-blocking and non-chalking? And how does it
>> look on MDF?
>
>> I don't know the answer to either question. I've never read the Big
>> Lots cans, either, to know what kind of blend it is. Last summer my
>> friend considered recoating with the Big Lots barn paint, so I assume
>> it is, at least, decent for her shed's exterior.
>
>> Here's a view of her shed, pic taken about 3 or 4 yrs ago.... it had
>> been painted about 8 yrs prior:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/43836144@N04/4978397594/
>
>> Sonny
>
> And the original color was *white*? [:-)
>
> Consumer Reports gives a high rating to Behr paints (Home Depot)

How do they rate Imron?

Mm

-MIKE-

in reply to "J. Clarke" on 10/09/2010 9:52 AM

11/09/2010 11:49 AM

On 9/11/10 8:37 AM, Max wrote:
> "-MIKE-" <mike@mikedrumsDOT.com> wrote
>>>> This was an important project, so I took all the advice I was given.
>>>> http://www.mikedrums.com/bookcases.jpg
>>>>
>>>> I don't do a lot of painting, and i don't like it, but that stuff made
>>>> me want to paint more. :-)
>
>> I actually used a combination of stuff.
>> Spray... never could get a consistent flow, due to cheap gear and
>> inexperience.
>> Brush... Penetrol paid off in spades in this department.
>> And <gasp> roller for the shelves. It was the best way for them.
>
>>
>> -MIKE-
>
> Those bookcases weren't sprayed?? Wow! Outstanding!
>
> I want the recipe. :-)
>
> Max
>

Some and parts... not all or entirely. If that makes any sense.

All, it's a far away picture. :-)


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
mike@mikedrumsDOT.com
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

Mm

-MIKE-

in reply to "J. Clarke" on 10/09/2010 9:52 AM

11/09/2010 11:50 AM

On 9/11/10 8:53 AM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Sep 11, 9:29 am, "Morgans"<jsmor...@charterJUNK.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Never again. If you want smooth paint, no oak.
>
> Poplar rules!

And beech.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
mike@mikedrumsDOT.com
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

JC

"J. Clarke"

in reply to "J. Clarke" on 10/09/2010 9:52 AM

11/09/2010 1:19 PM

On 9/11/2010 9:32 AM, Max wrote:
> "J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:i6fr0i02leh@news3.newsguy.com...
>> On 9/10/2010 11:22 PM, Max wrote:
>>> "Sonny" <cedarsonny@aol.com> wrote in message
>>> news:2731f7c7-5f00-4098-af24-4ac0d1b99146@c32g2000vbq.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> On Sep 10, 1:10 pm, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.use...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Is the red barn paint non-blocking and non-chalking? And how does it
>>>> look on MDF?
>>>
>>>> I don't know the answer to either question. I've never read the Big
>>>> Lots cans, either, to know what kind of blend it is. Last summer my
>>>> friend considered recoating with the Big Lots barn paint, so I assume
>>>> it is, at least, decent for her shed's exterior.
>>>
>>>> Here's a view of her shed, pic taken about 3 or 4 yrs ago.... it had
>>>> been painted about 8 yrs prior:
>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/43836144@N04/4978397594/
>>>
>>>> Sonny
>>>
>>> And the original color was *white*? [:-)
>>>
>>> Consumer Reports gives a high rating to Behr paints (Home Depot)
>>
>> How do they rate Imron?
>
>
> LOL. I don't think they're into rating industrial paints.

But I'm getting "industrial paint" approaching the performance of Imron
for a Behr price.

Mm

-MIKE-

in reply to "J. Clarke" on 10/09/2010 9:52 AM

11/09/2010 8:16 PM

On 9/11/10 8:04 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Sep 11, 8:31 pm, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>> On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 11:01:27 -0400, "Morgans"
>>
>> <jsmor...@charterJUNK.net> wrote:
>>>> Never again. If you want smooth paint, no oak.
>>
>>> Poplar rules!
>>
>>> Amen, brother!
>>
>>> I am now building a whole set for my kitchen to match the china cabinets,
>>> out of......
>>
>>> Poplar!
>>
>> AKA American Whitewood
>
> Tulipwood

When I started seeing advertisements for Yellawood, I thought they were
talking about Poplar. :-)


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
mike@mikedrumsDOT.com
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

Mm

-MIKE-

in reply to "J. Clarke" on 10/09/2010 9:52 AM

11/09/2010 11:24 PM

On 9/11/10 10:48 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Sep 11, 9:53 pm, bon...@host122.r-bonomi.com (Robert Bonomi) wrote:
>> In article<4c8c21e8$0$4752$c3e8...@news.astraweb.com>,
>>
>> Lew Hodgett<sails.m...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> <cl...@snyder.on.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Poplar!
>>>> AKA American Whitewood
>>
>>> OK, what's that green stuff in Poplar?
>>
>> An experiment gone wrong. Somebody grafted some output from the Treasury's
>> Bureau of Printing on to a sapling, to attempt to disprove the "poplar
>> adage" that 'money doesn't grrow on trees.' Seems like the coloration
>> 'took', but the patterns were distored beyond recognition.
>
> Actually, the green patine is formed by a poplar tree growing next to
> other vegetation, like the kind that can climb walls. It makes a
> poplar green with ivy.

<groooooooooan> HORRIBLE!


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
mike@mikedrumsDOT.com
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

LD

"Lobby Dosser"

in reply to "J. Clarke" on 10/09/2010 9:52 AM

12/09/2010 1:50 AM

"Robatoy" <counterfitter@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:516198f0-9d67-445d-b62e-8d4719e435f8@w4g2000vbh.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 11, 8:42 pm, "Lew Hodgett" <sails.m...@verizon.net> wrote:
> <cl...@snyder.on.ca> wrote:
>
> >>Poplar!
> > AKA American Whitewood
>
> OK, what's that green stuff in Poplar?
>
> Lew

Patina

-----------------------------------------
Snot.

Mj

"Morgans"

in reply to "J. Clarke" on 10/09/2010 9:52 AM

11/09/2010 9:29 AM


>>> Last time I bought "good" paint from Sherwin Williams, the store manager
>>> suggested Penetrol Paint Conditioner. The stuff is amazing... I'll
>>> never
>>> paint (w/good or bad paint) without it again.
>>
>> You like your paint to flow, do you? Yeah, good stuff.
>>
>
> This was an important project, so I took all the advice I was given.
> http://www.mikedrums.com/bookcases.jpg
>
> I don't do a lot of painting, and i don't like it, but that stuff made me
> want to paint more. :-)

I made the mistake of my life, with paint, but just once.

My wife wanted some large built in china cabinets made, so we talked about
what we wanted, and settled on red oak, lightly stained and clear coated. I
bought a good sized jag of oak, but then had some back issues and it sat for
a couple years until I started on them.

In the meantime, she decided that stained oak was dated, so she wanted them
to be painted. I told her that people don't paint oak; that was near to a
high crime. Never mind that, paint it would be.

I knew it was going to be tough to paint the oak, but that was my task, and
I would be up to the challenge.

I put on three cats of sanding sealer, with all of the required sanding,
then sprayed on some oil paint. Crrrraaap. That will never do; too much
grain pores showing through. Back to sanding, then with 4 or 5 coats of
sanding sealer, with the required sanding, then with a couple coats of
paint.

Still not even close. Now, I hit it with grain filler, sanding, then many
coats of sanding sealer, until it was slick as a baby's butt. More paint,
touch up with more filler here and there and sanding sealer, then more
paint.

I have to admit, they look glassy smooth, like a hand rubbed lacquer job,
but I sure had to work for it.

Never again. If you want smooth paint, no oak. I would have thrown the oak
in the dumpster, or burnt it in the fireplace, rather than building painted
cabinets out of it.

Live and learn. They say you learn most from your mistakes. If that is
true, I figure I must be a genius, by now!
--
Jim in NC

LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to "J. Clarke" on 10/09/2010 9:52 AM

10/09/2010 8:29 PM

On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 22:06:41 -0500, -MIKE- <mike@mikedrumsDOT.com>
wrote:

>On 9/10/10 8:07 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>> On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:19:44 -0500, -MIKE-<mike@mikedrumsDOT.com>
>>>
>>> Last time I bought "good" paint from Sherwin Williams, the store manager
>>> suggested Penetrol Paint Conditioner. The stuff is amazing... I'll never
>>> paint (w/good or bad paint) without it again.
>>
>> You like your paint to flow, do you? Yeah, good stuff.
>>
>
>This was an important project, so I took all the advice I was given.
>http://www.mikedrums.com/bookcases.jpg
>
>I don't do a lot of painting, and i don't like it, but that stuff made
>me want to paint more. :-)

Nice. What kind of roller did you use. <gd&r>

I used Floetrol (oops, it was this, not oil-based Penetrol I was
thinking of) for repainting my louvered closet doors with a HF HVLP
spray gun. I had to thin with water, Floetrol, and warm it to about
100F to get it to spray. Glidden acrylic enamel ain't made for
sprayin'. <sigh> I'll use more when I brush the trim in the house
before my family shows up for Christmas. It's the Good Stuff for
waterborne paints.

--
Happiness comes of the capacity to feel deeply, to enjoy
simply, to think freely, to risk life, to be needed.
-- Storm Jameson

c

clare@snyder.on.ca

in reply to "J. Clarke" on 10/09/2010 9:52 AM

11/09/2010 11:44 PM

On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 17:51:00 -0700, jo4hn <jo4hn@mahalo.charter.net>
wrote:

>clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>> On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 11:01:27 -0400, "Morgans"
>> <jsmorgan@charterJUNK.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> Never again. If you want smooth paint, no oak.
>>> Poplar rules!
>>>
>>> Amen, brother!
>>>
>>> I am now building a whole set for my kitchen to match the china cabinets,
>>> out of......
>>>
>>> Poplar!
>> AKA American Whitewood
>Whitewood is usually SPF (spruce, pine, fir)
Not up here it's not. It is Aspen or poplar, generally - defitely one
of the softer hardwoods - fine dense grain and no knots

LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to "J. Clarke" on 10/09/2010 9:52 AM

12/09/2010 8:43 AM

On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 20:48:18 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
<counterfitter@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sep 11, 9:53 pm, bon...@host122.r-bonomi.com (Robert Bonomi) wrote:
>> In article <4c8c21e8$0$4752$c3e8...@news.astraweb.com>,
>>
>> Lew Hodgett <sails.m...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> ><cl...@snyder.on.ca> wrote:
>>
>> >>>Poplar!
>> >> AKA American Whitewood
>>
>> >OK, what's that green stuff in Poplar?
>>
>> An experiment gone wrong.  Somebody grafted some output from the Treasury's
>> Bureau of Printing on to a sapling, to attempt to disprove the "poplar
>> adage" that 'money doesn't grrow on trees.'  Seems like the coloration
>> 'took', but the patterns were distored beyond recognition.
>
>Actually, the green patine is formed by a poplar tree growing next to
>other vegetation, like the kind that can climb walls. It makes a
>poplar green with ivy.

Envy ivy, or just English ivy?

--
Not merely an absence of noise, Real Silence begins
when a reasonable being withdraws from the noise in
order to find peace and order in his inner sanctuary.
-- Peter Minard

c

clare@snyder.on.ca

in reply to "J. Clarke" on 10/09/2010 9:52 AM

11/09/2010 11:55 PM

On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 17:51:00 -0700, jo4hn <jo4hn@mahalo.charter.net>
wrote:

>clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>> On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 11:01:27 -0400, "Morgans"
>> <jsmorgan@charterJUNK.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> Never again. If you want smooth paint, no oak.
>>> Poplar rules!
>>>
>>> Amen, brother!
>>>
>>> I am now building a whole set for my kitchen to match the china cabinets,
>>> out of......
>>>
>>> Poplar!
>> AKA American Whitewood
>Whitewood is usually SPF (spruce, pine, fir)

Liriodendron tulipifera
Otherwise known as "tulip poplar" - AKA "Yellow Poplar", Hickory
Poplar, Saddletree, and "Canoe-wood".
It is also sometimes called American basswood, but is actually neither
Basswood, nor Poplar.

It is part of the Mognoliaceae family and is the tallest hardwood in
North America.
They are fast growing - growing 50 feet in 11 years, on average.
Trees vary in height, but can grow to 200 ft, averaging between 100
and 150 ft tall, with trunks of 8 to 10 ft in diameter. Average weight
is 31 lbs per cubic foot, with a gravity of 0.51.


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