I was just wondering, how much of the content on this sight is
woodworkers trying to help other woodworkers and how much just crap.
It seems, to my limited experiance, that after a question is posted
there are a couple of helpfull answers and then the pissing contest
starts. The point then seems to be telling the last guy how wrong he
was. I have a little time and a lot of knowledge to share. I'm sure
there are poeple out there that can help me with the problems I come
across. Is this a place to find answers or just a place to beat you
chest?
Larry,
I have been a member of this group for quite a while (several years). As
with any newsgroup, there are always problems. However, compared to a year
ago, there wasn't near the flaming, crossposting and general crap. I have
been tempted to stop checking in, but I found that if you ignored certain
people and their posts and ignored the blatant crudity of some posts, that
underneath, rec.woodworking still is a good place to be. I myself feel that
I have something to offer to other woodworkers and I have helped others with
their questions. Alternately, I have posted numerous times with a problem I
was having and not once did I not receive valuable help and information
(Thanks fellow "wreckers"). Yes, unfortunately, a few knowledgeable posters
have left to the detriment of the group. I am hanging in.
Hopefully, you will stay in and contribute. And, hopefully, you will also
find it mutually beneficial. Set your filters to "KILL" and enjoy.
Preston
"larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I was just wondering, how much of the content on this sight is
> woodworkers trying to help other woodworkers and how much just crap.
> It seems, to my limited experiance, that after a question is posted
> there are a couple of helpfull answers and then the pissing contest
> starts. The point then seems to be telling the last guy how wrong he
> was. I have a little time and a lot of knowledge to share. I'm sure
> there are poeple out there that can help me with the problems I come
> across. Is this a place to find answers or just a place to beat you
> chest?
Welp, we usually start with your spelling and grammar ... it is "site", not
"sight"' "just crap" is missing the leading "is", and "you chest" should be
"your chest". There are a few more, but we'll let those slide for the time
being.
... Just kidding!
Why don't you try and post your questions, then just weed through the BS ...
tis what the rest of us have to put up with, whether we are givers or
recipients of helpful advice.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 9/21/03
"larry" wrote in message
> I was just wondering, how much of the content on this sight is
> woodworkers trying to help other woodworkers and how much just crap.
> It seems, to my limited experiance, that after a question is posted
> there are a couple of helpfull answers and then the pissing contest
> starts. The point then seems to be telling the last guy how wrong he
> was. I have a little time and a lot of knowledge to share. I'm sure
> there are poeple out there that can help me with the problems I come
> across. Is this a place to find answers or just a place to beat you
> chest?
larry wrote:
> I was just wondering, how much of the content on this sight is
> woodworkers trying to help other woodworkers and how much just crap.
> It seems, to my limited experiance, that after a question is posted
> there are a couple of helpfull answers and then the pissing contest
> starts.
New to rec.woodworking or new to the Web?
If you were experienced in news groups/ forums/ mail lists you would
know this is the nature of the beast.
I don't think it's going to change for you.
I was on one list where this one person signed on stating where he had
all this experience and if anyone challenged him he would be gone. LOL.
In his posts he had a wealth of information. In my 20+ years of
experience in the subject I knew it was nothing that couldn't have come
from books and magazines.
Posers suck.
By bitching about the pissing matches I must say you have made a fine
introduction and just made yourself a target of the pissers. Nature of
the beast.
I will say the only time I have found filters/ killfiles of use is
against spam. No need to put anyone on a list, just don't open their
messages. And if you do open one of their messages no ones putting a gun
to your head and making you answer. Remember, it's not a pissing match
till both players got their members out of their pants.
These are general tips on "surviving". They are not specific to the Wreck.
--
Mark
N.E. Ohio
Never argue with a fool, a bystander can't tell you apart. (S. Clemens,
A.K.A. Mark Twain)
When in doubt hit the throttle. It may not help but it sure ends the
suspense. (Gaz, r.moto)
In general it is the place to ask. Don't let the 'holier than thou'
'wanna-be' crowd scare you away. The rest of us usually ignore them.
They are living proof God made more horses butts than he did horses.
larry wrote:
> I was just wondering, how much of the content on this sight is
> woodworkers trying to help other woodworkers and how much just crap.
> It seems, to my limited experiance, that after a question is posted
> there are a couple of helpfull answers and then the pissing contest
> starts. The point then seems to be telling the last guy how wrong he
> was. I have a little time and a lot of knowledge to share. I'm sure
> there are poeple out there that can help me with the problems I come
> across. Is this a place to find answers or just a place to beat you
> chest?
why indeed, I DID mis-read him! No wonder I was surprised! It didn't
seem like he would have said that. Gotta get these glasses cleaned!
Thanks for pointing it out, Charles.
A thousand pardons to Preston.
dave
Charles wrote:
> Go back and reread the post. He said "not once did I not receive
> help."
>
>
>
> On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 06:23:05 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>I'm surprised by your comments that no one has helped you. Of the two
>>threads that you started, you received replies. One of them was OT, and
>>still got a number of replies. What exactly are you expecting here,
>>Preston? I've gotten wonderful advice here. I owe a great debt of
>>gratitude to the "kindness of strangers". Sure there are flamers and
>>many of us get cranky from time to time, but in my estimation, it's
>>worth it for me to spend time here. I also try to contribute what
>>little I can, while dodging the flames.
>>
>>I hope the next time you ask a question, you feel like you've received
>>some worthwhile assistance.
>>
>>dave
>>
>>Preston Andreas wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Larry,
>>>
>>>I have been a member of this group for quite a while (several years). As
>>>with any newsgroup, there are always problems. However, compared to a year
>>>ago, there wasn't near the flaming, crossposting and general crap. I have
>>>been tempted to stop checking in, but I found that if you ignored certain
>>>people and their posts and ignored the blatant crudity of some posts, that
>>>underneath, rec.woodworking still is a good place to be. I myself feel that
>>>I have something to offer to other woodworkers and I have helped others with
>>>their questions. Alternately, I have posted numerous times with a problem I
>>>was having and not once did I not receive valuable help and information
>>>(Thanks fellow "wreckers"). Yes, unfortunately, a few knowledgeable posters
>>>have left to the detriment of the group. I am hanging in.
>>>
>>>Hopefully, you will stay in and contribute. And, hopefully, you will also
>>>find it mutually beneficial. Set your filters to "KILL" and enjoy.
>>>
>>>Preston
>>>
>>>"larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>
>>>>I was just wondering, how much of the content on this sight is
>>>>woodworkers trying to help other woodworkers and how much just crap.
>>>>It seems, to my limited experiance, that after a question is posted
>>>>there are a couple of helpfull answers and then the pissing contest
>>>>starts. The point then seems to be telling the last guy how wrong he
>>>>was. I have a little time and a lot of knowledge to share. I'm sure
>>>>there are poeple out there that can help me with the problems I come
>>>>across. Is this a place to find answers or just a place to beat you
>>>>chest?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
[email protected] (larry) said:
> It seems, to my limited experiance, that after a question
> is posted there are a couple of helpfull answers and then the
> pissing contest starts.
> Is this a place to find answers or just a place to beat you chest?
You have answered your own question. About 10-20% of the posters on
most newsgroups are really able to be helpful, another 30% will tell
you to google for the answer and the rest just bicker. The few that
are really helpfull will stick around and form the core of he group,
they will always be here, others come and go as they get tired of the
bickering and name calling or if they lose interest.
--
McQualude
As they say, there is no such thing as a free lunch. An unfortunate truism
when you are dealing with a large group. There is a lot of useful
information to be had and time will help you weed it out. It's just a matter
of how much your willing to pay for the good stuff.
--
Mike G.
Heirloom Woods
www.heirloom-woods.net
"larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I was just wondering, how much of the content on this sight is
> woodworkers trying to help other woodworkers and how much just crap.
> It seems, to my limited experiance, that after a question is posted
> there are a couple of helpfull answers and then the pissing contest
> starts. The point then seems to be telling the last guy how wrong he
> was. I have a little time and a lot of knowledge to share. I'm sure
> there are poeple out there that can help me with the problems I come
> across. Is this a place to find answers or just a place to beat you
> chest?
Go back and reread the post. He said "not once did I not receive
help."
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 06:23:05 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>I'm surprised by your comments that no one has helped you. Of the two
>threads that you started, you received replies. One of them was OT, and
>still got a number of replies. What exactly are you expecting here,
>Preston? I've gotten wonderful advice here. I owe a great debt of
>gratitude to the "kindness of strangers". Sure there are flamers and
>many of us get cranky from time to time, but in my estimation, it's
>worth it for me to spend time here. I also try to contribute what
>little I can, while dodging the flames.
>
>I hope the next time you ask a question, you feel like you've received
>some worthwhile assistance.
>
>dave
>
>Preston Andreas wrote:
>
>> Larry,
>>
>> I have been a member of this group for quite a while (several years). As
>> with any newsgroup, there are always problems. However, compared to a year
>> ago, there wasn't near the flaming, crossposting and general crap. I have
>> been tempted to stop checking in, but I found that if you ignored certain
>> people and their posts and ignored the blatant crudity of some posts, that
>> underneath, rec.woodworking still is a good place to be. I myself feel that
>> I have something to offer to other woodworkers and I have helped others with
>> their questions. Alternately, I have posted numerous times with a problem I
>> was having and not once did I not receive valuable help and information
>> (Thanks fellow "wreckers"). Yes, unfortunately, a few knowledgeable posters
>> have left to the detriment of the group. I am hanging in.
>>
>> Hopefully, you will stay in and contribute. And, hopefully, you will also
>> find it mutually beneficial. Set your filters to "KILL" and enjoy.
>>
>> Preston
>>
>> "larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>I was just wondering, how much of the content on this sight is
>>>woodworkers trying to help other woodworkers and how much just crap.
>>>It seems, to my limited experiance, that after a question is posted
>>>there are a couple of helpfull answers and then the pissing contest
>>>starts. The point then seems to be telling the last guy how wrong he
>>>was. I have a little time and a lot of knowledge to share. I'm sure
>>>there are poeple out there that can help me with the problems I come
>>>across. Is this a place to find answers or just a place to beat you
>>>chest?
>>
>>
>>
--
- Charles
-
-does not play well with others
I'm surprised by your comments that no one has helped you. Of the two
threads that you started, you received replies. One of them was OT, and
still got a number of replies. What exactly are you expecting here,
Preston? I've gotten wonderful advice here. I owe a great debt of
gratitude to the "kindness of strangers". Sure there are flamers and
many of us get cranky from time to time, but in my estimation, it's
worth it for me to spend time here. I also try to contribute what
little I can, while dodging the flames.
I hope the next time you ask a question, you feel like you've received
some worthwhile assistance.
dave
Preston Andreas wrote:
> Larry,
>
> I have been a member of this group for quite a while (several years). As
> with any newsgroup, there are always problems. However, compared to a year
> ago, there wasn't near the flaming, crossposting and general crap. I have
> been tempted to stop checking in, but I found that if you ignored certain
> people and their posts and ignored the blatant crudity of some posts, that
> underneath, rec.woodworking still is a good place to be. I myself feel that
> I have something to offer to other woodworkers and I have helped others with
> their questions. Alternately, I have posted numerous times with a problem I
> was having and not once did I not receive valuable help and information
> (Thanks fellow "wreckers"). Yes, unfortunately, a few knowledgeable posters
> have left to the detriment of the group. I am hanging in.
>
> Hopefully, you will stay in and contribute. And, hopefully, you will also
> find it mutually beneficial. Set your filters to "KILL" and enjoy.
>
> Preston
>
> "larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>I was just wondering, how much of the content on this sight is
>>woodworkers trying to help other woodworkers and how much just crap.
>>It seems, to my limited experiance, that after a question is posted
>>there are a couple of helpfull answers and then the pissing contest
>>starts. The point then seems to be telling the last guy how wrong he
>>was. I have a little time and a lot of knowledge to share. I'm sure
>>there are poeple out there that can help me with the problems I come
>>across. Is this a place to find answers or just a place to beat you
>>chest?
>
>
>
I can't believe you would.... No, really, as with an intenet venue you will
have trolls, people who feel better making themselves look smart in the
wrong forums, but folks here are really helpful. There are several
published authors that frequent here, Charlie Self being a really good.
JOAT hits upon some really interesting sites, Tom Plamann has real talent, I
can go on and on. As with anything, watch what folks are helpful and which
aren't and read posts accordingly. Use the block feature supplied by your
browser as needed and read on. Good ideas abound!
Dan Rhoades
www.rhoadescameras.bizland.com
"larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I was just wondering, how much of the content on this sight is
> woodworkers trying to help other woodworkers and how much just crap.
> It seems, to my limited experiance, that after a question is posted
> there are a couple of helpfull answers and then the pissing contest
> starts. The point then seems to be telling the last guy how wrong he
> was. I have a little time and a lot of knowledge to share. I'm sure
> there are poeple out there that can help me with the problems I come
> across. Is this a place to find answers or just a place to beat you
> chest?
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larry wrote:
> I was just wondering, how much of the content on this sight is
> woodworkers trying to help other woodworkers and how much just crap.
> It seems, to my limited experiance, that after a question is posted
> there are a couple of helpfull answers and then the pissing contest
> starts. The point then seems to be telling the last guy how wrong he
> was. I have a little time and a lot of knowledge to share. I'm sure
> there are poeple out there that can help me with the problems I come
> across. Is this a place to find answers or just a place to beat you
> chest?
Yes.
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--
Mark
N.E. Ohio
Never argue with a fool, a bystander can't tell you apart. (S. Clemens,
A.K.A. Mark Twain)
When in doubt hit the throttle. It may not help but it sure ends the
suspense. (Gaz, r.moto)
Larry, I get plenty of useful information off the Wreck. I also see a
lot of BS, but that's the nature of a newsgroup with such a diverse
number of individuals posting to it. Sometimes the signal to noise
ratio is lower than I'd like, but hey, nothing or no one is perfect,
lest of all me. I endure the insults and disagreements for the "pearls
of wisdom" that come my way often enough to make it worthwhile...
dave
larry wrote:
> I was just wondering, how much of the content on this sight is
> woodworkers trying to help other woodworkers and how much just crap.
> It seems, to my limited experiance, that after a question is posted
> there are a couple of helpfull answers and then the pissing contest
> starts. The point then seems to be telling the last guy how wrong he
> was. I have a little time and a lot of knowledge to share. I'm sure
> there are poeple out there that can help me with the problems I come
> across. Is this a place to find answers or just a place to beat you
> chest?