Actually, it's more like saying "... the pot often calls the kettle black":
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"George E. Cawthon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Isn't that like saying, "a lake doesn't have to have any
> water?"
>
> Swingman wrote:
> >
> > I was horribly misquoted ... what I said is that "... an ellipsis
doesn't
> > have to omit anything". ;>)
> >
> > --
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> >
> > "George E. Cawthon" wrote in message
> > > Ah but it most certainly does in a quotation. ". . . is a
> > > big . . . ." means that something was omitted before and
> > > after is a big. Doesn't anyone use a dictionary (or a style
> > > manual)? Consultation of Websters's which should be the
> > > first step and indicates that the basic meaning is "to leave
> > > out." The ellipse is 3 dots but some style require the
> > > addition of the period when at the end of a sentence so it
> > > appears to be 4 dots (using asterisks removes this problem
> > > and is preferable to using dots anyway.
> > >
> > > As long as I'm on a rant.............using all these dot
> > > spacers is just a sloppy style of writing...........So,
> > > there!
Ah but it most certainly does in a quotation. ". . . is a
big . . . ." means that something was omitted before and
after is a big. Doesn't anyone use a dictionary (or a style
manual)? Consultation of Websters's which should be the
first step and indicates that the basic meaning is "to leave
out." The ellipse is 3 dots but some style require the
addition of the period when at the end of a sentence so it
appears to be 4 dots (using asterisks removes this problem
and is preferable to using dots anyway.
As long as I'm on a rant.............using all these dot
spacers is just a sloppy style of writing...........So,
there!
Bay Area Dave wrote:
>
> as Swingman noted, an ellipsis doesn't indicate an omission, but in some
> cases it is used that way also.
>
> dave
>
> Harry Davidson wrote:
>
> > Yes, but these recent things don't seem to be that. An ellipsis is
> > three dots (no more, no less) and is used to indicate an omission.
> > These have anything from two to ten dots and there doesn't seem to be
> > anything omitted. Weird.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 02:18:29 GMT, "J.B. Bobbitt" <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Use of the elipsis was made very popular quite a few years ago, by the likes
> >>of Herb Caen and contemporary print journalists and columnists. There was
> >>even a term coined for the style: "three dot journalism."
> >>
> >>
> >>"Harry Davidson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>news:[email protected]...
> >>
> >>>On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:56:29 -0400, Rod Upfold <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>haven't been online for abit......downloaded the new material that I
> >>>>haven't read........
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>By the amount of newsreader submissions you have.....how do you find
> >>>>time to do wood work......
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>just a question.......
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Thanks
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Rod
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>I'm not trying to start anything here or criticize in any way, but I'm
> >>>genuinely curious. More and more, I see people using a row of dots
> >>>(like the above) instead of just a single period at the end of
> >>>sentences. Why are they doing this? Does it serve some purpose I'm not
> >>>aware of?
> >>>
> >>>Thanks for any enlightenment.
> >>>
> >>>Harry
> >>
> >
George E. Cawthon wrote:
>Ah but it most certainly does in a quotation. ". . . is a
>big . . . ." means that something was omitted before and
>after is a big. Doesn't anyone use a dictionary (or a style
>manual)? Consultation of Websters's which should be the
>first step and indicates that the basic meaning is "to leave
>out." The ellipse is 3 dots but some style require the
>addition of the period when at the end of a sentence so it
>appears to be 4 dots (using asterisks removes this problem
>and is preferable to using dots anyway.
>
>As long as I'm on a rant.............using all these dot
>spacers is just a sloppy style of writing...........So,
>there!
>
>Bay Area Dave wrote:
>
>
>>as Swingman noted, an ellipsis doesn't indicate an omission, but in some
>>cases it is used that way also.
>>
>>dave
>>
>>Harry Davidson wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Yes, but these recent things don't seem to be that. An ellipsis is
>>>three dots (no more, no less) and is used to indicate an omission.
>>>These have anything from two to ten dots and there doesn't seem to be
>>>anything omitted. Weird.
>>>
>>>
>>>On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 02:18:29 GMT, "J.B. Bobbitt" <[email protected]>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Use of the elipsis was made very popular quite a few years ago, by the likes
>>>>of Herb Caen and contemporary print journalists and columnists. There was
>>>>even a term coined for the style: "three dot journalism."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Harry Davidson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:56:29 -0400, Rod Upfold <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>haven't been online for abit......downloaded the new material that I
>>>>>>haven't read........
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>By the amount of newsreader submissions you have.....how do you find
>>>>>>time to do wood work......
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>just a question.......
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Rod
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>I'm not trying to start anything here or criticize in any way, but I'm
>>>>>genuinely curious. More and more, I see people using a row of dots
>>>>>(like the above) instead of just a single period at the end of
>>>>>sentences. Why are they doing this? Does it serve some purpose I'm not
>>>>>aware of?
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks for any enlightenment.
>>>>>
>>>>>Harry
>>>>>
>>>>>
...haha! When I was in journalism school I started to use the ellipsis
quite a bit, thinking it made my copy more, ah, readable. You know,
flow: I was never berated by an instructor or professor, either,
getting great marks on my writing all the way through and into grad
studies. I kinda wore it out, finding it challenging to use classic
punctuation...however I still used it...for effect...and because, yup,
I'm lazy! cg
Bay Area Dave wrote:
>
> someone else said it better than me (or is it "I"; I can never remember
> which is correct); it's used (and useful) because it mimics our speech
> pattern...nothing wrong with that... :)
>
> dave
>
((snip))
That's easy, just complete the sentence, "someone else said
it better than I did" (it's obvious to most that "me did" is
wrong). Yeah, it can be useful, but that doesn't make in
any less sloppy. And BTW, we ain't talking, we be poken
keys. People that write well and then talk like they write
are usually called "pedantic." People that write like
common speech usually receive much less flattering
adjectives such as "uneducated." Let's just leave it as
"setting a damn poor example for your kids."
Isn't that like saying, "a lake doesn't have to have any
water?"
Swingman wrote:
>
> I was horribly misquoted ... what I said is that "... an ellipsis doesn't
> have to omit anything". ;>)
>
> --
> www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 8/16/03
>
> "George E. Cawthon" wrote in message
> > Ah but it most certainly does in a quotation. ". . . is a
> > big . . . ." means that something was omitted before and
> > after is a big. Doesn't anyone use a dictionary (or a style
> > manual)? Consultation of Websters's which should be the
> > first step and indicates that the basic meaning is "to leave
> > out." The ellipse is 3 dots but some style require the
> > addition of the period when at the end of a sentence so it
> > appears to be 4 dots (using asterisks removes this problem
> > and is preferable to using dots anyway.
> >
> > As long as I'm on a rant.............using all these dot
> > spacers is just a sloppy style of writing...........So,
> > there!
> >
> > Bay Area Dave wrote:
> > >
> > > as Swingman noted, an ellipsis doesn't indicate an omission, but in some
> > > cases it is used that way also.
I'm lost! Are you talking about being misquoted? I wasn't.
My point was that ellipsis means there is an omission and
lake means there is water. You can have an ellipsis unless
something is missing and you can't have a lake without
water.
Swingman wrote:
>
> Actually, it's more like saying "... the pot often calls the kettle black":
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=off&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_usubject=air%20compressor&as_uauthors=George%20E.%20Cawthon&lr=lang_en&num=100&hl=en
>
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> Last update: 8/16/03
>
> "George E. Cawthon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Isn't that like saying, "a lake doesn't have to have any
> > water?"
> >
> > Swingman wrote:
> > >
> > > I was horribly misquoted ... what I said is that "... an ellipsis
> doesn't
> > > have to omit anything". ;>)
> > >
> > > --
> > > www.e-woodshop.net
> > > Last update: 8/16/03
> > >
> > > "George E. Cawthon" wrote in message
> > > > Ah but it most certainly does in a quotation. ". . . is a
> > > > big . . . ." means that something was omitted before and
> > > > after is a big. Doesn't anyone use a dictionary (or a style
> > > > manual)? Consultation of Websters's which should be the
> > > > first step and indicates that the basic meaning is "to leave
> > > > out." The ellipse is 3 dots but some style require the
> > > > addition of the period when at the end of a sentence so it
> > > > appears to be 4 dots (using asterisks removes this problem
> > > > and is preferable to using dots anyway.
> > > >
> > > > As long as I'm on a rant.............using all these dot
> > > > spacers is just a sloppy style of writing...........So,
> > > > there!
damn spell checker! (I know, the word I wrote is a correct spelling for
a word of a different meaning...let's not quibble here :) )
dave
Jim Stuyck wrote:
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:UWT0b.2663$%[email protected]...
>
>>I frequently use an ellipse...that's THREE dots;no more, no less...
>
>
> Hmmm...and here I thought an "ellipse" was "a closed curve
> in the form of a symmetrical oval." ;-)
>
> The word you're searching for -- the three-dot-thingie -- is
> "ellipsis." Ellipsis is also "the omission of a word or words
> understood in the context."
>
> If nothing else, rec.woodworking can be "educational." :-)
>
> Jim Stuyck
>
>
On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:56:29 -0400, Rod Upfold <[email protected]> wrote:
>haven't been online for abit......downloaded the new material that I
>haven't read........
>
>
>By the amount of newsreader submissions you have.....how do you find
>time to do wood work......
>
>
>just a question.......
>
>
>
>Thanks
>
>
>Rod
I'm not trying to start anything here or criticize in any way, but I'm
genuinely curious. More and more, I see people using a row of dots
(like the above) instead of just a single period at the end of
sentences. Why are they doing this? Does it serve some purpose I'm not
aware of?
Thanks for any enlightenment.
Harry
On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:16:48 -0400, Tom Watson <[email protected]>
pixelated:
>On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 23:43:12 GMT, Harry Davidson
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>I'm not trying to start anything here or criticize in any way, but I'm
>>genuinely curious. More and more, I see people using a row of dots
>>(like the above) instead of just a single period at the end of
>>sentences. Why are they doing this? Does it serve some purpose I'm not
>>aware of?
>It is called an ellipsis.
Negative, sir. There are but 3 dots in an ellipsis.
Anything else is like those fid^H^H^Hdear friends who
include too many exclamation points in trying to make
one. Methinks the extra dots are where they went into
adult(?) ADD and started drooling on their keybords.
>I could cut and paste a definition but it would be more fun for you to
>look it up.
Ditto, eh?
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Yes, but these recent things don't seem to be that. An ellipsis is
three dots (no more, no less) and is used to indicate an omission.
These have anything from two to ten dots and there doesn't seem to be
anything omitted. Weird.
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 02:18:29 GMT, "J.B. Bobbitt" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Use of the elipsis was made very popular quite a few years ago, by the likes
>of Herb Caen and contemporary print journalists and columnists. There was
>even a term coined for the style: "three dot journalism."
>
>
>"Harry Davidson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:56:29 -0400, Rod Upfold <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >haven't been online for abit......downloaded the new material that I
>> >haven't read........
>> >
>> >
>> >By the amount of newsreader submissions you have.....how do you find
>> >time to do wood work......
>> >
>> >
>> >just a question.......
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Thanks
>> >
>> >
>> >Rod
>>
>>
>> I'm not trying to start anything here or criticize in any way, but I'm
>> genuinely curious. More and more, I see people using a row of dots
>> (like the above) instead of just a single period at the end of
>> sentences. Why are they doing this? Does it serve some purpose I'm not
>> aware of?
>>
>> Thanks for any enlightenment.
>>
>> Harry
>
someone else said it better than me (or is it "I"; I can never remember
which is correct); it's used (and useful) because it mimics our speech
pattern...nothing wrong with that... :)
dave
charlie groh wrote:
> George E. Cawthon wrote:
>
>> Ah but it most certainly does in a quotation. ". . . is a
>> big . . . ." means that something was omitted before and
>> after is a big. Doesn't anyone use a dictionary (or a style
>> manual)? Consultation of Websters's which should be the
>> first step and indicates that the basic meaning is "to leave
>> out." The ellipse is 3 dots but some style require the
>> addition of the period when at the end of a sentence so it
>> appears to be 4 dots (using asterisks removes this problem
>> and is preferable to using dots anyway.
>>
>> As long as I'm on a rant.............using all these dot
>> spacers is just a sloppy style of writing...........So,
>> there!
>> Bay Area Dave wrote:
>>
>>
>>> as Swingman noted, an ellipsis doesn't indicate an omission, but in some
>>> cases it is used that way also.
>>>
>>> dave
>>>
>>> Harry Davidson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Yes, but these recent things don't seem to be that. An ellipsis is
>>>> three dots (no more, no less) and is used to indicate an omission.
>>>> These have anything from two to ten dots and there doesn't seem to be
>>>> anything omitted. Weird.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 02:18:29 GMT, "J.B. Bobbitt" <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Use of the elipsis was made very popular quite a few years ago, by
>>>>> the likes
>>>>> of Herb Caen and contemporary print journalists and columnists.
>>>>> There was
>>>>> even a term coined for the style: "three dot journalism."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Harry Davidson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:56:29 -0400, Rod Upfold <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> haven't been online for abit......downloaded the new material that I
>>>>>>> haven't read........
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> By the amount of newsreader submissions you have.....how do you find
>>>>>>> time to do wood work......
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> just a question.......
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rod
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not trying to start anything here or criticize in any way, but
>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>> genuinely curious. More and more, I see people using a row of dots
>>>>>> (like the above) instead of just a single period at the end of
>>>>>> sentences. Why are they doing this? Does it serve some purpose I'm
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> aware of?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for any enlightenment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Harry
>>>>>>
>
> ...haha! When I was in journalism school I started to use the ellipsis
> quite a bit, thinking it made my copy more, ah, readable. You know,
> flow: I was never berated by an instructor or professor, either,
> getting great marks on my writing all the way through and into grad
> studies. I kinda wore it out, finding it challenging to use classic
> punctuation...however I still used it...for effect...and because, yup,
> I'm lazy! cg
>
I frequently use an ellipse...that's THREE dots;no more, no less...
dave
Harry Davidson wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:56:29 -0400, Rod Upfold <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>haven't been online for abit......downloaded the new material that I
>>haven't read........
>>
>>
>>By the amount of newsreader submissions you have.....how do you find
>>time to do wood work......
>>
>>
>>just a question.......
>>
>>
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>
>>Rod
>
>
>
> I'm not trying to start anything here or criticize in any way, but I'm
> genuinely curious. More and more, I see people using a row of dots
> (like the above) instead of just a single period at the end of
> sentences. Why are they doing this? Does it serve some purpose I'm not
> aware of?
>
> Thanks for any enlightenment.
>
> Harry
Use of the elipsis was made very popular quite a few years ago, by the likes
of Herb Caen and contemporary print journalists and columnists. There was
even a term coined for the style: "three dot journalism."
"Harry Davidson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:56:29 -0400, Rod Upfold <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >haven't been online for abit......downloaded the new material that I
> >haven't read........
> >
> >
> >By the amount of newsreader submissions you have.....how do you find
> >time to do wood work......
> >
> >
> >just a question.......
> >
> >
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >
> >Rod
>
>
> I'm not trying to start anything here or criticize in any way, but I'm
> genuinely curious. More and more, I see people using a row of dots
> (like the above) instead of just a single period at the end of
> sentences. Why are they doing this? Does it serve some purpose I'm not
> aware of?
>
> Thanks for any enlightenment.
>
> Harry
as Swingman noted, an ellipsis doesn't indicate an omission, but in some
cases it is used that way also.
dave
Harry Davidson wrote:
> Yes, but these recent things don't seem to be that. An ellipsis is
> three dots (no more, no less) and is used to indicate an omission.
> These have anything from two to ten dots and there doesn't seem to be
> anything omitted. Weird.
>
>
> On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 02:18:29 GMT, "J.B. Bobbitt" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Use of the elipsis was made very popular quite a few years ago, by the likes
>>of Herb Caen and contemporary print journalists and columnists. There was
>>even a term coined for the style: "three dot journalism."
>>
>>
>>"Harry Davidson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:56:29 -0400, Rod Upfold <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>haven't been online for abit......downloaded the new material that I
>>>>haven't read........
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>By the amount of newsreader submissions you have.....how do you find
>>>>time to do wood work......
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>just a question.......
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Thanks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Rod
>>>
>>>
>>>I'm not trying to start anything here or criticize in any way, but I'm
>>>genuinely curious. More and more, I see people using a row of dots
>>>(like the above) instead of just a single period at the end of
>>>sentences. Why are they doing this? Does it serve some purpose I'm not
>>>aware of?
>>>
>>>Thanks for any enlightenment.
>>>
>>>Harry
>>
>
On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 23:43:12 GMT, Harry Davidson
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:56:29 -0400, Rod Upfold <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>haven't been online for abit......downloaded the new material that I
>>haven't read........
>>
>>
>>By the amount of newsreader submissions you have.....how do you find
>>time to do wood work......
>>
>>
>>just a question.......
>>
>>
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>
>>Rod
>
>
>I'm not trying to start anything here or criticize in any way, but I'm
>genuinely curious. More and more, I see people using a row of dots
>(like the above) instead of just a single period at the end of
>sentences. Why are they doing this? Does it serve some purpose I'm not
>aware of?
>
>Thanks for any enlightenment.
>
>Harry
It is called an ellipsis.
I could cut and paste a definition but it would be more fun for you to
look it up.
Regards, Tom.
Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker
Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 15:42:53 GMT, Ben Siders wrote:
> I chalk it up as an adopted linguistic device for people to write the way
> they talk. Nothing special about it.
>
Pretty much what I was going to say too.
Think of it as an emoticon for "trailing off the sentence", more so than a
traditional ellipsis would (and like adding exclaimation points or question
marks, the number of dots corresponds to the magnitude). I find myself
using it in places where I might finish a sentence with a gesture.
It also appears to be used to make a sentence quieter. Kind of like the
opposite of typing in all caps.
In an analytical stretch, you might say the poster was using the ellipses
to quiet his sentences to subversively point out JOAT's tendency of using
all caps.
david
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I chalk it up as an adopted linguistic device for people to write the way
they talk. Nothing special about it.
On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 23:43:12 +0000, Harry Davidson wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:56:29 -0400, Rod Upfold <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>haven't been online for abit......downloaded the new material that I
>>haven't read........
>>
>>
>>By the amount of newsreader submissions you have.....how do you find
>>time to do wood work......
>>
>>
>>just a question.......
>>
>>
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>
>>Rod
>
>
> I'm not trying to start anything here or criticize in any way, but I'm
> genuinely curious. More and more, I see people using a row of dots
> (like the above) instead of just a single period at the end of
> sentences. Why are they doing this? Does it serve some purpose I'm not
> aware of?
>
> Thanks for any enlightenment.
>
> Harry
Yada yada....
"Morgans" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> it means and so on, and so on (you fill in the blanks)
>
>