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"mcgyver"

23/05/2008 7:28 PM

Router template problem

I'm template routing 2x2 red cedar for the rear legs of 6 patio chairs I'm
building. i've rough cut on the bandsaw and attached my template to the
piece. problem is the nasty tearout that I get when the grain changes. I
actually have a chunk in my hand that came off the first leg. I've stopped
at this point with 11 legs waiting and am looking for some suggestions to
minimize this. don't want to ruin any of the other legs. thanks


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in reply to "mcgyver" on 23/05/2008 7:28 PM

23/05/2008 6:37 PM

Work waaay too thick for a pattern bit.
Should be routed with ordinary straight bit, collar guide, & a plunge
router.
Cuts should be about 3/16"/pass. WIll take a lot of work & time,
produce a bucket of chips, make a lot of noise. Payoff: Very little
tearout.
*************
www.patwarner.com for more on routing.
**************************************


On May 23, 12:28=A0pm, "mcgyver" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'm template routing 2x2 red cedar for the rear legs of 6 patio chairs I'm=

> building. i've rough cut on the bandsaw and attached my template to the
> piece. problem is the nasty tearout that I get when the grain changes. =A0=
I
> actually have a chunk in my hand that came off the first leg. =A0I've stop=
ped
> at this point with 11 legs waiting and am looking for some suggestions to
> minimize this. =A0don't want to ruin any of the other legs. =A0thanks

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"Garage_Woodworks" <.@.>

in reply to "mcgyver" on 23/05/2008 7:28 PM

23/05/2008 6:19 PM


"mcgyver" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:4VEZj.161509$Cj7.68234@pd7urf2no...
> I'm template routing 2x2 red cedar for the rear legs of 6 patio chairs I'm
> building. i've rough cut on the bandsaw and attached my template to the
> piece. problem is the nasty tearout that I get when the grain changes. I
> actually have a chunk in my hand that came off the first leg. I've
> stopped at this point with 11 legs waiting and am looking for some
> suggestions to minimize this. don't want to ruin any of the other legs.
> thanks
>

Use two bits. Requires more work (2 bit changes per leg), but you will be
guaranteed almost no chip out.

Some really cool woodworker made a web page devoted to the topic.
See here:
http://www.garagewoodworks.com/Template_Routing.htm


--
Brian
www.garagewoodworks.com

"In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king."
Desiderius Erasmus

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"Garage_Woodworks" <.@.>

in reply to "mcgyver" on 23/05/2008 7:28 PM

23/05/2008 6:50 PM


"Garage_Woodworks" <.@.> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "mcgyver" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:4VEZj.161509$Cj7.68234@pd7urf2no...
>> I'm template routing 2x2 red cedar for the rear legs of 6 patio chairs
>> I'm building. i've rough cut on the bandsaw and attached my template to
>> the piece. problem is the nasty tearout that I get when the grain
>> changes. I actually have a chunk in my hand that came off the first leg.
>> I've stopped at this point with 11 legs waiting and am looking for some
>> suggestions to minimize this. don't want to ruin any of the other legs.
>> thanks
>>
>
> Use two bits. Requires more work (2 bit changes per leg), but you will
> be guaranteed almost no chip out.


Make that only ONE bit change per leg.

--
Brian
www.garagewoodworks.com

"In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king."
Desiderius Erasmus

G@

"Garage_Woodworks" <.@.>

in reply to "mcgyver" on 23/05/2008 7:28 PM

23/05/2008 7:30 PM


"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Garage_Woodworks" <.@.> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "mcgyver" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:4VEZj.161509$Cj7.68234@pd7urf2no...
>>> I'm template routing 2x2 red cedar for the rear legs of 6 patio chairs
>>> I'm building. i've rough cut on the bandsaw and attached my template to
>>> the piece. problem is the nasty tearout that I get when the grain
>>> changes. I actually have a chunk in my hand that came off the first
>>> leg. I've stopped at this point with 11 legs waiting and am looking for
>>> some suggestions to minimize this. don't want to ruin any of the other
>>> legs. thanks
>>>
>>
>> Use two bits. Requires more work (2 bit changes per leg), but you will
>> be guaranteed almost no chip out.
>>
>> Some really cool woodworker made a web page devoted to the topic.
>> See here:
>> http://www.garagewoodworks.com/Template_Routing.htm
>
>
> Well that certainly is a good idea. One possible problem though is that
> with the pattern on top you cannot see which way the grain is going and
> you might just go a little too far and get back into the problem area.
> That certainly should work well on relatively straight grain wood and
> straight cuts. Inconsistent grain and or a curved pattern may present its
> own set of problems when the pattern is on top. Perhaps a clear plastic
> pattern!

Pencil marks on the pattern denoting when to stop?

>
>

Hh

Howard

in reply to "mcgyver" on 23/05/2008 7:28 PM

23/05/2008 3:04 PM

On May 23, 12:37=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "mcgyver" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:4VEZj.161509$Cj7.68234@pd7urf2no...
>
> > I'm template routing 2x2 red cedar for the rear legs of 6 patio chairs I=
'm
> > building. i've rough cut on the bandsaw and attached my template to the
> > piece. problem is the nasty tearout that I get when the grain changes. =
=A0I
> > actually have a chunk in my hand that came off the first leg. =A0I've
> > stopped at this point with 11 legs waiting and am looking for some
> > suggestions to minimize this. =A0don't want to ruin any of the other leg=
s.
> > thanks
>
> Read the grain on the wood and reverse the direction that you are routing
> when in these areas. =A0Cutting very close to the line with the BS helps t=
o
> cut down on router bit grab when going in the reverse direction.

I have had the same problem and both sugestions work. I find that a
larger diameter pattern bit works well but you do need to cut as close
to the line as possible. Some of my projects are here www.howardboehm.com
just finished my bar.

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to "mcgyver" on 23/05/2008 7:28 PM

23/05/2008 2:37 PM


"mcgyver" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:4VEZj.161509$Cj7.68234@pd7urf2no...
> I'm template routing 2x2 red cedar for the rear legs of 6 patio chairs I'm
> building. i've rough cut on the bandsaw and attached my template to the
> piece. problem is the nasty tearout that I get when the grain changes. I
> actually have a chunk in my hand that came off the first leg. I've
> stopped at this point with 11 legs waiting and am looking for some
> suggestions to minimize this. don't want to ruin any of the other legs.
> thanks
>

Read the grain on the wood and reverse the direction that you are routing
when in these areas. Cutting very close to the line with the BS helps to
cut down on router bit grab when going in the reverse direction.

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to "mcgyver" on 23/05/2008 7:28 PM

23/05/2008 6:24 PM


"Garage_Woodworks" <.@.> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "mcgyver" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:4VEZj.161509$Cj7.68234@pd7urf2no...
>> I'm template routing 2x2 red cedar for the rear legs of 6 patio chairs
>> I'm building. i've rough cut on the bandsaw and attached my template to
>> the piece. problem is the nasty tearout that I get when the grain
>> changes. I actually have a chunk in my hand that came off the first leg.
>> I've stopped at this point with 11 legs waiting and am looking for some
>> suggestions to minimize this. don't want to ruin any of the other legs.
>> thanks
>>
>
> Use two bits. Requires more work (2 bit changes per leg), but you will
> be guaranteed almost no chip out.
>
> Some really cool woodworker made a web page devoted to the topic.
> See here:
> http://www.garagewoodworks.com/Template_Routing.htm


Well that certainly is a good idea. One possible problem though is that
with the pattern on top you cannot see which way the grain is going and you
might just go a little too far and get back into the problem area. That
certainly should work well on relatively straight grain wood and straight
cuts. Inconsistent grain and or a curved pattern may present its own set of
problems when the pattern is on top. Perhaps a clear plastic pattern!

Hg

Hoosierpopi

in reply to "mcgyver" on 23/05/2008 7:28 PM

24/05/2008 8:26 AM

On May 23, 6:16 pm, "Chip Buchholtz" <[email protected]> wrote:
> mcgyver <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> : I'm template routing 2x2 red cedar for the rear legs of 6 patio chairs I'm
> : building. i've rough cut on the bandsaw and attached my template to the
> : piece. problem is the nasty tearout that I get when the grain changes. I
> : actually have a chunk in my hand that came off the first leg. I've stopped
> : at this point with 11 legs waiting and am looking for some suggestions to
> : minimize this. don't want to ruin any of the other legs. thanks
>
> Wood Whisperer has a good video on this.
THANK YOU, that's a good clip and good site.
>
> http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1344664476/bclid1344578...
>
> It deals with this specifically at the end. Sometimes a video is
> worth a thousand words.
>
> Wood Whisperer home page:http://thewoodwhisperer.com/
>
> --- Chip

cc

"charlie"

in reply to "mcgyver" on 23/05/2008 7:28 PM

23/05/2008 12:29 PM


"mcgyver" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:4VEZj.161509$Cj7.68234@pd7urf2no...
> I'm template routing 2x2 red cedar for the rear legs of 6 patio chairs I'm
> building. i've rough cut on the bandsaw and attached my template to the
> piece. problem is the nasty tearout that I get when the grain changes. I
> actually have a chunk in my hand that came off the first leg. I've
> stopped at this point with 11 legs waiting and am looking for some
> suggestions to minimize this. don't want to ruin any of the other legs.
> thanks

cut close on a band saw, and use a belt or spindle sander to get the rest of
the way.

CB

"Chip Buchholtz"

in reply to "mcgyver" on 23/05/2008 7:28 PM

23/05/2008 10:16 PM

mcgyver <[email protected]> wrote:
: I'm template routing 2x2 red cedar for the rear legs of 6 patio chairs I'm
: building. i've rough cut on the bandsaw and attached my template to the
: piece. problem is the nasty tearout that I get when the grain changes. I
: actually have a chunk in my hand that came off the first leg. I've stopped
: at this point with 11 legs waiting and am looking for some suggestions to
: minimize this. don't want to ruin any of the other legs. thanks

Wood Whisperer has a good video on this.

http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1344664476/bclid1344578261/bctid1390022240

It deals with this specifically at the end. Sometimes a video is
worth a thousand words.

Wood Whisperer home page: http://thewoodwhisperer.com/

--- Chip


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