RC

Robatoy

15/02/2008 12:13 PM

Corner cabinets without lazy susan.

Wasted space in corners has always been an issue.
Lazy susans don't use all the space either and they tend to get
overloaded and stuff falls off, hard to clean etc, etc.
And the really good ones are expensive.
Twice I have had the pleasure to install a countertop for a new
cabinet maker/client who does it this way:

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Cornercab.jpg

In one case he used full extension slides and the drawers were just
huge.
This particular guy uses face frames. I'll take a picture next time I
get to do a job for him.
In the meantime, I hope this may help someone else's lay-out problem.

r


This topic has 22 replies

LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to Robatoy on 15/02/2008 12:13 PM

15/02/2008 1:33 PM


"Robatoy" wrote:

> Wasted space in corners has always been an issue.
> Lazy susans don't use all the space either and they tend to get
> overloaded and stuff falls off, hard to clean etc, etc.
> And the really good ones are expensive.
> Twice I have had the pleasure to install a countertop for a new
> cabinet maker/client who does it this way:
>
> http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Cornercab.jpg


Same solution shown on a recent episode of NYW.

As that old saying goes, ".. the more thing chsnge, the more they stay
the same."

BTW, Mikey likes it<G>.

Lew


jj

jo4hn

in reply to Robatoy on 15/02/2008 12:13 PM

15/02/2008 4:47 PM

Robatoy wrote:
> Wasted space in corners has always been an issue.
> Lazy susans don't use all the space either and they tend to get
> overloaded and stuff falls off, hard to clean etc, etc.
> And the really good ones are expensive.
> Twice I have had the pleasure to install a countertop for a new
> cabinet maker/client who does it this way:
>
> http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Cornercab.jpg
>
> In one case he used full extension slides and the drawers were just
> huge.
> This particular guy uses face frames. I'll take a picture next time I
> get to do a job for him.
> In the meantime, I hope this may help someone else's lay-out problem.
>
> r


Some ideas at http://www.kitchen-cabinets-tips.com/designs.html

and http://www.fdmonline.com/ViewArticle.aspx?id=13062

Diamond Cabinetry at
http://www.diamond2.com/storage/storage_display.cfm?sec=base_cabinets&did=30
and
http://www.diamond2.com/storage/storage_display.cfm?sec=corner_cabinets&did=90

has a photo of a corner cabinet that looks like something my brother has
in his house. Basically it is a base cabinet with a swing-out that
drags a couple of drawers behind it. He doesn't know the manufacturer
of his cabinets since they were in place when he bought the place.

mahalo,
jo4hn

Ban socialized armies!

LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to Robatoy on 15/02/2008 12:13 PM

15/02/2008 5:41 PM


"Robatoy" wrote:
> Wasted space in corners has always been an issue.

The only way to gain total access to corner space is to use top entry lift
out bins such as you find on any decent yacht.

Requires some specialized bins which probably make it cost prohibitive on a
production type home.

Lew

LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to Robatoy on 15/02/2008 12:13 PM

15/02/2008 10:31 PM


"Robatoy" wrote:

That little bit of space on both sides of the drawer unit is a 'must-
have'. Those corners are never right. Drywallers leave this nice
'thickness' to the inside corner.

Why do you think the operative phrase from my previous post was:
++++++++++++++++++++++
> Requires some specialized bins which probably make it cost prohibitive on
> a
> production type home.
++++++++++++++++++++

BTW, would have to send a ferret to get things from the back of a 32" deep
drawer.

My arms aren't long enough<G>.

Lew

LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to Robatoy on 15/02/2008 12:13 PM

16/02/2008 8:10 AM


"Robatoy" wrote:

Full extension slides, Lew.

It's still 32", front to back.

It's a ferret or an arm extension and I'm not quite ready for a motorized
scooter, so I can't get a free arm extension as my consolation prize for
testing one.<G>

Lew

LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to Robatoy on 15/02/2008 12:13 PM

16/02/2008 2:10 PM


Robotoy wrote:

> You are supposed to stand BESIDE the drawer, Lew....LOL

Now that requires an executive decision, Left or Right side.

Much to complex a skill set.

Next thing you know, you're going to expect me to know why I opened the
drawer in the first place<G>.

Lew

LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to Robatoy on 15/02/2008 12:13 PM

16/02/2008 3:19 PM


> Robotoy wrote:

> You do what I do... walk backwards to where you came from when you
first had an inkling what you thought you were going to find in that
drawer. Nothing complicuted about that. [sic]

How'd you know that?

Lew


Sb

"SonomaProducts.com"

in reply to Robatoy on 15/02/2008 12:13 PM

15/02/2008 4:25 PM


I've seen the same but with the door made in two pieces in and mitered
inverted to fit the corner. You have to use under or over mounted
slides. You loose some space up front but have a much more traditional
look. They usually also divide the shelves vertically so you pull it
out and look at it from either side.

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On Feb 15, 12:13=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> Wasted space in corners has always been an issue.
> Lazy susans don't use all the space either and they tend to get
> overloaded and stuff falls off, hard to clean etc, etc.
> And the really good ones are expensive.
> Twice I have had the pleasure to install a countertop for a new
> cabinet maker/client who does it this way:
>
> http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Cornercab.jpg
>
> In one case he used full extension slides and the drawers were just
> huge.
> This particular guy uses face frames. I'll take a picture next time I
> get to do a job for him.
> In the meantime, I hope this may help someone else's lay-out problem.
>
> r

FH

Father Haskell

in reply to Robatoy on 15/02/2008 12:13 PM

15/02/2008 5:55 PM

On Feb 15, 3:13 pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> Wasted space in corners has always been an issue.
> Lazy susans don't use all the space either and they tend to get
> overloaded and stuff falls off, hard to clean etc, etc.
> And the really good ones are expensive.
> Twice I have had the pleasure to install a countertop for a new
> cabinet maker/client who does it this way:
>
> http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Cornercab.jpg
>
> In one case he used full extension slides and the drawers were just
> huge.
> This particular guy uses face frames. I'll take a picture next time I
> get to do a job for him.
> In the meantime, I hope this may help someone else's lay-out problem.
>
> r

Good design for a stand for a radial drill press or similiar
oversized bench tool that normally lives in a corner, but
occasionally needs to be pulled out for machining large
workpieces.

LD

L D'Bonnie

in reply to Robatoy on 15/02/2008 12:13 PM

15/02/2008 6:50 PM

Robatoy wrote:
> Wasted space in corners has always been an issue.
> Lazy susans don't use all the space either and they tend to get
> overloaded and stuff falls off, hard to clean etc, etc.
> And the really good ones are expensive.
> Twice I have had the pleasure to install a countertop for a new
> cabinet maker/client who does it this way:
>
> http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Cornercab.jpg
>
> In one case he used full extension slides and the drawers were just
> huge.
> This particular guy uses face frames. I'll take a picture next time I
> get to do a job for him.
> In the meantime, I hope this may help someone else's lay-out problem.
>
> r

Here's another method for using corner space

http://www.leevalley.com/hardware/page.aspx?c=2&p=43657&cat=3,43722,43723&ap=2


LdB

bk

"bob kater"

in reply to Robatoy on 15/02/2008 12:13 PM

15/02/2008 8:35 PM

I like it
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:b3ec8af6-f082-4597-adc0-cd913837ce0a@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> Wasted space in corners has always been an issue.
> Lazy susans don't use all the space either and they tend to get
> overloaded and stuff falls off, hard to clean etc, etc.
> And the really good ones are expensive.
> Twice I have had the pleasure to install a countertop for a new
> cabinet maker/client who does it this way:
>
> http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Cornercab.jpg
>
> In one case he used full extension slides and the drawers were just
> huge.
> This particular guy uses face frames. I'll take a picture next time I
> get to do a job for him.
> In the meantime, I hope this may help someone else's lay-out problem.
>
> r

RC

Robatoy

in reply to Robatoy on 15/02/2008 12:13 PM

16/02/2008 9:38 AM

On Feb 16, 11:10=A0am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> =A0"Robatoy" wrote:
>
> Full extension slides, Lew.
>
> It's still 32", front to back.

You are supposed to stand BESIDE the drawer, Lew....LOL
>
> It's a ferret or an arm extension and I'm not quite ready for a motorized
> scooter, so I can't get a free arm extension as my consolation prize for
> testing one.<G>
>
> Lew

En

Eugene

in reply to Robatoy on 15/02/2008 12:13 PM

15/02/2008 4:28 PM

Robatoy wrote:

> Wasted space in corners has always been an issue.
> Lazy susans don't use all the space either and they tend to get
> overloaded and stuff falls off, hard to clean etc, etc.
> And the really good ones are expensive.
> Twice I have had the pleasure to install a countertop for a new
> cabinet maker/client who does it this way:
>
> http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Cornercab.jpg
>
> In one case he used full extension slides and the drawers were just
> huge.
> This particular guy uses face frames. I'll take a picture next time I
> get to do a job for him.
> In the meantime, I hope this may help someone else's lay-out problem.
>
> r

Too much wasted space there, big triangle behind the drawers and in the
corners of the other two cabinets that is unaccessible.
At least with a lazy susan you can set something in the wasted space.

En

Eugene

in reply to Robatoy on 15/02/2008 12:13 PM

15/02/2008 7:22 PM

Robatoy wrote:

> On Feb 15, 4:28 pm, Eugene <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Robatoy wrote:
>> > Wasted space in corners has always been an issue.
>> > Lazy susans don't use all the space either and they tend to get
>> > overloaded and stuff falls off, hard to clean etc, etc.
>> > And the really good ones are expensive.
>> > Twice I have had the pleasure to install a countertop for a new
>> > cabinet maker/client who does it this way:
>>
>> >http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Cornercab.jpg
>>
>> > In one case he used full extension slides and the drawers were just
>> > huge.
>> > This particular guy uses face frames. I'll take a picture next time I
>> > get to do a job for him.
>> > In the meantime, I hope this may help someone else's lay-out problem.
>>
>> > r
>>
>> Too much wasted space there, big triangle behind the drawers and in the
>> corners of the other two cabinets that is unaccessible.
>> At least with a lazy susan you can set something in the wasted space.
>
> Draw a circle where the lazy susan would go and let's see you get to
> the 'spaces' through an 18" opening.

That is exactly how I built my lazy susan now. Big things like bottles of
vegetable oil go in the corners.

Hn

Han

in reply to Robatoy on 15/02/2008 12:13 PM

15/02/2008 9:55 PM

Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in
news:b9ab7346-7814-4505-8325-33f25930833b@e60g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:

> On Feb 15, 4:28 pm, Eugene <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Robatoy wrote:
>> > Wasted space in corners has always been an issue.
>> > Lazy susans don't use all the space either and they tend to get
>> > overloaded and stuff falls off, hard to clean etc, etc.
>> > And the really good ones are expensive.
>> > Twice I have had the pleasure to install a countertop for a new
>> > cabinet maker/client who does it this way:
>>
>> >http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Cornercab.jpg
>>
>> > In one case he used full extension slides and the drawers were just
>> > huge.
>> > This particular guy uses face frames. I'll take a picture next time
>> > I get to do a job for him.
>> > In the meantime, I hope this may help someone else's lay-out
>> > problem.
>>
>> > r
>>
>> Too much wasted space there, big triangle behind the drawers and in
>> the corners of the other two cabinets that is unaccessible.
>> At least with a lazy susan you can set something in the wasted space.
>
> Draw a circle where the lazy susan would go and let's see you get to
> the 'spaces' through an 18" opening.

Well, I think this is a great solution if you can waste the angled floor
space. However, sometimes Robatoy's solution doesn't work. Our kitchen
is rather small, and the counter is at right angles to the stove. There
is only 2 1/4" between the drawerfront under the counter and the right
edge of the oven door. Under that drawer is a lazy susan with 2 levels
to maximize the space in the corner. Above the counter, the cabinet has
a door that hinges, so it opens above the counter at both angles.

House was built in 1928-9 and the kitchen hasn't been changed in layout
much since then. Radburn community in Fair Lawn, NJ, a historic
landmark <http://radburn.org>


--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

RC

Robatoy

in reply to Robatoy on 15/02/2008 12:13 PM

15/02/2008 7:12 PM

On Feb 15, 7:47=A0pm, jo4hn <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> Ban socialized armies!

You know where Canadians keep their armies?
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RC

Robatoy

in reply to Robatoy on 15/02/2008 12:13 PM

15/02/2008 1:37 PM

On Feb 15, 4:28=A0pm, Eugene <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
> > Wasted space in corners has always been an issue.
> > Lazy susans don't use all the space either and they tend to get
> > overloaded and stuff falls off, hard to clean etc, etc.
> > And the really good ones are expensive.
> > Twice I have had the pleasure to install a countertop for a new
> > cabinet maker/client who does it this way:
>
> >http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Cornercab.jpg
>
> > In one case he used full extension slides and the drawers were just
> > huge.
> > This particular guy uses face frames. I'll take a picture next time I
> > get to do a job for him.
> > In the meantime, I hope this may help someone else's lay-out problem.
>
> > r
>
> Too much wasted space there, big triangle behind the drawers and in the
> corners of the other two cabinets that is unaccessible.
> At least with a lazy susan you can set something in the wasted space.

Draw a circle where the lazy susan would go and let's see you get to
the 'spaces' through an 18" opening.

RC

Robatoy

in reply to Robatoy on 15/02/2008 12:13 PM

16/02/2008 2:47 PM

On Feb 16, 5:10=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robotoy wrote:
> > You are supposed to stand BESIDE the drawer, Lew....LOL
>
> Now that requires an executive decision, Left or Right side.
>
> Much to complex a skill set.
>
> Next thing you know, you're going to expect me to know why I opened the
> drawer in the first place<G>.
>
> Lew

You do what I do... walk backwards to where you came from when you
first had an inkling what you thought you were going to find in that
drawer. Nothing complicuted about that. [sic]

RC

Robatoy

in reply to Robatoy on 15/02/2008 12:13 PM

16/02/2008 6:08 PM

On Feb 16, 6:19=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Robotoy wrote:
> > You do what I do... walk backwards to where you came from when you
>
> first had an inkling what you thought you were going to find in that
> drawer. Nothing complicuted about that. [sic]
>
> How'd you know that?
>
> Lew

I find myself walking in a store and not having a clue that I even
left my house

RC

Robatoy

in reply to Robatoy on 15/02/2008 12:13 PM

15/02/2008 7:45 PM

On Feb 15, 8:41=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" wrote:
> > Wasted space in corners has always been an issue.
>
> The only way to gain total access to corner space is to use top entry lift=

> out bins such as you find on any decent yacht.
>
> Requires some specialized bins which probably make it cost prohibitive on =
a
> production type home.
>
> Lew

That little bit of space on both sides of the drawer unit is a 'must-
have'. Those corners are never right. Drywallers leave this nice
'thickness' to the inside corner.
BTW, those drawers are 32" deep. Just huge. And with a solid set of
full extension Accurides, will hold 200 pounds each. The angled
sections to the right and left hold all the Tupperware.

RC

Robatoy

in reply to Robatoy on 15/02/2008 12:13 PM

16/02/2008 7:38 AM

On Feb 16, 1:31=A0am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" wrote:
>
> That little bit of space on both sides of the drawer unit is a 'must-
> have'. Those corners are never right. Drywallers leave this nice
> 'thickness' to the inside corner.
>
> Why do you think the operative phrase from my previous post was:
> ++++++++++++++++++++++> Requires some specialized bins which probably make=
it cost prohibitive on
> > a
> > production type home.
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++
>
> BTW, would have to send a ferret to get things from the back of a 32" deep=

> drawer.
>
> My arms aren't long enough<G>.
>
> Lew

Full extension slides, Lew.

aa

"asmurff"

in reply to Robatoy on 15/02/2008 12:13 PM

15/02/2008 4:23 PM

I like those drawer units with the progressively larger drawers. and put in
a corner like that is an excellent idea.

--
Mike
Watch for the bounce.
If ya didn't see it, ya didn't feel it.
If ya see it, it didn't go off.
Old Air Force Munitions Saying
IYAAYAS
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:b3ec8af6-f082-4597-adc0-cd913837ce0a@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> Wasted space in corners has always been an issue.
> Lazy susans don't use all the space either and they tend to get
> overloaded and stuff falls off, hard to clean etc, etc.
> And the really good ones are expensive.
> Twice I have had the pleasure to install a countertop for a new
> cabinet maker/client who does it this way:
>
> http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o290/Robatoy/Cornercab.jpg
>
> In one case he used full extension slides and the drawers were just
> huge.
> This particular guy uses face frames. I'll take a picture next time I
> get to do a job for him.
> In the meantime, I hope this may help someone else's lay-out problem.
>
> r


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