Framing nailer

On May 18, 9:58 pm, "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Lou" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > When you go back to the store, calmly ask the store manager to pay for
> > your gas. He'll say no, then ask him if he takes responsibility for
> > the people
> > he hires or is he just as ignorant as the people he hires. If his
> > employees
> > cost you that much money for their mistakes why should you pay for
> > them.
> > If it's just human error,, remember it's his humans not yours. And if
> > he doesn't
> > like the idea, tell him what your time is worth. If he still refuses
> > to make it up
> > to you, don't accidentally trip into a display that could break on the
> > way out.
> > After all it's only human error.
> > Lou
>
> I really want to be there to watch the next time you screw up in that human
> sort of way. $100 right here and now says you don't hold yourself to the
> same standard. Lots of talk...
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> [email protected]

I'll take that bet anytime, anywhere. You're not worth a damn if you
don't hold yourself to a high
standard. The same goes for all of your crew, employee's even family.
I don't make stupid mistakes
that cost others that I'm not willing to take responsibility for and I
don't let other walk away
from it either. If you're not willing to take responsibility for what
you do then you should sit at home.
Lou

On May 18, 6:21 pm, "JC" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> > JC wrote:
> >> None that are open on Sunday.
>
> > "B A R R Y" wrote:
>
> >> I've felt that pain...
>
> > That's why beer exists.
>
> > Lew
>
> I'm frew fo da day. After steaming for awhile I had the same idee. Now, 3.5
> six packs later, I'm callin it a day. I'll git the damn nails tommorie.
>
> Thinks for y'alls hep.
>
> An yea I tipe better'n I spill, sepll, aw hell you know what I meen.

When you go back to the store, calmly ask the store manager to pay for
your gas. He'll say no, then ask him if he takes responsibility for
the people
he hires or is he just as ignorant as the people he hires. If his
employees
cost you that much money for their mistakes why should you pay for
them.
If it's just human error,, remember it's his humans not yours. And if
he doesn't
like the idea, tell him what your time is worth. If he still refuses
to make it up
to you, don't accidentally trip into a display that could break on the
way out.
After all it's only human error.
Lou

"DGDevin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Mike Marlow wrote:
>
>>> My bet is next time you will be sure before you leave to store!
>>> You can not trust the droids at most any home store.
>>> Greg
>>
>> Yeah - sometimes they are no better than the droids that come in there
>> expecting them to know everything that they themselves don't know. Bet it
>> said right on the box, the proper nails to use in the gun. Bet that
>> wasn't enough...
>
> Asking someone who works in a hardware store is the wrong approach if you
> don't know yourself? Expecting people who do something for a living to
> know what they're talking about is a poor policy? I grant you that
> believing what anyone at Hell Depot says is a long shot, but that's more
> about how poorly that company is run than it is about this particular
> customer's wisdom.
>

You pose a good point. I should have phrased my response better. Yes - I
do believe those people should be knowledgeable to some high degree. That
said, tools like that specify the proper nail. They even typically put it
on the box. I don't dismiss the obligation of a store to hire, train and
maintain educated staff, but at the same time, I don't dismiss the
obligation of the buyer to assume the most basic of responsibilities. Such
as... read the box.

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-Mike-
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"Lou" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> When you go back to the store, calmly ask the store manager to pay for
> your gas. He'll say no, then ask him if he takes responsibility for
> the people
> he hires or is he just as ignorant as the people he hires. If his
> employees
> cost you that much money for their mistakes why should you pay for
> them.
> If it's just human error,, remember it's his humans not yours. And if
> he doesn't
> like the idea, tell him what your time is worth. If he still refuses
> to make it up
> to you, don't accidentally trip into a display that could break on the
> way out.
> After all it's only human error.
> Lou

I really want to be there to watch the next time you screw up in that human
sort of way. $100 right here and now says you don't hold yourself to the
same standard. Lots of talk...

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

"Hoosierpopi" wrote:

> With what they pay HD/Lowes employees, expecting English
> Comprehension
> is going a bit far!

Can't comment on Lowes, but can on H/D since I have a friend who works
there.

Things have certainly changed since the founders sold H/D.

Gone are the days when employees were considered assets,

Today, employees are treated as a disposable resource.

The result is a basic 8-5 attitude.

H/D is reaping what they sew.

It is a place I wouldn't want to work.

Lew

"Greg O" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> My bet is next time you will be sure before you leave to store!
> You can not trust the droids at most any home store.
> Greg

Yeah - sometimes they are no better than the droids that come in there
expecting them to know everything that they themselves don't know. Bet it
said right on the box, the proper nails to use in the gun. Bet that wasn't
enough...

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Hoosierpopi" wrote:
>
>> With what they pay HD/Lowes employees, expecting English Comprehension
>> is going a bit far!
>
> Can't comment on Lowes, but can on H/D since I have a friend who works
> there.
>
> Things have certainly changed since the founders sold H/D.
>
> Gone are the days when employees were considered assets,
>
> Today, employees are treated as a disposable resource.
>
> The result is a basic 8-5 attitude.
>
> H/D is reaping what they sew.
>
> It is a place I wouldn't want to work.
>
> Lew
>
>

Having been in the big corporate world, let me explain it to you. I can hire
a high school drop out for 5.50 an hour. They'll work pretty hard looking
for raises. So, I give them three bumps over the course of maybe 18 months.
By that time they have reached their comfort level and we're not going to
get any more out of them. So, it's much cheaper to let them go and start
over again with a new high school drop out. Now, I was with a very large
nationwide insurance company and that's how we did it so you can imagaine
how a lumber yard would do it.

"B A R R Y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 18 May 2008 15:46:37 GMT, "JC" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>Bout a Porter Cable nailer from the great Home Depot. I asked for some
>>framing nails. The fellow give me a box of them and said this was what I
>>needed.
>>
>>Well, I get back to the farm, some 80 miles away. Open up the owners
>>manual
>>and it tells me to use 22 degree round head nails. I look at the box and
>>it
>>is 30 degree full head nails.
>>
>>Question, will it make any difference if I use the 30 degree or should I
>>be
>>prepared to go back to Home Depot and give the manager a piece of my mind.
>>AGAIN!
>
> Some nailers can use several different types of nails, most can't. If
> yours doesn't say it can use 30 degree nails, I wouldn't use them.
>
> You have NOWHERE that sells (or can get) framing nails, less than 80
> miles away? Maybe a rental house, farm supply, hardware store, or
> local lumber yard? 22 degree framing nails aren't exactly space
> shuttle parts.


None that are open on Sunday. Thanks for the response. Appreciate it.

JC

"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>
> JC wrote:
>> None that are open on Sunday.
>
> "B A R R Y" wrote:
>
>> I've felt that pain...
>
> That's why beer exists.
>
> Lew
>
>

I'm frew fo da day. After steaming for awhile I had the same idee. Now, 3.5
six packs later, I'm callin it a day. I'll git the damn nails tommorie.

Thinks for y'alls hep.

An yea I tipe better'n I spill, sepll, aw hell you know what I meen.

"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In article <[email protected]>, "JC"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>Bout a Porter Cable nailer from the great Home Depot. I asked for some
>>framing nails. The fellow give me a box of them and said this was what I
>>needed.
>
> And you believed him? :-)
>>
>>Well, I get back to the farm, some 80 miles away. Open up the owners
>>manual
>>and it tells me to use 22 degree round head nails. I look at the box and
>>it
>>is 30 degree full head nails.
>>
>>Question, will it make any difference if I use the 30 degree
>
> You can't, even if you try. They won't fit in the gun. But the bigger
> issue is
> clipped head vs. full head: if you try to shoot full-head nails in a
> clipped-head gun, you'll damage the gun.

Thanks much. Appreciate it. Back to the old Depot.

JC

JC wrote:
>

>
>
> None that are open on Sunday.

I've felt that pain...

"Lou" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On May 18, 9:58 pm, "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Lou" <[email protected]> wrote in message

>>
>> I really want to be there to watch the next time you screw up in that
>> human
>> sort of way. $100 right here and now says you don't hold yourself to the
>> same standard. Lots of talk...
>>
>> --
>>
>> -Mike-
>> [email protected]
>
> I'll take that bet anytime, anywhere. You're not worth a damn if you
> don't hold yourself to a high
> standard.

Yeah, seeking revenge and lowering yourself to a lower level sounds like the
kind of "High Standard" I can easily do with out.


The same goes for all of your crew, employee's even family.
> I don't make stupid mistakes
> that cost others that I'm not willing to take responsibility for and I
> don't let other walk away
> from it either. If you're not willing to take responsibility for what
> you do then you should sit at home.
> Lou

Yeah, I bet you are judge of all of that also.

JC wrote:
> None that are open on Sunday.

"B A R R Y" wrote:

> I've felt that pain...

That's why beer exists.

Lew

"JC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> Calm down everybody, I've solved the problem. Just before I called it a
> day yesterday, and after the 3.5 sixpacks of Bud, I thought to myself,
> this is not a problem. So, I loaded up the 30 degree nails into the 22
> degree nail gun, tilted the nail gun an additional 8 degrees and
> everything went fine.
>

Perfect!

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-Mike-
[email protected]

In article <[email protected]>, "JC" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Bout a Porter Cable nailer from the great Home Depot. I asked for some
>framing nails. The fellow give me a box of them and said this was what I
>needed.

And you believed him? :-)
>
>Well, I get back to the farm, some 80 miles away. Open up the owners manual
>and it tells me to use 22 degree round head nails. I look at the box and it
>is 30 degree full head nails.
>
>Question, will it make any difference if I use the 30 degree

You can't, even if you try. They won't fit in the gun. But the bigger issue is
clipped head vs. full head: if you try to shoot full-head nails in a
clipped-head gun, you'll damage the gun.

Mike Marlow wrote:

>> My bet is next time you will be sure before you leave to store!
>> You can not trust the droids at most any home store.
>> Greg
>
> Yeah - sometimes they are no better than the droids that come in there
> expecting them to know everything that they themselves don't know. Bet it
> said right on the box, the proper nails to use in the gun. Bet that wasn't
> enough...

Asking someone who works in a hardware store is the wrong approach if you
don't know yourself? Expecting people who do something for a living to know
what they're talking about is a poor policy? I grant you that believing
what anyone at Hell Depot says is a long shot, but that's more about how
poorly that company is run than it is about this particular customer's
wisdom.

On May 19, 9:33 am, "JC" <[email protected]> wrote SOMETHING:

RIGHT, HE SAID "ROUND" AND "FULL" (op)

And, if you have to drive 80 miles to find a Home Depot to save a few
bucks, you need be prepared to read the box and manual/instructions
yourself.

With what they pay HD/Lowes employees, expecting English Comprehension
is going a bit far!

In my experience the three words they find most difficult to express
are: 1. I, 2. Don't, 3. Know. A close second are the next four 1. But,
2. I'll, 3. Find, 4. Out (pardon me for counting contractions as a
single word.

I've had these guys go on for several minutes talking around the point
in response to a simple direct question.

But blaming them for selling you the wrong box of clearly-marked nails
is a stretch.

As someone else suggested, visit a nai/nail-gun distributor if you
need expert advice and intend to rely upon the information offered by
the employees. You will also be doing a solid for American Small
Business's

On May 18, 9:58 pm, "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:

> I really want to be there to watch the next time you screw up in that human
> sort of way. $100 right here and now says you don't hold yourself to the
> same standard. Lots of talk...

AMEN, Mike. No shit. That has ALWAYS been my experience in working
with vendors, employees, clients.... pretty much everyone. The more
intolerant, self righteous and indignant they get about someone else's
mistakes, the easier they are on themselves.

At least we didn't have to read the patented, copyrighted, "pimple
faced kid" story in that load of crap. He could have told a great
story of how he planned to humiliate and embarass some kid in an entry
level position.

Robert

On May 18, 12:28=A0pm, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:

> You can't, even if you try. They won't fit in the gun. But the bigger issu=
e is
> clipped head vs. full head: if you try to shoot full-head nails in a
> clipped-head gun, you'll damage the gun.


Not always.

My Paslode fires clipped or round.

"JC" wrote:


> Having been in the big corporate world, let me explain it to you.

BTDT, having been an employee of one of the Forbes top 5, which is why
I'm self employed these days.

> Now, I was with a very large nationwide insurance company and that's
> how we did it so you can imagaine how a lumber yard would do it.

If you are referring to Nationwide Ins, Columbus, Oh, having had a
couple of relatives who are agents, can probably swap lies with you on
an even basis<G>

Lew

"JC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Bout a Porter Cable nailer from the great Home Depot. I asked for some
> framing nails. The fellow give me a box of them and said this was what I
> needed.
>
> Well, I get back to the farm, some 80 miles away. Open up the owners
> manual and it tells me to use 22 degree round head nails. I look at the
> box and it is 30 degree full head nails.
>
> Question, will it make any difference if I use the 30 degree or should I
> be prepared to go back to Home Depot and give the manager a piece of my
> mind. AGAIN!
>
>
> --
> I'm JC and I approved this message.
>

My bet is next time you will be sure before you leave to store!
You can not trust the droids at most any home store.
Greg

"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Lou" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> On May 18, 9:58 pm, "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> "Lou" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>>>
>>> I really want to be there to watch the next time you screw up in that
>>> human
>>> sort of way. $100 right here and now says you don't hold yourself to
>>> the
>>> same standard. Lots of talk...
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> -Mike-
>>> [email protected]
>>
>> I'll take that bet anytime, anywhere. You're not worth a damn if you
>> don't hold yourself to a high
>> standard.
>
> Yeah, seeking revenge and lowering yourself to a lower level sounds like
> the kind of "High Standard" I can easily do with out.
>
>
> The same goes for all of your crew, employee's even family.
>> I don't make stupid mistakes
>> that cost others that I'm not willing to take responsibility for and I
>> don't let other walk away
>> from it either. If you're not willing to take responsibility for what
>> you do then you should sit at home.
>> Lou
>
> Yeah, I bet you are judge of all of that also.

Calm down everybody, I've solved the problem. Just before I called it a day
yesterday, and after the 3.5 sixpacks of Bud, I thought to myself, this is
not a problem. So, I loaded up the 30 degree nails into the 22 degree nail
gun, tilted the nail gun an additional 8 degrees and everything went fine.

JC

PS: Don't try this at home, especially when sober.

On Sun, 18 May 2008 15:46:37 GMT, "JC" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Bout a Porter Cable nailer from the great Home Depot. I asked for some
>framing nails. The fellow give me a box of them and said this was what I
>needed.
>
>Well, I get back to the farm, some 80 miles away. Open up the owners manual
>and it tells me to use 22 degree round head nails. I look at the box and it
>is 30 degree full head nails.
>
>Question, will it make any difference if I use the 30 degree or should I be
>prepared to go back to Home Depot and give the manager a piece of my mind.
>AGAIN!

Some nailers can use several different types of nails, most can't. If
yours doesn't say it can use 30 degree nails, I wouldn't use them.

You have NOWHERE that sells (or can get) framing nails, less than 80
miles away? Maybe a rental house, farm supply, hardware store, or
local lumber yard? 22 degree framing nails aren't exactly space
shuttle parts.

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"JC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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.
>
> Calm down everybody, I've solved the problem. Just before I called it a
> day yesterday, and after the 3.5 sixpacks of Bud, I thought to myself,
> this is not a problem. So, I loaded up the 30 degree nails into the 22
> degree nail gun, tilted the nail gun an additional 8 degrees and
> everything went fine.


LOL!

"Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On May 18, 12:28 pm, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:

> You can't, even if you try. They won't fit in the gun. But the bigger
> issue is
> clipped head vs. full head: if you try to shoot full-head nails in a
> clipped-head gun, you'll damage the gun.


Not always.

My Paslode fires clipped or round.


AND IIRC nothing was said about clipped head nails in the first place.

"JC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>
>
> Having been in the big corporate world, let me explain it to you. I can
> hire a high school drop out for 5.50 an hour. They'll work pretty hard
> looking for raises. So, I give them three bumps over the course of maybe
> 18 months. By that time they have reached their comfort level and we're
> not going to get any more out of them. So, it's much cheaper to let them
> go and start over again with a new high school drop out. Now, I was with a
> very large nationwide insurance company and that's how we did it so you
> can imagaine how a lumber yard would do it.
>
>

The insurance "corporate world" hiring high school drop outs explains a lot,
and confirmed many of my suspicions. I'm betting many of those drop outs
are in charge now.