On Saturday, October 17, 2015 at 8:08:47 PM UTC-5, SBH wrote:
> I'm willing to bet the same can be built for under a $100 or at the
> most, $150.
That's absolutely ludicrous. If that quality of work bench could be built for anywhere near $150, then every woodworker in the nation would have one.
You'd be lucky to purchase the lumber, for the build, for $150.
Sonny
My view is don't compare it to something/someone else's bench.
Salvaged (old) lumber to build a replica is a nominal cost, today - $250 ea=
sy. The vises, themselves, are worth at least $250 each, easy. The labor =
to make the dovetails is $250, each vise unit, easy. It's an antique. It =
has provenance, at least for his area.
The Op's question is: Is it worth the asking money? I vote yes, easy! Mak=
e a $50 less offer and see what happens.
Sonny
On Saturday, October 17, 2015 at 7:27:29 PM UTC-5, tdacon wrote:
>
> >Does anyone here think this is worth $750.00?
>
> Absolutely, to the right guy, who would be someone who appreciated the
> quality and the history in that old citizen. That end vise is magnificent. A
> careful cleanup, retaining the patina, could make it the centerpiece of a
> shop for a woodworker who was into antique tools.
>
> My guess is that it's not standing on the original base. Looks like someone
> stood it up on some 4x4 replacement legs and then nailed some 1x2's to them
> in a vain attempt to try to stabilize it. One would want to find some
> pictures of other examples and build a proper base for it. But it would be
> worth it, at least to me, even without a suitable base.
>
> Tom
I agree with Tom. The table top is the most important aspect, though I would inspect it to see if the legs are original. I think they are.
I think the asking price is more than reasonable and I would snap it up, in a heartbeat. The table, as a whole, is in great shape, for its age.
You rarely find these tables, anymore, especially in that condition. I'm surprised it's found on Craigslist, of all places!!!!
Sonny
On 10/17/2015 12:54 PM, Michael wrote:
> Does anyone here think this is worth $750.00?
>
> http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/atq/5272508328.html
>
Check Rockler:
http://www.rockler.com/workshop-accessories/workbenches-and-tops
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On Sat, 17 Oct 2015 16:39:56 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>http://www.harborfreight.com/60-in-4-drawer-hardwood-workbench-69054.html
No comparison between a modern chinese flat-pack workbench and an
antique american workbench, when it comes to "value" - particularly as
a piece of "art" or craftsmanship.
On Saturday, October 17, 2015 at 2:54:35 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote:
> Does anyone here think this is worth $750.00?
>=20
> http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/atq/5272508328.html
No, not at all. You can build one, if you buy your lumber at the yard and =
not a big box store, for not much more than $150. =20
Before any of you pooh pooh, I have a very solid red oak bench with 5x6 leg=
s (draw bored) and a 2.5" top (would have gone thicker, but it was as much =
as I could handle, weight wise - not having a lot of strong backs and weak =
minds available]) with a wagon vise and leg vise for about that much. I bo=
ught 150bf of 8/4 red oak and 150bf of 4/4 ash for $332.00 and had about 40=
-50bf (and all the ash) of the red oak left over . I got the 1x4" lead scr=
ew for the leg vise from the Surplus Center (with the nut) and the 1" flang=
ed bearings and that only cost about $35-40. A hand wheel from Grizzly for =
less than $10 +s/h finished it off.
On Saturday, October 17, 2015 at 2:54:35 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote:
> Does anyone here think this is worth $750.00?
>=20
> http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/atq/5272508328.html
If that bench was here, I'd pay that price. I, compared to others, may be=
more apt to pay a bit higher price, than it may be worth, because I like r=
are old tools. I would find some appropriate old lumber to repair it (bra=
cing) to it's proper vintage period. I think it's worth that price.
There's a similar early-to-mid 1800s work bench at the "Paul Micheals" (fur=
niture store), here, measures about 21' long, with vises, has similar lower=
(secondary, newer) bracing, for $1800. I'm considering buying it, but I =
don't quite have the space for it.... yet.
Building a replica is fine, but, to me, having an original is much preferre=
d. That one is in much better shape, than the Paul Micheals one. The PM=
one seems to have been left out in the weather for some (good?) while.
Sonny
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> Does anyone here think this is worth $750.00?
>
> http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/atq/5272508328.html
It's likely an antique--the company was doing business around 1900. As
such it's worth what somebody is willing to pay for it. $750 would not
be an unreasonable asking price, but if the owner knows the market and
how people deal they expect to get less.
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> On Sat, 17 Oct 2015 16:39:56 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Michael wrote:
> >
> >> Does anyone here think this is worth $750.00?
> >>
> >> http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/atq/5272508328.html
> >
> >Not at all the same bench, but this does give a basis for comparison
> >
> >http://www.harborfreight.com/60-in-4-drawer-hardwood-workbench-69054.html
> The Scandi Plus 1825 or the Elite 2000 from Rockler are much more
> equivalent in concept - and look at the prices!!!
And they are much lighter benches than the one on Craigslist.
On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 6:43:38 PM UTC-5, Dan Kozar wrote:
>
> > No, not at all. You can build one, if you buy your lumber at the yard and
> > not a big box store, for not much more than $150.
> >
>
> Don't know where you get your wood or what species. But when I built
> mine out of kd 8/4 red oak for the base, and kd 8/4 hard maple for the
> top, the cost of the wood at the mill was $550.00 . The top is 6' long
> 30" wide, and 2.5" thick. Plus 2 vises. So $750.00 doesn't sound out of
> line to me.
But look at the legs on that bench. They are small and the cross braces look either poorly done or an after thought.
Besides, who would buy when they can have the fun of building. After all, we are woodworkers, right ?
On Monday, October 19, 2015 at 6:50:58 AM UTC-5, Dr. Deb wrote:
> On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 6:43:38 PM UTC-5, Dan Kozar wrote:
> >
> >
> > > No, not at all. You can build one, if you buy your lumber at the yard and
> > > not a big box store, for not much more than $150.
> > >
> >
> > Don't know where you get your wood or what species. But when I built
> > mine out of kd 8/4 red oak for the base, and kd 8/4 hard maple for the
> > top, the cost of the wood at the mill was $550.00 . The top is 6' long
> > 30" wide, and 2.5" thick. Plus 2 vises. So $750.00 doesn't sound out of
> > line to me.
>
>
> But look at the legs on that bench. They are small and the cross braces look either poorly done or an after thought.
>
> Besides, who would buy when they can have the fun of building. After all, we are woodworkers, right ?
These are my thoughts at the end of the day. I'm going to keep an eye out for some vintage old vices (the kind for woodworking) and go from there.
Thanks for the comments!
On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 6:43:38 PM UTC-5, Dan Kozar wrote:
>
>
> > No, not at all. You can build one, if you buy your lumber at the yard and
> > not a big box store, for not much more than $150.
> >
>
> Don't know where you get your wood or what species. But when I built
> mine out of kd 8/4 red oak for the base, and kd 8/4 hard maple for the
> top, the cost of the wood at the mill was $550.00 . The top is 6' long
> 30" wide, and 2.5" thick. Plus 2 vises. So $750.00 doesn't sound out of
> line to me.
But look at the legs on that bench. They are small and the cross braces look either poorly done or an after thought.
Besides, who would buy when they can have the fun of building. After all, we are woodworkers, right ?
In article <[email protected]>,
"Dr. Deb" <[email protected]> wrote:
> No, not at all. You can build one, if you buy your lumber at the yard and
> not a big box store, for not much more than $150.
>
Don't know where you get your wood or what species. But when I built
mine out of kd 8/4 red oak for the base, and kd 8/4 hard maple for the
top, the cost of the wood at the mill was $550.00 . The top is 6' long
30" wide, and 2.5" thick. Plus 2 vises. So $750.00 doesn't sound out of
line to me.
In article <[email protected]>,
Michael <[email protected]> wrote:
> http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/atq/5272508328.html
I doubt that you could build one for less than that, however it looks
like the base needs some repairs. Probably loose joints as evidenced by
the newer bracing, which might be grounds for negotiating.
On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 9:37:41 AM UTC-5, woodchucker wrote:
>=20
> Could be.
> I would never use it for a kitchen island, but it's a nice old bench,=20
> that needs some work in the leg area.
>=20
> --=20
> Jeff
The required leg work likely would allow for negotiating a reduction in pri=
ce, by maybe $200-$300.
If Michael has ideas of using it in his shop and has the space, maybe negot=
iating a bundled price for that cabinet (last pic, behind the work bench) i=
s an option, also, depending on the condition of the cabinet, $600-$800 for=
both? The guy selling the work bench has several other items listed, als=
o. Help him declutter his "storage building/barn".
Compare that work bench to this one!? =20
http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/atq/5269686714.html
Sonny
On 10/17/2015 2:54 PM, Michael wrote:
> Does anyone here think this is worth $750.00?
>
> http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/atq/5272508328.html
Would you pay that much for a workhorse with no legs?
That's what it is ...
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On Sat, 17 Oct 2015 12:54:30 -0700 (PDT), Michael
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Does anyone here think this is worth $750.00?
>
>http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/atq/5272508328.html
As a workbench? Not likely.
As an "antique" or a novelty - to the right person, undoubtably. Might
take a while to find that "right person" but they are out there.
Michael wrote:
> Does anyone here think this is worth $750.00?
>
> http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/atq/5272508328.html
Not at all the same bench, but this does give a basis for comparison
http://www.harborfreight.com/60-in-4-drawer-hardwood-workbench-69054.html
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Dan Kozar wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Michael <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/atq/5272508328.html
>
> I doubt that you could build one for less than that, however it looks
> like the base needs some repairs. Probably loose joints as evidenced
> by the newer bracing, which might be grounds for negotiating.
Never thought about building one of these, and certainly never priced
materials out for one, but it would really surprise me if you couldn't build
one for a lot less than that. But then - I've been surprised before.
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[email protected] wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Oct 2015 12:54:30 -0700 (PDT), Michael
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone here think this is worth $750.00?
>>
>> http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/atq/5272508328.html
> As a workbench? Not likely.
> As an "antique" or a novelty - to the right person, undoubtably. Might
> take a while to find that "right person" but they are out there.
If the top was flat, and the location was here, I could probably come up
with a five or six hundred dollar offer. I would enjoy long after I
forgot about the money (probably you too?).
Bill
[email protected] wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Oct 2015 16:39:56 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> http://www.harborfreight.com/60-in-4-drawer-hardwood-workbench-69054.html
> No comparison between a modern chinese flat-pack workbench and an
> antique american workbench, when it comes to "value" - particularly as
> a piece of "art" or craftsmanship.
Of course not. You snipped what I had written, but I stated that. This was
just a comparison data point. I have no idea what the OP is actually
looking for.
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[email protected]
[email protected] wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Oct 2015 16:39:56 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Michael wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone here think this is worth $750.00?
>>>
>>> http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/atq/5272508328.html
>>
>> Not at all the same bench, but this does give a basis for comparison
>>
>> http://www.harborfreight.com/60-in-4-drawer-hardwood-workbench-69054.html
> The Scandi Plus 1825 or the Elite 2000 from Rockler are much more
> equivalent in concept - and look at the prices!!!
Part of that is because it's Rockler - not exactly known for reasonable
prices.
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"Michael" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>Does anyone here think this is worth $750.00?
Absolutely, to the right guy, who would be someone who appreciated the
quality and the history in that old citizen. That end vise is magnificent. A
careful cleanup, retaining the patina, could make it the centerpiece of a
shop for a woodworker who was into antique tools.
My guess is that it's not standing on the original base. Looks like someone
stood it up on some 4x4 replacement legs and then nailed some 1x2's to them
in a vain attempt to try to stabilize it. One would want to find some
pictures of other examples and build a proper base for it. But it would be
worth it, at least to me, even without a suitable base.
Tom
On 10/17/2015 3:54 PM, Michael wrote:
> Does anyone here think this is worth $750.00?
>
> http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/atq/5272508328.html
>
I'm willing to bet the same can be built for under a $100 or at the
most, $150. The difference is the "antique" label. If I'm building a
workbench, I'm building it to use, not to admire as art. If someone
wants to pay the asking price, then it's worth it to them. I'd rather
it'd be functional.
On 10/17/2015 9:37 PM, Sonny wrote:
> On Saturday, October 17, 2015 at 8:08:47 PM UTC-5, SBH wrote:
>
>> I'm willing to bet the same can be built for under a $100 or at the
>> most, $150.
>
> That's absolutely ludicrous. If that quality of work bench could be built for anywhere near $150, then every woodworker in the nation would have one.
>
> You'd be lucky to purchase the lumber, for the build, for $150.
>
> Sonny
>
It's a pieced together wood top supported by 4x4s with 1x2 or 1x3 cross
supports. Seriously? Because it's old wood it's more expensive? The
labor would be more expensive but IMO, still not worth the asking price
except to someone who wants to pay it.
On Sat, 17 Oct 2015 21:56:45 -0400, Meanie wrote:
> It's a pieced together wood top supported by 4x4s with 1x2 or 1x3 cross
> supports. Seriously? Because it's old wood it's more expensive? The
> labor would be more expensive but IMO, still not worth the asking price
> except to someone who wants to pay it.
Have you priced vise mechanisms lately? And I'm guessing it's probably
hardwood, at least the top.
On 10/17/15 4:44 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Oct 2015 12:54:30 -0700 (PDT), Michael
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone here think this is worth $750.00?
>>
>> http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/atq/5272508328.html
> As a workbench? Not likely.
> As an "antique" or a novelty - to the right person, undoubtably. Might
> take a while to find that "right person" but they are out there.
>
That's what I was going to say.
As an antique, maybe. I'm not an antique expert.
As a workbench, helz no. You could build a pretty sweet-@$$ workbench
for $750.
I'd be interested in seeing the vice hardware, however.
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Larry Blanchard wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Oct 2015 21:56:45 -0400, Meanie wrote:
>
>> It's a pieced together wood top supported by 4x4s with 1x2 or 1x3
>> cross supports. Seriously? Because it's old wood it's more
>> expensive? The labor would be more expensive but IMO, still not
>> worth the asking price except to someone who wants to pay it.
>
> Have you priced vise mechanisms lately? And I'm guessing it's
> probably hardwood, at least the top.
I hate you guys that post stuff like this. Your post sent me off to YouTube
to check different vices for a workbench, and about 3 hours later...
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On 10/17/2015 7:27 PM, tdacon wrote:
>
> "Michael" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> Does anyone here think this is worth $750.00?
>
> Absolutely, to the right guy, who would be someone who appreciated the
> quality and the history in that old citizen. That end vise is
> magnificent. A careful cleanup, retaining the patina, could make it the
> centerpiece of a shop for a woodworker who was into antique tools.
>
> My guess is that it's not standing on the original base. Looks like
> someone stood it up on some 4x4 replacement legs and then nailed some
> 1x2's to them in a vain attempt to try to stabilize it. One would want
> to find some pictures of other examples and build a proper base for it.
> But it would be worth it, at least to me, even without a suitable base.
I agree it certainly doesn't look complete and needing the cobbled up 1x
tacked to the legs to stiffen it up makes me also think the legs aren't
original.
I blew up the image in the browser but by the time could focus on the
joint area of the forefront leg behind the vice the image was so blurry
couldn't really tell anything useful.
If it were within a handy drive I'd be sorely tempted to make an offer
altho agree it needs some adjustment probably to compensate for the legs
to make it usable as a bench.
I agree that realistically, the provenance and quality of the top/vices
_should_ make it worth that or near it; finding the right buyer in
present condition may be a trick...the really nice thing about these
benches if wanting it to actually use is you can reflatten the top; it
was normal expected maintenance to do so periodically. If one wants it
as a museum piece instead, then the patina and all is the value, not the
functional ability.
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On Sat, 17 Oct 2015 12:54:30 -0700 (PDT)
Michael <[email protected]> wrote:
> Does anyone here think this is worth $750.00?
pricing is a complicated topic
i would not pay that
but in the proper catalog it could probably be listed for 7500 and get
sold
craigslist is not a high-end sales venue
buy it and flip it for 1500 to an architectural designer in nyc
On Sat, 17 Oct 2015 16:39:56 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Michael wrote:
>
>> Does anyone here think this is worth $750.00?
>>
>> http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/atq/5272508328.html
>
>Not at all the same bench, but this does give a basis for comparison
>
>http://www.harborfreight.com/60-in-4-drawer-hardwood-workbench-69054.html
The Scandi Plus 1825 or the Elite 2000 from Rockler are much more
equivalent in concept - and look at the prices!!!