I have decided to purchase a tilting HCM from General International. The
first choice is the new 75-050T, but I could convince myself that I need
75-075M1. These days, my preference is to purchase all my tools through
internet. I didn't find any vendor who could take my order on their web
page. I did send email to two vendors, but have not received any reply.
Question, who I should contact to purchase GI 75-0XXX from a store near to
Philadelphia or from internet?
Cheers, Ollie
"Rich" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Make sure you get the round mortise attachment, its sweet.
Is this where I'm sposed to chuckle?
SH - because I did.
"Ollie" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I have decided to purchase a tilting HCM from General International. The
> first choice is the new 75-050T, but I could convince myself that I need
> 75-075M1. These days, my preference is to purchase all my tools through
> internet. I didn't find any vendor who could take my order on their web
> page. I did send email to two vendors, but have not received any reply.
>
> Question, who I should contact to purchase GI 75-0XXX from a store near to
> Philadelphia or from internet?
>
> Cheers, Ollie
Try Utter guys. Their website is pretty bad and you will most likely
never get an invoice but aside from that they're great and have good
prices
Ollie wrote:
>
> Paul,
>
> What would be your personal preference if you could have only x-y table or
> tilting but not both? I do understand that it depends on the projects that
> you are doing. If you own the 75-075M1, I would like to hear your summary
> review. What are the pros and cons?
>
I've got the General International 75-075M1 and if I could only have
the
XY table or the tilting head I'd take the XY table even without the
swingable
fence. Makes set up and fine tuning so much easier.
Here's a link to the first of three pages on the 75-075M1 with some
comparisons with the PM 719A which does not have the tilting head
or the swing fence.
http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/Mortiser.html
The PM has one nice feature - the hold in has a quick release/
quick lock mechanism, the General International doesn't. If you
do a lot of different width/thickness parts, the quick release would
be handy but not a deal breaker.
The PM's depth stop is better/more reliable than the 75-075M1,
which uses a collar with a bolt that is screwed against a bar and
must rely on friction. Mine slips when I honk down on the handle/
arm.
Whichever way you go
1. Do some honing/polishing on the chisels and bits before
using
2. Learn how to set the bit to chisel gap
(here's The Forty Cent Method)
http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/MChiselBitSettingTrick.html
3. None of the machines/jigs out there for mortising
will do everything that you want to do M&T joints in/on
That's why there's the Leigh FMT, the various versions
of The WoodRat and a host of home made jigs out there.
Here's one that's fairly easy to make and is pretty
versatile.
http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/LooseTenonJig/LooseTenonJig1.html
So many types of joints, so many ways to cut them ...
Fun this woodworking thing.
charlie b
Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> On 17 Jul 2004 11:16:39 -0700, [email protected] (WillaimC) calmly
> ranted:
>
> >"Ollie" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> >> I have decided to purchase a tilting HCM from General International. The
> >> first choice is the new 75-050T, but I could convince myself that I need
> >> 75-075M1. These days, my preference is to purchase all my tools through
> >> internet. I didn't find any vendor who could take my order on their web
> >> page. I did send email to two vendors, but have not received any reply.
> >>
> >> Question, who I should contact to purchase GI 75-0XXX from a store near to
> >> Philadelphia or from internet?
> >>
> >> Cheers, Ollie
> >
> >Try Utter guys. Their website is pretty bad and you will most likely
> >never get an invoice but aside from that they're great and have good
> >prices
>
> Also check http://www.toolseeker.com/
>
> Store Price Shipping Tax Buy Info
> Tools-Plus.com $799 $6.50 CT only
>
> - This product cruelly tested on defenseless furry animals -
> --------------------------------------------------------
> http://diversify.com Web App & Database Programming
If you can swing it financially definitely get the General with the
x-y table ( I can't remember the model number even though I own one )
You will experience an epiphany the first time you cut a long mortise
and don't have to unclamp the piece and then clean out the wood chips
that always seem to fall between the wood piece and the table. Pure
bliss!
Also, I can vouch for Tools-Plus. They have great service. I have made
a few large machine purchases there and the one time that I had a
problem they speedily and cheerfully rectified it.
"Ollie" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Paul,
>
> What would be your personal preference if you could have only x-y table or
> tilting but not both? I do understand that it depends on the projects that
> you are doing. If you own the 75-075M1, I would like to hear your summary
> review. What are the pros and cons?
>
> ++ Ollie
>
> "PSobon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > If you can swing it financially definitely get the General with the
> > x-y table ( I can't remember the model number even though I own one )
> > You will experience an epiphany the first time you cut a long mortise
> > and don't have to unclamp the piece and then clean out the wood chips
> > that always seem to fall between the wood piece and the table. Pure
> > bliss!
> >
> > Also, I can vouch for Tools-Plus. They have great service. I have made
> > a few large machine purchases there and the one time that I had a
> > problem they speedily and cheerfully rectified it.
Ollie,
I would absolutely pick the x-y table feature over the tilting column
feature. Before I bought I looked at a few other mortisers and it was
the precision and features of the General table that sealed the deal.
The other model that I seriously considered was the Powermatic (719?).
I ruled that one out because the hold down clamp wasn't angled to the
back fence and I thought that it would not hold pieces as effectively.
Having a precise x-y table where you don't ever have to reposition the
piece in the clamp for successive cuts has really speeded up my
production and also lowered my blood pressure.
The tilting column feature is nice but I have only used it a couple of
times. A simple jig would probably accomplish the same thing. The
table also has a back fence that swings but I have never used that
feature. Hope this helps some in your decision.
Make sure you get the round mortise attachment, its sweet.
Rich
"Ollie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I have decided to purchase a tilting HCM from General International. The
> first choice is the new 75-050T, but I could convince myself that I need
> 75-075M1. These days, my preference is to purchase all my tools through
> internet. I didn't find any vendor who could take my order on their web
> page. I did send email to two vendors, but have not received any reply.
>
> Question, who I should contact to purchase GI 75-0XXX from a store near to
> Philadelphia or from internet?
>
> Cheers, Ollie
>
>
>
>
In article <[email protected]>,
Ollie <[email protected]> wrote:
>Paul,
>
>What would be your personal preference if you could have only x-y table or
>tilting but not both? I do understand that it depends on the projects that
>you are doing. If you own the 75-075M1, I would like to hear your summary
>review. What are the pros and cons?
>
The tilting head and swinging fence aren't really necessary for most
of us - they're just icing on the cake. The x-y table is the real
advantage of the larger mortisers like the General or PM719. I got
to try out both at my local dealer and both are great machines. They
were within $50 of each other so it could have gone either way. Since
they're essentially equals in every respect, including price, I figured
I might as well have the tilting head and rotating fence of the General
for those rare occasions when those features would be useful.
I stepped up to the General from an old Delta benchtop. The Delta got
the job done but it wasn't exactly pleasureable to use - crappy hold
down, having to move the workpiece between plunges, limited plunge
depth, inability to work thinner stock without shimming under it, no
adjustable stops for doing duplicates, etc.
The General is a joy to use. Kinda like owning a cabinet saw after
putting up with a benchtop tablesaw.
--
Scott Post [email protected] http://home.insightbb.com/~sepost/
Rich,
Are you happy with your Jet HCM? I was not aware that Jet had a tilting
HCM. What is the model number and price?
++ Ollie
"Rich" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I have the Jet.
>
> "Ollie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Where did you purchase your HCM?
> >
> > "Rich" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Make sure you get the round mortise attachment, its sweet.
> > >
> > > Rich
> > >
> > > "Ollie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > I have decided to purchase a tilting HCM from General International.
> > The
> > > > first choice is the new 75-050T, but I could convince myself that I
> need
> > > > 75-075M1. These days, my preference is to purchase all my tools
> through
> > > > internet. I didn't find any vendor who could take my order on their
> web
> > > > page. I did send email to two vendors, but have not received any
> reply.
> > > >
> > > > Question, who I should contact to purchase GI 75-0XXX from a store
> near
> > to
> > > > Philadelphia or from internet?
> > > >
> > > > Cheers, Ollie
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
I have the Jet.
"Ollie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Where did you purchase your HCM?
>
> "Rich" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Make sure you get the round mortise attachment, its sweet.
> >
> > Rich
> >
> > "Ollie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > I have decided to purchase a tilting HCM from General International.
> The
> > > first choice is the new 75-050T, but I could convince myself that I
need
> > > 75-075M1. These days, my preference is to purchase all my tools
through
> > > internet. I didn't find any vendor who could take my order on their
web
> > > page. I did send email to two vendors, but have not received any
reply.
> > >
> > > Question, who I should contact to purchase GI 75-0XXX from a store
near
> to
> > > Philadelphia or from internet?
> > >
> > > Cheers, Ollie
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
Where did you purchase your HCM?
"Rich" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Make sure you get the round mortise attachment, its sweet.
>
> Rich
>
> "Ollie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I have decided to purchase a tilting HCM from General International.
The
> > first choice is the new 75-050T, but I could convince myself that I need
> > 75-075M1. These days, my preference is to purchase all my tools through
> > internet. I didn't find any vendor who could take my order on their web
> > page. I did send email to two vendors, but have not received any reply.
> >
> > Question, who I should contact to purchase GI 75-0XXX from a store near
to
> > Philadelphia or from internet?
> >
> > Cheers, Ollie
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Jet now sell a mortiser that is essentially the Powermatic unit with a
tilting table rather then a tilting head and no swing on the table. When I
first saw the advertisements for the Jet the pictures looked liked the
tilting head General/Bridgewood with a swing table. When I actually got a
chance to see one in person it had changed. I was in the immediate market
for one and my local general dealer was out of the General unit so I bought
the Jet. It was a pain to set up as the holes on the unit did not line up
exactly with the holes on the base and it took a few clamps to convince the
base to cooperate. I've set up heaver equipment but this one was really hard
to wrestle up on its base. The base cabinet is the same as the Powermatic
and you could of course mount it on something else. The XY movement was
really stiff and I had to loosen some of the gib screws. I squared
everything up (it was pretty close) and the unit seems to work fine. I did
invest in a good set of chisels as the unit doesn't ship with any. I paid
somewhere around $750 total, not counting the chisels, I think the unit is
worth the money.
"charlie b" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ollie wrote:
> >
> > Paul,
> >
> > What would be your personal preference if you could have only x-y table
or
> > tilting but not both? I do understand that it depends on the projects
that
> > you are doing. If you own the 75-075M1, I would like to hear your
summary
> > review. What are the pros and cons?
> >
>
> I've got the General International 75-075M1 and if I could only have
> the
> XY table or the tilting head I'd take the XY table even without the
> swingable
> fence. Makes set up and fine tuning so much easier.
>
> Here's a link to the first of three pages on the 75-075M1 with some
> comparisons with the PM 719A which does not have the tilting head
> or the swing fence.
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/Mortiser.html
>
> The PM has one nice feature - the hold in has a quick release/
> quick lock mechanism, the General International doesn't. If you
> do a lot of different width/thickness parts, the quick release would
> be handy but not a deal breaker.
>
> The PM's depth stop is better/more reliable than the 75-075M1,
> which uses a collar with a bolt that is screwed against a bar and
> must rely on friction. Mine slips when I honk down on the handle/
> arm.
>
> Whichever way you go
> 1. Do some honing/polishing on the chisels and bits before
> using
> 2. Learn how to set the bit to chisel gap
> (here's The Forty Cent Method)
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/MChiselBitSettingTrick.html
>
> 3. None of the machines/jigs out there for mortising
> will do everything that you want to do M&T joints in/on
> That's why there's the Leigh FMT, the various versions
> of The WoodRat and a host of home made jigs out there.
> Here's one that's fairly easy to make and is pretty
> versatile.
> http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/LooseTenonJig/LooseTenonJig1.html
>
> So many types of joints, so many ways to cut them ...
> Fun this woodworking thing.
>
> charlie b
Paul,
What would be your personal preference if you could have only x-y table or
tilting but not both? I do understand that it depends on the projects that
you are doing. If you own the 75-075M1, I would like to hear your summary
review. What are the pros and cons?
++ Ollie
"PSobon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> If you can swing it financially definitely get the General with the
> x-y table ( I can't remember the model number even though I own one )
> You will experience an epiphany the first time you cut a long mortise
> and don't have to unclamp the piece and then clean out the wood chips
> that always seem to fall between the wood piece and the table. Pure
> bliss!
>
> Also, I can vouch for Tools-Plus. They have great service. I have made
> a few large machine purchases there and the one time that I had a
> problem they speedily and cheerfully rectified it.
On 17 Jul 2004 11:16:39 -0700, [email protected] (WillaimC) calmly
ranted:
>"Ollie" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>> I have decided to purchase a tilting HCM from General International. The
>> first choice is the new 75-050T, but I could convince myself that I need
>> 75-075M1. These days, my preference is to purchase all my tools through
>> internet. I didn't find any vendor who could take my order on their web
>> page. I did send email to two vendors, but have not received any reply.
>>
>> Question, who I should contact to purchase GI 75-0XXX from a store near to
>> Philadelphia or from internet?
>>
>> Cheers, Ollie
>
>Try Utter guys. Their website is pretty bad and you will most likely
>never get an invoice but aside from that they're great and have good
>prices
Also check http://www.toolseeker.com/
Store Price Shipping Tax Buy Info
Tools-Plus.com $799 $6.50 CT only
- This product cruelly tested on defenseless furry animals -
--------------------------------------------------------
http://diversify.com Web App & Database Programming
Ollie,
It does not tilt! I was not paying attention to your subject line. sorry
bout that.
"Ollie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Rich,
>
> Are you happy with your Jet HCM? I was not aware that Jet had a tilting
> HCM. What is the model number and price?
>
> ++ Ollie
>
> "Rich" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I have the Jet.
> >
> > "Ollie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Where did you purchase your HCM?
> > >
> > > "Rich" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > Make sure you get the round mortise attachment, its sweet.
> > > >
> > > > Rich
> > > >
> > > > "Ollie" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > I have decided to purchase a tilting HCM from General
International.
> > > The
> > > > > first choice is the new 75-050T, but I could convince myself that
I
> > need
> > > > > 75-075M1. These days, my preference is to purchase all my tools
> > through
> > > > > internet. I didn't find any vendor who could take my order on
their
> > web
> > > > > page. I did send email to two vendors, but have not received any
> > reply.
> > > > >
> > > > > Question, who I should contact to purchase GI 75-0XXX from a store
> > near
> > > to
> > > > > Philadelphia or from internet?
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers, Ollie
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>