I'm interested in buying a cordless drill/driver. My recent purchase
of a 12 volt Makita has left a very bad taste in my mouth, the drill
was very cheaply made (not the pro line) and it wouldn't keep a drill
bit or driver tight, no matter what I did. I've returned in under
their 30 day customer satisfaction policy and now I'm shopping again.
I think the Bosch 14.4 Brute-Tough will fit my needs. Any ideas??
Buy it and give us some peace.
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 21:13:11 -0500, Jay Pique <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Egads! "there", not "their" and "you're" not "your"
>
>JP
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 00:17:31 GMT, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:36:03 -0600, Lawrence A. Ramsey
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>That "lifetime wrranty" is for the lifetime of the tool-not you.
>>
>
>
>and i think you will find it wont cover the batteries when they were
>out either. it only covers them if they like explode or something or
>other. wearing out IS the life time of the tool. skeez
Nope - batteries are covered. It was discussed in another thread per
my google search (http://tinyurl.com/vrui). WRT to "the lifetime of
the tool" I don't know WTF that means, but I'd have to argue hard that
since they say they cover "normal wear items" it gives you a pretty
broad base from which to argue.
I'm sure some of the old farts around here have drills that are 20+
years old.
JP
NOTE: This is VERY long and boring and specifically relates to the
RIDGID powertool warranty now going on at Home Depot. You've been
warned!
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 19:06:21 -0500, Trent© <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 21:55:21 -0500, Jay Pique <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 00:17:31 GMT, "[email protected]"
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:36:03 -0600, Lawrence A. Ramsey
>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>That "lifetime wrranty" is for the lifetime of the tool-not you.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>and i think you will find it wont cover the batteries when they were
>>>out either. it only covers them if they like explode or something or
>>>other. wearing out IS the life time of the tool. skeez
>>
>>Nope - batteries are covered. It was discussed in another thread per
>>my google search (http://tinyurl.com/vrui). WRT to "the lifetime of
>>the tool" I don't know WTF that means, but I'd have to argue hard that
>>since they say they cover "normal wear items" it gives you a pretty
>>broad base from which to argue.
>
>Are you saying that you have the right to ARGUE about the
>batteries?...for the life of the drill.
Indeed! Arguing is a god given right - especially on Usenet, where
the most vehement are frequently the most often wrong.
>Or is there some specific language that says IMPLICITLY that they will
>replace a battery that has simply gotten old.
Stopped by HD in Camillus, NY and picked up a Ridgid flyer that has
photos and specs on a bunch of different tools both corded and
cordless. The flyer has the following language on page 3.....
<quote>
Introductory limited LIFETIME SERVICE WARRANTY* on all RIDGID handheld
and stationary power tools purchased from Sept. through Dec. 2003 plus
our 90-DAY SATISFACTION GUARANTEE*
- LIMITED TIME OFFER: On all purchases of RIDGID Hand and Stationary
Power Tools from September 1 through December 31, 2003!
- Don't miss this chance to receive a life time of service* on these
power tools designed to be used "day after day".
- This lifetime service warranty* covers all defects in workmanship or
materials AND NORMAL WEAR ITEMS. (emphasis added)
- THAT MEANS FREE BATTERY PACKS FOR LIFE. (emphasis added)
- PLUS: our 90-DAY SATISFACTION GUARANTEE POLICY*. Our commitment to
you that these tools will perform to your requirements.
- Remeber to hold on to your receipt! Proof of purchase must be
presented when requesting the limited Lifetime Warranty Service and to
participate in the 90-day Satisfaction Guarantee Policy.
* see details by visiting www.ridgid.com or by calling 1-866-539-1710
</quote>
I went to www.ridgid.com and was initially unable to find the correct
warranty when I went to >Support>Warranty>RIDGID Power Tools Warranty
That link directed me to http://www.ridgid.com/manuals/RIDGID3yr.pdf
The title of that warranty is "RIDGID HAND HELD AND STATIONARY POWER
TOOL LIMITED THREE YEAR WARRANTY AND 90-DAY SATISFACTION GUARANTEE
POLICY"
I was indeed a bit dismayed to see the three year limitation in the
actual text. In digging around their site a bit, I ended up in their
Forums section, did a search on "home depot warranty" and saw this
post -
http://www.ridgid.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=19;t=000023#000004
Within that post, their was a link given to the CORRECT warranty as
follows -
http://www.ridgid.com/newsite/manuals/LifetimeServiceWarranty.pdf
The title of this - the correct warranty - is "RIDGID HAND HELD AND
STATIONARY POWER TOOL LIMITED LIFETIME SERVICE WARRANTY"
Now, I do have to say that I do NOT think it is possible to find or
get to that link by simply navigating the www.ridgid.com website.
Other than doing a search on their Forums section and then clicking on
the above referenced link within the post, I have been unable to find
that link. Odd, I'd say. And indeed, that is in large part why I'm
wasting so much time writing this.
<deep breath> In any event, the germane sections of the warranty are
as follow:
WHAT IS COVERED UNDER THE LIMITED LIFETIME SERVICE WARRANTY
This warranty covers all defects in workmanship or materials and
normal wear items in this RIDGID tool for the lifetime of the tool.
This warranty is specific to this tool purchased between 9/1/03 and
12/31/03.
WHAT IS NOT COVERED
This warranty applies only to the original purchaser at retail and may
not be transferred. This warranty only covers defects arising under
normal usage and does not cover any malfunction, failure or defect
resulting from misuse, abuse, neglect, alteration, modification or
repair by other than an authorized service center for RIDGID branded
hand held and stationary power tools. Consumable accessories provided
with the tool such as, but not limited to, blades, bits and sand paper
are not covered.
Now, I (personally) would say that batteries are "normal wear items"
and not "consumable accessories provided with the tool" - especially
in light of what was written in the Ridgid flyer that I picked up at
Home Depot. To wit "That means free battery packs for life."
In light of all that - I'd say your covered, and that Ridgid/Home
Depot will really hear about it to the tune of a class action lawsuit
in the event that they don't honor the battery replacement commitment.
Litigiously,
JP
***********************
Lawyer turned ski-bum turned aspiring woodworker.
(aka "Desperately seeking the bottom of the food chain"?)
>I'd like to see the language...in the warranty and NOT from the
>salesman's mouth...that says batteries will be replaced when they get
>old.
For your edification, the complete text of said warranty:
RIDGID. HAND HELD AND STATIONARY POWER TOOL
LIMITED LIFETIME SERVICE WARRANTY
Proof of purchase must be presented when requesting warranty service.
Limited to RIDGID handheld and stationary power tools purchased
between 09/01/03 and 12/31/03.
This product is manufactured by One World Technologies, Inc., under a
trademark license from RIDGID, Inc. All warranty communications
should be directed to One World Technologies, Inc., attn: RIDGID
handheld and stationary power tool technical service at (toll free)
1-866-539-1710.
90- DAY SATISFACTION GUARANTEE POLICY
During the first 90 days after the date of purchase, if you are
dissatisfied with the performance of this RIDGID tool for any reason
you may return the tool to the dealer from which it was purchased for
a full refund or exchange. To receive a replacement tool you must
present proof of purchase and return all original equipment packaged
with the original product. The replacement tool will be covered by
the limited warranty for the balance of the LIFETIME service warranty
period.
WHAT IS COVERED UNDER THE LIMITED LIFETIME SERVICE WARRANTY
This warranty covers all defects in workmanship or materials and
normal wear items in this RIDGID tool for the lifetime of the tool.
This warranty is specific to this tool purchased between 9/1/03 and
12/31/03. Warranties for other RIDGID products may vary.
HOW TO OBTAIN SERVICE
To obtain service for this RIDGID tool you must return it, freight
prepaid, to an authorized service center for RIDGID branded hand held
and stationary power tools. You may obtain the location of the
authorized service center nearest you by calling (toll free)
1-866-539-1710 or by logging on to the RIDGID website at
www.ridgid.com. When requesting warranty service, you must present
the proof of purchase documentation, which includes a date of
purchase. The authorized service center will repair any faulty
workmanship, and either repair or replace any part covered under the
warranty, at our option at no charge to you.
WHAT IS NOT COVERED
This warranty applies only to the original purchaser at retail and may
not be transferred. This warranty only covers defects arising under
normal usage and does not cover any malfunction, failure or defect
resulting from misuse, abuse, neglect, alteration, modification or
repair by other than an authorized service center for RIDGID branded
hand held and stationary power tools. Consumable accessories provided
with the tool such as, but not limited to, blades, bits and sand paper
are not covered.
RIDGID, INC. AND ONE WORLD TECHNOLOGIES, INC. MAKE NO WARRANTIES,
REPRESENTATIONS OR PROMISES AS TO THE QUALITY OR PERFORMANCE
OF ITS POWER TOOLS OTHER THAN THOSE SPECIFICALLY STATED IN THIS
WARRANTY.
ADDITIONAL LIMITATIONS
To the extent permitted by applicable law, all implied warranties,
including warranties of MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR
PURPOSE, are disclaimed. Any implied warranties, including warranties
of merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose, that cannot be
disclaimed under state law are limited to three years from the date of
purchase. One World Technologies, Inc. and Ridgid, Inc. are not
responsible for direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages.
Some states do not allow limitations on how long an implied warranty
lasts and/or do not allow the exclusion or limitation of incidental or
consequential damages, so the above limitations may not apply to you.
This warranty gives you specific legal rights, and you may also have
other rights which vary from state to state.
Mike in Mystic wrote:
>
> I have a Milwaukee 14.4 volt cordless and it's wonderful. I just used the
> heck out of it drilling dog holes in my workbench top (3 layers of 3/4" MDF
> and a top skin of 1/4" masonite). I drilled a total of 58 dog holes. I was
> able to get about half done before changing batteries, and the 1-hour
> charger was true to its name. I also used it to drill 1.5" holes with a
> forstner bit, etc. etc.
>
> It often suprised me how much torque it produces (460 ft/lbs.)
You sure it is not in-oz? 460 ft-lbs is what a modest V8 small block
puts out....
> and you have
> to remember to brace yourself when using forstner bits in hard maple, let me
> tell you.
>
> So, Milwaukee get's my vote in the cordless drill department.
I have the Milwaukee 14.4 "tor-loc" cordless which replaced the
venerable Makita 9.6 (great drill!)
The 14.4 is a real workhorse, excellent product and great chuck.
-Bruce
>
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Skeez... I agree with you on the Panasonic. I've had the Panasonic 18v for
close to 3 years and it is still working fine. I also have the Bosch 18v
and I have to say that it has served me well also.
Matt
"[email protected]" wrote:
> On 17 Nov 2003 11:06:50 -0800, [email protected] (Alan)
> wrote:
>
> >I'm interested in buying a cordless drill/driver. My recent purchase
> >of a 12 volt Makita has left a very bad taste in my mouth, the drill
> >was very cheaply made (not the pro line) and it wouldn't keep a drill
> >bit or driver tight, no matter what I did. I've returned in under
> >their 30 day customer satisfaction policy and now I'm shopping again.
> >
> >I think the Bosch 14.4 Brute-Tough will fit my needs. Any ideas??
>
> ive had several bosch and the trigger always seems to burn out too
> quickly. same with porter cable. my makita has been a POS since the
> day i bought it. 3 dewalts all junk within a couple months. however
> ive been very pleased with panasonic. i just bought a second panasonic
> as the first one lasted over a year and a half with no problems. [ it
> still works but the brake finaly gave out. ] i use these things hard
> everyday and so far ive not found any that will beat the panasonic.
> YMMV skeez
Some regard the Panasonic batteries as state of the art. If the Panasonic
drill and it's steel chuck are too expensive, you might consider Grizzly.
They came with Panasonic batteries when I gave one to my son last Christmas.
He said it s a good drill.
I use 14.4 volt Dewalt drills myself.
I've read a lot good comments about the PC drills.
"Henry E Schaffer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
> >I'm interested in buying a cordless drill/driver. My recent purchase
> >of a 12 volt Makita has left a very bad taste in my mouth, the drill
> >was very cheaply made (not the pro line) and it wouldn't keep a drill
> >bit or driver tight, no matter what I did. I've returned in under
> >their 30 day customer satisfaction policy and now I'm shopping again.
> >
> >I think the Bosch 14.4 Brute-Tough will fit my needs. Any ideas??
>
> I've had a Bosch 12V model for years, and it has performed very well.
> However the keyless chuck is somewhat hard to close tightly enough to
> drill large holes in steel - i.e. only for the worst cases.
>
> I'm happy enough that I bought a new battery for it, and have just
> sent the other one to PrimeCell for rebuilding.
> --
> --henry schaffer
> [email protected]
On 17 Nov 2003 11:06:50 -0800, [email protected] (Alan)
wrote:
>I'm interested in buying a cordless drill/driver. My recent purchase
>of a 12 volt Makita has left a very bad taste in my mouth, the drill
>was very cheaply made (not the pro line) and it wouldn't keep a drill
>bit or driver tight, no matter what I did. I've returned in under
>their 30 day customer satisfaction policy and now I'm shopping again.
>
>I think the Bosch 14.4 Brute-Tough will fit my needs. Any ideas??
ive had several bosch and the trigger always seems to burn out too
quickly. same with porter cable. my makita has been a POS since the
day i bought it. 3 dewalts all junk within a couple months. however
ive been very pleased with panasonic. i just bought a second panasonic
as the first one lasted over a year and a half with no problems. [ it
still works but the brake finaly gave out. ] i use these things hard
everyday and so far ive not found any that will beat the panasonic.
YMMV skeez
hehe, you're right. It's 460 in./lbs. As it stands it feels like it could
break my wrist sometimes. 460 ft./lbs would be a bit overkill hehe
--
There are no stupid questions.
There are a LOT of inquisitive idiots.
"Bruce Rowen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mike in Mystic wrote:
> >
> > I have a Milwaukee 14.4 volt cordless and it's wonderful. I just used
the
> > heck out of it drilling dog holes in my workbench top (3 layers of 3/4"
MDF
> > and a top skin of 1/4" masonite). I drilled a total of 58 dog holes. I
was
> > able to get about half done before changing batteries, and the 1-hour
> > charger was true to its name. I also used it to drill 1.5" holes with a
> > forstner bit, etc. etc.
> >
> > It often suprised me how much torque it produces (460 ft/lbs.)
>
> You sure it is not in-oz? 460 ft-lbs is what a modest V8 small block
> puts out....
>
> > and you have
> > to remember to brace yourself when using forstner bits in hard maple,
let me
> > tell you.
> >
> > So, Milwaukee get's my vote in the cordless drill department.
>
> I have the Milwaukee 14.4 "tor-loc" cordless which replaced the
> venerable Makita 9.6 (great drill!)
> The 14.4 is a real workhorse, excellent product and great chuck.
>
> -Bruce
>
> >
>
>
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On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 10:49:48 -0500, Trent© <[email protected]>
wrote:
>><quote>
>>Introductory limited LIFETIME SERVICE WARRANTY* on all RIDGID handheld
>>and stationary power tools purchased from Sept. through Dec. 2003 plus
>>our 90-DAY SATISFACTION GUARANTEE*
>>
>>- LIMITED TIME OFFER: On all purchases of RIDGID Hand and Stationary
>>Power Tools from September 1 through December 31, 2003!
>>
>>- Don't miss this chance to receive a life time of service* on these
>>power tools designed to be used "day after day".
>>
>>- This lifetime service warranty* covers all defects in workmanship or
>>materials AND NORMAL WEAR ITEMS. (emphasis added)
>>
>>- THAT MEANS FREE BATTERY PACKS FOR LIFE. (emphasis added)
>
>Did you add the EMPHASIS?...i.e., the capitalization? Or did you add
>the entire statement?
I merely capitalized the immediately aforementioned capitalized words.
JP
*****************************
Ctrl-B ain't workin'.
"Mike in Mystic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> I have a Milwaukee 14.4 volt cordless and it's wonderful. I just used the
Ditto, ditto, ditto! Darned glad I spent the money on my Milwaukee 14.4.
Most like Makita or at lkeast the professional line-did not know they
had such. Stay away from DeWalt- too many troubles in our experience.
We like Milwaukee, AEG, Hitachi and Bosch. Charlie Self wrote a good
article on cordless drills I believe. He has more experience with all
sorts of tools than most of us since he is a writer-and a good one I
might add.
On 17 Nov 2003 11:06:50 -0800, [email protected] (Alan)
wrote:
>I'm interested in buying a cordless drill/driver. My recent purchase
>of a 12 volt Makita has left a very bad taste in my mouth, the drill
>was very cheaply made (not the pro line) and it wouldn't keep a drill
>bit or driver tight, no matter what I did. I've returned in under
>their 30 day customer satisfaction policy and now I'm shopping again.
>
>I think the Bosch 14.4 Brute-Tough will fit my needs. Any ideas??
Lawrence Ramsey writes:
>Most like Makita or at lkeast the professional line-did not know they
>had such. Stay away from DeWalt- too many troubles in our experience.
>We like Milwaukee, AEG, Hitachi and Bosch. Charlie Self wrote a good
>article on cordless drills I believe. He has more experience with all
>sorts of tools than most of us since he is a writer-and a good one I
>might add.
Glad you like the writing, but the recent review was on corded drills. Might be
time for another on cordless...hear that Rob? Currently, my array consists of
one DeWalt 12v, one Makita 14.4 NiMH, one Ryobi 14.4 and that's it! Amazing.
I've had no problems with any of them. The Makita tends to get the least use
because of the self-draining characteristic of the NiMH batteries...lose maybe
1-5% of their charge per day. In other words, if it sits for 2 weeks, you need
to recharge before use...but there is NO memory so there's no problem at all
recharging a partly discharged battery. Newer NiCads supposedly beat that
problem, too.
Charlie Self
"I hope our wisdom will grow with our power, and teach us, that the less we use
our power the greater it will be." Thomas Jefferson
PS......I forgot to add this link....proof that the US Panasonic don't know
we exist up here LOL.
http://www.panasonic.ca/english/powertools/index.asp
Jon~
"P©WÉ®T©©LMAN ²ºº3" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "BeerBoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:Kndub.417651$pl3.17135@pd7tw3no...
> > That's strange because I emailed Panasonic a couple of months ago asking
> > them about this and they sent me a note back stating that their tools
are
> > not available in Canada. I'll have to check out the Madison outfit in
> > Vancouver. Thanks for the tip.
>
>
> No problem, we serviced two Panasonic cordless drills belonging to one of
> our local ski clubs just last week & replaced a 15.6V battery under
warranty
> for a local builder a couple of months back so considering how small our
> town is there is some Panasonic being used in our area. I also put a new
> switch in a Panasonic cordless drill earlier this year for a cabinet
> shop....I have not been asking where these tools were actually purchased
but
> I know another customer of mine from Owen sound has two 12V Panasonics for
> cabinet installation that were purchased by his son in Toronto earlier
this
> year. If you speak directly to Panasonic in the states they are likely not
> to know the very few dealers here in Canada, I actually started with
> Panasonic because Jepson Tools were distributed by the same company & when
> accepting to do Jepson warranty Panasonic was part of the Parcel.
>
> The address for Madison in Vancouver is:
>
> Madison Industrial Equipment Ltd
> 1970 Alberta St
> Vancouver, BC. V5Y 3X4
> Tel (604) 872-8155 Fax (604) 872-4563
>
>
> --
> Jon~
> © J.D.Power Tool Canada ®
> http://www.stores.ebay.com/jdpowertoolcanada
>
>
>
>
"BeerBoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Panasonic always gets great reviews. Unfortunately for me, they are not
> available in Canada or that would be my choice.
Actually, they are, I am a Panasonic Authorized Service Center in Ontario.
They are however few & far between & there are not may distributors in
Canada, Southern Ontario is served by Madison Industrial Equipment in
Mississauga for one, there is also another branch of Madison in Vancouver.
I feel that although there cordless tools are easily among the best in the
world the price of replacement batteries is out of this world.
--
© Jon Down ®
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I have a Milwaukee 14.4 volt cordless and it's wonderful. I just used the
heck out of it drilling dog holes in my workbench top (3 layers of 3/4" MDF
and a top skin of 1/4" masonite). I drilled a total of 58 dog holes. I was
able to get about half done before changing batteries, and the 1-hour
charger was true to its name. I also used it to drill 1.5" holes with a
forstner bit, etc. etc.
It often suprised me how much torque it produces (460 ft/lbs.) and you have
to remember to brace yourself when using forstner bits in hard maple, let me
tell you.
So, Milwaukee get's my vote in the cordless drill department.
Mike
--
There are no stupid questions.
There are a LOT of inquisitive idiots.
"Alan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm interested in buying a cordless drill/driver. My recent purchase
> of a 12 volt Makita has left a very bad taste in my mouth, the drill
> was very cheaply made (not the pro line) and it wouldn't keep a drill
> bit or driver tight, no matter what I did. I've returned in under
> their 30 day customer satisfaction policy and now I'm shopping again.
>
> I think the Bosch 14.4 Brute-Tough will fit my needs. Any ideas??
"Alan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
: I'm interested in buying a cordless drill/driver. My recent purchase
: of a 12 volt Makita has left a very bad taste in my mouth, the drill
: was very cheaply made (not the pro line) and it wouldn't keep a drill
: bit or driver tight, no matter what I did. I've returned in under
: their 30 day customer satisfaction policy and now I'm shopping again.
:
: I think the Bosch 14.4 Brute-Tough will fit my needs. Any ideas??
It no doubt would / could / probably will :-)
FWIW, I do like the Ryobi 18-Volt I've been putting through the paces for
the past couple of years. It's been a darned good tool for the money.
However, my new Porter Cable 14.4 Volt (with the new 2 amp-hour batteries)
driver is all in all a vastly superior tool. I picked it up at a Costco for
just under $90. The 14.4 PC has more torque than the Ryobi 18 as well.
--
Steve
www.ApacheTrail.com/ww/
Mesa, AZ
Penury Is the Mother of Invention
Panasonic always gets great reviews. Unfortunately for me, they are not
available in Canada or that would be my choice.
"Matt Zach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Skeez... I agree with you on the Panasonic. I've had the Panasonic 18v for
> close to 3 years and it is still working fine. I also have the Bosch 18v
> and I have to say that it has served me well also.
> Matt
>
> "[email protected]" wrote:
>
> > On 17 Nov 2003 11:06:50 -0800, [email protected] (Alan)
> > wrote:
> >
> > >I'm interested in buying a cordless drill/driver. My recent purchase
> > >of a 12 volt Makita has left a very bad taste in my mouth, the drill
> > >was very cheaply made (not the pro line) and it wouldn't keep a drill
> > >bit or driver tight, no matter what I did. I've returned in under
> > >their 30 day customer satisfaction policy and now I'm shopping again.
> > >
> > >I think the Bosch 14.4 Brute-Tough will fit my needs. Any ideas??
> >
> > ive had several bosch and the trigger always seems to burn out too
> > quickly. same with porter cable. my makita has been a POS since the
> > day i bought it. 3 dewalts all junk within a couple months. however
> > ive been very pleased with panasonic. i just bought a second panasonic
> > as the first one lasted over a year and a half with no problems. [ it
> > still works but the brake finaly gave out. ] i use these things hard
> > everyday and so far ive not found any that will beat the panasonic.
> > YMMV skeez
>
That's strange because I emailed Panasonic a couple of months ago asking
them about this and they sent me a note back stating that their tools are
not available in Canada. I'll have to check out the Madison outfit in
Vancouver. Thanks for the tip.
"P©WÉ®T©©LMAN ²ºº3" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "BeerBoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:Iecub.416913$pl3.96870@pd7tw3no...
> > Panasonic always gets great reviews. Unfortunately for me, they are not
> > available in Canada or that would be my choice.
>
> Actually, they are, I am a Panasonic Authorized Service Center in Ontario.
> They are however few & far between & there are not may distributors in
> Canada, Southern Ontario is served by Madison Industrial Equipment in
> Mississauga for one, there is also another branch of Madison in Vancouver.
>
> I feel that although there cordless tools are easily among the best in the
> world the price of replacement batteries is out of this world.
>
> --
> © Jon Down ®
>
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>
>
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Alan) wrote:
>I'm interested in buying a cordless drill/driver. My recent purchase
>of a 12 volt Makita has left a very bad taste in my mouth, the drill
>was very cheaply made (not the pro line) and it wouldn't keep a drill
>bit or driver tight, no matter what I did. I've returned in under
>their 30 day customer satisfaction policy and now I'm shopping again.
>
>I think the Bosch 14.4 Brute-Tough will fit my needs. Any ideas??
I bought one of those Bosch units at woodworking show almost a year ago.
Seems to have plenty of torque. Battery life is adequately long -- and it came
with a charger and two battery packs, so there's always one pack charged up
and ready to go. No complaints whatever. I'd make the same choice again in a
heartbeat.
--
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
How come we choose from just two people to run for president and 50 for Miss America?
That "lifetime wrranty" is for the lifetime of the tool-not you.
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:39:25 -0500, Jay Pique <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 17 Nov 2003 11:06:50 -0800, [email protected] (Alan)
>wrote:
>
>>I'm interested in buying a cordless drill/driver. My recent purchase
>>of a 12 volt Makita has left a very bad taste in my mouth, the drill
>>was very cheaply made (not the pro line) and it wouldn't keep a drill
>>bit or driver tight, no matter what I did. I've returned in under
>>their 30 day customer satisfaction policy and now I'm shopping again.
>>
>>I think the Bosch 14.4 Brute-Tough will fit my needs. Any ideas??
>
>Home Depot sells a Ridgid 14.4 1/2" - 415 inch/lbs. of torque with two
>batteries and a dual charger for $199 and they warranty the thing for
>life - and they say it covers "all defects in workmanship or materials
>and normal wear and tear items. That means free battery packs for
>life." I haven't used them, but man that sounds like a pretty sweet
>deal to me!
>
>JP
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Milwaukee has always, and continues, to make the toughest, most durable
> tools, corded or not. You will not be disappointed.
>
> Bob
Just replaced my 14.4 PC with a 14.4 Milwaukee because both batteries
were going bad on the PC and to replace them would have cost nearly as
much as a new drill. The Milwaukee is far and away a more durable tool,
however -- the downside is that it is considerably heavier than the PC.
My arm and elbow definitely notice the difference. That said, I'm not
disappointed -- I don't expect to be shaking plastic parts out of my
Milwaukee, unlike the PC.
>
>
> "Alan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I'm interested in buying a cordless drill/driver. My recent purchase
> > of a 12 volt Makita has left a very bad taste in my mouth, the drill
> > was very cheaply made (not the pro line) and it wouldn't keep a drill
> > bit or driver tight, no matter what I did. I've returned in under
> > their 30 day customer satisfaction policy and now I'm shopping again.
> >
> > I think the Bosch 14.4 Brute-Tough will fit my needs. Any ideas??
>
>
>
On 17 Nov 2003 11:06:50 -0800, [email protected] (Alan)
wrote:
>I'm interested in buying a cordless drill/driver. My recent purchase
>of a 12 volt Makita has left a very bad taste in my mouth, the drill
>was very cheaply made (not the pro line) and it wouldn't keep a drill
>bit or driver tight, no matter what I did. I've returned in under
>their 30 day customer satisfaction policy and now I'm shopping again.
>
>I think the Bosch 14.4 Brute-Tough will fit my needs. Any ideas??
I've been using a 9.6 Ryobi that I bought new about 5 years ago now.
Very dependable...but it has only a single speed gear box. Drills
have come a long way since then. lol
I bought a Porter-Cable 14.4v at a garage sale...for $10 if I recall.
Came with 2 batteries and a charger. Great drill!...and it looked
like it'd been used a LOT before I got it. I tend to use this for
most of my DRILLING work...because of the high speed available. For
most drilling, you want SPEED...not torque. So make sure the RPM's
will be what you want for the work you want to do.
Consider getting 2 drills...a really cheap one to use as a screwdriver
(that's pretty much what I use the one-gear variable speed Ryobi
for)...and a good drill for actual drilling projects. Make sure the
good one has at least a 2-speed gear box...plus variable speed.
Harbor Freight usually has a complete outfit for under $20(screw
driver?)...and their stuff is pretty dependable. And they also sell
rebuilt name brand good stuff...DeWalt, etc.
Good luck, Alan.
Have a nice week...
Trent
Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity!
P.S. We often vote for more than 2 presidential candidates.
We always have more than 50 Miss America candidates.
lol
In article <[email protected]>,
Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
>I'm interested in buying a cordless drill/driver. My recent purchase
>of a 12 volt Makita has left a very bad taste in my mouth, the drill
>was very cheaply made (not the pro line) and it wouldn't keep a drill
>bit or driver tight, no matter what I did. I've returned in under
>their 30 day customer satisfaction policy and now I'm shopping again.
>
>I think the Bosch 14.4 Brute-Tough will fit my needs. Any ideas??
I've had a Bosch 12V model for years, and it has performed very well.
However the keyless chuck is somewhat hard to close tightly enough to
drill large holes in steel - i.e. only for the worst cases.
I'm happy enough that I bought a new battery for it, and have just
sent the other one to PrimeCell for rebuilding.
--
--henry schaffer
[email protected]
"BeerBoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Kndub.417651$pl3.17135@pd7tw3no...
> That's strange because I emailed Panasonic a couple of months ago asking
> them about this and they sent me a note back stating that their tools are
> not available in Canada. I'll have to check out the Madison outfit in
> Vancouver. Thanks for the tip.
No problem, we serviced two Panasonic cordless drills belonging to one of
our local ski clubs just last week & replaced a 15.6V battery under warranty
for a local builder a couple of months back so considering how small our
town is there is some Panasonic being used in our area. I also put a new
switch in a Panasonic cordless drill earlier this year for a cabinet
shop....I have not been asking where these tools were actually purchased but
I know another customer of mine from Owen sound has two 12V Panasonics for
cabinet installation that were purchased by his son in Toronto earlier this
year. If you speak directly to Panasonic in the states they are likely not
to know the very few dealers here in Canada, I actually started with
Panasonic because Jepson Tools were distributed by the same company & when
accepting to do Jepson warranty Panasonic was part of the Parcel.
The address for Madison in Vancouver is:
Madison Industrial Equipment Ltd
1970 Alberta St
Vancouver, BC. V5Y 3X4
Tel (604) 872-8155 Fax (604) 872-4563
--
Jon~
© J.D.Power Tool Canada ®
http://www.stores.ebay.com/jdpowertoolcanada
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 21:55:21 -0500, Jay Pique <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 00:17:31 GMT, "[email protected]"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:36:03 -0600, Lawrence A. Ramsey
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>That "lifetime wrranty" is for the lifetime of the tool-not you.
>>>
>>
>>
>>and i think you will find it wont cover the batteries when they were
>>out either. it only covers them if they like explode or something or
>>other. wearing out IS the life time of the tool. skeez
>
>Nope - batteries are covered. It was discussed in another thread per
>my google search (http://tinyurl.com/vrui). WRT to "the lifetime of
>the tool" I don't know WTF that means, but I'd have to argue hard that
>since they say they cover "normal wear items" it gives you a pretty
>broad base from which to argue.
Are you saying that you have the right to ARGUE about the
batteries?...for the life of the drill.
Or is there some specific language that says IMPLICITLY that they will
replace a battery that has simply gotten old.
I'd like to see the language...in the warranty and NOT from the
salesman's mouth...that says batteries will be replaced when they get
old.
Have a nice week...
Trent
Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity!
Hey, I'd like to see one of those myself!
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 19:06:21 -0500, Trent© <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 21:55:21 -0500, Jay Pique <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 00:17:31 GMT, "[email protected]"
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:36:03 -0600, Lawrence A. Ramsey
>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>That "lifetime wrranty" is for the lifetime of the tool-not you.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>and i think you will find it wont cover the batteries when they were
>>>out either. it only covers them if they like explode or something or
>>>other. wearing out IS the life time of the tool. skeez
>>
>>Nope - batteries are covered. It was discussed in another thread per
>>my google search (http://tinyurl.com/vrui). WRT to "the lifetime of
>>the tool" I don't know WTF that means, but I'd have to argue hard that
>>since they say they cover "normal wear items" it gives you a pretty
>>broad base from which to argue.
>
>Are you saying that you have the right to ARGUE about the
>batteries?...for the life of the drill.
>
>Or is there some specific language that says IMPLICITLY that they will
>replace a battery that has simply gotten old.
>
>I'd like to see the language...in the warranty and NOT from the
>salesman's mouth...that says batteries will be replaced when they get
>old.
>
>
>Have a nice week...
>
>Trent
>
>Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity!
>
><quote>
>Introductory limited LIFETIME SERVICE WARRANTY* on all RIDGID handheld
>and stationary power tools purchased from Sept. through Dec. 2003 plus
>our 90-DAY SATISFACTION GUARANTEE*
>
>- LIMITED TIME OFFER: On all purchases of RIDGID Hand and Stationary
>Power Tools from September 1 through December 31, 2003!
>
>- Don't miss this chance to receive a life time of service* on these
>power tools designed to be used "day after day".
>
>- This lifetime service warranty* covers all defects in workmanship or
>materials AND NORMAL WEAR ITEMS. (emphasis added)
>
>- THAT MEANS FREE BATTERY PACKS FOR LIFE. (emphasis added)
Did you add the EMPHASIS?...i.e., the capitalization? Or did you add
the entire statement?
Have a nice week...
Trent
Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity!
On 17 Nov 2003 11:06:50 -0800, [email protected] (Alan)
wrote:
>I'm interested in buying a cordless drill/driver. My recent purchase
>of a 12 volt Makita has left a very bad taste in my mouth, the drill
>was very cheaply made (not the pro line) and it wouldn't keep a drill
>bit or driver tight, no matter what I did. I've returned in under
>their 30 day customer satisfaction policy and now I'm shopping again.
>
>I think the Bosch 14.4 Brute-Tough will fit my needs. Any ideas??
Home Depot sells a Ridgid 14.4 1/2" - 415 inch/lbs. of torque with two
batteries and a dual charger for $199 and they warranty the thing for
life - and they say it covers "all defects in workmanship or materials
and normal wear and tear items. That means free battery packs for
life." I haven't used them, but man that sounds like a pretty sweet
deal to me!
JP
Hi, I have a 14.4 Bosch, the pistol grip one, have had it several years, I
love it, no problems.
I also have the top handle Bosch jig saw, love it to.
Tony
bob <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Milwaukee has always, and continues, to make the toughest, most durable
> tools, corded or not. You will not be disappointed.
>
> Bob
>
>
> "Alan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I'm interested in buying a cordless drill/driver. My recent purchase
> > of a 12 volt Makita has left a very bad taste in my mouth, the drill
> > was very cheaply made (not the pro line) and it wouldn't keep a drill
> > bit or driver tight, no matter what I did. I've returned in under
> > their 30 day customer satisfaction policy and now I'm shopping again.
> >
> > I think the Bosch 14.4 Brute-Tough will fit my needs. Any ideas??
>
>
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:36:03 -0600, Lawrence A. Ramsey
<[email protected]> wrote:
>That "lifetime wrranty" is for the lifetime of the tool-not you.
>
and i think you will find it wont cover the batteries when they were
out either. it only covers them if they like explode or something or
other. wearing out IS the life time of the tool. skeez
Milwaukee has always, and continues, to make the toughest, most durable
tools, corded or not. You will not be disappointed.
Bob
"Alan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm interested in buying a cordless drill/driver. My recent purchase
> of a 12 volt Makita has left a very bad taste in my mouth, the drill
> was very cheaply made (not the pro line) and it wouldn't keep a drill
> bit or driver tight, no matter what I did. I've returned in under
> their 30 day customer satisfaction policy and now I'm shopping again.
>
> I think the Bosch 14.4 Brute-Tough will fit my needs. Any ideas??
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:41:04 -0600, Lawrence A. Ramsey
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Buy it and give us some peace.
Gotcha.
JP
*************************
Fighting for a more peaceful wreck.
The Milwaukee is far and away a more durable tool,
>however -- the downside is that it is considerably heavier than the PC.
>My arm and elbow definitely notice the difference.
>
>>
>>
>>
thats one of the reasons i went with the panasonic. the milwaukee is a
fine tool dont get me wrong. all my corded drills are milwaukee and i
wont have it any other way. the panasonic is much lighter and more
compact and is very well ballanced too. skeez
I've got a B&D that I bought maybe 6 years ago. It's drilled a lot of holes,
and drove a lot of screws. My only regret was I wished I'd bought the
variable speed instead of the 2 speed.
SWMBO allowed me to buy an early xmas present for myself. So, I bought a
Grizzly 18V. If it lasts as long as the B&D has, I'll be happy.
Good luck.
Joe
"Henry E Schaffer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Alan <[email protected]> wrote:
> >I'm interested in buying a cordless drill/driver. My recent purchase
> >of a 12 volt Makita has left a very bad taste in my mouth, the drill
> >was very cheaply made (not the pro line) and it wouldn't keep a drill
> >bit or driver tight, no matter what I did. I've returned in under
> >their 30 day customer satisfaction policy and now I'm shopping again.
> >
> >I think the Bosch 14.4 Brute-Tough will fit my needs. Any ideas??
>
> I've had a Bosch 12V model for years, and it has performed very well.
> However the keyless chuck is somewhat hard to close tightly enough to
> drill large holes in steel - i.e. only for the worst cases.
>
> I'm happy enough that I bought a new battery for it, and have just
> sent the other one to PrimeCell for rebuilding.
> --
> --henry schaffer
> [email protected]
I have a 14.4 Ryobi that came in a kit with a little
circular saw, a flashlight, two batteries, charger and a
case . Purchased these a couple of years ago and all of them
have taken a beating and work like new.
--
Erik "Grumpa" Ahrens
Apprentice Termite
I'd much rather be hammered than nailed 8~)
"Alan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
| I'm interested in buying a cordless drill/driver. My
recent purchase
| of a 12 volt Makita has left a very bad taste in my mouth,
the drill
| was very cheaply made (not the pro line) and it wouldn't
keep a drill
| bit or driver tight, no matter what I did. I've returned
in under
| their 30 day customer satisfaction policy and now I'm
shopping again.
|
| I think the Bosch 14.4 Brute-Tough will fit my needs. Any
ideas??