So I upgraded the fountain pump today at HF..
I just jumped to the 264 /gph..
It works great. Straight into clear tubing it rockets out ..
But when connecting to a faucet it trickles.
So the faucet is useless. The 2.2gpm faucet is restricting the flow too
much and the pressure from the pump is too low. Called tech support and
they say the 2.2gpm require 65lbs of pressure.
No wonder my replacement shower head and valve don't work well.
I have well water and my pump is 35lbs... Way below..
So now I believe what they are saying that I need more pressure to get
the flow..
Does anyone know of a source for a faucet that is not 2.2gpm rated?????
I searched and can't seem to find one. They have been required since 1992.
I want a faucet spout that can be moved back and forth so I can direct
the water to my spot... The spouts alone also have restrictors. The
faucet I had bought had restrctors in both the valves and spout... Freak...
Having the water recirculate to the 5gal pail is great.. I think this
will work even for cleaning paint brushes... And for sharpening...,
cleanup... Just have to figure out how to keep the water from getting
scummy without bleach...
I'm going to put a grid (like from flourescent lights to allow the crud
to fall below the pump and keep the pump water cleaner. This pump is
capable of pond water so it's not clean water.... Just don't want to
throw goobers from glue and stuff in there.
I'm at that point now, stopped by the plumbing house. The guy was a
jerk. So I'm just going to solder some pipes together in a loop and use
a ball for control. Not sure How I am going to mount it.
All this will wait until I get a job. For the moment the tube and some
wood will hold the tube...
> Does it have to be a faucet? You've already got the hose from the pump,
> why not just hang that an appropriate distance above the sink? With some
> thought, it can be made extendable for maximum flexibility. (Some kind
> of weight and pulley? That's basically what the faucet in my garage is.)
>
> If you want different spray patterns, look in the pond section for the
> various fountain nozzles.
>
> If you want more spray pressure, perhaps an air supply could be connected
> upstream of the nozzle and now you'd have an air/water jet. Plumbing
> this, of course, is left as an exercise to the reader.
>
> I've been tempted to build my own faucet out of ball valves and various
> other plumbing parts, but there's a lot of little details like an aerator
> or bending copper pipe that make this just a temptation and not a
> reality.
>
> Puckdropper
tiredofspam <nospam.nospam.com> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> So I upgraded the fountain pump today at HF..
> I just jumped to the 264 /gph..
>
> It works great. Straight into clear tubing it rockets out ..
> But when connecting to a faucet it trickles.
>
> So the faucet is useless. The 2.2gpm faucet is restricting the flow
> too much and the pressure from the pump is too low. Called tech
> support and they say the 2.2gpm require 65lbs of pressure.
>
> No wonder my replacement shower head and valve don't work well.
> I have well water and my pump is 35lbs... Way below..
>
> So now I believe what they are saying that I need more pressure to get
> the flow..
>
> Does anyone know of a source for a faucet that is not 2.2gpm
> rated????? I searched and can't seem to find one. They have been
> required since 1992.
>
> I want a faucet spout that can be moved back and forth so I can direct
> the water to my spot... The spouts alone also have restrictors. The
> faucet I had bought had restrctors in both the valves and spout...
> Freak...
>
>
> Having the water recirculate to the 5gal pail is great.. I think this
> will work even for cleaning paint brushes... And for sharpening...,
> cleanup... Just have to figure out how to keep the water from getting
> scummy without bleach...
>
> I'm going to put a grid (like from flourescent lights to allow the
> crud to fall below the pump and keep the pump water cleaner. This pump
> is capable of pond water so it's not clean water.... Just don't want
> to throw goobers from glue and stuff in there.
>
Does it have to be a faucet? You've already got the hose from the pump,
why not just hang that an appropriate distance above the sink? With some
thought, it can be made extendable for maximum flexibility. (Some kind
of weight and pulley? That's basically what the faucet in my garage is.)
If you want different spray patterns, look in the pond section for the
various fountain nozzles.
If you want more spray pressure, perhaps an air supply could be connected
upstream of the nozzle and now you'd have an air/water jet. Plumbing
this, of course, is left as an exercise to the reader.
I've been tempted to build my own faucet out of ball valves and various
other plumbing parts, but there's a lot of little details like an aerator
or bending copper pipe that make this just a temptation and not a
reality.
Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.
tiredofspam wrote:
> This unit has restricted the tubes as well.
> The spout is a tube that can't even be 1/8"
>
> And it's not replaceable or drillable.
> So when I take the spout off (forgetting the valves)
> and try to run water through the spout the flow is too low.
> This is like HVLP... I have a high volume, but low pressure.
>
Doesn't sound like you can even get high volume out of a setup like that. I
think I'd shitcan the faucet and buy a cheap Home Depot or Lowes faucet.
Many - if not most of those can easily be opened up by removing the
restrictors in the faucet - for the life of me... I cannot think of what
this is really called! Brain fart night I guess.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Sonny wrote:
>
> Maybe he has a filter between the pump and the faucet and the filter
> needs cleaning or relacing..... might make for better pressure in the
> shower.
>
> My sister had low pressure in her house and we discovered the filter
> needed cleaning.
>
> *She had called a plumber friend and he recommended checking for a
> filter and, if so, check the filter. .... so we didn't discover this
> on our own.
>
Yup. Been there, been bit by this.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Well maybe my pressure gauge is not working.
After Mike's post, I went and ran the water until the pump came on.
No movement... Then I shut the output off so the tank would fill.. no
movement.
Guess I don't know how much pressure I have.
But that doesn't change the fact that after installing the new valve and
new shower head that I have no pressure. My house was built in 87 before
the lower volumes. I have replaced the faucets in both bathroom sinks.
But only one shower where it is really noticeable.
Anyway Would like to know how to solve my slop sink problem... The
fountain pump doesn't put out enough pressure to drive the restricted
faucets. But does put out quite a bit of water..
Anyone have any ideas where to get an unrestricted spout?
On 6/8/2012 5:54 PM, Sonny wrote:
> On Jun 8, 4:11 pm, "Mike Marlow"<[email protected]> wrote:
>> tiredofspam wrote:
>>
>>> So the faucet is useless. The 2.2gpm faucet is restricting the flow
>>> too much and the pressure from the pump is too low. Called tech
>>> support and they say the 2.2gpm require 65lbs of pressure.
>>
>> I don't get that statement. Most residential well pumps are factory set at
>> 50psi cut out and 30 psi cut it, and they work just fine with faucets.
>> Something doesn't even seem close to right with what they told you.
>>
>>
>>
>>> No wonder my replacement shower head and valve don't work well.
>>> I have well water and my pump is 35lbs... Way below..
>>
>> Cut in pressure. How do they work when the pump gets the tank up to
>> pressure?
>>
>> --
>>
>> -Mike-
>> [email protected]
>
> Maybe he has a filter between the pump and the faucet and the filter
> needs cleaning or relacing..... might make for better pressure in the
> shower.
>
> My sister had low pressure in her house and we discovered the filter
> needed cleaning.
>
> *She had called a plumber friend and he recommended checking for a
> filter and, if so, check the filter. .... so we didn't discover this
> on our own.
>
> Sonny
tiredofspam wrote:
> So I upgraded the fountain pump today at HF..
> I just jumped to the 264 /gph..
>
> It works great. Straight into clear tubing it rockets out ..
> But when connecting to a faucet it trickles.
>
> So the faucet is useless. The 2.2gpm faucet is restricting the flow
> too much and the pressure from the pump is too low. Called tech
> support and they say the 2.2gpm require 65lbs of pressure.
>
> No wonder my replacement shower head and valve don't work well.
> I have well water and my pump is 35lbs... Way below..
>
> So now I believe what they are saying that I need more pressure to get
> the flow..
>
> Does anyone know of a source for a faucet that is not 2.2gpm
> rated????? I searched and can't seem to find one. They have been required
> since
> 1992.
> I want a faucet spout that can be moved back and forth so I can direct
> the water to my spot... The spouts alone also have restrictors. The
> faucet I had bought had restrctors in both the valves and spout...
> Freak...
1. Habitat for Humanity or Craigslist. Get an old one.
2. A couple of hours with a suitable drill. Ream that crap outta there.
3. Go with outside water-hose type fixtures.
tiredofspam wrote:
> I'm at that point now, stopped by the plumbing house. The guy was a
> jerk. So I'm just going to solder some pipes together in a loop and use
> a ball for control. Not sure How I am going to mount it.
>
> All this will wait until I get a job. For the moment the tube and some
> wood will hold the tube...
>
>> Does it have to be a faucet? You've already got the hose from the pump,
>> why not just hang that an appropriate distance above the sink? With some
>> thought, it can be made extendable for maximum flexibility. (Some kind
>> of weight and pulley? That's basically what the faucet in my garage is.)
>>
>> If you want different spray patterns, look in the pond section for the
>> various fountain nozzles.
>>
>> If you want more spray pressure, perhaps an air supply could be connected
>> upstream of the nozzle and now you'd have an air/water jet. Plumbing
>> this, of course, is left as an exercise to the reader.
>>
>> I've been tempted to build my own faucet out of ball valves and various
>> other plumbing parts, but there's a lot of little details like an aerator
>> or bending copper pipe that make this just a temptation and not a
>> reality.
>>
>> Puckdropper
Ideally a pump similar to the ones on an RV would work best. They are
pressure controlled and shut off when the faucet is closed. But they
are more expensive than a fountain pump.
Another plan is to get a plastic container with a faucet attached (I
have one) and just sit it on a shelf over the sink. If water
recycling is important get two and put one under the sink. That way
you could just swap them out when all the water is in the bottom one.
--
G.W. Ross
My job is / Keeping faces clean / And
nobody knows / De stubble / I've seen
/ Burma-Shave
No filter.
I'll kick the pump in and see what the pressure goes to.
On 6/8/2012 5:54 PM, Sonny wrote:
> On Jun 8, 4:11 pm, "Mike Marlow"<[email protected]> wrote:
>> tiredofspam wrote:
>>
>>> So the faucet is useless. The 2.2gpm faucet is restricting the flow
>>> too much and the pressure from the pump is too low. Called tech
>>> support and they say the 2.2gpm require 65lbs of pressure.
>>
>> I don't get that statement. Most residential well pumps are factory set at
>> 50psi cut out and 30 psi cut it, and they work just fine with faucets.
>> Something doesn't even seem close to right with what they told you.
>>
>>
>>
>>> No wonder my replacement shower head and valve don't work well.
>>> I have well water and my pump is 35lbs... Way below..
>>
>> Cut in pressure. How do they work when the pump gets the tank up to
>> pressure?
>>
>> --
>>
>> -Mike-
>> [email protected]
>
> Maybe he has a filter between the pump and the faucet and the filter
> needs cleaning or relacing..... might make for better pressure in the
> shower.
>
> My sister had low pressure in her house and we discovered the filter
> needed cleaning.
>
> *She had called a plumber friend and he recommended checking for a
> filter and, if so, check the filter. .... so we didn't discover this
> on our own.
>
> Sonny
tiredofspam wrote:
> Well maybe my pressure gauge is not working.
> After Mike's post, I went and ran the water until the pump came on.
> No movement... Then I shut the output off so the tank would fill.. no
> movement.
>
> Guess I don't know how much pressure I have.
> But that doesn't change the fact that after installing the new valve
> and new shower head that I have no pressure. My house was built in 87
> before the lower volumes. I have replaced the faucets in both
> bathroom sinks. But only one shower where it is really noticeable.
>
> Anyway Would like to know how to solve my slop sink problem... The
> fountain pump doesn't put out enough pressure to drive the restricted
> faucets. But does put out quite a bit of water..
> Anyone have any ideas where to get an unrestricted spout?
Some of the restricted faucets just use a restrictor screwed into the end of
the faucet. Have you tried removing it, and seeing if there is any
difference?
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
tiredofspam wrote:
>
> So the faucet is useless. The 2.2gpm faucet is restricting the flow
> too much and the pressure from the pump is too low. Called tech
> support and they say the 2.2gpm require 65lbs of pressure.
I don't get that statement. Most residential well pumps are factory set at
50psi cut out and 30 psi cut it, and they work just fine with faucets.
Something doesn't even seem close to right with what they told you.
>
> No wonder my replacement shower head and valve don't work well.
> I have well water and my pump is 35lbs... Way below..
Cut in pressure. How do they work when the pump gets the tank up to
pressure?
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Jun 8, 4:11=A0pm, "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
> tiredofspam wrote:
>
> > So the faucet is useless. The 2.2gpm faucet is restricting the flow
> > too much and the pressure from the pump is too low. =A0Called tech
> > support and they say the 2.2gpm require 65lbs of pressure.
>
> I don't get that statement. =A0Most residential well pumps are factory se=
t at
> 50psi cut out and 30 psi cut it, and they work just fine with faucets.
> Something doesn't even seem close to right with what they told you.
>
>
>
> > No wonder my replacement shower head and valve don't work well.
> > I have well water and my pump is 35lbs... Way below..
>
> Cut in pressure. =A0How do they work when the pump gets the tank up to
> pressure?
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> [email protected]
Maybe he has a filter between the pump and the faucet and the filter
needs cleaning or relacing..... might make for better pressure in the
shower.
My sister had low pressure in her house and we discovered the filter
needed cleaning.
*She had called a plumber friend and he recommended checking for a
filter and, if so, check the filter. .... so we didn't discover this
on our own.
Sonny
On 6/8/2012 6:22 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
> Well maybe my pressure gauge is not working.
> After Mike's post, I went and ran the water until the pump came on.
> No movement... Then I shut the output off so the tank would fill.. no
> movement.
>
> Guess I don't know how much pressure I have.
> But that doesn't change the fact that after installing the new valve and
> new shower head that I have no pressure. My house was built in 87 before
> the lower volumes. I have replaced the faucets in both bathroom sinks.
> But only one shower where it is really noticeable.
>
> Anyway Would like to know how to solve my slop sink problem... The
> fountain pump doesn't put out enough pressure to drive the restricted
> faucets. But does put out quite a bit of water..
> Anyone have any ideas where to get an unrestricted spout?
>
> On 6/8/2012 5:54 PM, Sonny wrote:
>> On Jun 8, 4:11 pm, "Mike Marlow"<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> tiredofspam wrote:
>>>
>>>> So the faucet is useless. The 2.2gpm faucet is restricting the flow
>>>> too much and the pressure from the pump is too low. Called tech
>>>> support and they say the 2.2gpm require 65lbs of pressure.
>>>
>>> I don't get that statement. Most residential well pumps are factory
>>> set at
>>> 50psi cut out and 30 psi cut it, and they work just fine with faucets.
>>> Something doesn't even seem close to right with what they told you.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> No wonder my replacement shower head and valve don't work well.
>>>> I have well water and my pump is 35lbs... Way below..
>>>
>>> Cut in pressure. How do they work when the pump gets the tank up to
>>> pressure?
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> -Mike-
>>> [email protected]
>>
>> Maybe he has a filter between the pump and the faucet and the filter
>> needs cleaning or relacing..... might make for better pressure in the
>> shower.
>>
>> My sister had low pressure in her house and we discovered the filter
>> needed cleaning.
>>
>> *She had called a plumber friend and he recommended checking for a
>> filter and, if so, check the filter. .... so we didn't discover this
>> on our own.
>>
>> Sonny
Is it possible to use a drill?
In mine there was a piece of rubber with a tiny hole in it that was the
restricter. House was built 4 years ago
This was a new faucet from Home Depot.
The whole thing is restricted...
On 6/8/2012 9:32 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> tiredofspam wrote:
>> This unit has restricted the tubes as well.
>> The spout is a tube that can't even be 1/8"
>>
>> And it's not replaceable or drillable.
>> So when I take the spout off (forgetting the valves)
>> and try to run water through the spout the flow is too low.
>> This is like HVLP... I have a high volume, but low pressure.
>>
>
> Doesn't sound like you can even get high volume out of a setup like that. I
> think I'd shitcan the faucet and buy a cheap Home Depot or Lowes faucet.
> Many - if not most of those can easily be opened up by removing the
> restrictors in the faucet - for the life of me... I cannot think of what
> this is really called! Brain fart night I guess.
>
This unit has restricted the tubes as well.
The spout is a tube that can't even be 1/8"
And it's not replaceable or drillable.
So when I take the spout off (forgetting the valves)
and try to run water through the spout the flow is too low.
This is like HVLP... I have a high volume, but low pressure.
On 6/8/2012 8:02 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
> On 6/8/2012 6:22 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
>> Well maybe my pressure gauge is not working.
>> After Mike's post, I went and ran the water until the pump came on.
>> No movement... Then I shut the output off so the tank would fill.. no
>> movement.
>>
>> Guess I don't know how much pressure I have.
>> But that doesn't change the fact that after installing the new valve and
>> new shower head that I have no pressure. My house was built in 87 before
>> the lower volumes. I have replaced the faucets in both bathroom sinks.
>> But only one shower where it is really noticeable.
>>
>> Anyway Would like to know how to solve my slop sink problem... The
>> fountain pump doesn't put out enough pressure to drive the restricted
>> faucets. But does put out quite a bit of water..
>> Anyone have any ideas where to get an unrestricted spout?
>>
>> On 6/8/2012 5:54 PM, Sonny wrote:
>>> On Jun 8, 4:11 pm, "Mike Marlow"<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> tiredofspam wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So the faucet is useless. The 2.2gpm faucet is restricting the flow
>>>>> too much and the pressure from the pump is too low. Called tech
>>>>> support and they say the 2.2gpm require 65lbs of pressure.
>>>>
>>>> I don't get that statement. Most residential well pumps are factory
>>>> set at
>>>> 50psi cut out and 30 psi cut it, and they work just fine with faucets.
>>>> Something doesn't even seem close to right with what they told you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> No wonder my replacement shower head and valve don't work well.
>>>>> I have well water and my pump is 35lbs... Way below..
>>>>
>>>> Cut in pressure. How do they work when the pump gets the tank up to
>>>> pressure?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> -Mike-
>>>> [email protected]
>>>
>>> Maybe he has a filter between the pump and the faucet and the filter
>>> needs cleaning or relacing..... might make for better pressure in the
>>> shower.
>>>
>>> My sister had low pressure in her house and we discovered the filter
>>> needed cleaning.
>>>
>>> *She had called a plumber friend and he recommended checking for a
>>> filter and, if so, check the filter. .... so we didn't discover this
>>> on our own.
>>>
>>> Sonny
>
> Is it possible to use a drill?
>
> In mine there was a piece of rubber with a tiny hole in it that was the
> restricter. House was built 4 years ago
>
I'll see if the local plumbing supply has a clue as to what I can use.
I checked Craigs list.
No dice.. And it's hard to guage the age of some of these.
Many were new in box or close to new..
On 6/8/2012 8:02 PM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
> On 6/8/2012 6:22 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
>> Well maybe my pressure gauge is not working.
>> After Mike's post, I went and ran the water until the pump came on.
>> No movement... Then I shut the output off so the tank would fill.. no
>> movement.
>>
>> Guess I don't know how much pressure I have.
>> But that doesn't change the fact that after installing the new valve and
>> new shower head that I have no pressure. My house was built in 87 before
>> the lower volumes. I have replaced the faucets in both bathroom sinks.
>> But only one shower where it is really noticeable.
>>
>> Anyway Would like to know how to solve my slop sink problem... The
>> fountain pump doesn't put out enough pressure to drive the restricted
>> faucets. But does put out quite a bit of water..
>> Anyone have any ideas where to get an unrestricted spout?
>>
>> On 6/8/2012 5:54 PM, Sonny wrote:
>>> On Jun 8, 4:11 pm, "Mike Marlow"<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> tiredofspam wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So the faucet is useless. The 2.2gpm faucet is restricting the flow
>>>>> too much and the pressure from the pump is too low. Called tech
>>>>> support and they say the 2.2gpm require 65lbs of pressure.
>>>>
>>>> I don't get that statement. Most residential well pumps are factory
>>>> set at
>>>> 50psi cut out and 30 psi cut it, and they work just fine with faucets.
>>>> Something doesn't even seem close to right with what they told you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> No wonder my replacement shower head and valve don't work well.
>>>>> I have well water and my pump is 35lbs... Way below..
>>>>
>>>> Cut in pressure. How do they work when the pump gets the tank up to
>>>> pressure?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> -Mike-
>>>> [email protected]
>>>
>>> Maybe he has a filter between the pump and the faucet and the filter
>>> needs cleaning or relacing..... might make for better pressure in the
>>> shower.
>>>
>>> My sister had low pressure in her house and we discovered the filter
>>> needed cleaning.
>>>
>>> *She had called a plumber friend and he recommended checking for a
>>> filter and, if so, check the filter. .... so we didn't discover this
>>> on our own.
>>>
>>> Sonny
>
> Is it possible to use a drill?
>
> In mine there was a piece of rubber with a tiny hole in it that was the
> restricter. House was built 4 years ago
>