On Mon, 8 Feb 2010 10:05:25 -0800 (PST), the infamous Robatoy
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>On Feb 8, 12:31 pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 2/8/10 3:02 AM, Upscale wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > Noticed a Rockler pocket hole clamp on their website. Seemed it could
>> > be a useful clamp for those people who regularly use their Kreg Pocket
>> > Hold jig.
>> >http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=22178&TabSelect=Videos
>>
>> Aaaaand add this to the list of times I get that get reaction of, "Man,
>> why didn't I patent that idea when I had it?"
>>
>What kind of residuals would one get if one did have the patent?
Maybe a buck per? Definitely worthwhile.
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On Feb 8, 1:49=A0pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I figure, if NO glue is strong enough, then a LITTLE glue would be
> strong enough, too.
>
Makes sense.
On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 11:47:51 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 2/8/10 8:26 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> Hold jig.
>>>> http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=22178&TabSelect=Videos
>>>
>>> I bought a couple. Will come in handy when needed, because I have had
>>> trouble with subtle shifts when assembling.
>>
>> It seems to me that the screw will pull things together in the way
>> this clamp works. What I have trouble with is keeping the faces flush.
>> Using their vise grip style clamp (or any other clamp) solves that
>> problem. Has anyone actually used this clamp and does it keep things
>> flush?
>
>
>Looking at the cut profile view..
>http://images.rockler.com/rockler/images/38518-09-500.jpg
>...I think it's impossible for the pieces to *not* be flush.
>
>I like the vise grip clamp, too, but it doesn't allow you to rest the
>stock flat on the table, like this Rockler one? That's a huge advantage
>in my book.
...I got a couple of those things and they work OK...but I've gotten
in the habit of clamping to my assembly table which puts bearing on
the pieces totally...works more better, at least for me!
cg
>
>The other advantage is they way it clamps box sides as shown here...
>http://images.rockler.com/rockler/images/38518-02-500.jpg
>
>Here's how this thing rates a big FAIL for me...
>Why not make the clamp adjustment a spring-handle vise-grip style mechanism?
>Boooooooooooo!
>
>Maybe they *did* design a vise-grip version that will come out in a year
>for 30 bucks.
On Feb 8, 4:14=A0pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 2/8/10 3:13 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>
> > On Feb 8, 1:49 pm, -MIKE-<[email protected]> =A0wrote:
>
> >> I figure, if NO glue is strong enough, then a LITTLE glue would be
> >> strong enough, too.
>
> > Makes sense.
>
> This thing lit a little fire in me... I'm working on a quick-n-dirty
> version, right now.
>
> video to follow.
>
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Would it involve a drum skin tensioner?
On 08 Feb 2010 11:54:13 GMT, Han <[email protected]> wrote:
>Upscale <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>>
>> Noticed a Rockler pocket hole clamp on their website. Seemed it could
>> be a useful clamp for those people who regularly use their Kreg Pocket
>> Hold jig.
>> http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=22178&TabSelect=Videos
>
>I bought a couple. Will come in handy when needed, because I have had
>trouble with subtle shifts when assembling.
It seems to me that the screw will pull things together in the way
this clamp works. What I have trouble with is keeping the faces flush.
Using their vise grip style clamp (or any other clamp) solves that
problem. Has anyone actually used this clamp and does it keep things
flush?
Upscale <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> Noticed a Rockler pocket hole clamp on their website. Seemed it could
> be a useful clamp for those people who regularly use their Kreg Pocket
> Hold jig.
> http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=22178&TabSelect=Videos
I bought a couple. Will come in handy when needed, because I have had
trouble with subtle shifts when assembling.
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Han
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On Feb 8, 1:24=A0pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 2/8/10 12:17 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>
> > Fails to solve the basic alignment problem of the pieces secured by
> > the screw.
>
> > Lew
>
> I think it solves that problem, very well...http://images.rockler.com/roc=
kler/images/38518-09-500.jpg
>
> Both pieces are being held securely against the clamp, which keeps the
> faces flush.
>
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So... what happens to the squeeze-out?
On Feb 8, 12:31=A0pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 2/8/10 3:02 AM, Upscale wrote:
>
>
>
> > Noticed a Rockler pocket hole clamp on their website. Seemed it could
> > be a useful clamp for those people who regularly use their Kreg Pocket
> > Hold jig.
> >http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=3D22178&TabSelect=3DVideos
>
> Aaaaand add this to the list of times I get that get reaction of, "Man,
> why didn't I patent that idea when I had it?"
>
What kind of residuals would one get if one did have the patent?
On 2/8/10 3:02 AM, Upscale wrote:
>
> Noticed a Rockler pocket hole clamp on their website. Seemed it could
> be a useful clamp for those people who regularly use their Kreg Pocket
> Hold jig.
> http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=22178&TabSelect=Videos
Aaaaand add this to the list of times I get that get reaction of, "Man,
why didn't I patent that idea when I had it?"
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On 2/8/10 8:26 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> Hold jig.
>>> http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=22178&TabSelect=Videos
>>
>> I bought a couple. Will come in handy when needed, because I have had
>> trouble with subtle shifts when assembling.
>
> It seems to me that the screw will pull things together in the way
> this clamp works. What I have trouble with is keeping the faces flush.
> Using their vise grip style clamp (or any other clamp) solves that
> problem. Has anyone actually used this clamp and does it keep things
> flush?
Looking at the cut profile view..
http://images.rockler.com/rockler/images/38518-09-500.jpg
...I think it's impossible for the pieces to *not* be flush.
I like the vise grip clamp, too, but it doesn't allow you to rest the
stock flat on the table, like this Rockler one? That's a huge advantage
in my book.
The other advantage is they way it clamps box sides as shown here...
http://images.rockler.com/rockler/images/38518-02-500.jpg
Here's how this thing rates a big FAIL for me...
Why not make the clamp adjustment a spring-handle vise-grip style mechanism?
Boooooooooooo!
Maybe they *did* design a vise-grip version that will come out in a year
for 30 bucks.
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-MIKE-
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On 2/8/10 12:05 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Feb 8, 12:31 pm, -MIKE-<[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 2/8/10 3:02 AM, Upscale wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Noticed a Rockler pocket hole clamp on their website. Seemed it could
>>> be a useful clamp for those people who regularly use their Kreg Pocket
>>> Hold jig.
>>> http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=22178&TabSelect=Videos
>>
>> Aaaaand add this to the list of times I get that get reaction of, "Man,
>> why didn't I patent that idea when I had it?"
>>
> What kind of residuals would one get if one did have the patent?
>
Why? Do you? :-)
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On 2/8/10 12:15 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 2/8/10 12:05 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>> What kind of residuals would one get if one did have the patent?
>>
>
> Why? Do you? :-)
>
By the way, it looks like something which could be easily fabricated
from scraps, a 5/16" knob/bolt, and a t-nut/threaded insert, huh?
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On 2/8/10 12:17 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> Fails to solve the basic alignment problem of the pieces secured by
> the screw.
>
> Lew
>
I think it solves that problem, very well...
http://images.rockler.com/rockler/images/38518-09-500.jpg
Both pieces are being held securely against the clamp, which keeps the
faces flush.
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
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-MIKE- wrote:
> On 2/8/10 8:26 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> Hold jig.
>>>> http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=22178&TabSelect=Videos
>>>
>>> I bought a couple. Will come in handy when needed, because I have had
>>> trouble with subtle shifts when assembling.
>>
>> It seems to me that the screw will pull things together in the way
>> this clamp works. What I have trouble with is keeping the faces flush.
>> Using their vise grip style clamp (or any other clamp) solves that
>> problem. Has anyone actually used this clamp and does it keep things
>> flush?
>
>
> Looking at the cut profile view..
> http://images.rockler.com/rockler/images/38518-09-500.jpg
> ...I think it's impossible for the pieces to *not* be flush.
>
> I like the vise grip clamp, too, but it doesn't allow you to rest the
> stock flat on the table, like this Rockler one? That's a huge advantage
> in my book.
I like that feature of this clamp. Always have a problem hanging the
faceframe over the edge of the bench and trying to square it. Although it
should square itself it everything is square to begin with.
>
> The other advantage is they way it clamps box sides as shown here...
> http://images.rockler.com/rockler/images/38518-02-500.jpg
Good point! I may have to try this thing out.
>
> Here's how this thing rates a big FAIL for me...
> Why not make the clamp adjustment a spring-handle vise-grip style
> mechanism? Boooooooooooo!
>
> Maybe they *did* design a vise-grip version that will come out in a year
> for 30 bucks.
>
>
Rockler is infamous for selling gimmicks that you don't need or don't work
all that well.
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On 2/8/10 12:26 PM, Evodawg wrote:
> Rockler is infamous for selling gimmicks that you don't need or don't work
> all that well.
Or for pricing them *juuuuuust* high enough that you want to go out in
the shop and build your own. :-)
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On 2/8/10 12:28 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Feb 8, 1:24 pm, -MIKE-<[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 2/8/10 12:17 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
>>
>>> Fails to solve the basic alignment problem of the pieces secured by
>>> the screw.
>>
>>> Lew
>>
>> I think it solves that problem, very well...http://images.rockler.com/rockler/images/38518-09-500.jpg
>>
>> Both pieces are being held securely against the clamp, which keeps the
>> faces flush.
>>
>
> So... what happens to the squeeze-out?
I suppose the same thing that happens to it on Kreg's bench clamping
system.
There seem to be less surface area covered by this Rockler clamp than
Kreg's bench Klamp...
<http://www.kregtool.com/products/images/gallery/prd_84_411.jpg>
Here's another can of worms to open up....
According to Kreg, you don't even need glue with pocket joinery.
Personally, I'm too anal to not use glue. Last time I used pocket
holes, however, I got pretty good with using "only enough" glue and had
minimal, if any, squeeze out.
I figure, if NO glue is strong enough, then a LITTLE glue would be
strong enough, too.
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On 2/8/10 3:13 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Feb 8, 1:49 pm, -MIKE-<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> I figure, if NO glue is strong enough, then a LITTLE glue would be
>> strong enough, too.
>>
>
> Makes sense.
This thing lit a little fire in me... I'm working on a quick-n-dirty
version, right now.
video to follow.
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
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On 2/8/10 6:13 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>>
>> This thing lit a little fire in me... I'm working on a quick-n-dirty
>> version, right now.
>>
>
> Would it involve a drum skin tensioner?
No. :-)
Trying to visualize that.
I linked to the video in separate post.
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