Installing 10' ceiling . . ..

Typical asshole . . likes to start shit . . but then wants to act like he
meant nothing when his wormy hand is called . .
"Locutus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Steve DeMars" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:Tkb3g.28215$_z2.20705@dukeread02...
> > The big issue is why after reading my post . . . that clearly ask for
> > SUGGESTIONS and clearly states NO friends or hire available . . . And
your
> > smartass answer is "don't you have any friends" Do you just assume only
> > you
> > are smart enough to ask a friend . . .
> > Your next comment re: drywall lift
> > was " he probably won't be able to find that either" That my feeble
> > minded friend makes you the ASS ! ! !
> >
>
> You need help my friend, and not with hanging plywood. I was simply
> conversing.
>
> Since you said you were near where Katrina construction, I am suprised
that
> there are jacks to be had. It was an off the cuff comment, you must be
> having a bad day.
>
> I hope you feel better now.
>
>

Steve DeMars wrote:
> Need some suggestions . . . Shop size 20' X 22' with 10' ceiling height.
> Need suggestions how to get 1/2" Luan up there by myself . . .
>
> All my walls are 1/2" Luan . . Attached with 1-1/4" McFeely square drive
> screws . . . Plan to use 2" on the ceiling . . .

Rent a drywall panel lift. Probably about $50 for the day, and you
should be able to do the ceiling in a couple of hours.
http://contractorstools.com/telpanllift.html

R

Steve DeMars wrote:
> Need some suggestions . . . Shop size 20' X 22' with 10' ceiling height.
> Need suggestions how to get 1/2" Luan up there by myself . . .
>
> All my walls are 1/2" Luan . . Attached with 1-1/4" McFeely square drive
> screws . . . Plan to use 2" on the ceiling . . .
>
> Getting help or hiring help is not an option . . . Everyone in this area
> that can swing a hammer is working on new construction or rebuilding New
> Orleans . . .
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Steve

Well, I'm in BR, and I've got some free time. My folks live on the
Northshore. That's only 11 sheets--should take no time at all. Send
me an email if you like--remove the obvious.

-Phil Crow

"Steve DeMars" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Aqa3g.28208$_z2.14208@dukeread02...
> Need some suggestions . . . Shop size 20' X 22' with 10' ceiling height.
> Need suggestions how to get 1/2" Luan up there by myself . . .
>
> All my walls are 1/2" Luan . . Attached with 1-1/4" McFeely square drive
> screws . . . Plan to use 2" on the ceiling . . .
>
> Getting help or hiring help is not an option . . . Everyone in this area
> that can swing a hammer is working on new construction or rebuilding New
> Orleans . . .
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Steve
>

You don't have any friends?

"RicodJour" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Steve DeMars wrote:
>> Need some suggestions . . . Shop size 20' X 22' with 10' ceiling height.
>> Need suggestions how to get 1/2" Luan up there by myself . . .
>>
>> All my walls are 1/2" Luan . . Attached with 1-1/4" McFeely square drive
>> screws . . . Plan to use 2" on the ceiling . . .
>
> Rent a drywall panel lift. Probably about $50 for the day, and you
> should be able to do the ceiling in a couple of hours.
> http://contractorstools.com/telpanllift.html
>
> R
>

There is probably a good chance he wont find any of those around either.

"Steve DeMars" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:bGa3g.28209$_z2.24390@dukeread02...
> Non with any skills . . .


How much skill do you need to stand on a ladder and hold something up? :)

How 'bout the wife??

"Steve DeMars" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Aqa3g.28208$_z2.14208@dukeread02...
> Need some suggestions . . . Shop size 20' X 22' with 10' ceiling height.
> Need suggestions how to get 1/2" Luan up there by myself . . .
>
> All my walls are 1/2" Luan . . Attached with 1-1/4" McFeely square drive
> screws . . . Plan to use 2" on the ceiling . . .
>
> Getting help or hiring help is not an option . . . Everyone in this area
> that can swing a hammer is working on new construction or rebuilding New
> Orleans . . .
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Steve
>

One other consideration, you will be working in a fire box.

"Steve DeMars" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:gXa3g.28211$_z2.4465@dukeread02...
> Are you always such a simpleton smart ass?
>
> What do you do so fucking well that makes you such a genius . . . .?
>

Overreact much?

It was an honest question.. (meaning, you don't have any friends who can
help you?)...

"Steve DeMars" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:3_a3g.28212$_z2.5558@dukeread02...
> So how do I climb and stand on a ladder and screw a full sheet of plywood
> to
> a 10' foot ceiling?
> You must have never done this yourself.
>

My brother and I just installed Drywall in a house with 10' ceilings that we
are rehabbing. We did not use a jack (we are cheap bastards).

It's not too difficult, put a drill on your belt, each person holds an end,
climb the step ladder in unison, place the material, hold it in place with
your forearm/shoulder, and put a few screws in it. Luan is significantly
lighter than 1/2" drywall.

I admit, the wife probably wouldn't be much use. :)

The bigger question is, why are you being such an ass?

"Steve DeMars" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Z%a3g.28213$_z2.14650@dukeread02...
> You are an idiot . . . If you beleive that shit that drywall doesn't burn
> .
> . come work with me a few days . . I'm an insurance adjuster . . . Dry
> wall only slows the spread . . . from room to room . . .
>

WTF is your problem????

"Steve DeMars" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Tkb3g.28215$_z2.20705@dukeread02...
> The big issue is why after reading my post . . . that clearly ask for
> SUGGESTIONS and clearly states NO friends or hire available . . . And your
> smartass answer is "don't you have any friends" Do you just assume only
> you
> are smart enough to ask a friend . . .
> Your next comment re: drywall lift
> was " he probably won't be able to find that either" That my feeble
> minded friend makes you the ASS ! ! !
>

You need help my friend, and not with hanging plywood. I was simply
conversing.

Since you said you were near where Katrina construction, I am suprised that
there are jacks to be had. It was an off the cuff comment, you must be
having a bad day.

I hope you feel better now.

"Steve DeMars" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:0Ab3g.28221$_z2.14775@dukeread02...
> Typical asshole . . likes to start shit . . but then wants to act like he
> meant nothing when his wormy hand is called . .

Whatever dude. I'm done with you.

"Steve DeMars" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:BOb3g.28231$_z2.14736@dukeread02...
> The king has spoken . . . oh yes your master . . . Trekie moron . . .
>

So now you are going through my past posts on here and replying with
non-sensical comments?

Jeez, I apologize already.

"Steve DeMars" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:u_b3g.28232$_z2.22923@dukeread02...
> Apology accepted . . .
>
> And yes I am having a horrible day . . . In the past I lined up "friends"
> to
> help with ceiling NO SHOW ! ! ! Hired a guy, NO SHOW ! ! !
>
> This has been going on for over a month and my permitt is expiring . . .
> can
> not be re-newed thanks to new building codes caused by Katrina . . .
>
> Now you see why I'm a little ticked over you first replies . .
>

Np, I know what it's like to have not have people show. Everyone talks about
how bad the economy is, yet I can't ever get anyone to show up to work!

jimbo wrote:

> Steve:
>
> First, let me say thanks for using our screws! (Whether you call them
> Square Drive, Robertson, or ScruLox - as they were called by the
> original inventor's company in Canada until several years ago!)
> You may wish to rethink your ceiling from a safety stadpoint. Putting
> wood on the wall and ceiling of a shop sounds like a great idea at
> first, but it creates a tinderbox from a fire safety standpoint. A
> better approach is to install drywall for the ceiling, then panel over
> it with the luan. I will be doing that very thing in my own new shop
> very soon (but first I need to make a set of kitchen cabinets).
>
> HTH,
> Jim Ray, President
> McFeely's Square Drive Screws
> www.mcfeelys.com <http://www.mcfeelys.com>
>
> "Steve DeMars" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:Aqa3g.28208$_z2.14208@dukeread02...
[snip]

Jim,
We appreciate your participation in our group. Keep it up. Oh, and I
will shamelessly admit to being one of your satisfied customers.
mahalo,
jo4hn

<[email protected]> wrote in message
> Upscale you ain't nearly half as bright as you think you are.


Quite possibly. But at least I'm smart enough to be able to get deliveries
to my home.

Condescending insults are not conversing . . . .




"Locutus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Steve DeMars" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:Tkb3g.28215$_z2.20705@dukeread02...
> > The big issue is why after reading my post . . . that clearly ask for
> > SUGGESTIONS and clearly states NO friends or hire available . . . And
your
> > smartass answer is "don't you have any friends" Do you just assume only
> > you
> > are smart enough to ask a friend . . .
> > Your next comment re: drywall lift
> > was " he probably won't be able to find that either" That my feeble
> > minded friend makes you the ASS ! ! !
> >
>
> You need help my friend, and not with hanging plywood. I was simply
> conversing.
>
> Since you said you were near where Katrina construction, I am suprised
that
> there are jacks to be had. It was an off the cuff comment, you must be
> having a bad day.
>
> I hope you feel better now.
>
>

So how do I climb and stand on a ladder and screw a full sheet of plywood to
a 10' foot ceiling?
You must have never done this yourself.

"Locutus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Steve DeMars" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:bGa3g.28209$_z2.24390@dukeread02...
> > Non with any skills . . .
>
>
> How much skill do you need to stand on a ladder and hold something up? :)
>
> How 'bout the wife??
>
>

"Steve DeMars" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:iLe3g.28244$_z2.9838@dukeread02...
> Thanks . . . as to the 1/8" spacing . . so far on my walls I have not
> been
> spacing . . . my therory is that since the shop is not climate controlled
> yet . . . with the high humidity as a norm here in Louisiana, I am
> assuming
> when I A/C the shop, remove moisture, I will start seeing a gap anyway . .
> .
> any thoughts on that . . .
>
> Steve
>

Why not just use drywall on the ceiling? I can see some durability benefits
using ply on the walls, but not the ceiling. Is drywall still hard to come
by down there?

>
>> All my walls are 1/2" Luan . . Attached with 1-1/4" McFeely square drive
>> screws . . . Plan to use 2" on the ceiling . . .
>>
>Steve
>>
>>
>Rent a drywall lift .. .. ..

And start calling McFeely square drive screws Robertson screws like
the real inventor of them did. I'll bet you call Phillips head
screws 'star'.

And Walmart has a sale on friends. You can get about 7 for 22$.

Thanks

I'm really leaning toward the drywall lift . . . I have a short time span
before I return to work . . . storms are popping up everywhere & I'm an
adjuster . . .

Thanks, Steve


"Markem" <markem(sixoneeight)@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:20:48 -0500, "Steve DeMars"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Need some suggestions . . . Shop size 20' X 22' with 10' ceiling height.
> >Need suggestions how to get 1/2" Luan up there by myself . . .
> >
> >All my walls are 1/2" Luan . . Attached with 1-1/4" McFeely square drive
> >screws . . . Plan to use 2" on the ceiling . . .
> >
> >Getting help or hiring help is not an option . . . Everyone in this area
> >that can swing a hammer is working on new construction or rebuilding New
> >Orleans . . .
>
> Dead men actually about 10' 1" tall and a scaffold (milk crates and
> 2x10s work great but you might need something abit taller).
>
> Mark
> (sixoneeight) = 618

Located the Panel Lifts at a local rental store . . . $32.50 per day . . .
tha is cheap help . . . and probably won't complain or whine . . .

Thanks . . . I had heard of them but never have seen or used one . . .

Thanks again . . . Steve



"Steve DeMars" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Aqa3g.28208$_z2.14208@dukeread02...
> Need some suggestions . . . Shop size 20' X 22' with 10' ceiling height.
> Need suggestions how to get 1/2" Luan up there by myself . . .
>
> All my walls are 1/2" Luan . . Attached with 1-1/4" McFeely square drive
> screws . . . Plan to use 2" on the ceiling . . .
>
> Getting help or hiring help is not an option . . . Everyone in this area
> that can swing a hammer is working on new construction or rebuilding New
> Orleans . . .
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Steve
>
>

On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:11:55 -0700, Enoch Root <[email protected]> wrote:

>Oh, and I already caught to you pulling your newsgroup followup fun

Your buddy Upscale is not quite that bright, he has become a bit of a regular in
alt.idiots.
It's a perfect fit for him. Wouldn't you agree?

On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:20:31 -0700, Enoch Root <[email protected]> wrote:

>Upscale wrote:
>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>>>On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:37:15 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>And Walmart has a sale on friends. You can get about 7 for 22$.
>>>
>>>But do they speak English?
>>
>>
>> No, spoken English is only for those people that have a street address. For
>> anybody with a P.O. Box, Walmart restricts them to a rare
>> Hungarian/Ethiopian dialect.
>
>So what's up with you and bipolars, anyway?
>
He's anal retentive?

Thats creative . . .
Thanks
Steve

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:20:48 -0500, "Steve DeMars" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
> >Need some suggestions . . . Shop size 20' X 22' with 10' ceiling height.
> >Need suggestions how to get 1/2" Luan up there by myself . . .
> >
> >All my walls are 1/2" Luan . . Attached with 1-1/4" McFeely square drive
> >screws . . . Plan to use 2" on the ceiling . . .
> >
> >Getting help or hiring help is not an option . . . Everyone in this area
> >that can swing a hammer is working on new construction or rebuilding New
> >Orleans . . .
> >
> I did a 14 by 18 drywall ceiling by myself using a 2x4 sling six feet from
the
> wall. Use long 5 inch screws and suspend a 2x4 under the ceiling joist
about 2
> inches. Leaving more than 4 feet between screws. Use another 2x4 to travel
from
> the sling to the wall in the middle of the drywall sheet.
> Standing on a sturdy workbench lift the drywall and slide it above the 2x4
sling
> along the 2x4 and hopefully into the space above the drywall on the wall.
> This takes planning but it is doable.
> I installed 3 8 foot and 3 ten foot 1/2 inch sheets of drywall this way,
single
> handed in a shop full of tools and lumber.

The king has spoken . . . oh yes your master . . . Trekie moron . . .


"Locutus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Steve DeMars" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:0Ab3g.28221$_z2.14775@dukeread02...
> > Typical asshole . . likes to start shit . . but then wants to act like
he
> > meant nothing when his wormy hand is called . .
>
> Whatever dude. I'm done with you.
>
>

I'm not in that good of shape . . . . But I must say that is a very
creative way of getting the job done . . .




<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:24:49 -0500, "Steve DeMars" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
> >Thats creative . . .
>
> Thanks.
> Those 3 ten footers almost killed me. :)
> But if you are fit and your standing bench is a long enough you can do it.
>
> >Thanks
> >Steve
> >
> ><[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:20:48 -0500, "Steve DeMars"
<[email protected]>
> >wrote:
> >>
> >> >Need some suggestions . . . Shop size 20' X 22' with 10' ceiling
height.
> >> >Need suggestions how to get 1/2" Luan up there by myself . . .
> >> >
> >> >All my walls are 1/2" Luan . . Attached with 1-1/4" McFeely square
drive
> >> >screws . . . Plan to use 2" on the ceiling . . .
> >> >
> >> >Getting help or hiring help is not an option . . . Everyone in this
area
> >> >that can swing a hammer is working on new construction or rebuilding
New
> >> >Orleans . . .
> >> >
> >> I did a 14 by 18 drywall ceiling by myself using a 2x4 sling six feet
from
> >the
> >> wall. Use long 5 inch screws and suspend a 2x4 under the ceiling joist
> >about 2
> >> inches. Leaving more than 4 feet between screws. Use another 2x4 to
travel
> >from
> >> the sling to the wall in the middle of the drywall sheet.
> >> Standing on a sturdy workbench lift the drywall and slide it above the
2x4
> >sling
> >> along the 2x4 and hopefully into the space above the drywall on the
wall.
> >> This takes planning but it is doable.
> >> I installed 3 8 foot and 3 ten foot 1/2 inch sheets of drywall this
way,
> >single
> >> handed in a shop full of tools and lumber.
> >
>

The big issue is why after reading my post . . . that clearly ask for
SUGGESTIONS and clearly states NO friends or hire available . . . And your
smartass answer is "don't you have any friends" Do you just assume only you
are smart enough to ask a friend . . . Your next comment re: drywall lift
was " he probably won't be able to find that either" That my feeble
minded friend makes you the ASS ! ! !

If you have nothing to contribute but smart ass condescending remarks, that
is what you will get back . .


"Locutus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Steve DeMars" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:3_a3g.28212$_z2.5558@dukeread02...
> > So how do I climb and stand on a ladder and screw a full sheet of
plywood
> > to
> > a 10' foot ceiling?
> > You must have never done this yourself.
> >
>
> My brother and I just installed Drywall in a house with 10' ceilings that
we
> are rehabbing. We did not use a jack (we are cheap bastards).
>
> It's not too difficult, put a drill on your belt, each person holds an
end,
> climb the step ladder in unison, place the material, hold it in place with
> your forearm/shoulder, and put a few screws in it. Luan is significantly
> lighter than 1/2" drywall.
>
> I admit, the wife probably wouldn't be much use. :)
>
> The bigger question is, why are you being such an ass?
>
>

Thanks I appreciate it . . .
Steve

"Tim Taylor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:vme3g.119341$oL.107570@attbi_s71...
>
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:20:48 -0500, "Steve DeMars"
<[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>Need some suggestions . . . Shop size 20' X 22' with 10' ceiling height.
> >>Need suggestions how to get 1/2" Luan up there by myself . . .
> >>
> >>All my walls are 1/2" Luan . . Attached with 1-1/4" McFeely square
drive
> >>screws . . . Plan to use 2" on the ceiling . . .
> >>
> >>Getting help or hiring help is not an option . . . Everyone in this area
> >>that can swing a hammer is working on new construction or rebuilding New
> >>Orleans . . .
> >>
> > I did a 14 by 18 drywall ceiling by myself using a 2x4 sling six feet
from
> > the
> > wall. Use long 5 inch screws and suspend a 2x4 under the ceiling joist
> > about 2
> > inches. Leaving more than 4 feet between screws. Use another 2x4 to
travel
> > from
> > the sling to the wall in the middle of the drywall sheet.
> > Standing on a sturdy workbench lift the drywall and slide it above the
2x4
> > sling
> > along the 2x4 and hopefully into the space above the drywall on the
wall.
> > This takes planning but it is doable.
> > I installed 3 8 foot and 3 ten foot 1/2 inch sheets of drywall this way,
> > single
> > handed in a shop full of tools and lumber.
>
> Exactly what I was going to suggest, but after the argument, I'm staying
> outta of it!!! I did my basement by myself with 12' 5/8" drywall.
>
>

"Steve DeMars" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Aqa3g.28208$_z2.14208@dukeread02...
> Need some suggestions . . . Shop size 20' X 22' with 10' ceiling height.
> Need suggestions how to get 1/2" Luan up there by myself . . .
>
> All my walls are 1/2" Luan . . Attached with 1-1/4" McFeely square drive
> screws . . . Plan to use 2" on the ceiling . . .
>
> Getting help or hiring help is not an option . . . Everyone in this area
> that can swing a hammer is working on new construction or rebuilding New
> Orleans . . .
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Steve
>
>

Rent a drywall lift. Or, use 1 8' stepladder and 1 10' "dead man"

You are an idiot . . . If you beleive that shit that drywall doesn't burn .
. come work with me a few days . . I'm an insurance adjuster . . . Dry
wall only slows the spread . . . from room to room . . .


"Locutus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Steve DeMars" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:Aqa3g.28208$_z2.14208@dukeread02...
> > Need some suggestions . . . Shop size 20' X 22' with 10' ceiling height.
> > Need suggestions how to get 1/2" Luan up there by myself . . .
> >
> > All my walls are 1/2" Luan . . Attached with 1-1/4" McFeely square
drive
> > screws . . . Plan to use 2" on the ceiling . . .
> >
> > Getting help or hiring help is not an option . . . Everyone in this area
> > that can swing a hammer is working on new construction or rebuilding New
> > Orleans . . .
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Steve
> >
>
> One other consideration, you will be working in a fire box.
>
>

As those below have said... lift is best, if available.
T-shaped sticks, of whatever name, work too.
To help with the T-shaped sticks, use a cleat at the "end you're not at."
A 1 x 3, screwed to the support/joist at the edge of the last panel, but
flush with the lower surface of that panel. Makes a little 1/2" pocket for
the next sheet to go in. Slide the edge of the new sheet in the pocket,
then,
while keeping some pressure to keep it seated, walk underneath it,
pushing it up and then introducing the T-stick to hold up the loose end.
Once that's up and wedged in, you can tap the edges with a block and hammer
to line things up, add another T-stick if needed to reduce bowing, and
fasten away.
The two or three screws holding the cleat in either dig dents for
themselves,
or provide 1/8" spacing between panels, which ever you prefer.

The cleat serves to keep things relatively steady while wedging the
T-sticks,
rather than having two spindly, wobbly things holding up a sheet that's
swaying
dangerously because it's not tight against the ceiling yet. Been there,
done that,
got the t-shrit.

ASCII drawing attempt:

========|__ =====
old sheet pocket new sheet

Bet that'll look good...

When doing things like this, alone, I usually pre-dial 911 and put my
phone where I'll fall on the "send" button...

"Chip"


"Steve DeMars" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Aqa3g.28208$_z2.14208@dukeread02...
> Need some suggestions . . . Shop size 20' X 22' with 10' ceiling height.
> Need suggestions how to get 1/2" Luan up there by myself . . .
>
> All my walls are 1/2" Luan . . Attached with 1-1/4" McFeely square drive
> screws . . . Plan to use 2" on the ceiling . . .
>
> Getting help or hiring help is not an option . . . Everyone in this area
> that can swing a hammer is working on new construction or rebuilding New
> Orleans . . .
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Steve
>
>

On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 00:49:31 GMT, "Tim Taylor" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
><[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:20:48 -0500, "Steve DeMars" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Need some suggestions . . . Shop size 20' X 22' with 10' ceiling height.
>>>Need suggestions how to get 1/2" Luan up there by myself . . .
>>>
>>>All my walls are 1/2" Luan . . Attached with 1-1/4" McFeely square drive
>>>screws . . . Plan to use 2" on the ceiling . . .
>>>
>>>Getting help or hiring help is not an option . . . Everyone in this area
>>>that can swing a hammer is working on new construction or rebuilding New
>>>Orleans . . .
>>>
>> I did a 14 by 18 drywall ceiling by myself using a 2x4 sling six feet from
>> the
>> wall. Use long 5 inch screws and suspend a 2x4 under the ceiling joist
>> about 2
>> inches. Leaving more than 4 feet between screws. Use another 2x4 to travel
>> from
>> the sling to the wall in the middle of the drywall sheet.
>> Standing on a sturdy workbench lift the drywall and slide it above the 2x4
>> sling
>> along the 2x4 and hopefully into the space above the drywall on the wall.
>> This takes planning but it is doable.
>> I installed 3 8 foot and 3 ten foot 1/2 inch sheets of drywall this way,
>> single
>> handed in a shop full of tools and lumber.
>
>Exactly what I was going to suggest, but after the argument, I'm staying
>outta of it!!! I did my basement by myself with 12' 5/8" drywall.
>

But was it a ten foot ceiling?<g>
Those 2 extra feet are a killer.
I'm not sure I could even lift one end of 12' 5/8 drywall.

<[email protected]> wrote in message
> On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:37:15 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >And Walmart has a sale on friends. You can get about 7 for 22$.
> But do they speak English?

No, spoken English is only for those people that have a street address. For
anybody with a P.O. Box, Walmart restricts them to a rare
Hungarian/Ethiopian dialect.

Non with any skills . . .
"Locutus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Steve DeMars" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:Aqa3g.28208$_z2.14208@dukeread02...
> > Need some suggestions . . . Shop size 20' X 22' with 10' ceiling height.
> > Need suggestions how to get 1/2" Luan up there by myself . . .
> >
> > All my walls are 1/2" Luan . . Attached with 1-1/4" McFeely square
drive
> > screws . . . Plan to use 2" on the ceiling . . .
> >
> > Getting help or hiring help is not an option . . . Everyone in this area
> > that can swing a hammer is working on new construction or rebuilding New
> > Orleans . . .
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Steve
> >
>
> You don't have any friends?
>
>

"Enoch Root" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >
> > I'm a wannabe.
>
> You must be exuding something to draw them to you. Maybe you should
> consider changing aftershaves, or taking a shower, or something?

Nah! It's my smart ass mouth and irresistible urge to poke trolls and
wannabe trolls that draws them in like moths to a flame. Of course, that
suggests that somewhere in my genes, there's a few lurking strands of troll
heritage trying to get out.

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:20:48 -0500, "Steve DeMars" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Need some suggestions . . . Shop size 20' X 22' with 10' ceiling height.
>Need suggestions how to get 1/2" Luan up there by myself . . .
>
>All my walls are 1/2" Luan . . Attached with 1-1/4" McFeely square drive
>screws . . . Plan to use 2" on the ceiling . . .
>
>Getting help or hiring help is not an option . . . Everyone in this area
>that can swing a hammer is working on new construction or rebuilding New
>Orleans . . .
>
I did a 14 by 18 drywall ceiling by myself using a 2x4 sling six feet from the
wall. Use long 5 inch screws and suspend a 2x4 under the ceiling joist about 2
inches. Leaving more than 4 feet between screws. Use another 2x4 to travel from
the sling to the wall in the middle of the drywall sheet.
Standing on a sturdy workbench lift the drywall and slide it above the 2x4 sling
along the 2x4 and hopefully into the space above the drywall on the wall.
This takes planning but it is doable.
I installed 3 8 foot and 3 ten foot 1/2 inch sheets of drywall this way, single
handed in a shop full of tools and lumber.

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Steve DeMars wrote:
> Need some suggestions . . . Shop size 20' X 22' with 10' ceiling height.
> Need suggestions how to get 1/2" Luan up there by myself . . .
>
> All my walls are 1/2" Luan . . Attached with 1-1/4" McFeely square drive
> screws . . . Plan to use 2" on the ceiling . . .
>
> Getting help or hiring help is not an option . . . Everyone in this area
> that can swing a hammer is working on new construction or rebuilding New
> Orleans . . .
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Steve
>
>
Rent a drywall lift .. .. ..

"Enoch Root" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >
> > No, spoken English is only for those people that have a street address.
For
> > anybody with a P.O. Box, Walmart restricts them to a rare
> > Hungarian/Ethiopian dialect.
>
> So what's up with you and bipolars, anyway?

I'm a wannabe.

Are you always such a simpleton smart ass?

What do you do so fucking well that makes you such a genius . . . .?

"Locutus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Steve DeMars" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:Aqa3g.28208$_z2.14208@dukeread02...
> > Need some suggestions . . . Shop size 20' X 22' with 10' ceiling height.
> > Need suggestions how to get 1/2" Luan up there by myself . . .
> >
> > All my walls are 1/2" Luan . . Attached with 1-1/4" McFeely square
drive
> > screws . . . Plan to use 2" on the ceiling . . .
> >
> > Getting help or hiring help is not an option . . . Everyone in this area
> > that can swing a hammer is working on new construction or rebuilding New
> > Orleans . . .
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Steve
> >
>
> You don't have any friends?
>
>

Upscale wrote:
> "Enoch Root" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>>>No, spoken English is only for those people that have a street address.
>
> For
>
>>>anybody with a P.O. Box, Walmart restricts them to a rare
>>>Hungarian/Ethiopian dialect.
>>
>>So what's up with you and bipolars, anyway?
>
>
> I'm a wannabe.

?

You must be exuding something to draw them to you. Maybe you should
consider changing aftershaves, or taking a shower, or something?

;-)

er
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On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:58:40 -0500, "Steve DeMars" <[email protected]> wrote:

>So how do I climb and stand on a ladder and screw a full sheet of plywood to
>a 10' foot ceiling?

Forget the ladder. A strong workbench is better. Or use a single 10' scaffolding
walkway resting on two benches. You want to be about 3 feet off the floor.

> You must have never done this yourself.
>
>"Locutus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Steve DeMars" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:bGa3g.28209$_z2.24390@dukeread02...
>> > Non with any skills . . .
>>
>>
>> How much skill do you need to stand on a ladder and hold something up? :)
>>
>> How 'bout the wife??
>>
>>
>

Thanks . . . as to the 1/8" spacing . . so far on my walls I have not been
spacing . . . my therory is that since the shop is not climate controlled
yet . . . with the high humidity as a norm here in Louisiana, I am assuming
when I A/C the shop, remove moisture, I will start seeing a gap anyway . . .
any thoughts on that . . .

Steve

"Chip Chester" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> As those below have said... lift is best, if available.
> T-shaped sticks, of whatever name, work too.
> To help with the T-shaped sticks, use a cleat at the "end you're not at."
> A 1 x 3, screwed to the support/joist at the edge of the last panel, but
> flush with the lower surface of that panel. Makes a little 1/2" pocket
for
> the next sheet to go in. Slide the edge of the new sheet in the pocket,
> then,
> while keeping some pressure to keep it seated, walk underneath it,
> pushing it up and then introducing the T-stick to hold up the loose end.
> Once that's up and wedged in, you can tap the edges with a block and
hammer
> to line things up, add another T-stick if needed to reduce bowing, and
> fasten away.
> The two or three screws holding the cleat in either dig dents for
> themselves,
> or provide 1/8" spacing between panels, which ever you prefer.
>
> The cleat serves to keep things relatively steady while wedging the
> T-sticks,
> rather than having two spindly, wobbly things holding up a sheet that's
> swaying
> dangerously because it's not tight against the ceiling yet. Been there,
> done that,
> got the t-shrit.
>
> ASCII drawing attempt:
>
> ========|__ =====
> old sheet pocket new sheet
>
> Bet that'll look good...
>
> When doing things like this, alone, I usually pre-dial 911 and put my
> phone where I'll fall on the "send" button...
>
> "Chip"
>
>
> "Steve DeMars" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:Aqa3g.28208$_z2.14208@dukeread02...
> > Need some suggestions . . . Shop size 20' X 22' with 10' ceiling height.
> > Need suggestions how to get 1/2" Luan up there by myself . . .
> >
> > All my walls are 1/2" Luan . . Attached with 1-1/4" McFeely square
drive
> > screws . . . Plan to use 2" on the ceiling . . .
> >
> > Getting help or hiring help is not an option . . . Everyone in this area
> > that can swing a hammer is working on new construction or rebuilding New
> > Orleans . . .
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Steve
> >
> >
>
>

On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:37:15 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

>And Walmart has a sale on friends. You can get about 7 for 22$.

But do they speak English?

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:20:48 -0500, "Steve DeMars"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Need some suggestions . . . Shop size 20' X 22' with 10' ceiling height.
>Need suggestions how to get 1/2" Luan up there by myself . . .
>
>All my walls are 1/2" Luan . . Attached with 1-1/4" McFeely square drive
>screws . . . Plan to use 2" on the ceiling . . .
>
>Getting help or hiring help is not an option . . . Everyone in this area
>that can swing a hammer is working on new construction or rebuilding New
>Orleans . . .

Dead men actually about 10' 1" tall and a scaffold (milk crates and
2x10s work great but you might need something abit taller).

Mark
(sixoneeight) = 618

Well no, it's only 8 foot, but the whole point is how you and I both did it.
And yes, it was a bitch, I hurt for a week, but it had to be done and that's
the way I thought of. I was working nights, and everybody I knew that could
help worked days, so what are you going to do. And if your thinking why
5/8", it was free. I did my whole basement, ceiling and walls, and gave a
bunch of it away. Over estimate or something on a job site I was doing some
work at.

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 00:49:31 GMT, "Tim Taylor" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>><[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:20:48 -0500, "Steve DeMars"
>>> <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Need some suggestions . . . Shop size 20' X 22' with 10' ceiling height.
>>>>Need suggestions how to get 1/2" Luan up there by myself . . .
>>>>
>>>>All my walls are 1/2" Luan . . Attached with 1-1/4" McFeely square
>>>>drive
>>>>screws . . . Plan to use 2" on the ceiling . . .
>>>>
>>>>Getting help or hiring help is not an option . . . Everyone in this area
>>>>that can swing a hammer is working on new construction or rebuilding New
>>>>Orleans . . .
>>>>
>>> I did a 14 by 18 drywall ceiling by myself using a 2x4 sling six feet
>>> from
>>> the
>>> wall. Use long 5 inch screws and suspend a 2x4 under the ceiling joist
>>> about 2
>>> inches. Leaving more than 4 feet between screws. Use another 2x4 to
>>> travel
>>> from
>>> the sling to the wall in the middle of the drywall sheet.
>>> Standing on a sturdy workbench lift the drywall and slide it above the
>>> 2x4
>>> sling
>>> along the 2x4 and hopefully into the space above the drywall on the
>>> wall.
>>> This takes planning but it is doable.
>>> I installed 3 8 foot and 3 ten foot 1/2 inch sheets of drywall this way,
>>> single
>>> handed in a shop full of tools and lumber.
>>
>>Exactly what I was going to suggest, but after the argument, I'm staying
>>outta of it!!! I did my basement by myself with 12' 5/8" drywall.
>>
>
> But was it a ten foot ceiling?<g>
> Those 2 extra feet are a killer.
> I'm not sure I could even lift one end of 12' 5/8 drywall.

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:24:49 -0500, "Steve DeMars" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Thats creative . . .

Thanks.
Those 3 ten footers almost killed me. :)
But if you are fit and your standing bench is a long enough you can do it.

>Thanks
>Steve
>
><[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:20:48 -0500, "Steve DeMars" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>>
>> >Need some suggestions . . . Shop size 20' X 22' with 10' ceiling height.
>> >Need suggestions how to get 1/2" Luan up there by myself . . .
>> >
>> >All my walls are 1/2" Luan . . Attached with 1-1/4" McFeely square drive
>> >screws . . . Plan to use 2" on the ceiling . . .
>> >
>> >Getting help or hiring help is not an option . . . Everyone in this area
>> >that can swing a hammer is working on new construction or rebuilding New
>> >Orleans . . .
>> >
>> I did a 14 by 18 drywall ceiling by myself using a 2x4 sling six feet from
>the
>> wall. Use long 5 inch screws and suspend a 2x4 under the ceiling joist
>about 2
>> inches. Leaving more than 4 feet between screws. Use another 2x4 to travel
>from
>> the sling to the wall in the middle of the drywall sheet.
>> Standing on a sturdy workbench lift the drywall and slide it above the 2x4
>sling
>> along the 2x4 and hopefully into the space above the drywall on the wall.
>> This takes planning but it is doable.
>> I installed 3 8 foot and 3 ten foot 1/2 inch sheets of drywall this way,
>single
>> handed in a shop full of tools and lumber.
>

It is actually more expensive than Luan . . . . Have thought of doing it,
but I think my luck may be better handling Luan. Not worried about the
lights, I'm using electronic ballast (no heat). If I were using magnetic
ballast, I would have to go with drywall or fir out with it . . .

I am still trying to get a price from a guy to install drywall . . . I think
drywall would help with the sound also . . .

Thanks
Steve


"Locutus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Steve DeMars" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:iLe3g.28244$_z2.9838@dukeread02...
> > Thanks . . . as to the 1/8" spacing . . so far on my walls I have not
> > been
> > spacing . . . my therory is that since the shop is not climate
controlled
> > yet . . . with the high humidity as a norm here in Louisiana, I am
> > assuming
> > when I A/C the shop, remove moisture, I will start seeing a gap anyway .
.
> > .
> > any thoughts on that . . .
> >
> > Steve
> >
>
> Why not just use drywall on the ceiling? I can see some durability
benefits
> using ply on the walls, but not the ceiling. Is drywall still hard to come
> by down there?
>
>
>

On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:46:47 -0700, Enoch Root <[email protected]> wrote:

>>>So what's up with you and bipolars, anyway?
>>
>>
>> I'm a wannabe.
>
>?
>
>You must be exuding something to draw them to you.

look who's talking...and replying:)
Do either of you goofs ever do any woodworking?
Maybe you could suck up the courage to troll a tough news group for a change.
Troll wannabe's like you two turds are a joke.

On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:00:07 -0400, "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote:

>"Enoch Root" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >
>> > I'm a wannabe.
>>
>> You must be exuding something to draw them to you. Maybe you should
>> consider changing aftershaves, or taking a shower, or something?
>
>Nah! It's my smart ass mouth

LOL!
Upscale you ain't nearly half as bright as you think you are.

"Steve DeMars" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Tkb3g.28215$_z2.20705@dukeread02...
> The big issue is why after reading my post . . . that clearly ask for
> SUGGESTIONS and clearly states NO friends or hire available . . . And your
> smartass answer is "don't you have any friends" Do you just assume only
> you
> are smart enough to ask a friend . . . Your next comment re: drywall lift
> was " he probably won't be able to find that either" That my feeble
> minded friend makes you the ASS ! ! !
>
> If you have nothing to contribute but smart ass condescending remarks,
> that
> is what you will get back . .
>
>

When I have to do something like this I make what I call dummies but I am
sure that there is a real name. Basically 12 foot 2x4 s cut to the correct
height, with a 4 foot "T" at the top. the "T" should be wrapped in
something soft to protect the wood. Make a bunch of them and prop up the
panels with the dummies while you screw in place.

On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 00:24:28 -0400, "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote:

><[email protected]> wrote in message
>> Upscale you ain't nearly half as bright as you think you are.
>
>
>Quite possibly. But at least I'm smart enough to be able to get deliveries
>to my home.
>
Yawn.
But not smart enough to come up with a new line.:)

Upscale wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>>On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:37:15 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>
>>>And Walmart has a sale on friends. You can get about 7 for 22$.
>>
>>But do they speak English?
>
>
> No, spoken English is only for those people that have a street address. For
> anybody with a P.O. Box, Walmart restricts them to a rare
> Hungarian/Ethiopian dialect.

So what's up with you and bipolars, anyway?

er
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Apology accepted . . .

And yes I am having a horrible day . . . In the past I lined up "friends" to
help with ceiling NO SHOW ! ! ! Hired a guy, NO SHOW ! ! !

This has been going on for over a month and my permitt is expiring . . . can
not be re-newed thanks to new building codes caused by Katrina . . .

Now you see why I'm a little ticked over you first replies . .

And yes I am somewhat mentally disturbed, that is what is required to do
what I do for a living . . . we all have built in bullshit/asshole
detector, so sometimes we do not appear the nicest of people when you lift
our rock and poke at us . . .

Take care,
Steve




"Locutus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Steve DeMars" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:BOb3g.28231$_z2.14736@dukeread02...
> > The king has spoken . . . oh yes your master . . . Trekie moron . . .
> >
>
> So now you are going through my past posts on here and replying with
> non-sensical comments?
>
> Jeez, I apologize already.
>
>

[email protected] was found lurking in enoch's killfile, saying:
> On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:46:47 -0700, Enoch Root <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>>>So what's up with you and bipolars, anyway?
>>>
>>>
>>>I'm a wannabe.
>>
>>?
>>
>>You must be exuding something to draw them to you.
>
>
> look who's talking...and replying:)
['get a real news group' shtick, elided]

I looked. First time through I parsed that as 'stalking...and replying'.

Yep.

Oh, and I already caught to you pulling your newsgroup followup fun and
games on someone else a long time ago.

er
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On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:12:37 -0400, "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote:

><[email protected]> wrote in message
>> On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:37:15 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>> >And Walmart has a sale on friends. You can get about 7 for 22$.
>> But do they speak English?
>
>No, spoken English is only for those people that have a street address. For
>anybody with a P.O. Box, Walmart restricts them to a rare
>Hungarian/Ethiopian dialect.
>
milyen?

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:20:48 -0500, "Steve DeMars" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>Need some suggestions . . . Shop size 20' X 22' with 10' ceiling height.
>>Need suggestions how to get 1/2" Luan up there by myself . . .
>>
>>All my walls are 1/2" Luan . . Attached with 1-1/4" McFeely square drive
>>screws . . . Plan to use 2" on the ceiling . . .
>>
>>Getting help or hiring help is not an option . . . Everyone in this area
>>that can swing a hammer is working on new construction or rebuilding New
>>Orleans . . .
>>
> I did a 14 by 18 drywall ceiling by myself using a 2x4 sling six feet from
> the
> wall. Use long 5 inch screws and suspend a 2x4 under the ceiling joist
> about 2
> inches. Leaving more than 4 feet between screws. Use another 2x4 to travel
> from
> the sling to the wall in the middle of the drywall sheet.
> Standing on a sturdy workbench lift the drywall and slide it above the 2x4
> sling
> along the 2x4 and hopefully into the space above the drywall on the wall.
> This takes planning but it is doable.
> I installed 3 8 foot and 3 ten foot 1/2 inch sheets of drywall this way,
> single
> handed in a shop full of tools and lumber.

Exactly what I was going to suggest, but after the argument, I'm staying
outta of it!!! I did my basement by myself with 12' 5/8" drywall.