In article <[email protected]>, Upscale
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Funny how it's just you that is being trolled. I wonder why that could be?
I got bored with him a couple of weeks ago... He's too small to bother
with.
In article <[email protected]>, jj <jj@no_spam.net> wrote:
> These people are under the mistaken premise that they are
> anonymous, but THEY CAN BE TRACKED DOWN and dealt with in an
> appropriate manner.
Like, for instance, by calling tech contact Stuart Kendrick
(1-206-667-6974) and asking him about the Fred Hutchinson Cancer
Research Center net use policy, particularly from IP address
140.107.151.95?
And, is your mail stop J3-400?
In article <[email protected]>, Enoch
Root <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hmm. On second thought, I take that back.
I find it amusing that he seems to think I post under some illusion of
anonymity, considering I use my real name and own my domain.
"jj" <jj@no_spam.net> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>I have some veneer projects in the queue that will need the services of a
>vacuum pump. I'm not really interesting in building one. What are some mfgs
>to look at. Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
Check around auto repair shops. Many have older R12 vacuum pumps they no
longer use. I picked up two for $20.
Dave
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"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> > It pretty easy to see why the group has gone for a complete shit.
>
> Yea, right. Now you're trying to take the high road. Fat chance, fuckwit.
Of course, the real irony is if the rec has gone to shit, he's one of the
contributors to it being so.
On Tue, 09 May 2006 07:16:41 -0700, jj wrote:
> I have some veneer projects in the queue that will need the services of
> a vacuum pump. I'm not really interesting in building one. What are some
> mfgs to look at. Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks in advance.
http://www.vacuum-press.com/
http://www.vacupress.com/
http://www.vac-u-clamp.com/
--
Art
On Tue, 09 May 2006 19:51:15 GMT, Pat Barber wrote:
> The cheaper version : http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx?familyid=5200
> or
> http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx?familyid=5086
The electric one looks OK, and its a good price. A couple of things I think
you give up, relative to the costlier systems, are (1) the pump runs
continuously, and that noise might be a concern; (2) it is a small pump, and
it will take a long time to pump down a large bag & fixture.
I wouldn't take the hand-operatoed version seriously for anything other than
simple veneering of small work using PVA glue. Aside from the obvious
difficulty pumping down a larger bag & fixture, the fact is that no system is
entirely leak-free, so an application using a slow setting adhesive would mean
you have to periodically pump down the bag.
I built my system using parts purchased from joewoodworker.com, and have a
system with decent capacity (a 4x8 bag and large bending form is no problem)
using a regulated pump for about the cost of the pump & bag from Woodcraft.
The OP didn't say what his application is, but he did say that he didn't want
to build.
--
Art
On Wed, 10 May 2006 18:53:01 -0700, Enoch Root <[email protected]> wrote:
>Enoch Root wrote:
>> Dave Balderstone wrote:
>>
>>>In article <[email protected]>, jj <jj@no_spam.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>These people are under the mistaken premise that they are
>>>>anonymous, but THEY CAN BE TRACKED DOWN and dealt with in an
>>>>appropriate manner.
>>>
>>>
>>>Like, for instance, by calling tech contact Stuart Kendrick
>>>(1-206-667-6974) and asking him about the Fred Hutchinson Cancer
>>>Research Center net use policy, particularly from IP address
>>>140.107.151.95?
>>>
>>>And, is your mail stop J3-400?
>>
>>
>> I suggest you read his post again, if you think he's trolling you.
>
>Hmm. On second thought, I take that back.
>
But he's brighter than you, troll.
On Tue, 09 May 2006 13:56:01 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>
> I have to disagree with this, at least related to some vacuum bags. My SO
> has that vacuum storage system you see on the Home Shopping network.
> http://www.comforthouse.com/spacebag.html She has a couple that have
> stayed fully 'vacuum packed' for over two years. Some leak some don't.
Hardly the same amount of vacuum used in a press. Much easier to keep a seal.
--
Art
On Tue, 09 May 2006 15:00:49 -0700, Wes Stewart wrote:
> Really?
Perhaps you misunderstood. My point is that the common storage bags, emptied
by a household vacuum cleaner, do not achieve the level of vacuum as is
employed in a veneer press (by at least a factor of 2 or 3), and at the lower
inside/outside differential, it is easier to maintain that partial vacuum.
--
Art
On Wed, 10 May 2006 09:49:43 -0700, jj wrote:
> Hey Art. See you are a scuba diver. We have a lot in common. I have 600
> dives myself mostly in and around Puget Sound. Give me a ping at (remove
> spaces and reconstruct -- damn spam)
>
> s c u b a . j o h n
> AT
> c om c a s t . c o m
Tried and bounced. Try sending me a note at [email protected]. Only one
eclipse.
--
Art
On Wed, 10 May 2006 14:54:12 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
> I have plenty of questions about veneering with a vacuum system
[... snip ...]
> I don't think a single person who has actually done vacuum veneering has
> responded to any of the threads on the subject.
[... snip ...]
> There was one 'helpful' poster who said vacuum systems leak so you need a pump
> that runs constantly. That was just plain nonsense.
"Jimmy",
For someone who admits to never having done it, you seem to know all about
it.
I have a vacuum veneering system. I've used it, successfully, more than once.
I don't claim to be an expert, but I'd have been happy to share what I do know
and have learned by actually doing that kind of work. I've posted a web
address where you can see some of my work, in this thread and others.
But after that snide remark, which you made based on information gleaned using
your fully developed 3rd grade reading skills, I won't bother to direct any
useful information your way. I can tell you wouldn't understand it, much less
appreciate it. You're on your own, as far as I am concerned.
Oh, and you're #1 in my KF. Have a nice life.
--
Art
On Wed, 10 May 2006 01:30:55 -0400, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>> It pretty easy to see why the group has gone for a complete shit.
>
>Yea, right. Now you're trying to take the high road. Fat chance, fuckwit.
LOL!
No high road here. I'm down in the gutter with shit heads like you. :)
But I'm not the one who turned this group into a toilet. It's losers like you
and the other circle jerking trolls who did that. Congratulations dickhead.
On Tue, 09 May 2006 21:26:14 -0000, Art Greenberg <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Tue, 09 May 2006 13:56:01 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>> I have to disagree with this, at least related to some vacuum bags. My SO
>> has that vacuum storage system you see on the Home Shopping network.
>> http://www.comforthouse.com/spacebag.html She has a couple that have
>> stayed fully 'vacuum packed' for over two years. Some leak some don't.
>
>Hardly the same amount of vacuum used in a press. Much easier to keep a seal.
Really?
The pressure developed by the vacuum bag is the result of creating a
pressure differential between the inside and outside of the bag.
The pressure outside the bag is ~14.7 lb/in^2 (psi) at standard
temperature at sea level. The absolute maximum pressure the bag can
develop is 14.7 psi regardless of how good the vacuum is inside the
bag. Sucking harder can't make it better.
So if you have a partial vacuum that leaves a residual pressure inside
the bag of 0.1 psi is this really a big deal? Is the veneer going to
lay flatter with an additional 0.1 psi?
And is it really that much easier to keep the bag sealed against a
differential of 14.6 psi than it is 14.65 psi?
jj wrote:
> I have some veneer projects in the queue that will need the services of
> a vacuum pump. I'm not really interesting in building one. What are some
> mfgs to look at. Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
Gast Rotary Vane
http://www.gastmfg.com/rotaryvane.html
Check E-Bay or ping Bill Noble over at "rec.crafts.woodturning. Bill
normally has a few used ones for sale. His web site is:
http://www.wbnoble.com/
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
[email protected]
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"jj" <jj@no_spam.net> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>I have some veneer projects in the queue that will need the services of a
>vacuum pump. I'm not really interesting in building one. What are some mfgs
>to look at. Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
www.joewoodworker.com
"Art Greenberg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> I built my system using parts purchased from joewoodworker.com, and have a
> system with decent capacity (a 4x8 bag and large bending form is no
> problem)
> using a regulated pump for about the cost of the pump & bag from
> Woodcraft.
Are you using the ventura system that runs off of a compressor?
Dave Balderstone wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, jj <jj@no_spam.net> wrote:
>
>
>>These people are under the mistaken premise that they are
>>anonymous, but THEY CAN BE TRACKED DOWN and dealt with in an
>>appropriate manner.
>
>
> Like, for instance, by calling tech contact Stuart Kendrick
> (1-206-667-6974) and asking him about the Fred Hutchinson Cancer
> Research Center net use policy, particularly from IP address
> 140.107.151.95?
>
> And, is your mail stop J3-400?
I suggest you read his post again, if you think he's trolling you.
er
--
email not valid
Enoch Root wrote:
> Dave Balderstone wrote:
>
>>In article <[email protected]>, jj <jj@no_spam.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>These people are under the mistaken premise that they are
>>>anonymous, but THEY CAN BE TRACKED DOWN and dealt with in an
>>>appropriate manner.
>>
>>
>>Like, for instance, by calling tech contact Stuart Kendrick
>>(1-206-667-6974) and asking him about the Fred Hutchinson Cancer
>>Research Center net use policy, particularly from IP address
>>140.107.151.95?
>>
>>And, is your mail stop J3-400?
>
>
> I suggest you read his post again, if you think he's trolling you.
Hmm. On second thought, I take that back.
er
--
email not valid
<[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> The problem is the Wreck circle jerk of losers like Upscale and
Balderstoned
> have driven almost every truly knowledgeable woodworker out of this group
with
> their trolling.
Funny how it's just you that is being trolled. I wonder why that could be?
"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> The problem is the Wreck circle jerk of losers like Upscale and
> Balderstoned
>> have driven almost every truly knowledgeable woodworker out of this group
> with
>> their trolling.
>
> Funny how it's just you that is being trolled. I wonder why that could be?
Does not have a good news reader? :~)
The cheaper version : http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx?familyid=5200
or
http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx?familyid=5086
jj wrote:
> I have some veneer projects in the queue that will need the services of
> a vacuum pump. I'm not really interesting in building one. What are some
> mfgs to look at. Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
On Wed, 10 May 2006 23:52:29 -0000, Art Greenberg <[email protected]> brags:
>I have a vacuum veneering system. I've used it, successfully, more than once.
Good for you!
Art has a vacuum veneering system and he's used it successfully more than ONCE.
Wow!
On Wed, 10 May 2006 14:13:18 -0700, jj <jj@no_spam.net> wrote:
>[email protected] wrote:
>> On Wed, 10 May 2006 13:09:20 -0700, jj <jj@no_spam.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Unfortunately this not a moderated group, meaning everyone has access.
>>> Worthy individuals as well as losers. Just get a good news reader that
>>> has good filter functions. I just ignore the losers and appreciate the
>>> worthy individuals that take time to reply in a thoughtful manner.
>>
>> The problem is the Wreck circle jerk of losers like Upscale and Balderstoned
>> have driven almost every truly knowledgeable woodworker out of this group with
>> their trolling. It's a joke now.
>>
>BTW. A newsreader that has good filtering is Agent found at
>http://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php.
I've owned a copy of Agent since 1996. Great news reader.
But back on topic.
I have plenty of questions about veneering with a vacuum system, but other than
Rob Lee I never got any answers here. Rob pointed me to several websites that
make the hand pump vacuum system look damned good. I'm going to try one.
I am wondering how careful you have to be with the shape of the object being
compressed. Can I veneer a box or will the corners damage the bag? Stuff like
that.
Everyone who can actually walk the walk appears to have left this group.
I don't think a single person who has actually done vacuum veneering has
responded to any of the threads on the subject.
There was one 'helpful' poster who said vacuum systems leak so you need a pump
that runs constantly. That was just plain nonsense.
I have some very bumpy veneers set aside as unusable. I have no idea what wood
they are but I would love to use them on some of my chessboards and small boxes
if I can flatten them.
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] wrote:
> On Tue, 09 May 2006 20:41:27 -0000, Art Greenberg <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >I wouldn't take the hand-operatoed version seriously for anything other than
> >simple veneering of small work using PVA glue. Aside from the obvious
> >difficulty pumping down a larger bag & fixture, the fact is that no system is
> >entirely leak-free,
>
> I have to disagree with this, at least related to some vacuum bags. My SO has
> that vacuum storage system you see on the Home Shopping network.
> http://www.comforthouse.com/spacebag.html
> She has a couple that have stayed fully 'vacuum packed' for over two years.
> Some leak some don't.
Seems to me, that she really *is* into all things vacuum, hence her
relationship with you.
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] wrote:
> It pretty easy to see why the group has gone for a complete shit.
Yea, right. Now you're trying to take the high road. Fat chance, fuckwit.
On Wed, 10 May 2006 14:04:31 -0700, jj <jj@no_spam.net> wrote:
>[email protected] wrote:
>> On Wed, 10 May 2006 13:09:20 -0700, jj <jj@no_spam.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Unfortunately this not a moderated group, meaning everyone has access.
>>> Worthy individuals as well as losers. Just get a good news reader that
>>> has good filter functions. I just ignore the losers and appreciate the
>>> worthy individuals that take time to reply in a thoughtful manner.
>>
>> The problem is the Wreck circle jerk of losers like Upscale and Balderstoned
>> have driven almost every truly knowledgeable woodworker out of this group with
>> their trolling. It's a joke now.
>>
>Yes, it is unfortunate these kind of people exist. I sure would not have
>to deal with that fact that every time I looked in the mirror there was
>a total loser looking back me at like Upscale and Balderstoned deal with
>every day. These people are under the mistaken premise that they are
>anonymous, but THEY CAN BE TRACKED DOWN and dealt with in an appropriate
>manner.
Compost them?:)
Art Greenberg wrote:
> On Tue, 09 May 2006 07:16:41 -0700, jj wrote:
>> I have some veneer projects in the queue that will need the services of
>> a vacuum pump. I'm not really interesting in building one. What are some
>> mfgs to look at. Any suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>
> http://www.vacuum-press.com/
> http://www.vacupress.com/
> http://www.vac-u-clamp.com/
>
Hey Art. See you are a scuba diver. We have a lot in common. I have 600
dives myself mostly in and around Puget Sound. Give me a ping at (remove
spaces and reconstruct -- damn spam)
s c u b a . j o h n
AT
c om c a s t . c o m
[email protected] wrote:
> On Wed, 10 May 2006 13:09:20 -0700, jj <jj@no_spam.net> wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately this not a moderated group, meaning everyone has access.
>> Worthy individuals as well as losers. Just get a good news reader that
>> has good filter functions. I just ignore the losers and appreciate the
>> worthy individuals that take time to reply in a thoughtful manner.
>
> The problem is the Wreck circle jerk of losers like Upscale and Balderstoned
> have driven almost every truly knowledgeable woodworker out of this group with
> their trolling. It's a joke now.
>
Yes, it is unfortunate these kind of people exist. I sure would not have
to deal with that fact that every time I looked in the mirror there was
a total loser looking back me at like Upscale and Balderstoned deal with
every day. These people are under the mistaken premise that they are
anonymous, but THEY CAN BE TRACKED DOWN and dealt with in an appropriate
manner. Many people do not realize how many tracks they leave going
online. One these days they will over step the bounds. For me, I just
add them to my kill file.
[email protected] wrote:
> On Wed, 10 May 2006 13:09:20 -0700, jj <jj@no_spam.net> wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately this not a moderated group, meaning everyone has access.
>> Worthy individuals as well as losers. Just get a good news reader that
>> has good filter functions. I just ignore the losers and appreciate the
>> worthy individuals that take time to reply in a thoughtful manner.
>
> The problem is the Wreck circle jerk of losers like Upscale and Balderstoned
> have driven almost every truly knowledgeable woodworker out of this group with
> their trolling. It's a joke now.
>
BTW. A newsreader that has good filtering is Agent found at
http://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php. When one of the
bottom feeders pops up in the newsreader add them to your kill file
and you don't have to bother with their dribble.
Just remember the saying, "You can never win an argument with an
ignorant individual." They will not be smart enough to know they have
lost and will go on and on........
So, again let me thank the ones that do contribute.
On Wed, 10 May 2006 16:37:59 -0400, Village idiot third class "Upscale"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Funny how it's just you that is being trolled.
LOL!
On Wed, 10 May 2006 01:55:31 -0400, "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>
>> > It pretty easy to see why the group has gone for a complete shit.
>>
>> Yea, right. Now you're trying to take the high road. Fat chance, fuckwit.
>
>Of course, the real irony is if the rec has gone to shit, he's one of the
>contributors to it being so.
>
ROTFLMAO!
Great post. How perfectly clueless.
On Wed, 10 May 2006 13:09:20 -0700, jj <jj@no_spam.net> wrote:
>Unfortunately this not a moderated group, meaning everyone has access.
>Worthy individuals as well as losers. Just get a good news reader that
>has good filter functions. I just ignore the losers and appreciate the
>worthy individuals that take time to reply in a thoughtful manner.
The problem is the Wreck circle jerk of losers like Upscale and Balderstoned
have driven almost every truly knowledgeable woodworker out of this group with
their trolling. It's a joke now.
On Wed, 10 May 2006 18:46:02 -0700, Enoch Root <[email protected]> wrote:
>Dave Balderstone wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>, jj <jj@no_spam.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>These people are under the mistaken premise that they are
>>>anonymous, but THEY CAN BE TRACKED DOWN and dealt with in an
>>>appropriate manner.
>>
>>
>> Like, for instance, by calling tech contact Stuart Kendrick
>> (1-206-667-6974) and asking him about the Fred Hutchinson Cancer
>> Research Center net use policy, particularly from IP address
>> 140.107.151.95?
>>
>> And, is your mail stop J3-400?
>
>I suggest you read his post again, if you think he's trolling you.
>
Balderstoned ain't the brightest bulb in the string.
On Wed, 10 May 2006 16:46:50 -0600, Village Idiot Third Class Dave Balderstone
<dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> whined:
>In article <[email protected]>, jj <jj@no_spam.net> wrote:
>
>> These people are under the mistaken premise that they are
>> anonymous, but THEY CAN BE TRACKED DOWN and dealt with in an
>> appropriate manner.
>
>Like, for instance,
Dave, you're COMPOST! <g>
On Tue, 09 May 2006 20:41:27 -0000, Art Greenberg <[email protected]> wrote:
>I wouldn't take the hand-operatoed version seriously for anything other than
>simple veneering of small work using PVA glue. Aside from the obvious
>difficulty pumping down a larger bag & fixture, the fact is that no system is
>entirely leak-free,
I have to disagree with this, at least related to some vacuum bags. My SO has
that vacuum storage system you see on the Home Shopping network.
http://www.comforthouse.com/spacebag.html
She has a couple that have stayed fully 'vacuum packed' for over two years.
Some leak some don't.
On Tue, 09 May 2006 23:51:03 -0400, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 09 May 2006 20:41:27 -0000, Art Greenberg <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >I wouldn't take the hand-operatoed version seriously for anything other than
>> >simple veneering of small work using PVA glue. Aside from the obvious
>> >difficulty pumping down a larger bag & fixture, the fact is that no system is
>> >entirely leak-free,
>>
>> I have to disagree with this, at least related to some vacuum bags. My SO has
>> that vacuum storage system you see on the Home Shopping network.
>> http://www.comforthouse.com/spacebag.html
>> She has a couple that have stayed fully 'vacuum packed' for over two years.
>> Some leak some don't.
>
>Seems to me, that she really *is* into all things vacuum, hence her
>relationship with you.
It pretty easy to see why the group has gone for a complete shit.