Hello No problum with cows hide glue. Only Want to avoid daily heating
before applying the hide glue. SaeedCh .
Andy Dingley wrote:
> On 18 Jan 2005 18:51:07 -0800, "SaeedCh" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >I like to learn from the experience of members about making liquid
hide
> >glue.No branded liquid glue is available here in my and nearby
> >cities.Hide glue is available.
>
> Hello Saeed,
>
> I'm not quite clear what you're after? Am I right?
>
> You do have non-liquid hide glue. This is solid beads that you soak
in
> water then heat in a pot.
>
> You want a cold liquid hide glue, like this
>
http://www.titebond.com/IntroPageTB.ASP?UserType=1&ProdSel=ProductCategoryTB.asp?prodcat=1
> It's stored in a bottle, ready for immediate use.
>
>
> Now as far as I know, it's not practical to make your own liquid hide
> glue. It's a complicated bit of chemistry and Titebond is the only
> brand commercially available, because the simpler formulations just
> don't keep well.
>
> I have an old (1921) copy of Spon's Workshop Receipts, which includes
> a number of recipes for liquid hide glue. None of them are
> particularly reliable! Some use hide glue and nitric acid, one uses
2
> parts of hide glue and one part of whisky, kept in a well-stoppered
> bottle ! These just aren't recipes that are easy to make, are
> particularly safe to make, or seem reliable for storage.
>
> I like liquid hide glue and I use it a lot. But I could manage
> without, either by making up hot hide glue when I needed it, or by
> using white PVA glue that is cheaply and commonly available.
>
> If there's a problem with hide glue, posssibly because of the use of
> cows, then you might be able to use fish glue or rabbit-skin glue
> instead. I also use rabbit-skin glue a lot, especially for paper and
> bookbinding. Unlike hide glue it is flexible when dried, but
otherwise
> it's quite similar.
Here rabbit glue isn't available only hide glue is aavailable.SaeedCh
Australopithecus scobis wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 05:22:31 +0000, Andy Dingley wrote:
>
> > I also use rabbit-skin glue a lot, especially for paper and
> > bookbinding. Unlike hide glue it is flexible when dried, but
otherwise
> > it's quite similar.
>
> (idle curiosity)
> Do you know how cow and rabbit glues differ? Collagen is collagen,
one
> would think. Perhaps the difference isn't species, but hoof versus
skin?
>
>
> --
> "Keep your ass behind you"
> vladimir a t mad {dot} scientist {dot} com
Silvan wrote:
> Larry Blanchard wrote:
>
>
>>The anniversary of his death was a couple of days ago. The average
>>person probably knows more lines from Kipling than from any other poet.
>
>
> Did he write "Roses are red, violets are blue....?" :)
>
It goes like this:
Roses are red,
Violets are purple.
Sugar is sweet,
So's maple surple.
(thanks to Roger Miller)
In article <[email protected]>, Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Reminds me of Kipling's "And the gods of the copybook headings limped up
> to explain it again."
There's a Canuck blog called "The Gods of the Copybook Headings"
<http://godscopybook.blogs.com/> ...
djb
--
"I'm a man, but I can change... If I have to... I guess." -- Red Green
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:40:21 -0600, Australopithecus scobis
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Do you know how cow and rabbit glues differ?
Well I can tell which is which when I'm using them, but not as to
_why_.
>Collagen is collagen, one would think.
One is Kim Basinger's lips, one is a boiled cow ?
>Perhaps the difference isn't species, but hoof versus skin?
AFAIK, hide glue is made from hides, not from hooves. Although you
could make glue from hooves and the various internal gristly bits,
they take too much cooking to be worthwhile. So for at least a
century or two the hooves went off for either fertiliser or
case-hardening steel, and the glue was made from un-tanned trimmings
of the tanning trade, or from old horses.
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:36:05 -0600, Australopithecus scobis
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Which begs the question, if one refrains from staining one's
>cherry project, could one glue it up with cherry Jello?
No idea.
But I have made dye lasers from jello (lime and tangerine worked
best). Really nasty cheap Korean whiskey-drink worked too. You've
got to love those artificial colours.
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> "Sometimes history doesn't repeat itself. It just yells
> 'can't you remember anything I've told you?' and lets
> fly with a club.
>
Reminds me of Kipling's "And the gods of the copybook headings limped up
to explain it again."
The anniversary of his death was a couple of days ago. The average
person probably knows more lines from Kipling than from any other poet.
--
Homo sapiens is a goal, not a description
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:36:23 -0800, Larry Blanchard
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Reminds me of Kipling's "And the gods of the copybook headings limped up
> >to explain it again."
>
> Would it surprise you to know that that's one of my favorite Kipling
> poems?
>
There are so many. I'm partial to the "history of England" ones,
especially the pre-conquest ones. Some of the ones from Puck of Pooks
Hill are great. Hearthsong of the Dane Women is a favorite, as is The
Sons of Martha and The Last of the Light Brigade.
Have you ever read his travel books? His trip through America
especially. The US and Canada through the eyes of an improper Victorian
:-).
--
Homo sapiens is a goal, not a description
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Problem is, a lot of his stuff leaves me ambivalent. He was a great
> poet -- when he chose to be -- and a wonderful storyteller, but by our
> standards he was basically not a very nice person. You might say he
> possessed both the virtues and faults of Victorian/Edwardian England
> to fine, high excess.
>
Can't argue with that, but there's the question of fairness in judging
him by todays standards. And in fact he seemed to have a higher opinion
of the Empire's subject races than a lot of his contemporaries.
And I've noted that a lot of highly talented people have been arrogant
SOBs or at least had unconventional social habits. Seems to go with the
territory. I try to just enjoy their talents, since I don't have to put
up with them in person :-).
Come to think of it, I was probably in the top 1% of computer
programmers in my day, and I was a PITA to a lot of folks. Tarred with
my own brush :-).
--
Homo sapiens is a goal, not a description
Larry Blanchard wrote:
> The anniversary of his death was a couple of days ago. The average
> person probably knows more lines from Kipling than from any other poet.
Did he write "Roses are red, violets are blue....?" :)
--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/
jo4hn wrote:
>> Did he write "Roses are red, violets are blue....?" :)
>>
> It goes like this:
>
> Roses are red,
> Violets are purple.
> Sugar is sweet,
> So's maple surple.
>
> (thanks to Roger Miller)
Roger Miller? I thought that was Shakespeare?
--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 17:38:13 -0800, Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] says...
>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:36:23 -0800, Larry Blanchard
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >Reminds me of Kipling's "And the gods of the copybook headings limped up
>> >to explain it again."
>>
>> Would it surprise you to know that that's one of my favorite Kipling
>> poems?
>>
>
>There are so many. I'm partial to the "history of England" ones,
>especially the pre-conquest ones. Some of the ones from Puck of Pooks
>Hill are great. Hearthsong of the Dane Women is a favorite, as is The
>Sons of Martha and The Last of the Light Brigade.
"This is no common earth,
nor water wood or air
but Merlin's isle of Grammery
where you and I must fare."
>
>Have you ever read his travel books? His trip through America
>especially. The US and Canada through the eyes of an improper Victorian
>:-).
Yeah, I have read some of his travel books. Along with a _lot_ of his
fiction.
Problem is, a lot of his stuff leaves me ambivalent. He was a great
poet -- when he chose to be -- and a wonderful storyteller, but by our
standards he was basically not a very nice person. You might say he
possessed both the virtues and faults of Victorian/Edwardian England
to fine, high excess.
--RC
"Sometimes history doesn't repeat itself. It just yells
'can't you remember anything I've told you?' and lets
fly with a club.
-- John W. Cambell Jr.
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:38:57 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>There's also fish skin glue, which is like rabbit skin glue, only more
>so.
Fish skin glue is rubbish, IMHO (like sandpaper, rather than
glasspaper). The _good_ stuff is made from swim bladders, not skin.
The best of all is supposed to be made from sturgeon, but that's hard
to find (and sturgeon are endangered).
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 10:47:54 -0800, Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] says...
>> Problem is, a lot of his stuff leaves me ambivalent. He was a great
>> poet -- when he chose to be -- and a wonderful storyteller, but by our
>> standards he was basically not a very nice person. You might say he
>> possessed both the virtues and faults of Victorian/Edwardian England
>> to fine, high excess.
>>
>Can't argue with that, but there's the question of fairness in judging
>him by todays standards.
It's not so much a question of judging Kipling as it is that some of
his attitudes grate on me. Kipling was what he was and as with any
historical figure, you simply accept that.
--RC
"Sometimes history doesn't repeat itself. It just yells
'can't you remember anything I've told you?' and lets
fly with a club.
-- John W. Cambell Jr.
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:40:21 -0600, Australopithecus scobis
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 05:22:31 +0000, Andy Dingley wrote:
>
>> I also use rabbit-skin glue a lot, especially for paper and
>> bookbinding. Unlike hide glue it is flexible when dried, but otherwise
>> it's quite similar.
>
>(idle curiosity)
>Do you know how cow and rabbit glues differ? Collagen is collagen, one
>would think. Perhaps the difference isn't species, but hoof versus skin?
Don't know the chemical differences, but the differences in the
results are quite obvious. This was known at least as far back as the
middle ages.
There's also fish skin glue, which is like rabbit skin glue, only more
so.
--RC
"Sometimes history doesn't repeat itself. It just yells
'can't you remember anything I've told you?' and lets
fly with a club.
-- John W. Cambell Jr.
On 18 Jan 2005 18:51:07 -0800, "SaeedCh" <[email protected]> wrote:
>I like to learn from the experience of members about making liquid hide
>glue.No branded liquid glue is available here in my and nearby
>cities.Hide glue is available.
Hello Saeed,
I'm not quite clear what you're after? Am I right?
You do have non-liquid hide glue. This is solid beads that you soak in
water then heat in a pot.
You want a cold liquid hide glue, like this
http://www.titebond.com/IntroPageTB.ASP?UserType=1&ProdSel=ProductCategoryTB.asp?prodcat=1
It's stored in a bottle, ready for immediate use.
Now as far as I know, it's not practical to make your own liquid hide
glue. It's a complicated bit of chemistry and Titebond is the only
brand commercially available, because the simpler formulations just
don't keep well.
I have an old (1921) copy of Spon's Workshop Receipts, which includes
a number of recipes for liquid hide glue. None of them are
particularly reliable! Some use hide glue and nitric acid, one uses 2
parts of hide glue and one part of whisky, kept in a well-stoppered
bottle ! These just aren't recipes that are easy to make, are
particularly safe to make, or seem reliable for storage.
I like liquid hide glue and I use it a lot. But I could manage
without, either by making up hot hide glue when I needed it, or by
using white PVA glue that is cheaply and commonly available.
If there's a problem with hide glue, posssibly because of the use of
cows, then you might be able to use fish glue or rabbit-skin glue
instead. I also use rabbit-skin glue a lot, especially for paper and
bookbinding. Unlike hide glue it is flexible when dried, but otherwise
it's quite similar.
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 05:22:31 +0000, Andy Dingley wrote:
> I also use rabbit-skin glue a lot, especially for paper and
> bookbinding. Unlike hide glue it is flexible when dried, but otherwise
> it's quite similar.
(idle curiosity)
Do you know how cow and rabbit glues differ? Collagen is collagen, one
would think. Perhaps the difference isn't species, but hoof versus skin?
--
"Keep your ass behind you"
vladimir a t mad {dot} scientist {dot} com
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:38:57 +0000, rcook5 wrote:
> Don't know the chemical differences, but the differences in the
> results are quite obvious. This was known at least as far back as the
> middle ages.
Thanks, followed another poster's link to OldTools for an exhaustive
discussion of hide glues. Collagen is collagen, but it comes in different
lengths. (One _can_ use Knox gelatin as glue, but it's apparently very
tricky to do. Which begs the question, if one refrains from staining one's
cherry project, could one glue it up with cherry Jello? <th-th-that's a
jolk, fokes>)
--
"Keep your ass behind you"
vladimir a t mad {dot} scientist {dot} com
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:36:23 -0800, Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
>[email protected] says...
>> "Sometimes history doesn't repeat itself. It just yells
>> 'can't you remember anything I've told you?' and lets
>> fly with a club.
>>
>Reminds me of Kipling's "And the gods of the copybook headings limped up
>to explain it again."
Would it surprise you to know that that's one of my favorite Kipling
poems?
Along with:
"It was our fault and our very grave fault
and now we must put it to use.
We've a million reasons for failure
but not a single excuse."
>
>The anniversary of his death was a couple of days ago. The average
>person probably knows more lines from Kipling than from any other poet.
Sometimes a wonderful poet. And greatly unappreciated these days.
--RC
"Sometimes history doesn't repeat itself. It just yells
'can't you remember anything I've told you?' and lets
fly with a club.
-- John W. Cambell Jr.
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:38:57 GMT, [email protected] wrote:
>On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:40:21 -0600, Australopithecus scobis
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 05:22:31 +0000, Andy Dingley wrote:
>>
>>> I also use rabbit-skin glue a lot, especially for paper and
>>> bookbinding. Unlike hide glue it is flexible when dried, but otherwise
>>> it's quite similar.
>>
>>(idle curiosity)
>>Do you know how cow and rabbit glues differ? Collagen is collagen, one
>>would think. Perhaps the difference isn't species, but hoof versus skin?
>
>Don't know the chemical differences, but the differences in the
>results are quite obvious. This was known at least as far back as the
>middle ages.
>
>There's also fish skin glue, which is like rabbit skin glue, only more
>so.
>
>--RC
>"Sometimes history doesn't repeat itself. It just yells
>'can't you remember anything I've told you?' and lets
>fly with a club.
> -- John W. Cambell Jr.
Okay -- A further check of the web reveals that hide glue is
apparently difficult to get in some countries -- including New
Zealand. (Don't ask me why.) Further it can be made from ordinary
gelatin, as someone mentioned in this thread.
Here's a link to a recipe and instructions from New Zealand for those
who don't have access to hides.
http://www.gunsmithsociety.com/technical-animal.htm
--RC
"Sometimes history doesn't repeat itself. It just yells
'can't you remember anything I've told you?' and lets
fly with a club.
-- John W. Cambell Jr.