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"Fred"

09/02/2004 5:13 PM

Single phase motor problem

I have an old single phase 110V 5.6amp 1/3HP 1200rpm induction motor
that operates a scroll saw..The motor ran well in the past but now it won't
start, it just sits there drawing current. If I spin the motor by quickly
moving
the belt it will start.

It has capacitor start and the cap measures 84 mfd. Can't read the cap
rating printed on the cap clearly but it looks like its a nominal rating of
72 mfd.
I'm assuming the cap is OK because I can measure what seems to be
a reasonable value.

Any idea what the problem could be?


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"Al Reid"

in reply to "Fred" on 09/02/2004 5:13 PM

09/02/2004 12:27 PM


"Fred" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> I have an old single phase 110V 5.6amp 1/3HP 1200rpm induction motor
> that operates a scroll saw..The motor ran well in the past but now it won't
> start, it just sits there drawing current. If I spin the motor by quickly
> moving
> the belt it will start.
>
> It has capacitor start and the cap measures 84 mfd. Can't read the cap
> rating printed on the cap clearly but it looks like its a nominal rating of
> 72 mfd.
> I'm assuming the cap is OK because I can measure what seems to be
> a reasonable value.
>
> Any idea what the problem could be?
>
>

Assuming that the capacitor is, indeed, good, it is possible that the centrifugal switch is stuck open or has failed in some way.

--
Al Reid

"It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know
for sure that just ain't so." --- Mark Twain


GE

"George E. Cawthon"

in reply to "Fred" on 09/02/2004 5:13 PM

10/02/2004 12:41 AM



bw wrote:
>
> "Fred" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I have an old single phase 110V 5.6amp 1/3HP 1200rpm induction motor
> > that operates a scroll saw..The motor ran well in the past but now it
> won't
> > start, it just sits there drawing current. If I spin the motor by quickly
> > moving
> > the belt it will start.
> >
> > It has capacitor start and the cap measures 84 mfd. Can't read the cap
> > rating printed on the cap clearly but it looks like its a nominal rating
> of
> > 72 mfd.
> > I'm assuming the cap is OK because I can measure what seems to be
> > a reasonable value.
> >
> > Any idea what the problem could be?
> >
>
> Unplug the motor. direct some compressed air into the vents. Look inside
> the vents, while rotating the shaft by hand. You may be able to see the
> centrifugal switch assembly on the shaft. Carefully use a screwdriver to
> push on the switch, it should go back and forth on the shaft.
> Sawdust in the switch can jam it open, defeating the starting coils.

Cleaning it is good, but may not be enough. I had a motor that
started doing that and found that the contacts on the start switch
were badly burned. Light filing and polishing returned it to
operation, but burning and pitting are likely after a period as much
of the hard surface of one contact is gone.

Mj

"Micro*"

in reply to "Fred" on 09/02/2004 5:13 PM

10/02/2004 3:17 AM


"Fred" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> (snip)
> It has capacitor start and the cap measures 84 mfd. Can't read the cap
> rating printed on the cap clearly but it looks like its a nominal rating
of
> 72 mfd.
(snip)

How did you measure the cap.???


--
"Shut up and keep diggen"
Jerry

HB

"Henry Bibb"

in reply to "Fred" on 09/02/2004 5:13 PM

09/02/2004 5:23 PM

Check out the start switch. Blow out any dust accumulated in the
motor. I've had dust shut down some of my non TEFC motors
in the past, but just blowing them out solved the issue.

Hope it helps,
Henry Bibb

"Fred" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I have an old single phase 110V 5.6amp 1/3HP 1200rpm induction motor
> that operates a scroll saw..The motor ran well in the past but now it
won't
> start, it just sits there drawing current. If I spin the motor by quickly
> moving
> the belt it will start.
>
> It has capacitor start and the cap measures 84 mfd. Can't read the cap
> rating printed on the cap clearly but it looks like its a nominal rating
of
> 72 mfd.
> I'm assuming the cap is OK because I can measure what seems to be
> a reasonable value.
>
> Any idea what the problem could be?
>
>

WL

"Wilson Lamb"

in reply to "Fred" on 09/02/2004 5:13 PM

09/02/2004 9:50 PM

A washing machine or dryer motor will work if you can't get the original
going. If the air doesn't work, taking off the end bell is not hard, then
you can see and clean everything. Take your time and don't bend the little
springy contacts.

Put a little roof over the motor to stop some of the dust, if you can.

Wilson
"Fred" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I have an old single phase 110V 5.6amp 1/3HP 1200rpm induction motor
> that operates a scroll saw..The motor ran well in the past but now it
won't
> start, it just sits there drawing current. If I spin the motor by quickly
> moving
> the belt it will start.
>
> It has capacitor start and the cap measures 84 mfd. Can't read the cap
> rating printed on the cap clearly but it looks like its a nominal rating
of
> 72 mfd.
> I'm assuming the cap is OK because I can measure what seems to be
> a reasonable value.
>
> Any idea what the problem could be?
>
>

bb

"bw"

in reply to "Fred" on 09/02/2004 5:13 PM

09/02/2004 1:55 PM

"Fred" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I have an old single phase 110V 5.6amp 1/3HP 1200rpm induction motor
> that operates a scroll saw..The motor ran well in the past but now it
won't
> start, it just sits there drawing current. If I spin the motor by quickly
> moving
> the belt it will start.
>
> It has capacitor start and the cap measures 84 mfd. Can't read the cap
> rating printed on the cap clearly but it looks like its a nominal rating
of
> 72 mfd.
> I'm assuming the cap is OK because I can measure what seems to be
> a reasonable value.
>
> Any idea what the problem could be?
>

Unplug the motor. direct some compressed air into the vents. Look inside
the vents, while rotating the shaft by hand. You may be able to see the
centrifugal switch assembly on the shaft. Carefully use a screwdriver to
push on the switch, it should go back and forth on the shaft.
Sawdust in the switch can jam it open, defeating the starting coils.

JG

"J. G. Gregory"

in reply to "Fred" on 09/02/2004 5:13 PM

10/02/2004 2:23 AM

I have a VERY lightly used Delta 8 inch band saw that suddenly stopped
working yesterday. Flip the power switch nothing happens. I have a pipper,
and I can detect ac getting to the motor, but no action at all. Is this a
common thing? This thing really hasn't been used much, but did spend some
time in a damp basement.

It is a single phase 1/5 hp motor.

I really like this saw, but have only used it about 12 times in several
years (while my shop was being rebuilt). Now I really want to use it, and
it is dead. I don't dare try to start it by moving the blade. The
capacitor (I don't have a way to measure it) looks brand new. The whole
thing is practically brand-new.

--Jack Gregory




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