JP

Jay Pique

10/04/2008 4:35 PM

Yellow glue - Lee Valley ? $$$$!

I was getting an order together for Lee Valley today and saw that they
sell "Lee Valley Cabinetmaker's Glue 2002 GF" for approximately $50 a
gallon. Am I missing something, or does this seem really, really
expensive? Even Titebond III only goes for around $30 a gal. Maybe
someone who has used it can let me know if it's worth it. Thanks.

JP


This topic has 31 replies

LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to Jay Pique on 10/04/2008 4:35 PM

10/04/2008 11:48 PM


"Jay Pique" wrote:


>I was getting an order together for Lee Valley today and saw that
>they
> sell "Lee Valley Cabinetmaker's Glue 2002 GF" for approximately $50
> a
> gallon. Am I missing something, or does this seem really, really
> expensive? Even Titebond III only goes for around $30 a gal. Maybe
> someone who has used it can let me know if it's worth it. Thanks.

SFWIW.


Last gallon of Titebond II I bought was about 6 months ago and the
price was about $20/Gal.

I bitched like mad since 6-8 month earlier the price was about
$12-$14, but I still bought it

Before I paid $50/gal for wood glue, think I'd use epoxy and
micro-balloons.


Lew

CB

"Colin B."

in reply to Jay Pique on 10/04/2008 4:35 PM

11/04/2008 8:39 PM

dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
> Chris Friesen wrote:
>> Leon wrote:
>>
>>> At the moment, Rockler has TB III quarts for $6.99 US.
>>
>> As I mentioned, I'm in Canada.
>>
>> Rockler doesn't have international shipping listed on its website, but
>> Woodcraft wants $28 to ship a gallon of glue to me. At that price it's
>> more expensive than the LV stuff.
>
> Don't know what their shipping outside US is, but might try Woodworker's
> Supply (www.woodworker.com) -- they're good to deal with and as
> reasonable as anybody price-wise.
>
> I'm surprised there isn't easily accessible local supply for items as
> ordinary as glue???

So am I, although frankly it's not much easier to find stuff local to
Calgary via the web.

Chris, I see that Windsor Plywood has Titebond (I, II, and III) in
four-litre jugs on their website. No price listed, though. Also, try
giving Black Forest Wood (http://www.blackforestwood.com/) a call.
They're located in Calgary, and may well have the stuff at a decent
price. Friendly bunch, great wood, although their website...isn't
the greatest.

Colin

BA

B A R R Y

in reply to Jay Pique on 10/04/2008 4:35 PM

12/04/2008 12:40 AM

On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 14:33:07 -0600, Chris Friesen
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Oh I can get basic no-name stuff, but I haven't found a local source for
>TitebondIII by the gallon. And as the OP mentioned, the LV glue is
>$50/gallon.
>
>Chris

How about this?

Next time I'm @ Coastal Tool (this week), I'll check the gallon price.

After that, I'll check retail shipping rates. If it all works for
you, I, as one 'wrecker to another, will ship you a gallon. You can
mail me a check for the actual total cost when it arrives in
Canukistan.

Coastal doesn't list the glue on the web, but that's where I buy mine.

My "real" email address is barry at bburke.com



---------------------------------------------
** http://www.bburke.com/woodworking.html **
---------------------------------------------

CF

Chris Friesen

in reply to Jay Pique on 10/04/2008 4:35 PM

14/04/2008 9:03 AM

B A R R Y wrote:

> How about this?
>
> Next time I'm @ Coastal Tool (this week), I'll check the gallon price.
>
> After that, I'll check retail shipping rates. If it all works for
> you, I, as one 'wrecker to another, will ship you a gallon. You can
> mail me a check for the actual total cost when it arrives in
> Canukistan.

Thanks for the offer, I appreciate it.

I did some calling around to local suppliers. Found one place where
after some discussion between their employees they determined that they
didn't stock it in gallons, but they could get it from their wholesaler.

Since their wholesaler was fairly close by, they just gave me the
receipt and sent me over there.

Total amount for 1 gallon of TBIII, $39 and tax. Probably about as good
a deal as I'm going to get around here.

Chris

Mt

"Max"

in reply to Jay Pique on 10/04/2008 4:35 PM

11/04/2008 5:13 PM

"Chris Friesen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:HIWdndufXKErFmLanZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d@sasktel...
> Jay Pique wrote:
>> I was getting an order together for Lee Valley today and saw that they
>> sell "Lee Valley Cabinetmaker's Glue 2002 GF" for approximately $50 a
>> gallon. Am I missing something, or does this seem really, really
>> expensive? Even Titebond III only goes for around $30 a gal. Maybe
>> someone who has used it can let me know if it's worth it. Thanks.
>
> In the sizes that LV stocks titebondIII, it's more expensive than the LV
> glue.
>
> Around here (SK, Canada) I haven't been able to find gallon containers of
> titebondIII, and 1qt containers go for $18.
>
> $30 gets you a gallon of Elmers. Name brand stuff is quite a bit more.
>
> Chris



Try this:
http://tinyurl.com/5s82un

Max

RC

Robatoy

in reply to Jay Pique on 10/04/2008 4:35 PM

11/04/2008 3:36 PM

On Apr 11, 12:03=A0pm, Chris Friesen <[email protected]> wrote:
> Jay Pique wrote:
> > I was getting an order together for Lee Valley today and saw that they
> > sell "Lee Valley Cabinetmaker's Glue 2002 GF" for approximately $50 a
> > gallon. =A0Am I missing something, or does this seem really, really
> > expensive? =A0Even Titebond III only goes for around $30 a gal. =A0Maybe=

> > someone who has used it can let me know if it's worth it. =A0Thanks.
>
> In the sizes that LV stocks titebondIII, it's more expensive than the LV
> glue.
>
> Around here (SK, Canada) I haven't been able to find gallon containers
> of titebondIII, and 1qt containers go for $18.
>
> $30 gets you a gallon of Elmers. =A0Name brand stuff is quite a bit more.
>
> Chris

Try my friends in London, ON

http://www.cabinetmart.com/wood-glue.html

EP

"Edwin Pawlowski"

in reply to Jay Pique on 10/04/2008 4:35 PM

11/04/2008 11:03 PM


"Jay Pique" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I was getting an order together for Lee Valley today and saw that they
> sell "Lee Valley Cabinetmaker's Glue 2002 GF" for approximately $50 a
> gallon. Am I missing something, or does this seem really, really
> expensive?

Actually $48 US for 4 liters (135 ounces).

Compared to TB II and TB III it is more expensive, but I like working with
the LV glue better. Is it 100% better? I'd have to think about that. I
don't buy a gallon at a time.

CF

Chris Friesen

in reply to Jay Pique on 10/04/2008 4:35 PM

11/04/2008 10:03 AM

Jay Pique wrote:
> I was getting an order together for Lee Valley today and saw that they
> sell "Lee Valley Cabinetmaker's Glue 2002 GF" for approximately $50 a
> gallon. Am I missing something, or does this seem really, really
> expensive? Even Titebond III only goes for around $30 a gal. Maybe
> someone who has used it can let me know if it's worth it. Thanks.

In the sizes that LV stocks titebondIII, it's more expensive than the LV
glue.

Around here (SK, Canada) I haven't been able to find gallon containers
of titebondIII, and 1qt containers go for $18.

$30 gets you a gallon of Elmers. Name brand stuff is quite a bit more.

Chris

CF

Chris Friesen

in reply to Jay Pique on 10/04/2008 4:35 PM

11/04/2008 2:08 PM

Leon wrote:

> At the moment, Rockler has TB III quarts for $6.99 US.

As I mentioned, I'm in Canada.

Rockler doesn't have international shipping listed on its website, but
Woodcraft wants $28 to ship a gallon of glue to me. At that price it's
more expensive than the LV stuff.

Chris

CF

Chris Friesen

in reply to Jay Pique on 10/04/2008 4:35 PM

11/04/2008 2:33 PM

dpb wrote:

> I'm surprised there isn't easily accessible local supply for items as
> ordinary as glue???

Oh I can get basic no-name stuff, but I haven't found a local source for
TitebondIII by the gallon. And as the OP mentioned, the LV glue is
$50/gallon.

Chris

JJ

in reply to Chris Friesen on 11/04/2008 2:33 PM

12/04/2008 7:12 PM

Fri, Apr 11, 2008, 2:33pm (EDT-2) [email protected] (Chris=A0Friesen)
doth sayeth:
Oh I can get basic no-name stuff, but I haven't found a local source for
TitebondIII by the gallon. <snip>

If it was me, I'd start by using my phone book, and call stores in
my area, to see what they could do - if they sell it, bet they can order
larger bottles if they don't normally carry them - that's always been my
experience - that's how I'm getting the duplex nails in the size I need
from the local Ace, the ones they stock are waay too large. If that
didn't work, I'd call the Titebond people, 1-800-347-4583 - it's on the
label on the back of every bottle. Hell, they might even be willing to
sell direct, and ship it to yout. Never know unless you ask.



JOAT
10 Out Of 10 Terrorists Prefer Hillary For President - Bumper Sticker

I do not have a problem with a woman president - except for Hillary.

LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to Chris Friesen on 11/04/2008 2:33 PM

13/04/2008 2:56 AM


"J T" wrote:

> If it was me, I'd start by using my phone book, and call stores
> in
my area, to see what they could do - if they sell it, bet they can
order
larger bottles if they don't normally carry them - that's always been
my
experience - that's how I'm getting the duplex nails in the size I
need
from the local Ace, the ones they stock are waay too large. If that
didn't work, I'd call the Titebond people, 1-800-347-4583 - it's on
the
label on the back of every bottle. Hell, they might even be willing
to
sell direct, and ship it to yout. Never know unless you ask.

Good grief, you mean to actually get away from the puter screen and
read a book, abet the phone book to do some basic research?

In this day and age, that's about the same as asking a 2 year old to
give up their pacifier.

Lew

JJ

in reply to "Lew Hodgett" on 13/04/2008 2:56 AM

13/04/2008 3:30 AM

Sun, Apr 13, 2008, 2:56am (EDT+4) [email protected] (Lew=A0Hodgett)
doth mumble:
Good grief, you mean to actually get away from the puter screen and read
a book, abet the phone book to do some basic research?
In this day and age, that's about the same as asking a 2 year old to
give up their pacifier.

Good grief, you don't actually believe any of that do you? Couple
of years ago, needed to track down some steel tuping. Called the first
place under steel in my local phone book. They didn't have what I
wanted, but they gave me a number to call. Two more numbers, and ten
minutes later, I had the info I was after, including prices.



JOAT
10 Out Of 10 Terrorists Prefer Hillary For President - Bumper Sticker

I do not have a problem with a woman president - except for Hillary.

LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to "Lew Hodgett" on 13/04/2008 2:56 AM

13/04/2008 10:36 AM


"J T" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Good grief, you don't actually believe any of that do you?

Should I?

> Couple
of years ago, needed to track down some steel tuping. Called the
first
place under steel in my local phone book. They didn't have what I
wanted, but they gave me a number to call. Two more numbers, and ten
minutes later, I had the info I was after, including prices.

Basic rule of 3.

Starting from scratch, shold be in the right place on the 3rd call.

One of my favorite questions when I get the "We don't have that"
routine is:

"Can you suggest some one who might have it?"

Lew

JJ

in reply to "Lew Hodgett" on 13/04/2008 10:36 AM

13/04/2008 3:39 PM

Sun, Apr 13, 2008, 10:36am (EDT+4) [email protected]
(Lew=A0Hodgett) doth sayeth:
<snip> One of my favorite questions when I get the "We don't have that"
routine is:
"Can you suggest some one who might have it?"

Likewise.



JOAT
10 Out Of 10 Terrorists Prefer Hillary For President - Bumper Sticker

I do not have a problem with a woman president - except for Hillary.

RC

Robatoy

in reply to Jay Pique on 10/04/2008 4:35 PM

11/04/2008 3:36 PM

On Apr 11, 6:36=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Apr 11, 12:03=A0pm, Chris Friesen <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Jay Pique wrote:
> > > I was getting an order together for Lee Valley today and saw that they=

> > > sell "Lee Valley Cabinetmaker's Glue 2002 GF" for approximately $50 a
> > > gallon. =A0Am I missing something, or does this seem really, really
> > > expensive? =A0Even Titebond III only goes for around $30 a gal. =A0May=
be
> > > someone who has used it can let me know if it's worth it. =A0Thanks.
>
> > In the sizes that LV stocks titebondIII, it's more expensive than the LV=

> > glue.
>
> > Around here (SK, Canada) I haven't been able to find gallon containers
> > of titebondIII, and 1qt containers go for $18.
>
> > $30 gets you a gallon of Elmers. =A0Name brand stuff is quite a bit more=
.
>
> > Chris
>
> Try my friends in London, ON
>
> http://www.cabinetmart.com/wood-glue.html

That was a shameless plug, btw.....

Nn

Nova

in reply to Jay Pique on 10/04/2008 4:35 PM

13/04/2008 12:25 AM

Chris Friesen wrote:
> dpb wrote:
>
>> I'm surprised there isn't easily accessible local supply for items as
>> ordinary as glue???
>
>
> Oh I can get basic no-name stuff, but I haven't found a local source for
> TitebondIII by the gallon. And as the OP mentioned, the LV glue is
> $50/gallon.
>
> Chris

From Titebond's web site:

"Titebond products are available at fine retailers throughout the United
States. For International locations, please e-mail our International
Division ( mailto:[email protected] ) or call
1-800-877-4583."

--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
[email protected]

dn

dpb

in reply to Jay Pique on 10/04/2008 4:35 PM

10/04/2008 7:29 PM

Jay Pique wrote:
> I was getting an order together for Lee Valley today and saw that they
> sell "Lee Valley Cabinetmaker's Glue 2002 GF" for approximately $50 a
> gallon. Am I missing something, or does this seem really, really
> expensive? Even Titebond III only goes for around $30 a gal. Maybe
> someone who has used it can let me know if it's worth it. Thanks.

It's a PVA instead of an aliphatic glue w/ a very high viscosity and
relatively long open time. For applications where that were important
it might be worth it, but I'd think Type III would cover most of that.
I didn't look, but might compare it to the specialty trim "no-sag" or
"trim" but still more expensive by quite a bit I think.

--

dn

dpb

in reply to Jay Pique on 10/04/2008 4:35 PM

11/04/2008 3:16 PM

Chris Friesen wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>
>> At the moment, Rockler has TB III quarts for $6.99 US.
>
> As I mentioned, I'm in Canada.
>
> Rockler doesn't have international shipping listed on its website, but
> Woodcraft wants $28 to ship a gallon of glue to me. At that price it's
> more expensive than the LV stuff.

Don't know what their shipping outside US is, but might try Woodworker's
Supply (www.woodworker.com) -- they're good to deal with and as
reasonable as anybody price-wise.

I'm surprised there isn't easily accessible local supply for items as
ordinary as glue???

--

cc

"charlie"

in reply to Jay Pique on 10/04/2008 4:35 PM

11/04/2008 1:20 PM


"Chris Friesen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:zY6dnZja17lnW2LanZ2dnUVZ_oCvnZ2d@sasktel...
> Colin B. wrote:
>> Chris Friesen <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>Unfortunately, Amazon.com refuses to ship to Canada, and Amazon.ca
>>>doesn't carry anything but books/movies/music/software.
>
>> What??! Sure they do! I've ordered any number of things from them that
>> aren't available on amazon.ca. Never had an issue with it.
>
> Looks like it depends on the item. I tried buying the glue, and got:
>
> "We're sorry. This item can't be shipped to your selected destination."
>
> Chris

maybe because of the temps. try again in the summer.

dn

dpb

in reply to Jay Pique on 10/04/2008 4:35 PM

11/04/2008 3:50 PM

Chris Friesen wrote:
> dpb wrote:
>
>> I'm surprised there isn't easily accessible local supply for items as
>> ordinary as glue???
>
> Oh I can get basic no-name stuff, but I haven't found a local source for
> TitebondIII by the gallon. And as the OP mentioned, the LV glue is
> $50/gallon.

Hmmm...any cabinet shops or commercial ww'ers that could find where they
purchase supplies?

Two more goodun's to deal with--again I don't know about shipping
policies to the frozen north... :)

Klingspor -- www.woodworkingshop.com

Woodworker's Hardware -- www.woodworkershardware.com

The latter is in Sauk Rapids, MN, at least up that general direction
altho you could be west, not east or central of course. It might be
they're in closer proximity altho it's probably not distance that's
controlling shipping, anyway...

--

JC

"J. Clarke"

in reply to Jay Pique on 10/04/2008 4:35 PM

12/04/2008 12:02 AM

Chris Friesen wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>
>> At the moment, Rockler has TB III quarts for $6.99 US.
>
> As I mentioned, I'm in Canada.
>
> Rockler doesn't have international shipping listed on its website,
> but
> Woodcraft wants $28 to ship a gallon of glue to me. At that price
> it's more expensive than the LV stuff.

Have you tried Lowes? They have stores in Canada and do mail order as
well, so should be a different situation from Woodcraft.

--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

dn

dpb

in reply to Jay Pique on 10/04/2008 4:35 PM

12/04/2008 7:58 AM

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
...
> Compared to TB II and TB III ... I like working with
> the LV glue better. ...

In any way you can articulate why/what is better or "just one of those
things" kinda way?

--

dn

dpb

in reply to Jay Pique on 10/04/2008 4:35 PM

12/04/2008 9:13 AM

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>> ...
>>> Compared to TB II and TB III ... I like working with the LV glue better.
>>> ...
>> In any way you can articulate why/what is better or "just one of those
>> things" kinda way?
>>
>> --
>
> Sort of like when your grandmother baked, the dough had to "feel right."
>
> Seems to squeeze out and then spread better/easier. Probably a viscosity
> thing. Runs were minimal and cleaned up better it they did happen. Plenty
> of open working time.

The high viscosity would of course minimize runs--that's one of the
specific points made w/ it.

As noted earlier, it is a pva instead of aliphatic like the yellow glues
which could be a reason as well for the difference in feel...

Thanks, was curious as not used it...

--

TT

Tanus

in reply to Jay Pique on 10/04/2008 4:35 PM

13/04/2008 1:41 PM

B A R R Y wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 14:33:07 -0600, Chris Friesen
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Oh I can get basic no-name stuff, but I haven't found a local source for
>> TitebondIII by the gallon. And as the OP mentioned, the LV glue is
>> $50/gallon.
>>
>> Chris
>
> How about this?
>
> Next time I'm @ Coastal Tool (this week), I'll check the gallon price.
>
> After that, I'll check retail shipping rates. If it all works for
> you, I, as one 'wrecker to another, will ship you a gallon. You can
> mail me a check for the actual total cost when it arrives in
> Canukistan.
>
> Coastal doesn't list the glue on the web, but that's where I buy mine.
>
> My "real" email address is barry at bburke.com
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------
> ** http://www.bburke.com/woodworking.html **
> ---------------------------------------------

Now THERE is a generous offer. Part of the reason I come here.

--


Tanus

This is not really a sig

http://www.home.mycybernet.net/~waugh/shop/

CB

"Colin B."

in reply to Jay Pique on 10/04/2008 4:35 PM

11/04/2008 8:05 PM

Chris Friesen <[email protected]> wrote:
> Max wrote:
>> "Chris Friesen" <[email protected]> wrote
>
>>> Around here (SK, Canada) I haven't been able to find gallon containers
>>> of titebondIII, and 1qt containers go for $18.
>
>> Try this:
>> http://tinyurl.com/5s82un
>
> Unfortunately, Amazon.com refuses to ship to Canada, and Amazon.ca
> doesn't carry anything but books/movies/music/software.

What??! Sure they do! I've ordered any number of things from them that
aren't available on amazon.ca. Never had an issue with it.

Colin

EP

"Edwin Pawlowski"

in reply to Jay Pique on 10/04/2008 4:35 PM

12/04/2008 9:35 AM


"dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> ...
>> Compared to TB II and TB III ... I like working with the LV glue better.
>> ...
>
> In any way you can articulate why/what is better or "just one of those
> things" kinda way?
>
> --

Sort of like when your grandmother baked, the dough had to "feel right."

Seems to squeeze out and then spread better/easier. Probably a viscosity
thing. Runs were minimal and cleaned up better it they did happen. Plenty
of open working time.
--
Ed
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to Jay Pique on 10/04/2008 4:35 PM

11/04/2008 7:28 PM


"Chris Friesen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:HIWdndufXKErFmLanZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d@sasktel...
> Jay Pique wrote:
>> I was getting an order together for Lee Valley today and saw that they
>> sell "Lee Valley Cabinetmaker's Glue 2002 GF" for approximately $50 a
>> gallon. Am I missing something, or does this seem really, really
>> expensive? Even Titebond III only goes for around $30 a gal. Maybe
>> someone who has used it can let me know if it's worth it. Thanks.
>
> In the sizes that LV stocks titebondIII, it's more expensive than the LV
> glue.
>
> Around here (SK, Canada) I haven't been able to find gallon containers of
> titebondIII, and 1qt containers go for $18.
>
> $30 gets you a gallon of Elmers. Name brand stuff is quite a bit more.
>
> Chris

At the moment, Rockler has TB III quarts for $6.99 US.

BA

B A R R Y

in reply to Jay Pique on 10/04/2008 4:35 PM

14/04/2008 11:40 AM

On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 09:03:27 -0600, Chris Friesen
>
>Total amount for 1 gallon of TBIII, $39 and tax. Probably about as good
>a deal as I'm going to get around here.

Probably, as it would cost at least $12 for me to ship you a gallon.


---------------------------------------------
** http://www.bburke.com/woodworking.html **
---------------------------------------------

CF

Chris Friesen

in reply to Jay Pique on 10/04/2008 4:35 PM

11/04/2008 1:32 PM

Max wrote:
> "Chris Friesen" <[email protected]> wrote

>> Around here (SK, Canada) I haven't been able to find gallon containers
>> of titebondIII, and 1qt containers go for $18.

> Try this:
> http://tinyurl.com/5s82un

Unfortunately, Amazon.com refuses to ship to Canada, and Amazon.ca
doesn't carry anything but books/movies/music/software.

Chris

CF

Chris Friesen

in reply to Jay Pique on 10/04/2008 4:35 PM

11/04/2008 2:15 PM

Colin B. wrote:
> Chris Friesen <[email protected]> wrote:

>>Unfortunately, Amazon.com refuses to ship to Canada, and Amazon.ca
>>doesn't carry anything but books/movies/music/software.

> What??! Sure they do! I've ordered any number of things from them that
> aren't available on amazon.ca. Never had an issue with it.

Looks like it depends on the item. I tried buying the glue, and got:

"We're sorry. This item can't be shipped to your selected destination."

Chris


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