A few weeks ago I bought a unit here in Canada at Princess Auto that was on
sale for $44.00cdn. (reg. 99.00). My small compressor seems to work just
fine with it on things such as cabinets & book cases,but I haven't tried
painting anything that is real large with it yet. I can't remember the make
or model. I'm supposed to be working right now so I can't go to the shop &
check either.
Here's the link to their website. If you're on high speed you can download
their entire catalogue in about 5 minutes. The sprayer I purchased is on
page 124, item "C".
http://www.princessauto.com/PAcountry.cfm?CTRY=CAN&INF=home
Happy shopping!
"mp" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Can anyone recommend a small HVLP spray gun that will work with typical
> pancake compressors?
>
> It'll be used mostly to spray laquer and water-borne poly for small
> cabinets, boxes, drawers, etc.
>
>
> >Can anyone recommend a small HVLP spray gun that will work with typical
> >pancake compressors?
> >
> >It'll be used mostly to spray laquer and water-borne poly for small
> >cabinets, boxes, drawers, etc.
> >
>
> accuspray 19c
>
> minimum HP recommendation is 1-1/2
Looks nice, but the price is a bit out of my range.
> A few weeks ago I bought a unit here in Canada at Princess Auto that was
on
> sale for $44.00cdn. (reg. 99.00). My small compressor seems to work just
> fine with it on things such as cabinets & book cases,but I haven't tried
> painting anything that is real large with it yet. I can't remember the
make
> or model. I'm supposed to be working right now so I can't go to the shop &
> check either.
>
> Here's the link to their website. If you're on high speed you can download
> their entire catalogue in about 5 minutes. The sprayer I purchased is on
> page 124, item "C".
> http://www.princessauto.com/PAcountry.cfm?CTRY=CAN&INF=home
>
> Happy shopping!
Thanks for the heads up on Princess Auto. There's a store not too far from
here and I'm heading over to check them out.
Thanks Swingman,
Been wondering about the CH HVLP system. I have a pancake compressor
and would like to start trying some spray on finishes... my 2 options
seem to be to upgrade to a larger compressor or get a small HVLP like
the CH. Any regrets about getting the CH?
thanks,
YJJim
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "mp" wrote in message
> > Can anyone recommend a small HVLP spray gun that will work with typical
> > pancake compressors?
> >
> > It'll be used mostly to spray laquer and water-borne poly for small
> > cabinets, boxes, drawers, etc.
>
> Have a small compressor myself and never did a gun find one that was worth
> the price, or the limitations that came with it. Went with an el cheapo
> Campbell Hausfeld HVLP unit , which exceeded my expectations for woodworking
> projects, and will get you in the game for around $150.
Thanks... it seemed like a good deal, and it is nice to hear from
someone who is happy with it.
YJJim
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "YJJim" wrote in message
> > Thanks Swingman,
> >
> > Been wondering about the CH HVLP system. I have a pancake compressor
> > and would like to start trying some spray on finishes... my 2 options
> > seem to be to upgrade to a larger compressor or get a small HVLP like
> > the CH. Any regrets about getting the CH?
>
> Absolutely none thus far ... about a year. I have had nothing but excellent
> results with it. I spray mostly shellac and would prefer to have a plastic
> cup because of that ... other than that, I am perfectly happy with the unit.
>
> CH most likely has a plastic cup that can be had, but I've been too
> busy/lazy to look for it in between uses.
"mp" wrote in message
> Can anyone recommend a small HVLP spray gun that will work with typical
> pancake compressors?
>
> It'll be used mostly to spray laquer and water-borne poly for small
> cabinets, boxes, drawers, etc.
Have a small compressor myself and never did a gun find one that was worth
the price, or the limitations that came with it. Went with an el cheapo
Campbell Hausfeld HVLP unit , which exceeded my expectations for woodworking
projects, and will get you in the game for around $150.
--
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Last update: 2/05/04
You flatter me, Tom, but I'm not an expert at all. I absorb knowledge like a
sponge and have some experience. I did attend an excellent seminar on spray
painting about 3 months ago. That's where I learned what goes into a real
HVLP rig (lots of $$$$) and also where I was exposed to the little Porter
cable gun. Several attendees acknowledged it worked pretty well.
The single most compelling attribute of HVLP is the high efficiency and
virtual lack of overspray. Most of the paint goes onto the object instead of
into the air. I think I recall something like 70-80% efficiency as opposed
to 40-50% for an old conventional spray gun. I think HVLP has replaced a lot
of the equipment that was used for auto painting 20 years ago.
Bob
> The reason I'm asking is that I need a way to spray paint MDF garage
> cabinets, and I don't have a booth. I recall the automotive paint sprayers
> create a great deal of overspray, which will cause me problems.
>
> TIA,
> Tom M.
Why not check into the Critter spray gun?
"Eric Ryder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> snip
> > HVLP generates minimal overspray. Transfer efficiency is very high.
> > Conversion guns use a lot of air, I used my Accuspray Series 10 with the
> > conversion attachment and kept a 5 Hp (real HP) compressor running
> > constantly.
> >
> >
>
> I also have a Accuspray #10 gun. Where do you find nozzles, needles,
> aircaps at a decent price please? Homestead is getting $38 for the Delrin
> aircaps - whew!
>
> Thanks
> Eric
>
>
Tom wrote:
> "Bob Davis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> The accuspray gun is a bit pricey for a conversion gun, which is a
>> compromise anyway. An alternate choice is the Porter Cable PSH1 that
>> sells for under $100. Be aware that any conversion gun is going to
>> be limited to keeping the gun in a horizontal position when
>> spraying. This is probably not a big factor for what you want to do.
>>
>> Some pancake compressors do not have the capacity to run an HVLP
>> conversion gun. Requirements for a small gun are typically 8 scfm at
>> 40 PSI. Look at your compressor flow capacity ratings. Forget
>> horsepower ratings when evaluating. They are all bogus. Unlike a
>> nailer, where you can wait for the compressor to catch up, you
>> usually cannot tolerate this when spraying.
>>
>> Getting into spraying is usually a bigger cost step than most people
>> realize, if they don't have an adequate compressor.
>>
>> Bob
>
>
> Hey Bob,
>
> You seem to know your way around painting equipment. Maybe you can
> educate me on some of the basic terminology and equipment.
>
> Is HVLP the type of gun that's traditionally used for auto painting?
> Or, is that a completely different animal? What are the major types?
> LVLP, HVHP etc?
>
> The reason I'm asking is that I need a way to spray paint MDF garage
> cabinets, and I don't have a booth. I recall the automotive paint
> sprayers create a great deal of overspray, which will cause me
> problems. I need to paint on the driveway on a calm day, and I can
> lay down drop cloths and such, but IIRC, the automotive type gun
> would end up covoering a very large area with overspray. My wife will
> not appreciate the fence, garage door, alley, and neighbor's dog
> sporting "tool cabinet red".
>
> Are there other types of pneumatic guns that don't atomize the
> material as much, or can these be adjusted to apply larger droplets
> with less "misting"?
>
> AND...can these guns be used to apply wood primers and enamels?
>
> Would an electric sprayer be better for this approach?
>
> I have a large compressor, so capacity is not a problem.
>
> TIA,
> Tom M.
HVLP generates minimal overspray. Transfer efficiency is very high.
Conversion guns use a lot of air, I used my Accuspray Series 10 with the
conversion attachment and kept a 5 Hp (real HP) compressor running
constantly.
snip
> HVLP generates minimal overspray. Transfer efficiency is very high.
> Conversion guns use a lot of air, I used my Accuspray Series 10 with the
> conversion attachment and kept a 5 Hp (real HP) compressor running
> constantly.
>
>
I also have a Accuspray #10 gun. Where do you find nozzles, needles,
aircaps at a decent price please? Homestead is getting $38 for the Delrin
aircaps - whew!
Thanks
Eric
Hey Bob (or anyone), let's carry this 1 step further. I've also been
looking at that PC conversion gun. What would be the pros and cons of this
over something like the inexpensive ($100-$125) self contained Wagner HVLP
units ?
jim bailey
"Bob Davis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> You flatter me, Tom, but I'm not an expert at all. I absorb knowledge like
a
> sponge and have some experience. I did attend an excellent seminar on
spray
> painting about 3 months ago. That's where I learned what goes into a real
> HVLP rig (lots of $$$$) and also where I was exposed to the little Porter
> cable gun. Several attendees acknowledged it worked pretty well.
>
> The single most compelling attribute of HVLP is the high efficiency and
> virtual lack of overspray. Most of the paint goes onto the object instead
of
> into the air. I think I recall something like 70-80% efficiency as opposed
> to 40-50% for an old conventional spray gun. I think HVLP has replaced a
lot
> of the equipment that was used for auto painting 20 years ago.
>
> Bob
>
> > The reason I'm asking is that I need a way to spray paint MDF garage
> > cabinets, and I don't have a booth. I recall the automotive paint
sprayers
> > create a great deal of overspray, which will cause me problems.
> >
> > TIA,
> > Tom M.
>
>
Eric Ryder wrote:
> snip
>> HVLP generates minimal overspray. Transfer efficiency is very high.
>> Conversion guns use a lot of air, I used my Accuspray Series 10 with
>> the conversion attachment and kept a 5 Hp (real HP) compressor
>> running constantly.
>>
>>
>
> I also have a Accuspray #10 gun. Where do you find nozzles, needles,
> aircaps at a decent price please? Homestead is getting $38 for the
> Delrin aircaps - whew!
>
> Thanks
> Eric
I got a few with the gun when I bought it as part of a package- I've only
bought some gaskets, etc. through my local auto body shop. Compliant Spray
Systems is a helpful online vendor, although I don't think you'll find any
bargains there. Ebay has Accuspray parts every now and then.
James Bailey wrote:
> Hey Bob (or anyone), let's carry this 1 step further. I've also been
> looking at that PC conversion gun. What would be the pros and cons of
> this over something like the inexpensive ($100-$125) self contained
> Wagner HVLP units ?
Some of the inexpensive turbines don't have the balls to spray anything more
than an extremely light-bodied finish.
> jim bailey
>
> "Bob Davis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> You flatter me, Tom, but I'm not an expert at all. I absorb
>> knowledge like a sponge and have some experience. I did attend an
>> excellent seminar on spray painting about 3 months ago. That's where
>> I learned what goes into a real HVLP rig (lots of $$$$) and also
>> where I was exposed to the little Porter cable gun. Several
>> attendees acknowledged it worked pretty well.
>>
>> The single most compelling attribute of HVLP is the high efficiency
>> and virtual lack of overspray. Most of the paint goes onto the
>> object instead of into the air. I think I recall something like
>> 70-80% efficiency as opposed to 40-50% for an old conventional spray
>> gun. I think HVLP has replaced a lot of the equipment that was used
>> for auto painting 20 years ago.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>> The reason I'm asking is that I need a way to spray paint MDF garage
>>> cabinets, and I don't have a booth. I recall the automotive paint
>>> sprayers create a great deal of overspray, which will cause me
>>> problems.
>>>
>>> TIA,
>>> Tom M.
On Fri, 6 Feb 2004 00:20:05 -0800, "mp" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Can anyone recommend a small HVLP spray gun that will work with typical
>pancake compressors?
>
>It'll be used mostly to spray laquer and water-borne poly for small
>cabinets, boxes, drawers, etc.
>
accuspray 19c
minimum HP recommendation is 1-1/2
"YJJim" wrote in message
> Thanks Swingman,
>
> Been wondering about the CH HVLP system. I have a pancake compressor
> and would like to start trying some spray on finishes... my 2 options
> seem to be to upgrade to a larger compressor or get a small HVLP like
> the CH. Any regrets about getting the CH?
Absolutely none thus far ... about a year. I have had nothing but excellent
results with it. I spray mostly shellac and would prefer to have a plastic
cup because of that ... other than that, I am perfectly happy with the unit.
CH most likely has a plastic cup that can be had, but I've been too
busy/lazy to look for it in between uses.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 2/05/04
ATP - I'm missing something - are we talking about the same type (CS rather
than Wagner though) of unit that swingman is refering to in his follow ups
to this ? That's a pretty broad difference in opinion between yours and
his. I'm not cheap but no point in throwing $150 at something if it won't
work for me. I'm hoping to spray cabinets, furniture, lacquer, poly.
Swingman seem to be having pretty good luck with his.
jim bailey
"ATP" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> James Bailey wrote:
> > Hey Bob (or anyone), let's carry this 1 step further. I've also been
> > looking at that PC conversion gun. What would be the pros and cons of
> > this over something like the inexpensive ($100-$125) self contained
> > Wagner HVLP units ?
>
> Some of the inexpensive turbines don't have the balls to spray anything
more
> than an extremely light-bodied finish.
>
> > jim bailey
> >
> > "Bob Davis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >> You flatter me, Tom, but I'm not an expert at all. I absorb
> >> knowledge like a sponge and have some experience. I did attend an
> >> excellent seminar on spray painting about 3 months ago. That's where
> >> I learned what goes into a real HVLP rig (lots of $$$$) and also
> >> where I was exposed to the little Porter cable gun. Several
> >> attendees acknowledged it worked pretty well.
> >>
> >> The single most compelling attribute of HVLP is the high efficiency
> >> and virtual lack of overspray. Most of the paint goes onto the
> >> object instead of into the air. I think I recall something like
> >> 70-80% efficiency as opposed to 40-50% for an old conventional spray
> >> gun. I think HVLP has replaced a lot of the equipment that was used
> >> for auto painting 20 years ago.
> >>
> >> Bob
> >>
> >>> The reason I'm asking is that I need a way to spray paint MDF garage
> >>> cabinets, and I don't have a booth. I recall the automotive paint
> >>> sprayers create a great deal of overspray, which will cause me
> >>> problems.
> >>>
> >>> TIA,
> >>> Tom M.
>
>
On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 12:56:56 GMT, "Bob Davis"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>The accuspray gun is a bit pricey for a conversion gun, which is a
>compromise anyway. An alternate choice is the Porter Cable PSH1 that sells
>for under $100. Be aware that any conversion gun is going to be limited to
>keeping the gun in a horizontal position when spraying.
not mine. (accuspray 19c)
>This is probably
>not a big factor for what you want to do.
>
>Some pancake compressors do not have the capacity to run an HVLP conversion
>gun. Requirements for a small gun are typically 8 scfm at 40 PSI. Look at
>your compressor flow capacity ratings. Forget horsepower ratings when
>evaluating. They are all bogus. Unlike a nailer, where you can wait for the
>compressor to catch up, you usually cannot tolerate this when spraying.
>
>Getting into spraying is usually a bigger cost step than most people
>realize, if they don't have an adequate compressor.
>
>Bob
>
>"mp" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Can anyone recommend a small HVLP spray gun that will work with typical
>> pancake compressors?
>>
>> It'll be used mostly to spray laquer and water-borne poly for small
>> cabinets, boxes, drawers, etc.
>>
>>
>
The accuspray gun is a bit pricey for a conversion gun, which is a
compromise anyway. An alternate choice is the Porter Cable PSH1 that sells
for under $100. Be aware that any conversion gun is going to be limited to
keeping the gun in a horizontal position when spraying. This is probably
not a big factor for what you want to do.
Some pancake compressors do not have the capacity to run an HVLP conversion
gun. Requirements for a small gun are typically 8 scfm at 40 PSI. Look at
your compressor flow capacity ratings. Forget horsepower ratings when
evaluating. They are all bogus. Unlike a nailer, where you can wait for the
compressor to catch up, you usually cannot tolerate this when spraying.
Getting into spraying is usually a bigger cost step than most people
realize, if they don't have an adequate compressor.
Bob
"mp" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Can anyone recommend a small HVLP spray gun that will work with typical
> pancake compressors?
>
> It'll be used mostly to spray laquer and water-borne poly for small
> cabinets, boxes, drawers, etc.
>
>
"Bob Davis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> The accuspray gun is a bit pricey for a conversion gun, which is a
> compromise anyway. An alternate choice is the Porter Cable PSH1 that sells
> for under $100. Be aware that any conversion gun is going to be limited
to
> keeping the gun in a horizontal position when spraying. This is probably
> not a big factor for what you want to do.
>
> Some pancake compressors do not have the capacity to run an HVLP
conversion
> gun. Requirements for a small gun are typically 8 scfm at 40 PSI. Look at
> your compressor flow capacity ratings. Forget horsepower ratings when
> evaluating. They are all bogus. Unlike a nailer, where you can wait for
the
> compressor to catch up, you usually cannot tolerate this when spraying.
>
> Getting into spraying is usually a bigger cost step than most people
> realize, if they don't have an adequate compressor.
>
> Bob
Hey Bob,
You seem to know your way around painting equipment. Maybe you can educate
me on some of the basic terminology and equipment.
Is HVLP the type of gun that's traditionally used for auto painting? Or, is
that a completely different animal? What are the major types? LVLP, HVHP
etc?
The reason I'm asking is that I need a way to spray paint MDF garage
cabinets, and I don't have a booth. I recall the automotive paint sprayers
create a great deal of overspray, which will cause me problems. I need to
paint on the driveway on a calm day, and I can lay down drop cloths and
such, but IIRC, the automotive type gun would end up covoering a very large
area with overspray. My wife will not appreciate the fence, garage door,
alley, and neighbor's dog sporting "tool cabinet red".
Are there other types of pneumatic guns that don't atomize the material as
much, or can these be adjusted to apply larger droplets with less "misting"?
AND...can these guns be used to apply wood primers and enamels?
Would an electric sprayer be better for this approach?
I have a large compressor, so capacity is not a problem.
TIA,
Tom M.