If you have been following my hunt for a new DP with more capacity and
convenience features you may also know that I decided and got a decent deal
on the Delta 17-959L. My son and I went down to Rockler Saturday morning
and picked it up, in the box, and a also got a universal mobile base.
Getting home with the prize I immediately began putting together the mobile
base, this is the 3rd of this type base I have in the shop. If I were a
beginner woodworker I may have given up on wood working right then. It was
not the base, it was me. You know when you read on the wrong side of the
inch marker.... you want 20.5" and end up cutting 19.5". Both are exactly
.5" on either side of the 20" marker. Any way after a few hours the base
was finished and worked fine. Next I put a piece of plywood appropriately
larger than the DP base and bolted it to the mobile base, then the DP base
was bolted to the ply wood base. Then I could begin assembling the DP.
The column was next bolted to the DP base and the table attached to the
column mount. Then came the struggle of getting the heavy DP head to the
top of the column. Actually next came getting the heavy DP head out of the
box. My 21 year old son and I looked like a clown act trying to get the
thing out of the box. Of course the box lid folds open but each side of the
lid is wider than the box side so the lid effectively makes the width of the
box even wider and the target even farther away. We both stumbled a couple
of times tripping and smashing the box as we carried our catch away. We
put the head on a work bench and waited until all of the huffing and puffing
subsided to ponder lifting this thing from the work bench to above eye level
AND negotiate the union of the column into the mounting hole. My wife would
be needed, she being a quilter has the talent to thread a needle, surely she
can guide us in placing the head on to the column. We both squat under the
head teetering on the edge of the bench and slowly stand up with the bottom
ends of the head setting on the palms of out hands and then proceed to the
DP column. Now we need to push up from about shoulder level to above "my"
eye level and gently lower the head on to the column. With my wife's
guidance we managed to lift the head above the column and set it on the
column but not quite in the right spot, but it did give us a chance to do
some more much needed huffing and puffing as it sat delicately balanced on
the top of the column. We gathered more courage, lifted, wiggled, grunted,
and delicately let the head SLAM in place on the column. Now I am sure
that the head probably did not weigh much over 150 lbs but there are really
no decent places to grab that do not have sharp edges or pointed bolts
sticking out so the comfort factor was reeeeeel low and as you well know if
the comfort factor is reeeel low things change. Couple that with the wind
chill factor and you get a head that feels like it weighs 300 lbs.
OK I have had the DP for a whole 5 days and so far it works GREAT!.
LOL, We'll see if it holds up 30 years like the DP it is replacing. Fit
and finish, every thing fits fine. All bolts threaded properly in all
threaded holes, and all components fit as wanted, not necessarily expected,
but that is a good thing. Finish, probably the worse surface finish of any
one piece of my equipment, although it looks good the non milled surfaces
feel like 40 grit sand paper. All of these surfaces have a black paint
finish. The surfaces feel like they have been covered with black wrinkle
paint. An up close look reveals regular paint on a rough surface. Machined
surfaces however are very good and those surfaces work together smoothly.
In particular the forward tilt table tilts forward very smoothly and stays
where you put it before tightening the 2 trunions in place. The laser, not
an item that I would have paid extra for, provides a thin narrow line on one
side and a line about 4 times wider on the other side. I am not quite sure
how or if this can be corrected. As it is the lines cross at the target to
within about 1/16" accuracy. If both light lines were thin the accuracy
would probably be closer to 1/64". With 16 speeds I have a much wider
choice of speeds and a lower range of speeds than with my older DP. The
Speed/Pulley chart that Delta puts inside the belt cover is terrible. It
indicates the belt positions starting with the belts at the top of the
pulley and the next belt one pulley down, this progresses one pulley at a
time until all belts are at the lowest points on the pulleys. While this
may seem OK it does not indicate chuck speed increase or decrease in any
particular order. So if you want to go from 215 RPM to say 540 rpm you have
to look are every pulley drawing configuration to find that speed and there
actually may not be a 540 RPM speed. To solve this I used Sketchup to
redraw all the pulley configurations except that they are in progressive RPM
order. This way you know which speed is actually next by looking at the
next speed as opposed to hunting for the next higher speed on all of the
other drawings. If any one is interested I can send you a copy of this
drawing in PDF or Sketchup format and you can change the rpm's to reflect
the ones on your particular DP. The ON/OFF switch is still the spring
loaded push button desigh that pretends to look like a magnetic switch. If
the DP is unplugged you cannot tell if the switch is off or on and plugging
it back in may indeed turn the DP back on unexpectedly. My Jet lathe and
Delta stationary planer use similar style switches and also require you to
manually insure that the switch is in the off position before plugging it
in. The Delta DP switch is improved however as you can push the switch at
any place and it will perform the expected function. The other mentioned
switches require an "in the middle straight in push" to operate. I have
transferred my new DP table and fence from my old DP and am eagerly awaiting
the opportunity to drill some holes.
Any one in the Houston area interested in a Rockwell radial DP?
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> If you have been following my hunt for a new DP with more capacity and
> convenience features you may also know that I decided and got a decent
> deal on the Delta 17-959L. My son and I went down to Rockler Saturday
> morning and picked it up, in the box, and a also got a universal mobile
> base. Getting home with the prize I immediately began putting together the
> mobile base, this is the 3rd of this type base I have in the shop. If I
> were a beginner woodworker I may have given up on wood working right then.
> It was not the base, it was me. You know when you read on the wrong side
> of the inch marker.... you want 20.5" and end up cutting 19.5". Both are
> exactly .5" on either side of the 20" marker. Any way after a few hours
> the base was finished and worked fine. Next I put a piece of plywood
> appropriately larger than the DP base and bolted it to the mobile base,
> then the DP base was bolted to the ply wood base. Then I could begin
> assembling the DP. The column was next bolted to the DP base and the table
> attached to the column mount. Then came the struggle of getting the heavy
> DP head to the top of the column. Actually next came getting the heavy DP
> head out of the box. My 21 year old son and I looked like a clown act
> trying to get the thing out of the box. Of course the box lid folds open
> but each side of the lid is wider than the box side so the lid effectively
> makes the width of the box even wider and the target even farther away.
> We both stumbled a couple of times tripping and smashing the box as we
> carried our catch away. We put the head on a work bench and waited until
> all of the huffing and puffing subsided to ponder lifting this thing from
> the work bench to above eye level AND negotiate the union of the column
> into the mounting hole. My wife would be needed, she being a quilter has
> the talent to thread a needle, surely she can guide us in placing the head
> on to the column. We both squat under the head teetering on the edge of
> the bench and slowly stand up with the bottom ends of the head setting on
> the palms of out hands and then proceed to the DP column. Now we need to
> push up from about shoulder level to above "my" eye level and gently
> lower the head on to the column. With my wife's guidance we managed to
> lift the head above the column and set it on the column but not quite in
> the right spot, but it did give us a chance to do some more much needed
> huffing and puffing as it sat delicately balanced on the top of the
> column. We gathered more courage, lifted, wiggled, grunted, and
> delicately let the head SLAM in place on the column. Now I am sure that
> the head probably did not weigh much over 150 lbs but there are really no
> decent places to grab that do not have sharp edges or pointed bolts
> sticking out so the comfort factor was reeeeeel low and as you well know
> if the comfort factor is reeeel low things change. Couple that with the
> wind chill factor and you get a head that feels like it weighs 300 lbs.
> OK I have had the DP for a whole 5 days and so far it works GREAT!.
> LOL, We'll see if it holds up 30 years like the DP it is replacing. Fit
> and finish, every thing fits fine. All bolts threaded properly in all
> threaded holes, and all components fit as wanted, not necessarily
> expected, but that is a good thing. Finish, probably the worse surface
> finish of any one piece of my equipment, although it looks good the non
> milled surfaces feel like 40 grit sand paper. All of these surfaces have
> a black paint finish. The surfaces feel like they have been covered with
> black wrinkle paint. An up close look reveals regular paint on a rough
> surface. Machined surfaces however are very good and those surfaces work
> together smoothly. In particular the forward tilt table tilts forward very
> smoothly and stays where you put it before tightening the 2 trunions in
> place. The laser, not an item that I would have paid extra for, provides
> a thin narrow line on one side and a line about 4 times wider on the other
> side. I am not quite sure how or if this can be corrected. As it is the
> lines cross at the target to within about 1/16" accuracy. If both light
> lines were thin the accuracy would probably be closer to 1/64". With 16
> speeds I have a much wider choice of speeds and a lower range of speeds
> than with my older DP. The Speed/Pulley chart that Delta puts inside the
> belt cover is terrible. It indicates the belt positions starting with the
> belts at the top of the pulley and the next belt one pulley down, this
> progresses one pulley at a time until all belts are at the lowest points
> on the pulleys. While this may seem OK it does not indicate chuck speed
> increase or decrease in any particular order. So if you want to go from
> 215 RPM to say 540 rpm you have to look are every pulley drawing
> configuration to find that speed and there actually may not be a 540 RPM
> speed. To solve this I used Sketchup to redraw all the pulley
> configurations except that they are in progressive RPM order. This way
> you know which speed is actually next by looking at the next speed as
> opposed to hunting for the next higher speed on all of the other drawings.
> If any one is interested I can send you a copy of this drawing in PDF or
> Sketchup format and you can change the rpm's to reflect the ones on your
> particular DP. The ON/OFF switch is still the spring loaded push button
> desigh that pretends to look like a magnetic switch. If the DP is
> unplugged you cannot tell if the switch is off or on and plugging it back
> in may indeed turn the DP back on unexpectedly. My Jet lathe and Delta
> stationary planer use similar style switches and also require you to
> manually insure that the switch is in the off position before plugging it
> in. The Delta DP switch is improved however as you can push the switch at
> any place and it will perform the expected function. The other mentioned
> switches require an "in the middle straight in push" to operate. I have
> transferred my new DP table and fence from my old DP and am eagerly
> awaiting the opportunity to drill some holes.
>
> Any one in the Houston area interested in a Rockwell radial DP?
>
As someone who has set up a number of shops, I can relate to the assembly
trauma/ordeal. One thing I did after a time is to keep some 2 X 4's handy
and make some kind of support beam. I would either cut away some material to
fit the equipment and/or add something. Then lift from the wood rather than
from the machine. Much easier on the hands and back. Although as I get
older, I think a better solution is to hire some healthy. strong backs for
the task.
Good to hear that the DP is meeting or beating your expectations.
"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> NO! I "HOPE" that, and mentioned to my wife that I am finished buying
>> big
>> machinery.
>
> Then, you're going to have a BIG PROBLEM sometime in the near future.
> Knowing your penchant for Festool, what are you going to do when they come
> out with their 3000 lb quadruple in one thingamadoodle? :)
>
>
Not to worry, even Leon can't afford that monster.
"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> NO! I "HOPE" that, and mentioned to my wife that I am finished buying
>> big
>> machinery.
>
> Then, you're going to have a BIG PROBLEM sometime in the near future.
> Knowing your penchant for Festool, what are you going to do when they come
> out with their 3000 lb quadruple in one thingamadoodle? :)
That even sounds too expensive. I can tell you right now I won't be able to
afford it. LOL
Although I have been reading about the new Festool Drills. Yes very
expensive, 2.5 time more expensive than a similar cordless drill. They have
an electronic clutch and apparently cut the power when the desired torque is
reached. And they come with a rotatable flush position drill adapter, a 90
degree drill adapter, and a chuck drill adapter, in addition to the built
ins hex drive.
Jack Stein wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>> "Jack Stein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>>> It was a fun post. Next time though, use a few line feeds... they
>>> are cheap and are easier on these old eyes...
>>
>> Line Feeds?
>
> Line feeds separate paragraphs or sentences. You need two of them at
> the end of a paragraph in order to get some white space, breaking up
> long posts making them easier to read. Like this:
>
> There is no compelling reason I can see to worry too much about when to
> make these separations either, just that too much typing without space
> makes it harder to follow along on long posts, and spacing like this
> makes it easier to edit replies. Often, if I get too wordy I'll go back
> and stick in some line feeds (white space).
>
> Your post was long and with no white space my first impulse is to skip
> the whole thing. Once I started reading it, it was a good read and well
> written, but the white space makes it more inviting (too me, anyway)
> than a page[s] of text with no white space...
Ah; Jack, you're talking about line feeds in different places than Pat
was. You're simply asking Leon to use multiple paragraphs in place of
one big one.
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"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> I will say that the DP was well packed but not from the stand point of
> having to "unpack".
I've always wondered why most manufacturers don't include a little
additional engineering in their products ~ engineering in their packaging
I'm talking about. I remember buying a colour Xerox printer some five or six
years ago. The box with printer was over 80 lbs and far to bulky for me to
handle from my chair. But, it didn't matter in the least.
Once the box was placed where you wanted it, several clips were released at
the base of the box and you lifted the sides away. Removing the rest of the
heavily reinforced cardboard base involved raising each corner of the
printer a half inch or so and sliding that corner away. Since that time,
I've yet to come across any other packaging so well engineered and easy to
use. And even better, once the printer was fully unpackaged and ready to
use, I found the printer itself to be equally as well engineered when it
came to form and function. I don't impress very easily, but this packaging
did it with ease.
Of course, heavy iron is in a different category, but the situation is
similar.
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:29:02 -0500, "Leon"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Leon" wrote:
>>
>>> I'll try to be more considerate for you older guys. ;~)
>>
>> Not only old, but lazy.
>>
>> Ever wonder why legal briefs are double spaced?
>Speaking of that, I know several years ago the better Canon 35mm cameras
>could detect where you were looking in the view finder and would
>automatically focus at that distance. Surely a similar device could be
>used, similar to a web cam, that would detect where you were looking on the
>screed
Ha, ha. Was that intentional?
>and enlarge that line of text.
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If you can't figure out how to use it, I probably wouldn't
care to correspond with you anyway.
"Leon" <[email protected]> writes:
> You should have seen my son and I mounting the 4.5hp
>220 volt Baldor motor to the Laguna band saw. He had to hold the motor up
>about 20" off the floor and keep it properly clocked while I on the other
>side of the saw screwed the bolts in and hold the belt out of the way. The
>motor probably weighed close to 100 lbs. and makes the 3 hp motor on the
>planer and TS look small by compairison.
Hm. When I got my LT16, they had shipped two 4x4 blocks of wood that were
the perfect length to support the motor while I bolted it to the frame.
scott
"Leon" <[email protected]> writes:
>
>"Scott Lurndal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> "Leon" <[email protected]> writes:
>>> You should have seen my son and I mounting the 4.5hp
>>>220 volt Baldor motor to the Laguna band saw. He had to hold the motor up
>>>about 20" off the floor and keep it properly clocked while I on the other
>>>side of the saw screwed the bolts in and hold the belt out of the way.
>>>The
>>>motor probably weighed close to 100 lbs. and makes the 3 hp motor on the
>>>planer and TS look small by compairison.
>>
>> Hm. When I got my LT16, they had shipped two 4x4 blocks of wood that were
>> the perfect length to support the motor while I bolted it to the frame.
>>
>> scott
>
>LT16 or LT16HD? My LT16HD motor was wrapped in Styrofoam and card board
>setting on top of the bottom wheel housing. Basically it was setting where
>the table sets. AND it was strapped in place so it would not fall out of
>that location. No wooden blocks. ;~(
>
LT-16 (but with foot brake).
Mine was the same way. The table was in a separate box strapped to the
side where the motor mounts and the motor (in original box) was strapped
where the table mounts.
The two 4x4 blocks of wood were on the top of the unit. I don't remember
now their actual purpose, IIRC they were just used to protect the
tension adjustment knob from damage.
BTW - if you release tension, don't forget to reapply _before_ you hit
the power button. DAMHIKT.
scott
Yep...line feeds...that funky looking key just to your
right... Here is a brief version with "line feeds"..
********** Leon's Post with LF's **************
If you have been following my hunt for a new DP
with more capacity and convenience features you
may also know that I decided and got a decent deal
on the Delta 17-959L.
My son and I went down to Rockler Saturday morning
and picked it up, in the box, and a also got a universal
mobile base.
Getting home with the prize I immediately began putting
together the mobile base, this is the 3rd of this type
base I have in the shop.
If I were a beginner woodworker I may have given up on
wood working right then.
It was not the base, it was me.
You know when you read on the wrong side of the
inch marker.... you want 20.5" and end up cutting 19.5".
Both are exactly .5" on either side of the 20" marker.
Any way after a few hours the base was finished and
worked fine.
Next I put a piece of plywood appropriately larger
than the DP base and bolted it to the mobile base,
then the DP base was bolted to the ply wood base.
Leon wrote:
> Line Feeds?
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> NO! I "HOPE" that, and mentioned to my wife that I am finished buying big
> machinery.
Then, you're going to have a BIG PROBLEM sometime in the near future.
Knowing your penchant for Festool, what are you going to do when they come
out with their 3000 lb quadruple in one thingamadoodle? :)
On Apr 29, 11:29=A0am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> =A0 =A0 =A0If you have been following my hunt for a new DP with more capa=
city and
> convenience features you may also know that I decided and got a decent de=
al
> on the Delta 17-959L. =A0My son and I went down to Rockler Saturday morni=
ng
> and picked it up, in the box, and a also got a universal mobile base.
> Getting home with the prize I immediately began putting together the mobi=
le
> base, this is the 3rd of this type base I have in the shop. =A0If I were =
a
> beginner woodworker I may have given up on wood working right then. =A0It=
was
> not the base, it was me. =A0You know when you read on the wrong side of t=
he
> inch marker.... =A0you want 20.5" and end up cutting 19.5". =A0Both are e=
xactly
> .5" on either side of the 20" marker. =A0Any way after a few hours the ba=
se
> was finished and worked fine. =A0Next I put a piece of plywood appropriat=
ely
> larger than the DP base and bolted it to the mobile base, then the DP bas=
e
> was bolted to the ply wood base. =A0Then I could begin assembling the DP.
> The column was next bolted to the DP base and the table attached to the
> column mount. =A0Then came the struggle of getting the heavy DP head to t=
he
> top of the column. =A0Actually next came getting the heavy DP head out of=
the
> box. =A0My 21 year old son and I looked like a clown act trying to get th=
e
> thing out of the box. =A0Of course the box lid folds open but each side o=
f the
> lid is wider than the box side so the lid effectively makes the width of =
the
> box even wider and the target even farther away. =A0We both stumbled a co=
uple
> of times tripping and smashing the box as we carried our catch away. =A0 =
We
> put the head on a work bench and waited until all of the huffing and puff=
ing
> subsided to ponder lifting this thing from the work bench to above eye le=
vel
> AND negotiate the union of the column into the mounting hole. =A0My wife =
would
> be needed, she being a quilter has the talent to thread a needle, surely =
she
> can guide us in placing the head on to the column. =A0We both squat under=
the
> head teetering on the edge of the bench and slowly stand up with the =A0b=
ottom
> ends of the head setting on the palms of out hands and then proceed to th=
e
> DP column. =A0Now we need to push up from =A0about shoulder level to abov=
e "my"
> eye level and gently lower the head on to the column. =A0With my wife's
> guidance we managed to lift the head above the column and set it on the
> column but not quite in the right spot, but it did give us a chance to do
> some more much needed huffing and puffing as it sat delicately balanced o=
n
> the top of the column. =A0We gathered more courage, lifted, wiggled, grun=
ted,
> and delicately let the head SLAM in place on the column. =A0 Now I am sur=
e
> that the head probably did not weigh much over 150 lbs but there are real=
ly
> no decent places to grab that do not have sharp edges or pointed bolts
> sticking out so the comfort factor was reeeeeel low and as you well know =
if
> the comfort factor is reeeel low things change. =A0Couple that with the w=
ind
> chill factor and you get a head that feels like it weighs 300 lbs.
> =A0 =A0 =A0OK I have had the DP for a whole 5 days and so far it works GR=
EAT!.
> LOL, =A0We'll see if it holds up 30 years like the DP it is replacing. =
=A0Fit
> and finish, every thing fits fine. =A0All bolts threaded properly in all
> threaded holes, and all components fit as wanted, not necessarily expecte=
d,
> but that is a good thing. =A0Finish, probably the worse surface finish of=
any
> one piece of my equipment, although it looks good the non milled surfaces
> feel like 40 grit sand paper. =A0All of these surfaces have a black paint
> finish. =A0 The surfaces feel like they have been covered with black wrin=
kle
> paint. =A0An up close look reveals regular paint on a rough surface. =A0M=
achined
> surfaces however are very good and those surfaces work together smoothly.
> In particular the forward tilt table tilts forward very smoothly and stay=
s
> where you put it before tightening the 2 trunions in place. =A0The laser,=
not
> an item that I would have paid extra for, provides a thin narrow line on =
one
> side and a line about 4 times wider on the other side. =A0I am not quite =
sure
> how or if this can be corrected. =A0As it is the lines cross at the targe=
t to
> within about 1/16" accuracy. =A0If both light lines were thin the accurac=
y
> would probably be closer to 1/64". =A0With 16 speeds I have a much wider
> choice of speeds and a lower range of speeds than with my older DP. =A0Th=
e
> Speed/Pulley chart that Delta puts inside the belt cover is terrible. =A0=
It
> indicates the belt positions starting with the belts at the top of the
> pulley and the next belt one pulley down, this progresses one pulley at a
> time until all belts are at the lowest points on the pulleys. =A0While th=
is
> may seem OK it does not indicate chuck speed increase or decrease in any
> particular order. =A0So if you want to go from 215 RPM to say 540 rpm you=
have
> to look are every pulley drawing configuration to find that speed and the=
re
> actually may not be a 540 RPM speed. =A0To solve this I used Sketchup to
> redraw all the pulley configurations except that they are in progressive =
RPM
> order. =A0This way you know which speed is actually next by looking at th=
e
> next speed as opposed to hunting for the next higher speed on all of the
> other drawings. =A0If any one is interested I can send you a copy of this
> drawing =A0in PDF or Sketchup format and you can change the rpm's to refl=
ect
> the ones on your particular DP. =A0 The ON/OFF switch is still the spring
> loaded push button desigh that pretends to look like a magnetic switch. =
=A0If
> the DP is unplugged you cannot tell if the switch is off or on and pluggi=
ng
> it back in may indeed turn the DP back on unexpectedly. =A0My Jet lathe a=
nd
> Delta stationary planer use similar style switches and also require you t=
o
> manually insure that the switch is in the off position before plugging it
> in. =A0The Delta DP switch is improved however as you can push the switch=
at
> any place and it will perform the expected function. =A0The other mention=
ed
> switches require an "in the middle straight in push" to operate. =A0I hav=
e
> transferred my new DP table and fence from my old DP and am eagerly await=
ing
> the opportunity to drill some holes.
>
> Any one in the Houston area interested in a Rockwell radial DP?
Just think. Now you get to make the most accurate hash-pipe on the
block. :-}
Congrats on the new toyyyOOlTOOL, I said TOOL.
Use it in safety and good health.
dpb wrote:
> Steve Turner wrote:
> ...
>> telling me your newsreader is so old and crusty it doesn't support
>> that new-fangled thing called "word wrap"... ?
> ...
>
> nntp protocol is line length <80 characters
Nice try, but I don't think so. Not according to this document at least:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3977
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Jack Stein wrote:
> My biggest complaint about newsgroups are it's readers. 20 years ago,
> in Fidonet, the readers were super nice. I used to use one written by
> Nick Night, can't remember the name of it, but it worked better than the
> rest of this stuff. I use Thunderbird now, it's ok at best, but nothing
> like the one Nick wrote.
I remember when "Blue Wave" first came out it was the cat's meow!
Next you'll start talking about ZMH and tossers. :)
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"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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Snip
Same with
doing a clean and jerk with a drill press head, after which you get to
move it around until the column and the hole in the head line up--
usually right after one of your fingers slips into the hole on the
head.
Fortunatley my son was on the motor end and I was on teh quill end. The
finger clipper was out of reach, in the middle.
Some of the newer packing set ups come close to being totally baffling
anyway. Jet's hybrid saw, for example, is a really nice tool. It comes
packed upside down, in tightfitting styrofoam inside tightfitting
cardboard (for those old enough, think Sammy Davis Jr.'s britches).
Once you unearth the manual, it tells you to save all packing
materials in case something is wrong. Uh, sure. After using a utility
knife to slice both cardboard and styrofoam, I'm going to store all
the cut up bits. Ryobi's hybrid comes packing inside a metal cage. The
saw has a granite top and weights, if memory serves, 452 pounds
without its cage.
I will say that the DP was well packed but not from the stand point of
having to "unpack".
Enjoy your new DP, Leon.
A heart felt, Thank you, Charlie !
dpb <[email protected]> writes:
> Steve Turner wrote:
> ...
>> telling me your newsreader is so old and crusty it doesn't support
>> that new-fangled thing called "word wrap"... ?
> ...
>
> nntp protocol is line length <80 characters
You mean netiquette.
Steve Turner <[email protected]> writes:
> Yeah, but now I have to scroll vertically to see the whole post, and
> my uber-wide, ultra-fancy, 24" LCD monitor has 30% text on the left
> side of the screen and 70% empty whitespace on the right! And surely
> you're not telling me your newsreader is so old and crusty it doesn't
> support that new-fangled thing called "word wrap"... ?
>
> :-)
>
You suck! :-)
Some people are reading this on a netbook......
I was simply trying to make his a "wee bit" more
readable. Mine are short because I use a very wide
screen that many folks do not have.
Just for the record, most people outside the
computer world have no idea what a LF is.
Jack Stein wrote:
> At any rate, looking at your message, the line lengths are perfect for
> me, Pats are too short, and I think mine are too long... when I read my
> own posts. Messing with all this stuff always gives me a headache:-)
"LRod" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>>screed
>
> Ha, ha. Was that intentional?
>
>>and enlarge that line of text.
>
type-o, I mean YEAH!
Oooooooooooooooooooohhhhhh!
Double space between paragraphs or something similar. As you may have
noticed, I was doing good to indent a time or two.
I'll try to be more considerate for you older guys. ;~)
"Pat Barber" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Yep...line feeds...that funky looking key just to your
> right... Here is a brief version with "line feeds"..
>
> ********** Leon's Post with LF's **************
>
> If you have been following my hunt for a new DP
> with more capacity and convenience features you
> may also know that I decided and got a decent deal
> on the Delta 17-959L.
>
> My son and I went down to Rockler Saturday morning
> and picked it up, in the box, and a also got a universal
> mobile base.
>
> Getting home with the prize I immediately began putting
> together the mobile base, this is the 3rd of this type
> base I have in the shop.
>
> If I were a beginner woodworker I may have given up on
> wood working right then.
>
> It was not the base, it was me.
>
> You know when you read on the wrong side of the
> inch marker.... you want 20.5" and end up cutting 19.5".
> Both are exactly .5" on either side of the 20" marker.
>
> Any way after a few hours the base was finished and
> worked fine.
>
> Next I put a piece of plywood appropriately larger
> than the DP base and bolted it to the mobile base,
> then the DP base was bolted to the ply wood base.
>
>
> Leon wrote:
>
>> Line Feeds?
>
"DGDevin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Leon wrote:
>
>> The column was next bolted to the DP base and the table attached to
>> the column mount. Then came the struggle of getting the heavy DP
>> head to the top of the column. Actually next came getting the heavy
>> DP head out of the box. My 21 year old son and I looked like a clown
>> act trying to get the thing out of the box. Of course the box lid
>> folds open but each side of the lid is wider than the box side so the
>> lid effectively makes the width of the box even wider and the target
>> even farther away. We both stumbled a couple of times tripping and
>> smashing the box as we carried our catch away.
>
> I've learned over the years to unpack in such a way that I can lift the
> box away from the contents, or just cut the sides down so they can be
> removed. Lifting big heavy things out of boxes is not good for aging
> backs.
Using that "hind site thang", that seems like a pretty good idea!
>
>> We put the head on a
>> work bench and waited until all of the huffing and puffing subsided
>> to ponder lifting this thing from the work bench to above eye level
>> AND negotiate the union of the column into the mounting hole. My
>> wife would be needed, she being a quilter has the talent to thread a
>> needle, surely she can guide us in placing the head on to the column.
>> We both squat under the head teetering on the edge of the bench and
>> slowly stand up with the bottom ends of the head setting on the
>> palms of out hands and then proceed to the DP column. Now we need to
>> push up from about shoulder level to above "my" eye level and gently
>> lower the head on to the column.
>
> I've have been tempted to assemble it horizontally on the floor and then
> use a pulley to hoist it vertical, but maybe with at least one more guy to
> help. Hmmmm, this sounds like good justification for a chain-hoist
> installation: "Honey, it's for safety, you want us to be safe, right?"
I thought about assembling it with it laying down but the base being on the
larger platform and it being on the wider mobile base seemed to present
possible problems. You should have seen my son and I mounting the 4.5hp
220 volt Baldor motor to the Laguna band saw. He had to hold the motor up
about 20" off the floor and keep it properly clocked while I on the other
side of the saw screwed the bolts in and hold the belt out of the way. The
motor probably weighed close to 100 lbs. and makes the 3 hp motor on the
planer and TS look small by compairison.
> Fun post to read, thanks.
Sure!
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:58c8cc39-e4e6-4b30-9bd2-53e19d1406ce@k19g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
Just think. Now you get to make the most accurate hash-pipe on the
block. :-}
Oar uh bong, man!
Congrats on the new toyyyOOlTOOL, I said TOOL.
Use it in safety and good health.
Thank you.
Jack Stein <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]
september.org:
> It was a fun post. Next time though, use a few line feeds... they are
> cheap and are easier on these old eyes...
It was a fun post. I was longing for the YouTube video link, thoguh ;-)
--
Best regards
Han
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"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> that the head probably did not weigh much over 150 lbs but there are
really
> no decent places to grab that do not have sharp edges or pointed bolts
> sticking out so the comfort factor was reeeeeel low and as you well know
if
> the comfort factor is reeeel low things change. Couple that with the wind
> chill factor and you get a head that feels like it weighs 300 lbs.
With all the toys you have, don't you think it's about time you invested in
a ceiling mounted rail system for hoisting and moving heavy objects around?
On Apr 29, 12:51=A0pm, "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > that the head probably did not weigh much over 150 lbs but there are
> really
> > no decent places to grab that do not have sharp edges or pointed bolts
> > sticking out so the comfort factor was reeeeeel low and as you well kno=
w
> if
> > the comfort factor is reeeel low things change. =A0Couple that with the=
wind
> > chill factor and you get a head that feels like it weighs 300 lbs.
>
> With all the toys you have, don't you think it's about time you invested =
in
> a ceiling mounted rail system for hoisting and moving heavy objects aroun=
d?
A peepot full of years ago, I bought an engine crane. It has removed
exactly one engine (that I know of: it is occasionally on loan), but
has lifted a lot of heavy tools onto their feet, drill press heads
onto their columns and that sort of thing. Long gone are the days when
I could put most of a 6" jointer together on the floor and then grab
the tables in close and flip it upright without a care. Same with
doing a clean and jerk with a drill press head, after which you get to
move it around until the column and the hole in the head line up--
usually right after one of your fingers slips into the hole on the
head.
Some of the newer packing set ups come close to being totally baffling
anyway. Jet's hybrid saw, for example, is a really nice tool. It comes
packed upside down, in tightfitting styrofoam inside tightfitting
cardboard (for those old enough, think Sammy Davis Jr.'s britches).
Once you unearth the manual, it tells you to save all packing
materials in case something is wrong. Uh, sure. After using a utility
knife to slice both cardboard and styrofoam, I'm going to store all
the cut up bits. Ryobi's hybrid comes packing inside a metal cage. The
saw has a granite top and weights, if memory serves, 452 pounds
without its cage.
Enjoy your new DP, Leon.
"Bob La Londe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> If both light lines were thin the accuracy
> would probably be closer to 1/64".
>
> When I need repeatability I use a back stop clamped to the table. I
> always measure and mark my first center point by hand. After that it
> depends on how much flex is in the DP head. I have a pretty much junk HF
> DP, but I can get ok work out of it that way.
Yeah that is hat I have been doing for the past 30 years with my old DP and
will probably continue to do so. However if "quick down and dirty and no
need for great accuracy" is good enough, the laser makes the task go 3 or 4
seconds faster per hole. It is especially more helpful when using larger
forstner bits as the point is harder to see.
"DGDevin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Using that "hind site thang", that seems like a pretty good idea!
>
> Experience, it's what teaches us to recognize a mistake when we've made it
> again.
Deja-vu
>
>> I thought about assembling it with it laying down but the base being
>> on the larger platform and it being on the wider mobile base seemed
>> to present possible problems. You should have seen my son and I
>> mounting the 4.5hp 220 volt Baldor motor to the Laguna band saw. He
>> had to hold the motor up about 20" off the floor and keep it properly
>> clocked while I on the other side of the saw screwed the bolts in and
>> hold the belt out of the way. The motor probably weighed close to
>> 100 lbs. and makes the 3 hp motor on the planer and TS look small by
>> compairison.
>
> It just occurred to me that within a fifteen minute drive of here there
> are at least two places that rent stuff like engine stands and portable
> hoists and scissor lifts so on. I'm going to have to remember that for
> future assemblies and installations instead of asking the wife to brace
> the [insert name of tool] while I try to hold a contorted position while
> threading a nut onto a bolt....
You had to bring that up...... I have a roll around hydraulic jack within a
15 seconds crawl under a work bench. ;~( I'm sure there was a good reason
for not using it 3 years ago.
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
If both light lines were thin the accuracy
would probably be closer to 1/64".
When I need repeatability I use a back stop clamped to the table. I always
measure and mark my first center point by hand. After that it depends on
how much flex is in the DP head. I have a pretty much junk HF DP, but I can
get ok work out of it that way.
Leon wrote:
> "DGDevin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> I've have been tempted to assemble it horizontally on the floor and then
>> use a pulley to hoist it vertical, but maybe with at least one more guy to
>> help. Hmmmm, this sounds like good justification for a chain-hoist
>> installation: "Honey, it's for safety, you want us to be safe, right?"
> I thought about assembling it with it laying down but the base being on the
> larger platform and it being on the wider mobile base seemed to present
> possible problems.
I did mine horizontally with no problems... different press and
different base though.
>> Fun post to read, thanks.
It was a fun post. Next time though, use a few line feeds... they are
cheap and are easier on these old eyes...
--
Jack
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http://jbstein.com
Leon wrote:
> "Jack Stein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> It was a fun post. Next time though, use a few line feeds... they are
>> cheap and are easier on these old eyes...
>
> Line Feeds?
Line feeds separate paragraphs or sentences. You need two of them at
the end of a paragraph in order to get some white space, breaking up
long posts making them easier to read. Like this:
There is no compelling reason I can see to worry too much about when to
make these separations either, just that too much typing without space
makes it harder to follow along on long posts, and spacing like this
makes it easier to edit replies. Often, if I get too wordy I'll go back
and stick in some line feeds (white space).
Your post was long and with no white space my first impulse is to skip
the whole thing. Once I started reading it, it was a good read and well
written, but the white space makes it more inviting (too me, anyway)
than a page[s] of text with no white space...
--
Jack
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http://jbstein.com
Steve Turner wrote:
> Jack Stein wrote:
>> Line feeds separate paragraphs or sentences. You need two of them at
>> the end of a paragraph in order to get some white space, breaking up
>> long posts making them easier to read. Like this:
> Ah; Jack, you're talking about line feeds in different places than Pat
> was. You're simply asking Leon to use multiple paragraphs in place of
> one big one.
Not sure what Pat was speaking of? He added white space double line
feeds between paragraphs, to which I'm speaking, but he also put
explicit line feeds to minimize line lengths as well. I think your
reader should manage the line lengths rather than force others to read
your line lengths.
At any rate, looking at your message, the line lengths are perfect for
me, Pats are too short, and I think mine are too long... when I read my
own posts. Messing with all this stuff always gives me a headache:-)
I know I always try to edit my messages for readability. I doubt I'm
always successful, and don't mind constructive criticism giving or
getting:-)
My biggest complaint about newsgroups are it's readers. 20 years ago,
in Fidonet, the readers were super nice. I used to use one written by
Nick Night, can't remember the name of it, but it worked better than the
rest of this stuff. I use Thunderbird now, it's ok at best, but nothing
like the one Nick wrote.
--
Jack
Using FREE News Server: http://Motzarella.org
http://jbstein.com
Swingman wrote:
> Jack Stein wrote:
>> My biggest complaint about newsgroups are it's readers. 20 years ago,
>> in Fidonet, the readers were super nice. I used to use one written by
>> Nick Night, can't remember the name of it, but it worked better than
>> the rest of this stuff. I use Thunderbird now, it's ok at best, but
>> nothing like the one Nick wrote.
>
> I remember when "Blue Wave" first came out it was the cat's meow!
>
> Next you'll start talking about ZMH and tossers. :)
Yes, Zone Mail Hour... I ran Opus, and it had one message one file
format for mail. Other BBS systems had a database method for mail. Opus
would create havoc with the archaic DOS file system because of a zillion
files being created and deleted every day. Even with the data base
method, DOS disk fragmentation was a big issue. When I started running
OS/2 and the HPFS file system, fragmentation was non-existent. A large
number of sysops had no clue...
--
Jack
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Leon wrote:
> The column was next bolted to the DP base and the table attached to
> the column mount. Then came the struggle of getting the heavy DP
> head to the top of the column. Actually next came getting the heavy
> DP head out of the box. My 21 year old son and I looked like a clown
> act trying to get the thing out of the box. Of course the box lid
> folds open but each side of the lid is wider than the box side so the
> lid effectively makes the width of the box even wider and the target
> even farther away. We both stumbled a couple of times tripping and
> smashing the box as we carried our catch away.
I've learned over the years to unpack in such a way that I can lift the box
away from the contents, or just cut the sides down so they can be removed.
Lifting big heavy things out of boxes is not good for aging backs.
> We put the head on a
> work bench and waited until all of the huffing and puffing subsided
> to ponder lifting this thing from the work bench to above eye level
> AND negotiate the union of the column into the mounting hole. My
> wife would be needed, she being a quilter has the talent to thread a
> needle, surely she can guide us in placing the head on to the column.
> We both squat under the head teetering on the edge of the bench and
> slowly stand up with the bottom ends of the head setting on the
> palms of out hands and then proceed to the DP column. Now we need to
> push up from about shoulder level to above "my" eye level and gently
> lower the head on to the column.
I've have been tempted to assemble it horizontally on the floor and then use
a pulley to hoist it vertical, but maybe with at least one more guy to help.
Hmmmm, this sounds like good justification for a chain-hoist installation:
"Honey, it's for safety, you want us to be safe, right?"
Fun post to read, thanks.
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:29:13 -0500, "Leon"
<[email protected]> wrote:
[snipped stream of consciousness report]
DGDevin beat me to the punch with the
assemble-it-on-the-ground-and-then-tilt-it-up suggestion. That's
exactly how I did my 17-925 (admittedly a little smaller and lighter,
but not by much). And except for the last part, tipping it up, I was
able to do it all alone. There was just no way to tip that beast by
myself, though, so I called on my neighbor who works nights...
And even when you were "yabbuting" the idea with the comment about the
base being bolted to the ply and the ply bolted to the mobile base, I
was saying, "duh, unbolt the base--tip the whole thing up and then
move it onto the base and rebolt."
Too late, now, though, so never mind.
But to all you youngsters out there--try to avoid at all costs hand
lifting a heavy (more than a bag of Sakrete), unwieldy piece of arn up
over your head. No fun and fraught with danger.
I too have come to the conclusion that I pretty much have what I need.
I just can't bring myself to say it unconditionally, and I certainly
haven't articulated it to SWMBO. The door of opportunity for future
purchase I haven't foreseen would slam shut and be permanently dogged
down within microseconds of her hearing "...don't need more tools."
Have fun with the new toy.
--
LRod
Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
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email addy de-spam-ified due to 1,000 spams per month.
If you can't figure out how to use it, I probably wouldn't
care to correspond with you anyway.
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Leon" wrote:
>
>> I'll try to be more considerate for you older guys. ;~)
>
> Not only old, but lazy.
>
> Ever wonder why legal briefs are double spaced?
No, I'm strictly a Jockey briefs kinda guy. ;!)
Speaking of that, I know several years ago the better Canon 35mm cameras
could detect where you were looking in the view finder and would
automatically focus at that distance. Surely a similar device could be
used, similar to a web cam, that would detect where you were looking on the
screed and enlarge that line of text.
"Scott Lurndal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Leon" <[email protected]> writes:
>> You should have seen my son and I mounting the 4.5hp
>>220 volt Baldor motor to the Laguna band saw. He had to hold the motor up
>>about 20" off the floor and keep it properly clocked while I on the other
>>side of the saw screwed the bolts in and hold the belt out of the way.
>>The
>>motor probably weighed close to 100 lbs. and makes the 3 hp motor on the
>>planer and TS look small by compairison.
>
> Hm. When I got my LT16, they had shipped two 4x4 blocks of wood that were
> the perfect length to support the motor while I bolted it to the frame.
>
> scott
LT16 or LT16HD? My LT16HD motor was wrapped in Styrofoam and card board
setting on top of the bottom wheel housing. Basically it was setting where
the table sets. AND it was strapped in place so it would not fall out of
that location. No wooden blocks. ;~(
"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> With all the toys you have, don't you think it's about time you invested
> in
> a ceiling mounted rail system for hoisting and moving heavy objects
> around?
>
>
NO! I "HOPE" that, and mentioned to my wife that I am finished buying big
machinery. My dear wife said it would be OK if I found more to buy.
All of my heavy stuff is now mobile and easy to move. If and when we move,
this will aid in moving the equipment.
Last August I helped Swingman move his shop to a storage center after his
shop flooded. He rented a box van with lift gate and the moving task was
really quite simple and went with out much difficulty including the cabinet
saw with its long right table.
Of course Swingman was not in a jolly mood during the ordeal, it was enough
to try anyone's temperament. Ironically his shop is now in a new location
and he later raised the floor in the old location to prevent flooding.
Unfortunately the new location flooded and the old location stayed dry.
;~( Talk about NOT dodging the bullets.
Stephen Quinn wrote:
> It has to do with the early computer (TTY) consoles/telex machines only
> being able to display/print 80 characters per line.
>
> CYA
> Steve
Yes, I used those myself when I was a "computer operator" back in the
days before Apples and IBM PCs. I understand all the reasons why one
might want to restrict line lengths to 80 characters (I still do it
myself in my C source code), but NNTP doesn't impose such a restriction
and there is little reason to manually do so in this day and age. I
would argue that introducing explicit line endings into otherwise
free-flowing paragraphs of text creates as many problems as it solves.
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Leon wrote:
> "Scott Lurndal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> BTW - if you release tension,
>
> I DO!
>
> don't forget to reapply _before_ you hit
>> the power button. DAMHIKT.
>
>
> Yeah I think I did that once many years ago on my old Craftsman. What I do
> now as a reminder is to engage the dead kill switch if I relieve tension.
> If the saw will not start and the dead kill switch is engaged I know to
> check the tension first.
My saw doesn't have that, so I just pop open the upper door so it opens
the interlock switch.
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"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Good to hear that the DP is meeting or beating your expectations.
Thanks!
"Leon" wrote:
> Speaking of that, I know several years ago the better Canon 35mm
> cameras could detect where you were looking in the view finder and
> would automatically focus at that distance. Surely a similar device
> could be used, similar to a web cam, that would detect where you
> were looking on the screed and enlarge that line of text.
If the text isn't formatted so that it is easy to read (Including "no
squint" type size), I just move on to the next posting.
Lew
Leon wrote:
>> It just occurred to me that within a fifteen minute drive of here
>> there are at least two places that rent stuff like engine stands and
>> portable hoists and scissor lifts so on. I'm going to have to
>> remember that for future assemblies and installations instead of
>> asking the wife to brace the [insert name of tool] while I try to
>> hold a contorted position while threading a nut onto a bolt....
>
> You had to bring that up...... I have a roll around hydraulic jack
> within a 15 seconds crawl under a work bench. ;~( I'm sure there
> was a good reason for not using it 3 years ago.
I had to wonder, I'm betting you're not alone in that sort of thing.
Pat Barber wrote:
> Yep...line feeds...that funky looking key just to your
> right... Here is a brief version with "line feeds"..
>
> ********** Leon's Post with LF's **************
>
> If you have been following my hunt for a new DP
> with more capacity and convenience features you
> may also know that I decided and got a decent deal
> on the Delta 17-959L.
>
> My son and I went down to Rockler Saturday morning
> and picked it up, in the box, and a also got a universal
> mobile base.
>
> Getting home with the prize I immediately began putting
> together the mobile base, this is the 3rd of this type
> base I have in the shop.
>
> If I were a beginner woodworker I may have given up on
> wood working right then.
>
> It was not the base, it was me.
>
> You know when you read on the wrong side of the
> inch marker.... you want 20.5" and end up cutting 19.5".
> Both are exactly .5" on either side of the 20" marker.
>
> Any way after a few hours the base was finished and
> worked fine.
>
> Next I put a piece of plywood appropriately larger
> than the DP base and bolted it to the mobile base,
> then the DP base was bolted to the ply wood base.
Yeah, but now I have to scroll vertically to see the whole post, and my
uber-wide, ultra-fancy, 24" LCD monitor has 30% text on the left side of
the screen and 70% empty whitespace on the right! And surely you're not
telling me your newsreader is so old and crusty it doesn't support that
new-fangled thing called "word wrap"... ?
:-)
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"Jack Stein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Leon wrote:
>> "DGDevin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>>> I've have been tempted to assemble it horizontally on the floor and then
>>> use a pulley to hoist it vertical, but maybe with at least one more guy
>>> to help. Hmmmm, this sounds like good justification for a chain-hoist
>>> installation: "Honey, it's for safety, you want us to be safe, right?"
>
>> I thought about assembling it with it laying down but the base being on
>> the larger platform and it being on the wider mobile base seemed to
>> present possible problems.
>
> I did mine horizontally with no problems... different press and different
> base though.
I figured that the mobile base would handle the 238 lbs better in its normal
operating position rather than on its side.
> It was a fun post. Next time though, use a few line feeds... they are
> cheap and are easier on these old eyes...
Line Feeds?
"Steve Turner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ah; Jack, you're talking about line feeds in different places than Pat
> was. You're simply asking Leon to use multiple paragraphs in place of one
> big one.
THERE WERE "2" paragraphs. LOL
"LRod" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 10:29:13 -0500, "Leon"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> [snipped stream of consciousness report]
>
> DGDevin beat me to the punch with the
> assemble-it-on-the-ground-and-then-tilt-it-up suggestion. That's
> exactly how I did my 17-925 (admittedly a little smaller and lighter,
> but not by much). And except for the last part, tipping it up, I was
> able to do it all alone. There was just no way to tip that beast by
> myself, though, so I called on my neighbor who works nights...
>
> And even when you were "yabbuting" the idea with the comment about the
> base being bolted to the ply and the ply bolted to the mobile base, I
> was saying, "duh, unbolt the base--tip the whole thing up and then
> move it onto the base and rebolt."
LOL, yabutt, here is the deal. The plywood is bolted to the DP base with
long bolts. The bolts come up through the bottom so the base would have to
be up in the air to get the bolts back in unless I cut them or I could'a
lifted the entire DP up and sie back down over the 3 bolts. I was not in
that frame of mind at the time. The thought did occur to me. Basically
it was a six of one, half a dozen of the other kinda consideration. I was
thinking much less work if we can muscle it up there. The ply base might'a
could'a been rebolted to the mobile base but clearance was tight when it was
easy to work on, on the floor probably would have increased the difficulty
factor a time or two. Then there is the considration of lifting a 240 lb.
DP up and into place. We assembled this thing "pyramid" style.
>
> Too late, now, though, so never mind.
Yeah!
>
> But to all you youngsters out there--try to avoid at all costs hand
> lifting a heavy (more than a bag of Sakrete), unwieldy piece of arn up
> over your head. No fun and fraught with danger.
Agreed, Even with that example, I only buy 50# bags just so I don't have to
deal with the 80# bags. Talk about dead weight.
>
> I too have come to the conclusion that I pretty much have what I need.
> I just can't bring myself to say it unconditionally, and I certainly
> haven't articulated it to SWMBO. The door of opportunity for future
> purchase I haven't foreseen would slam shut and be permanently dogged
> down within microseconds of her hearing "...don't need more tools."
Almost from the day my wife and I met she knew that I built stuff, wooden
stuff. I have enlarged and totally rebbuilt her kitchen, master bathroom,
and all of the wooden furniture in our home, with the excption of a couple
of pieces. And I actually make money with my tools, so she has always been
very accepting of my fondness for new stuff.
>
> Have fun with the new toy.
Thank you sir!
"Scott Lurndal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> BTW - if you release tension,
I DO!
don't forget to reapply _before_ you hit
> the power button. DAMHIKT.
Yeah I think I did that once many years ago on my old Craftsman. What I do
now as a reminder is to engage the dead kill switch if I relieve tension.
If the saw will not start and the dead kill switch is engaged I know to
check the tension first.
"Steve Turner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Yeah, but now I have to scroll vertically to see the whole post, and my
> uber-wide, ultra-fancy, 24" LCD monitor has 30% text on the left side of
> the screen and 70% empty whitespace on the right! And surely you're not
> telling me your newsreader is so old and crusty it doesn't support that
> new-fangled thing called "word wrap"... ?
I use a darn ole 18.1" NEC LCD. I have had it for 8 years and it just
won't die not even any blown pixels. I have been drooling over the 24"ers
for a couple of years now. They sure have come down in price a LOT. I have
been seeing them regularly advertised for $199 at CompUSA.
Actually they have become too inexpensive for my taste now, I think I'll
start focusing on the newer OLED 24"ers when they come out. :~)
Leon wrote:
>> I've learned over the years to unpack in such a way that I can lift
>> the box away from the contents, or just cut the sides down so they
>> can be removed. Lifting big heavy things out of boxes is not good
>> for aging backs.
>
> Using that "hind site thang", that seems like a pretty good idea!
Experience, it's what teaches us to recognize a mistake when we've made it
again.
> I thought about assembling it with it laying down but the base being
> on the larger platform and it being on the wider mobile base seemed
> to present possible problems. You should have seen my son and I
> mounting the 4.5hp 220 volt Baldor motor to the Laguna band saw. He
> had to hold the motor up about 20" off the floor and keep it properly
> clocked while I on the other side of the saw screwed the bolts in and
> hold the belt out of the way. The motor probably weighed close to
> 100 lbs. and makes the 3 hp motor on the planer and TS look small by
> compairison.
It just occurred to me that within a fifteen minute drive of here there are
at least two places that rent stuff like engine stands and portable hoists
and scissor lifts so on. I'm going to have to remember that for future
assemblies and installations instead of asking the wife to brace the [insert
name of tool] while I try to hold a contorted position while threading a nut
onto a bolt....