Thanks, Tom.
"Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 03:51:32 GMT, "Mike in Mystic"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Thanks, Tom. I just drew up a really terrible sketch in Paint - totally
not
> >to scale, but it should give a better idea of what I'm trying to do.
I'll
> >write more of an explanation over in ABPW with the drawing.
> >
>
>
> Mike: I answered this (I hope) over on ABPW.
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Tom.
>
> Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
> tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
> http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1
"Kevin Singleton" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> To my understanding, yes. The e-mail showed the difference between
> Rockler's clamps and the "others", including the stain left by "their" black
> iron pipe. From what I read, the Rockler clamps come with 48" of galvanized
> pipe.
The way I read it was the $19.99 was for the two pieces of 48" galvanized pipe.
The clamps were extra....
- Bob Headrick
On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 17:07:26 +1200, "Greg Coulter"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Where are the best deals?
>
>kiwigreg
>
You might want to ask yourself how many of these K bodies you want to
keep around the shop.
I keep four of them but, to be fair, I also have a number of Jorgensen
I-beam style bar clamps.
Both of these styles are heavy and make a glued up piece hard to move
off the bench.
Some years back I got rid of about half the Jorgensen in favor of the
Bessey Tradesman style clamps. These are light and plenty strong.
The advantage to the K bodies is that they square things up for you
pretty good. The disadvantage is the weight.
I've seen carcases deformed by the weight of too many heavy clamps.
The K bodies are sort of all the rage just now but a collection of
mixed styles might be more beneficial and cost effective.
Regards,
Tom.
Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1
I went on a clamp buying spree a while back when the local HD was
clearing out their stuff. Bought 5 long K bodies and many many of the
Jorgenson bar clamps. I got an email about a clamp sale from Penn State
Industries.
http://www.pennstateindustries.com/
I bought about $200 dollars worth of the squeeze to close clamps from
their site. They put them on sale all the time, (right now they have
free shipping with $100 dollar order.)
Ok, one arrived broken out of 15. Called them on the phone and told
them. Had a replacement in 3 days. Took the broken one and epoxied the
handle, good as new.
When ever I clamp, these are the first ones I grab.
Check out the site and be sure to click on the link for web specials.
They have links to a lot of the previous web sales that they will still
honor. You can not beat their prices for real quality clamps.
Label is not everything. If the clamp holds tight and straight, that is
good enough for me.
And I can spend the money I saved on other stuff!!
Bill
Tom Watson wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 17:07:26 +1200, "Greg Coulter"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Where are the best deals?
>>
>>kiwigreg
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Rockler is including the PIPE for their pipe clamps???
Typically you can buy the Pony brand pipe clamps for around $10-$11 a
set
On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 18:04:04 -0400, "Kevin Singleton"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>The latest Rockler e-mail says they'll sell you two of their 48" pipe clamps
>for $19.99. I know these aren't K-bodies, but they're good pipe clamps, for
>a good price.
>
>Kevin
"Greg Coulter" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Where are the best deals?
If you consider the Jorgensen Cabinet Master clamps, check out the
prices in quantity of four at www.leevalley.com. 48" cabinetmaster
clamps are $31.50 each.
Bob
Thanks, Tom. I just drew up a really terrible sketch in Paint - totally not
to scale, but it should give a better idea of what I'm trying to do. I'll
write more of an explanation over in ABPW with the drawing.
Mike
"Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 21:59:22 GMT, "Mike in Mystic"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Hey Tom, welcome back.
> >
> >I am planning a built-in cabinet project for my finished attic -
something
> >I've never done or even come close to doing. It would be simple except
for
> >the brilliant thought I came up with - having a swing-out bookcase that
> >hides a fairly large door that provides access to rafter storage. The
> >wall/roof has a gabeled profile, so I'm a little unsure how to provide a
> >hinge support for this type of thing. Looking at your website, I would
> >wager you've done just about every kind of built-in project - do you know
of
> >any books or websites or other resources that might educate someone like
me
> >with basically no experience on this type of thing?
> >
> >Thanks for any suggestions or help you can offer.
>
>
> If you could sketch it up a little bit and put it up on ABPW, I'd be
> glad to help you.
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Tom.
>
> Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
> tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
> http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1
To my understanding, yes. The e-mail showed the difference between
Rockler's clamps and the "others", including the stain left by "their" black
iron pipe. From what I read, the Rockler clamps come with 48" of galvanized
pipe.
Kevin
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"John" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Rockler is including the PIPE for their pipe clamps???
>
> Typically you can buy the Pony brand pipe clamps for around $10-$11 a
> set
>
> On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 18:04:04 -0400, "Kevin Singleton"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >The latest Rockler e-mail says they'll sell you two of their 48" pipe
clamps
> >for $19.99. I know these aren't K-bodies, but they're good pipe clamps,
for
> >a good price.
> >
> >Kevin
>
>
The latest Rockler e-mail says they'll sell you two of their 48" pipe clamps
for $19.99. I know these aren't K-bodies, but they're good pipe clamps, for
a good price.
Kevin
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"Bob Davis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Greg Coulter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > Where are the best deals?
>
> If you consider the Jorgensen Cabinet Master clamps, check out the
> prices in quantity of four at www.leevalley.com. 48" cabinetmaster
> clamps are $31.50 each.
>
> Bob
"Greg Coulter" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Where are the best deals?
>
> kiwigreg
>
>
When Home Depot, here in the United States, was changing their featured
cabinet clamp supplier, there were many postings on the best deals on
KBodies. One of the wReckers suggested that Gross Stabil PC2 clamps were
every bit as good, and offered a link to an online retailer who had a
really great deal on them.
I took a flyer, and bought 4 of the 31" version. They are at least as
good, and I find them actually somewhat easier to use. And my 8 Kbodies
don't get jealous.
By the way, I seem to use that 31" size most often for the cabinets I
build.
Now, about great deals half a world away, I can't help much. But search
for the PC2 clamp, and see what you can find.
Patriarch
"Myxylplyk" wrote in message
> Mr. Watson's real point is that one clamping system is not an answer to
all clamping
> requirements. I agree.
> His closing statement is a little too misleading to the inexperienced
clamp camper though.
> You need to have experience with K-body type clamps and others to know
when/how to use
> them, but in *many* circumstances it is not practical to mix clamp types
without proper
> fixtures. Twisting, racking and clamp distortion can occur more redily by
mixing clamp
> types than by the weight issue, assuming a material strength and thickness
to support the
> weight.
> You need to consider what you'll be clamping and how you'll accomplish the
task before
> assuming that K bodied clamps are either good or bad.
... and we woodworkers sometimes get carried away anal-lyzing basically
simple, intuitive tasks. :)
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"Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 17:07:26 +1200, "Greg Coulter"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Where are the best deals?
> >
> >kiwigreg
> >
>
<<Snip>>.
>
> The advantage to the K bodies is that they square things up for you
> pretty good. The disadvantage is the weight.
>
> I've seen carcases deformed by the weight of too many heavy clamps.
>
> The K bodies are sort of all the rage just now but a collection of
> mixed styles might be more beneficial and cost effective.
>
(While interesting, Tom doesn't answer the OP's question. My answer is that the price
seems to be manufacturer fixed and usually the price differences between retailers is
minimal. I buy K bodies in pairs, rarely more than that at a time. This makes savings
very small.)
Mr. Watson's real point is that one clamping system is not an answer to all clamping
requirements. I agree.
His closing statement is a little too misleading to the inexperienced clamp camper though.
You need to have experience with K-body type clamps and others to know when/how to use
them, but in *many* circumstances it is not practical to mix clamp types without proper
fixtures. Twisting, racking and clamp distortion can occur more redily by mixing clamp
types than by the weight issue, assuming a material strength and thickness to support the
weight.
You need to consider what you'll be clamping and how you'll accomplish the task before
assuming that K bodied clamps are either good or bad.
BTW- welcome back Tom...lol
Myx
Hey Tom, welcome back.
I am planning a built-in cabinet project for my finished attic - something
I've never done or even come close to doing. It would be simple except for
the brilliant thought I came up with - having a swing-out bookcase that
hides a fairly large door that provides access to rafter storage. The
wall/roof has a gabeled profile, so I'm a little unsure how to provide a
hinge support for this type of thing. Looking at your website, I would
wager you've done just about every kind of built-in project - do you know of
any books or websites or other resources that might educate someone like me
with basically no experience on this type of thing?
Thanks for any suggestions or help you can offer.
Mike
"Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Regards,
> Tom.
>
> Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
> tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
> http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1
"Greg Coulter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Where are the best deals?
>
> kiwigreg
>
>
Best deal I know of is Amazon.com' door clamp kit. 2 40" and 2 24" for
139.99. Free shipping and if you buy 2 sets, they'll knock off another
25.00. That's an average of 31.87 per clamp, delivered to your door.
Gary
On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 03:51:32 GMT, "Mike in Mystic"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Thanks, Tom. I just drew up a really terrible sketch in Paint - totally not
>to scale, but it should give a better idea of what I'm trying to do. I'll
>write more of an explanation over in ABPW with the drawing.
>
Mike: I answered this (I hope) over on ABPW.
Regards,
Tom.
Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1
On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 21:59:22 GMT, "Mike in Mystic"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Hey Tom, welcome back.
>
>I am planning a built-in cabinet project for my finished attic - something
>I've never done or even come close to doing. It would be simple except for
>the brilliant thought I came up with - having a swing-out bookcase that
>hides a fairly large door that provides access to rafter storage. The
>wall/roof has a gabeled profile, so I'm a little unsure how to provide a
>hinge support for this type of thing. Looking at your website, I would
>wager you've done just about every kind of built-in project - do you know of
>any books or websites or other resources that might educate someone like me
>with basically no experience on this type of thing?
>
>Thanks for any suggestions or help you can offer.
If you could sketch it up a little bit and put it up on ABPW, I'd be
glad to help you.
Regards,
Tom.
Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1