a minor challenge but i took my time installing a pre-hung door but now i
have two small pieces left that i am unsure about
the 1" x 2" square and 1/8" to 1/4" thick and tapered and they are made
from the same material that the door seals are made of
i am going to look at the door again tomorrow and maybe it will jump out
On Friday, June 5, 2015 at 1:39:14 AM UTC-4, Electric Comet wrote:
> a minor challenge but i took my time installing a pre-hung door but now i
> have two small pieces left that i am unsure about
>
> the 1" x 2" square and 1/8" to 1/4" thick and tapered and they are made
> from the same material that the door seals are made of
>
> i am going to look at the door again tomorrow and maybe it will jump out
Did the time you took include reading the install instructions?
Did the instructions mention these items:
http://www.diydoorstore.com/Universal-2Pkg-Bronze-Jamb-Corner-Seal-Pad-_p_311.html
On Friday, June 5, 2015 at 3:26:29 PM UTC-4, Electric Comet wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Jun 2015 09:13:01 -0500
> -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > Probably corner seals. Bottom left and right between the jam and door
> > sides. Supposed to help keep out water at those two trouble spots.
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> this makes sense
> i think you are right
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> i will have to dry fit and see if i agree with the implementation because
> i cannot see how they would help out much
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> this door also has an adjustable sill which i have never seen
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> i fiddled with it but it makes no sense when it would be used because
> it raises only the part of the sill that the door seals to
Once again, I have to ask:
Did your read the installation instructions? This is from Step 8 of the The=
rmaTru instruction document found at:
http://www.thermatru.com/pdfs/installation/InstallationInstruction.pdf
"Your door unit may have an adjustable threshold cap. When properly adjuste=
d, it should be snug and slightly difficult to pull a dollar bill out from =
under the door when it is fully closed. The dollar bill should be able to b=
e removed without tearing.=20
This check should be performed at each adjustment screw location. After adj=
usting the threshold cap, ensure that the weatherstrip is flush with the to=
p of the threshold cap. Trim as necessary."
> if there's a gap at the bottom then there's a gap at top and seems to
> me that the entire door and frame needs to be adjusted but maybe
> i am missing the point of the adjustable sill
The top of the door is sealed by the weather stripping on the jamb. The doo=
r closes against it, just like on the sides. A slight gap between the top o=
f the door and the part of the jamb that faces downward is not an issue bec=
ause the face of the door is sealed against the jamb's weather stripping.
You can't have that same weather stripping on the bottom because users woul=
d trip over it. The adjustable sill raises the sill up to the bottom of the=
door to seal it, since you can't seal the face against the jamb.
If installed properly, it should only take a slight adjustment, not enough =
to become a tripping hazard.
On Saturday, June 6, 2015 at 2:16:25 PM UTC-4, Electric Comet wrote:
> On Fri, 5 Jun 2015 13:00:12 -0700 (PDT)
> DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote:
>=20
> > You can't have that same weather stripping on the bottom because
> > users would trip over it. The adjustable sill raises the sill up to
> > the bottom of the door to seal it, since you can't seal the face
> > against the jamb.
>=20
> this adds up but here is what interests me
> considering that this is a pre-hung door why have an adjustable sill
> these should always fit perfectly from the factory
In a perfect world, yes. However, most of us don't live in a perfect world.=
In a perfect world, they would state the rough opening measurements, you w=
ould build your opening to those exact specs and the door would fit right i=
n, perfectly square and plumb and level with no need for shims or any adjus=
tments. When has that ever happened?
=20
>=20
> and to further bore the reader
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> i think they just include the adjustable sill because they got them in
> bulk and use them on all their doors
> i.e. all wood, metal, metal skinned, composite, etc.
Really?
The buy them cheap and just put them on every door because they have them? =
Maybe you should check out some other doors. They don't all have adjustable=
sills.=20
From the waudenamillwork.com installation manual quoted below: "Some units =
have an adjustable sill." (Some, not all.)
From midwestmanufacturing.com: "If the unit has an adjustable sill..." (If)
From masonite.com: "Some door units are supplied with adjustable sills." (S=
ome, not all)
I will wager that the better the quality of the door, the higher the odds a=
re that it will have an adjustable sill. It is a useful feature, as explain=
ed below.
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> but this door is metal skinned so it won't expand/contract like an all wo=
od
> door
I don't know where you live, but in my world houses settle and things move.=
Weather conditions can make doors and windows tighter and looser. A perfec=
t seal today doesn't mean a perfect seal tomorrow.
Page 15 of this installation manual ( http://www.waudenamillwork.com/SiteAs=
sets/Documents/WM_Install_ExteriorDoor.pdf ) suggests that you adjust the s=
ill even after the door is hung "plumb, square, true". The adjustable sill =
is not simply provided as a quick fix for a poor installation.=20
"Some units have an adjustable sill. They have adjustment screws in the thr=
eshold. The screws are visible when the door is opened. After the door is h=
ung plumb, square, true, and completely fastened in the rough opening, open=
the door and check fit between threshold and bottom sweep. There should be=
only slight resistance between the door bottom sweep and threshold.
IMPORTANT: Too much pressure against bottom sweep will cause rapid wear. Th=
e goal is to achieve even pressure between the bottom sweep and threshold. =
Too much pressure will shorten the service life of the bottom sweep.=20
Check this adjustment at least twice a year or more often on doors being fr=
equently used."
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> > If installed properly, it should only take a slight adjustment, not
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> if installed properly it shouldn't need any adjustment
> mine needed no adjustment
Maybe not now, maybe not ever. You are lucky to be living in such a perfect=
world.
On 6/5/2015 12:33 AM, Electric Comet wrote:
> a minor challenge but i took my time installing a pre-hung door but now i
> have two small pieces left that i am unsure about
>
> the 1" x 2" square and 1/8" to 1/4" thick and tapered and they are made
> from the same material that the door seals are made of
>
> i am going to look at the door again tomorrow and maybe it will jump out
>
If the door jam is not hung properly these shims are meant to be placed
between the jam and the weather strip. The shim pushes the weather
strip out towards the edge of the door to close any gaps, especially if
you see any sun light when the door is closed.
DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Did the time you took include reading the install instructions?
If it was like most things now-a-days the "instructions" were
a bunch of illustrations that might as well have been Egyptian
hieroglyphics for all the useful instruction they conveyed.
John
On Friday, June 5, 2015 at 9:13:03 AM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote:
> Probably corner seals. Bottom left and right between the jam and door
> sides. Supposed to help keep out water at those two trouble spots.
> -MIKE-
I'm no contractor and it's been a long time since I installed a door & frame. I don't foresee installing one any time soon.
I had never heard of these corner seals. Good to know! Thanks.
I Googled them and watched the first two YouTube videos, only... no further reading. I'm still not sure how to install them. Will study more, later.
Sonny
On Friday, June 5, 2015 at 1:52:38 PM UTC-4, John McCoy wrote:
> DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> > Did the time you took include reading the install instructions?
>
> If it was like most things now-a-days the "instructions" were
> a bunch of illustrations that might as well have been Egyptian
> hieroglyphics for all the useful instruction they conveyed.
>
> John
I guess it depends on the quality of the door you buy. The following doc is similar to the instructions that came with the ThermaTru doors that I installed a few years ago. Step 9 details the installation of their version of the Corner Seal Pads.
http://www.thermatru.com/pdfs/installation/InstallationInstruction.pdf
On 6/6/2015 1:16 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
> On Sat, 06 Jun 2015 09:06:01 -0500
> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>> If the door jam is not hung properly these shims are meant to be
>> placed between the jam and the weather strip. The shim pushes the
>> weather strip out towards the edge of the door to close any gaps,
>> especially if you see any sun light when the door is closed.
>
> i am sticking with the "provide additional water proofing at the base"
> theory because if a pre-hung door is installed wrong it needs to be
> intalled right
Well yes but the vast majority of prehung doors are NOT hung right.
When you get into new home building you see these small wedges used on
multiple locations. If the installer bends the jam too much or don't
shim enough between the rough opening and the jam the jam can bow.
>
> i used plastic shims and lots of sealant and carefully placed wood shims
> around
>
> and i took my time because i really hate re-doing stuff like this
>
On 6/5/15 12:33 AM, Electric Comet wrote:
> a minor challenge but i took my time installing a pre-hung door but
> now i have two small pieces left that i am unsure about
>
> the 1" x 2" square and 1/8" to 1/4" thick and tapered and they are
> made from the same material that the door seals are made of
>
> i am going to look at the door again tomorrow and maybe it will jump
> out
>
Probably corner seals. Bottom left and right between the jam and door
sides. Supposed to help keep out water at those two trouble spots.
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On Fri, 05 Jun 2015 09:13:01 -0500
-MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> Probably corner seals. Bottom left and right between the jam and door
> sides. Supposed to help keep out water at those two trouble spots.
this makes sense
i think you are right
i will have to dry fit and see if i agree with the implementation because
i cannot see how they would help out much
this door also has an adjustable sill which i have never seen
i fiddled with it but it makes no sense when it would be used because
it raises only the part of the sill that the door seals to
if there's a gap at the bottom then there's a gap at top and seems to
me that the entire door and frame needs to be adjusted but maybe
i am missing the point of the adjustable sill
Do they have stickum on them?
I think you describe the insulation seals that the door seals do not
complete, and are attached where there is an air leak.
John
"Electric Comet" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
a minor challenge but i took my time installing a pre-hung door but now i
have two small pieces left that i am unsure about
the 1" x 2" square and 1/8" to 1/4" thick and tapered and they are made
from the same material that the door seals are made of
i am going to look at the door again tomorrow and maybe it will jump out
On Fri, 5 Jun 2015 13:00:12 -0700 (PDT)
DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote:
> You can't have that same weather stripping on the bottom because
> users would trip over it. The adjustable sill raises the sill up to
> the bottom of the door to seal it, since you can't seal the face
> against the jamb.
this adds up but here is what interests me
considering that this is a pre-hung door why have an adjustable sill
these should always fit perfectly from the factory
and to further bore the reader
i think they just include the adjustable sill because they got them in
bulk and use them on all their doors
i.e. all wood, metal, metal skinned, composite, etc.
but this door is metal skinned so it won't expand/contract like an all wood
door
> If installed properly, it should only take a slight adjustment, not
if installed properly it shouldn't need any adjustment
mine needed no adjustment
On Sat, 6 Jun 2015 07:41:41 -0700
"jloomis" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Do they have stickum on them?
yes they do and i didn't notice that until i took them out of the bag
> I think you describe the insulation seals that the door seals do not
> complete, and are attached where there is an air leak.
for a pre-hung door i think it's just to give additional water protection
at the base as someone else said
if your pre-hung door is installed and has air leaks than the install is bad
or the door is bad
On Sat, 06 Jun 2015 09:06:01 -0500
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
> If the door jam is not hung properly these shims are meant to be
> placed between the jam and the weather strip. The shim pushes the
> weather strip out towards the edge of the door to close any gaps,
> especially if you see any sun light when the door is closed.
i am sticking with the "provide additional water proofing at the base"
theory because if a pre-hung door is installed wrong it needs to be
intalled right
i used plastic shims and lots of sealant and carefully placed wood shims
around
and i took my time because i really hate re-doing stuff like this
Electric Comet wrote:
> On Fri, 5 Jun 2015 13:00:12 -0700 (PDT)
> DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> You can't have that same weather stripping on the bottom because
>> users would trip over it. The adjustable sill raises the sill up to
>> the bottom of the door to seal it, since you can't seal the face
>> against the jamb.
>
> this adds up but here is what interests me
> considering that this is a pre-hung door why have an adjustable sill
> these should always fit perfectly from the factory
They would if they hung in a perfectly square opening, and were perfectly
hung - but that's never the case. So - the answer is that they make these
adjustments to compensate for imperfect intallations.
>
> and to further bore the reader
>
> i think they just include the adjustable sill because they got them in
> bulk and use them on all their doors
> i.e. all wood, metal, metal skinned, composite, etc.
You can think that if you wish, but it's wrong and it only shows that you've
not hung many doors and do not understand the whole concept. That's no big
deal - but it's kind of foolish to suggest the manufacturers do this for a
profit only motive.
>
> but this door is metal skinned so it won't expand/contract like an
> all wood door
You just keep telling yourself that.
>
>> If installed properly, it should only take a slight adjustment, not
>
> if installed properly it shouldn't need any adjustment
> mine needed no adjustment
Are you sure?
--
-Mike-
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